[vintagvw] Re: Winter modifications and necessities.
I appreciate the low budget tips. I am planning on utilizing this one a lot. I need a new front apron, and I figure towels placed appropriately will go a long way to keeping a bit of the cold out. Kyle On Wednesday, October 30, 2013, Gerald Livingston wrote: The heat in a beetle only has to travel about 2 feet to get inside the cab. My '69 had air leaks all over the place but the heat would melt anything left on the rear floor and I had the sneakers to prove it. My problem was that I had a bent boot lid. So, all the hair was burned off the back of my calves but I had to wear HEAVY gloves to keep my fingers from getting frostbitten from the cold air blowing through the dash at 75 or 80mph. If your boot leaks any air at all then get a couple of heavy moving blankets to line it during the winter. G2 On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:34:53 -0400 Dan Moy sole...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Here is my check list: (1) Make sure that the carburetor risers are clean (2) Clean and adjust your choke (3) Insure that the temperature control is working (the bellows underneath the engine that controls the cooling flaps) (4) Use the recommended oil viscosity for winter use (5) Check the heater boxes and channels, I have had many bugs and when the system is in order the car will keep you warm enough where you need to open the window in the winter. (6) RainX on the windshield (7) New windshield wipers I will not make oil recommendations other than what I believe some experts have already stated as they have done testing regarding oil and our air cooled engines and transmissions: aircooledtechnology, lnengineering, aircooled.net, lowbudget.com, geneberg On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Kyle 01ksda...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: I'm in Central Indiana. We're looking at a bad winter here. Usually means at least a week of subzero temperatures. Also, snow and ice aplenty, if the farmers almanac can be trusted. Oh yeah, believe I'm running the stock solex 30 pict 2 carb. Kyle -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/vintagvw/pI71pQCT9vc/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:;. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.comjavascript:; . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[vintagvw] Polishes and waxes
Volks, My bug got new paint about 5 years ago; it's in excellent shape. I keep the car in a carport, with a soft car cover much of the time. I've kept a good quality new-car wax on it -- most recently Meguire's, and before that Turtle Wax brand new-car wax (not their abrasive polish). Haven't used a polish yet. So this week when my bottle of Meguire's ran out, I bought some Mother's California Gold Pure Carnauba Wax. (Step 3, nonabrasive). I didn't use their Step 1 Cleaner or Step 2 Sealer as I didn't think I need them. I like the company because they support regional VW shows with handouts, advertising, and promotional stuff (very clever do not touch signs, etc.), so thought I'd buy their product. I'm disappointed, but don't know whether I've done something wrong, or whether it's the product's fault. I followed directions carefully (I've also done this a time or two) and buffed and rubbed everything by hand. The finish is hazy, streaky, and instantly shows every fingerprint and touch. The wax -- even thoroughly dried and wiped -- is soft and smudges easily. I've never had this problem with Turtle Wax brand or Meguire's brand products. What are your observations? Can you recommend any good surface protection for a show car that will keep rain beading and look good for a full season? I'm in a hot Southern climate that still hits single digits in the wintertime. Bert Knupp __n|_ °(_)º (ô\_|_/ô) U° °U Polizeikäfer '70 -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [vintagvw] Polishes and waxes
Bert, A few questions: (1) What color is your car? (2) When you touch the pain with a clean hand does the surface feel very smooth? Here is what I do: If the paint is rough to your touch I do the following after the car has been thoroughly cleaned (and not dried, I leave the car wet) if not clean an wax (1) Clay Bar (2) If the paint is scratched machine poslish with 3M Finesse-it (3) Machine Polish with 3M Imperial hand glaze Clean the car again to remove all polish residue and dry For wax my recommendations: (1) For light colored cars Liquid Glass easy to apply and remove by hand and lasts a long time (2) For dark colored cars or black Gliptone Wet Coat /w Carnauba Show Gloss this is one of the few that do not leave streaks but it is important to do small areas at a time and use a clean cloth to remove. Dan-out On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Kirin Jacobsen kirinjacob...@gmail.comwrote: Hey Bert, I'm curious did you prep the cars surface properly by removing the old waxes? Personally I'm not a big Detailing guy although my bug in its latest iteration is far too clean for the likes of me. I have heard good things about Griots garage products. Also there is a series on youtube called #driveclean that is run by a passionate New Yorker who seems to know his stuff. Personally with Mothers Products I have gone through all their steps(And claybar too) and been happy with the finish. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Bert Knupp bert.kn...