RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Todd,

When I open my Honeywell Home app I have a “Menu: button at the very top left.
If I double tap on it and then do a 4-finger tap near the bottom of the screen 
it takes me all the way down to “Logout”, if I swipe back once to the left I’m 
on a link “About the app”, double tap on that and do another 4-finger tap near 
the bottom of the screen and Voiceover jumps directly to the last item on the 
screen which is the version.

My version is 4.2.0 (371)

As for the current indoor temperature, when I first open the app and I have the 
menu button at the top left, I have an “Add new device” button as the last 
element on that screen and again a 4-finger single tap in the bottom half of 
the screen will take me there. Swiping back once to the left currently tells me 
“21.5 ring above inside”. Note that the “ring above” is a symbol and visually 
looks like the degrees symbol, but Voiceover in this instance speaks it as 
“ring above”.
Here is a full description of the screen:

Top line underneath the status bar: Menu button on the left, name of your home 
in the middle as a heading and “Weather Forecast” button at the top right
Underneath this: “My Thermostat” on the left, double tapping on that will open 
a new screen”,, next in the middle “Temperature set to 16.0 degrees Celsius, 
double tap to increase button” and on the right “Set temperature is 16.0 
degrees Celsius”
Underneath that on the left: “21.5 ring above inside”, the current room 
temperature measured by the thermostat and I think again underneath that (have 
to ask somebody to actually describe it) is the Add new device button.

Regards,
Sieghard

 On Behalf Of Todd W
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

Hi Sieghard,

Looks like my app is up to date from the app store.  I can’t find a version 
number anywhere in the app itself to confirm, though and my inside temp still 
doesn’t speak.  Knowing that yours does is hopeful...maybe it’ll show up soon 
in mine.

Todd


On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:13 PM Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
As Todd said, you may need to run a completely new wire from your furnace to 
where the thermostat goes if your existing wire doesn’t have the power lead 
which a regular thermostat does not require. You won’t know until you take off 
the existing thermostat and check.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:56 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

Hi Bill,
Matching wiring colors is not a problem.  I have sighted friends who can be 
present to match the colors for me when I do the install, but other than 
matching the colors of the four wires, would there be any other challenges in 
the installation itself?  I understand that I may need sighted help connecting 
it to my network, which should not be a problem.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Bill 
Holton
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

You will have to match wiring colors.  You will also need sighted help to 
connect the app, as I recall it displays an icon on the thermostat screen you 
have to match.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

Hi Sieghard,
How easy is it to install this smart thermostat?  I am usually Okay with 
installing lights and such things, but I never installed thermostats.  Do I 
need an electrician to install it or you think I can do it myself?
Cheers,

Cris

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating

The Honeywell app works fine and is very accessible.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Gordan 
Radic
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: HoneyWell Smart Thermostats, was: Thermostat for Gas Heating


Hi, Sieghard!

Can you write a line or two about HoneyWell accessibility? I already found some 
HW products for European market, T6 is indeed among them. Just need 
accessibility confirmation.

Thanks!



S poštovanjem



Gordan Radić
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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[lenron brown]

Plus 1 to what you just said Sieghard. The IPhone is good for
somethings, but I still love having my computers for many things.