@comcast.netwrote: Volks, My bug got new paint about 5 years ago; it's in excellent shape. I keep the car in a carport, with a soft car cover much of the time. I've kept a good quality new-car wax on it -- most recently Meguire's, and before that Turtle Wax brand new-car wax (not their abrasive polish). Haven't used a polish yet. So this week when my bottle of Meguire's ran out, I bought some Mother's California Gold Pure Carnauba Wax. (Step 3, nonabrasive). I didn't use their Step 1 Cleaner or Step 2 Sealer as I didn't think I need them. I like the company because they support regional VW shows with handouts, advertising, and promotional stuff (very clever do not touch signs, etc.), so thought I'd buy their product. I'm disappointed, but don't know whether I've done something wrong, or whether it's the product's fault. I followed directions carefully (I've also done this a time or two) and buffed and rubbed everything by hand. The finish is hazy, streaky, and instantly shows every fingerprint and touch. The wax -- even thoroughly dried and wiped -- is soft and smudges easily. I've never had this problem with Turtle Wax brand or Meguire's brand products. What are your observations? Can you recommend any good surface protection for a show car that will keep rain beading and look good for a full season? I'm in a hot Southern climate that still hits single digits in the wintertime. Bert Knupp __n|_ °(_)º (ô\_|_/ô) U° °U Polizeikäfer '70 -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [vintagvw] Polishes and waxes
Hey Bert, unless you have any scratches or oxidization I don't think abrasive is the way to go with your car. Claybar removes stuck on stuff on your paint. Its literally a bar of clay that you rub across your paints finish with a lubricant to pick up the stuck on tar, bird droppings whatever is stuck on. Before I wax my car I usually use dish soap which should remove all residual waxes(Car wash soap won't remove wax). I only dish soap when I want to remove wax and prep the finish. Otherwise Mothers car wash soap is what I use.. Plus it smells nice! To me it sounds like you might be dealing with residual wax. But that's just my take on it. -Kirin On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Bert Knupp bert.kn...@comcast.net wrote: Volks, Okay, I’m getting some insights. To answer some of Dan and Kirin’s questions: =No, I didn’t remove any old wax, though it was about 7 months old and no longer beading water – at least, not on the roof or front hood. I waxed it when it was freshly washed but dry. =I’m not familiar with Claybar. I’ll have to look around. My FLAPS doesn’t stock it, or I’ve just not noticed the brand. =My car is Fir Green with Traffic White fenders (German RAL police colors as of 1970). =The finish feels smooth and does not “pull” as I apply the wax. As I said, it has also never had an abrasive polish. Maybe its time is coming for a mild polish. =I’m listening to you guys’ advice and “pondering these things in my heart.” I might re-do the project when the weather clears up. From: vintagvw@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintagvw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Moy Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:07 PM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [vintagvw] Polishes and waxes Bert, A few questions: (1) What color is your car? (2) When you touch the paint with a clean hand does the surface feel very smooth? Here is what I do: If the paint is rough to your touch I do the following after the car has been thoroughly cleaned (and not dried, I leave the car wet) if not clean an wax (1) Clay Bar (2) If the paint is scratched machine poslish with 3M Finesse-it (3) Machine Polish with 3M Imperial hand glaze Clean the car again to remove all polish residue and dry For wax my recommendations: (1) For light colored cars Liquid Glass easy to apply and remove by hand and lasts a long time (2) For dark colored cars or black Gliptone Wet Coat /w Carnauba Show Gloss this is one of the few that do not leave streaks but it is important to do small areas at a time and use a clean cloth to remove. Dan-out On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Kirin Jacobsen kirinjacob...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Bert, I'm curious did you prep the cars surface properly by removing the old waxes? Personally I'm not a big Detailing guy although my bug in its latest iteration is far too clean for the likes of me. I have heard good things about Griots garage products. Also there is a series on youtube called #driveclean that is run by a passionate New Yorker who seems to know his stuff. Personally with Mothers Products I have gone through all their steps(And claybar too) and been happy with the finish. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Bert Knupp bert.kn...@comcast.net wrote: Volks, My bug got new paint about 5 years ago; it's in excellent shape. I keep the car in a carport, with a soft car cover much of the time. I've kept a good quality new-car wax on it -- most recently Meguire's, and before that Turtle Wax brand new-car wax (not their abrasive polish). Haven't used a polish yet. So this week when my bottle of Meguire's ran out, I bought some Mother's California Gold Pure Carnauba Wax. (Step 3, nonabrasive). I didn't use their Step 1 Cleaner or Step 2 Sealer as I didn't think I need them. I like the company because they support regional VW shows with handouts, advertising, and promotional stuff (very clever do not touch signs, etc.), so thought I'd buy their product. I'm disappointed, but don't know whether I've done something wrong, or whether it's the product's fault. I followed directions carefully (I've also done this a time or two) and buffed and rubbed everything by hand. The finish is hazy, streaky, and instantly shows every fingerprint and touch. The wax -- even thoroughly dried and wiped -- is soft and smudges easily. I've never had this problem with Turtle Wax brand or Meguire's brand products. What are your observations? Can you recommend any good surface protection for a show car that will keep rain beading and look good for a full season? I'm in a hot Southern climate that still hits single digits in the wintertime. Bert Knupp __n|_ °(_)º (ô\_|_/ô) U° °U Polizeikäfer '70 -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received
Re: [vintagvw] Polishes and waxes
http://www.mothers.com/02_products/07240.html That is what I use ... On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Dan Moy sole...@gmail.com wrote: Cool car, I would use the Liquid Glass on the green. Clay bar https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=lai=CD7DffU9xUprBNJC7ggfU74GYCPbNzt4DtvCe-UueiJn23gEICRAIIN7Nzx4oClCjzISeB2DJxqmLwKTYD6ABwu_A5APIAQeqBCZP0HP3oxr68LZb1Z54p60s9Ito399N34DH6J_FoLtLMb3nXbg3JsAFBaAGJoAHppC_G5AHAeAS4KuQ9cqCsNBksig=AOD64_0bmv9-rrXFQ0esQTJKtFy9BIBevgctype=5ved=0CKABENgpMAcadurl=http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_x_7110070-P_x_x%3Fcm_mmc%3DACQ-_-Google-_-GPLA-_-7110070%26ci_src%3D17588969%26ci_sku%3D7110070%26ci_gpa%3Dpla%26ci_kw%3D is a generic name for a bunch of products out there, you might want to try it as it is relatively painless and produces great results just make sure the car is super wet On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Bert Knupp bert.kn...@comcast.netwrote: Volks, Okay, I’m getting some insights. To answer some of Dan and Kirin’s questions: =No, I didn’t remove any old wax, though it was about 7 months old and no longer beading water – at least, not on the roof or front hood. I waxed it when it was freshly washed but dry. =I’m not familiar with Claybar. I’ll have to look around. My FLAPS doesn’t stock it, or I’ve just not noticed the brand. =My car is Fir Green with Traffic White fenders (German RAL police colors as of 1970). =The finish feels smooth and does not “pull” as I apply the wax. As I said, it has also never had an abrasive polish. Maybe its time is coming for a mild polish. =I’m listening to you guys’ advice and “pondering these things in my heart.” I might re-do the project when the weather clears up. From: vintagvw@googlegroups.com [mailto:vintagvw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Moy Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:07 PM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [vintagvw] Polishes and waxes Bert, A few questions: (1) What color is your car? (2) When you touch the paint with a clean hand does the surface feel very smooth? Here is what I do: If the paint is rough to your touch I do the following after the car has been thoroughly cleaned (and not dried, I leave the car wet) if not clean an wax (1) Clay Bar (2) If the paint is scratched machine poslish with 3M Finesse-it (3) Machine Polish with 3M Imperial hand glaze Clean the car again to remove all polish residue and dry For wax my recommendations: (1) For light colored cars Liquid Glass easy to apply and remove by hand and lasts a long time (2) For dark colored cars or black Gliptone Wet Coat /w Carnauba Show Gloss this is one of the few that do not leave streaks but it is important to do small areas at a time and use a clean cloth to remove. Dan-out On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Kirin Jacobsen kirinjacob...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Bert, I'm curious did you prep the cars surface properly by removing the old waxes? Personally I'm not a big Detailing guy although my bug in its latest iteration is far too clean for the likes of me. I have heard good things about Griots garage products. Also there is a series on youtube called #driveclean that is run by a passionate New Yorker who seems to know his stuff. Personally with Mothers Products I have gone through all their steps(And claybar too) and been happy with the finish. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Bert Knupp bert.kn...@comcast.net wrote: Volks, My bug got new paint about 5 years ago; it's in excellent shape. I keep the car in a carport, with a soft car cover much of the time. I've kept a good quality new-car wax on it -- most recently Meguire's, and before that Turtle Wax brand new-car wax (not their abrasive polish). Haven't used a polish yet. So this week when my bottle of Meguire's ran out, I bought some Mother's California Gold Pure Carnauba Wax. (Step 3, nonabrasive). I didn't use their Step 1 Cleaner or Step 2 Sealer as I didn't think I need them. I like the company because they support regional VW shows with handouts, advertising, and promotional stuff (very clever do not touch signs, etc.), so thought I'd buy their product. I'm disappointed, but don't know whether I've done something wrong, or whether it's the product's fault. I followed directions carefully (I've also done this a time or two) and buffed and rubbed everything by hand. The finish is hazy, streaky, and instantly shows every fingerprint and touch. The wax -- even thoroughly dried and wiped -- is soft and smudges easily. I've never had this problem with Turtle Wax brand or Meguire's brand products. What are your observations? Can you recommend any good surface protection for a show car that will keep rain beading and look good for a full season? I'm in a hot Southern climate that still hits single digits in the wintertime. Bert Knupp __n|_ °(_)º (ô\_|_/ô) U° °U Polizeikäfer '70
Re: [vintagvw] Re: Winter modifications and necessities.