On 8/2/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Reggie,
>
> Whether you can get buy with only an iPhone you should know and it almost
> sounds like you already answered it since you said you never use your Mac
> Mini.
> I personally don't think an iPad will give you that much more in terms of
> useability, definitely it would for a sighted person or somebpdy with
> partial vision which is still useful.
> An Apple Watch is primarily designed to be a health/fitness device, yes it
> gives you notifications and you can even make phone calls with it, sent a
> brief, already provided answer to a text message or use it for Apple pay,
> but I doubt you would find yourself trying to send lengthy messages and so
> on. If you have home automation devices it can also be useful.
> For me personally a PC is essential, for one thing I have my retail business
> and need to use Excel on a daily bases as well as my Windows-based point of
> sale software, but I know even if I were retired and would primarily do web
> browsing, emails and so on I would not want to miss a PC. I have been using
> an iPhone for almost 10 years now and consider myself a fairly advanced
> user, I love how easy it is to do certain things with certain apps like
> Sonos for example, maybe quickly check my bank balance or the weather etc.,
> but I can't stand the inefficiency of composing any sort of longer text
> whether it's an email, writing a long note, a letter and so on let alone
> trying to use a spreadsheet which many of us find useful even for personal
> applications. Yes, I can use a bluetooth keyboard, but if I use a keyboard
> why on earth would I not want to use a laptop or desktop with Windows and
> Jaws where writing and editing text is so so easy. Also, I can almost
> guaranty that I would leave very profficient iOS users in the dust when it
> comes to web browsing, maybe filling out some online form, doing my online
> banking etc.'
> If you have time and you don't mind the inefficiency and if it doesn't drive
> you nuts then maybe an iPhone is OK, but there is a reason why people like
> myself, Jonathan Mosen and many others who work or want to be efficient and
> fast use a computer. I have not touched on the issue of costand I'm sure
> somebody will point out how expensive Jaws is and all that. Yes, if you have
> to buy it for the first time it is expensive, but if you own it and have
> kept it up-to-date then I don't consider $120 every two years for a software
> maintenance agreement expensive, it is $5/month and if it is not money you
> want to spend then you can always learn/use NVDA. Apparently Narrator is
> also getting another big boost with the Windows 10 fall update and it is
> quickly becoming a viable option for a basic user just as Voiceover is on
> the Mac, all you have to do is press Control+Windows Key+Enter and it starts
> up.
> Ultimately everybody has to choose what works for them and while asking what
> you asked is totally OK and it will result in different people giving you
> different opinions you are in the end the best judge of what works for you.
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> regina alvarado
> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 2:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: what to replace a couple devices with
>
> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for
> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL.
>
> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a
> computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I
> decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another
> computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I
> consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most
> interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. Thanks for any
> thoughts.
>
>
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet
> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all
> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits
> of a broken heart." So God made a dog.
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RE: what to replace a couple devices with

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Reggie,

Whether you can get buy with only an iPhone you should know and it almost 
sounds like you already answered it since you said you never use your Mac Mini.
I personally don't think an iPad will give you that much more in terms of 
useability, definitely it would for a sighted person or somebpdy with partial 
vision which is still useful.
An Apple Watch is primarily designed to be a health/fitness device, yes it 
gives you notifications and you can even make phone calls with it, sent a 
brief, already provided answer to a text message or use it for Apple pay, but I 
doubt you would find yourself trying to send lengthy messages and so on. If you 
have home automation devices it can also be useful.
For me personally a PC is essential, for one thing I have my retail business 
and need to use Excel on a daily bases as well as my Windows-based point of 
sale software, but I know even if I were retired and would primarily do web 
browsing, emails and so on I would not want to miss a PC. I have been using an 
iPhone for almost 10 years now and consider myself a fairly advanced user, I 
love how easy it is to do certain things with certain apps like Sonos for 
example, maybe quickly check my bank balance or the weather etc., but I can't 
stand the inefficiency of composing any sort of longer text whether it's an 
email, writing a long note, a letter and so on let alone trying to use a 
spreadsheet which many of us find useful even for personal applications. Yes, I 
can use a bluetooth keyboard, but if I use a keyboard why on earth would I not 
want to use a laptop or desktop with Windows and Jaws where writing and editing 
text is so so easy. Also, I can almost guaranty that I would leave very 
profficient iOS users in the dust when it comes to web browsing, maybe filling 
out some online form, doing my online banking etc.'
If you have time and you don't mind the inefficiency and if it doesn't drive 
you nuts then maybe an iPhone is OK, but there is a reason why people like 
myself, Jonathan Mosen and many others who work or want to be efficient and 
fast use a computer. I have not touched on the issue of costand I'm sure 
somebody will point out how expensive Jaws is and all that. Yes, if you have to 
buy it for the first time it is expensive, but if you own it and have kept it 
up-to-date then I don't consider $120 every two years for a software 
maintenance agreement expensive, it is $5/month and if it is not money you want 
to spend then you can always learn/use NVDA. Apparently Narrator is also 
getting another big boost with the Windows 10 fall update and it is quickly 
becoming a viable option for a basic user just as Voiceover is on the Mac, all 
you have to do is press Control+Windows Key+Enter and it starts up.
Ultimately everybody has to choose what works for them and while asking what 
you asked is totally OK and it will result in different people giving you 
different opinions you are in the end the best judge of what works for you.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: what to replace a couple devices with

I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL. 