No towels unless you're planning on using so many you can never shower. I'm in SE Texas and the wind is **COLD** when at commuting speeds. http://www.harborfreight.com/40-inch-x-72-inch-movers-blanket-47262.html And if that doesn't stop it all then break out the duct tape and cover leaks from inside the cab. You can use Goo Gone to clean up when the sun comes out again. G2 On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:39:53 -0400 Kyle Davis 01ksda...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate the low budget tips. I am planning on utilizing this one a lot. I need a new front apron, and I figure towels placed appropriately will go a long way to keeping a bit of the cold out. Kyle On Wednesday, October 30, 2013, Gerald Livingston wrote: The heat in a beetle only has to travel about 2 feet to get inside the cab. My '69 had air leaks all over the place but the heat would melt anything left on the rear floor and I had the sneakers to prove it. My problem was that I had a bent boot lid. So, all the hair was burned off the back of my calves but I had to wear HEAVY gloves to keep my fingers from getting frostbitten from the cold air blowing through the dash at 75 or 80mph. If your boot leaks any air at all then get a couple of heavy moving blankets to line it during the winter. G2 On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:34:53 -0400 Dan Moy sole...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Here is my check list: (1) Make sure that the carburetor risers are clean (2) Clean and adjust your choke (3) Insure that the temperature control is working (the bellows underneath the engine that controls the cooling flaps) (4) Use the recommended oil viscosity for winter use (5) Check the heater boxes and channels, I have had many bugs and when the system is in order the car will keep you warm enough where you need to open the window in the winter. (6) RainX on the windshield (7) New windshield wipers I will not make oil recommendations other than what I believe some experts have already stated as they have done testing regarding oil and our air cooled engines and transmissions: aircooledtechnology, lnengineering, aircooled.net, lowbudget.com, geneberg On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Kyle 01ksda...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: I'm in Central Indiana. We're looking at a bad winter here. Usually means at least a week of subzero temperatures. Also, snow and ice aplenty, if the farmers almanac can be trusted. Oh yeah, believe I'm running the stock solex 30 pict 2 carb. Kyle -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/vintagvw/pI71pQCT9vc/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:;. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.comjavascript:; . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [vintagvw] Polishes and waxes
Kirin, Zaino brothers.period this stuff is the schnitz! First time I used it, I tried to look at the flaws in the paint and literally could not see them...mostly on base/clearcoat. Not cheap, but worth a try...and I havetried Mothers and many others including meguars(sp)...etc. Cheers, dave On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: Hey Bert, I'm curious did you prep the cars surface properly by removing the old waxes? Personally I'm not a big Detailing guy although my bug in its latest iteration is far too clean for the likes of me. I have heard good things about Griots garage products. Also there is a series on youtube called #driveclean that is run by a passionate New Yorker who seems to know his stuff. Personally with Mothers Products I have gone through all their steps(And claybar too) and been happy with the finish. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Bert Knupp bert.kn...@comcast.net wrote: Volks, My bug got new paint about 5 years ago; it's in excellent shape. I keep the car in a carport, with a soft car cover much of the time. I've kept a good quality new-car wax on it -- most recently Meguire's, and before that Turtle Wax brand new-car wax (not their abrasive polish). Haven't used a polish yet. So this week when my bottle of Meguire's ran out, I bought some Mother's California Gold Pure Carnauba Wax. (Step 3, nonabrasive). I didn't use their Step 1 Cleaner or Step 2 Sealer as I didn't think I need them. I like the company because they support regional VW shows with handouts, advertising, and promotional stuff (very clever do not touch signs, etc.), so thought I'd buy their product. I'm disappointed, but don't know whether I've done something wrong, or whether it's the product's fault. I followed directions carefully (I've also done this a time or two) and buffed and rubbed everything by hand. The finish is hazy, streaky, and instantly shows every fingerprint and touch. The wax -- even thoroughly dried and wiped -- is soft and smudges easily. I've never had this problem with Turtle Wax brand or Meguire's brand products. What are your observations? Can you recommend any good surface protection for a show car that will keep rain beading and look good for a full season? I'm in a hot Southern climate that still hits single digits in the wintertime. Bert Knupp __n|_ °(_)º (ô\_|_/ô) U° °U Polizeikäfer '70 -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