I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I decided 
to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another computer, 
which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I consider; an Apple 
watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most interested in a laptop if a 
computer with a small screen. Thanks for any thoughts. 


Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog.

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Re: Quirk with Bank of America app

[Teresa Christian]

I also use the B of A app. I don't have investments so haven't
experienced what you are saying on those pages.
I have, however, experienced something similar on  the pages to pay
bills and to make transfers. Mostly towards the bottom of the page
when I'm trying to get to the next step or done. I didn't find it a
huge annoiance, I was just glad to be able to get to it at all without
a lot of trouble. This is probably not what you wanted to hear, but
that is what I have noticed, as you said, for a while.
Teresa☺


On 8/1/18, R Van Lant  wrote:
> Ok, thanks.  I will report the annoyance to B of A.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 9:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Quirk with Bank of America app
>
> Yes, I can confirm this. And I reported it to Bank of America and they are
> supposedly looking into resolving it. I would recommend you do the same.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 30, 2018, at 11:29 PM, R Van Lant
> mailto:vanlant2...@msn.com>> wrote:
> I only go into my Bank of America app once or twice a month, so I don’t know
> exactly when this started, but I’m a bit annoyed with a change within the
> last few months and want to know if anyone has seen this.  On at least two
> screens, I cannot explore the screen by touch.  I literally have to start at
> the very top and flick through every line to find a button or read
> information on the screen.  The screens where I noticed it today is on the
> screen when I went to make a payment and was entering the information, the
> subsequent screen when I got confirmation of my payment and was looking for
> the done button to go back to the home screen, and on the deal details
> screen of my Bank AmeriDeals.  On the Deals tab, I can explore the deals by
> touch, but as soon as I go to read the details of a given deal, I have to
> find a place at the very top or very bottom where I hear a click, then I can
> flick left or right to read the information.
>
> This feels like an accessibility annoyance to me for sure, although at least
> I can read the information.  Anyone else seen this?  I’ll send in some
> feedback to Bank of America.
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RE: Quirk with Bank of America app

[R Van Lant]

Ok, thanks.  I will report the annoyance to B of A.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Quirk with Bank of America app

Yes, I can confirm this. And I reported it to Bank of America and they are 
supposedly looking into resolving it. I would recommend you do the same.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 30, 2018, at 11:29 PM, R Van Lant 
mailto:vanlant2...@msn.com>> wrote:
I only go into my Bank of America app once or twice a month, so I don’t know 
exactly when this started, but I’m a bit annoyed with a change within the last 
few months and want to know if anyone has seen this.  On at least two screens, 
I cannot explore the screen by touch.  I literally have to start at the very 
top and flick through every line to find a button or read information on the 
screen.  The screens where I noticed it today is on the screen when I went to 
make a payment and was entering the information, the subsequent screen when I 
got confirmation of my payment and was looking for the done button to go back 
to the home screen, and on the deal details screen of my Bank AmeriDeals.  On 
the Deals tab, I can explore the deals by touch, but as soon as I go to read 
the details of a given deal, I have to find a place at the very top or very 
bottom where I hear a click, then I can flick left or right to read the 
information.

This feels like an accessibility annoyance to me for sure, although at least I 
can read the information.  Anyone else seen this?  I’ll send in some feedback 
to Bank of America.
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RE: accessible apps for flights?

[R Van Lant]

I mainly fly on Southwest.  The app is quite accessible for finding flights, 
but I found the area where you fill in the passenger information horrible.  
Knowing that Southwest agents are very willing to help over  the phone, I would 
likely look for flights on the app, then call to book them.  The website used 
to work for me, but something changed and I was recently having a really hard 
time looking through flight options, which is why I went to the app.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 8:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: accessible apps for flights?
Importance: High

hello all,
does anyone know of any fully voiceOver accessible apps for finding, booking, 
and if possible checking in for flights?
I have tried a few, but haven't found any really accessible ones yet.
I will almost certainly mainly be using it for flights with in europe, so am 
not really bothered about long hall stuff, but if possible, would like to have 
the following features available to me.
1, a nearest, or favourite airports feature, so that it would for example, show 
me flights from say, stansted, luton, or birmingham, before showing me ones 
from say gatwick.
and 2, a airline and/or airport blacklist feature, that I could use for say 
airlines where I have experienced particularly rubbish customer services, or 
airports with particularly rubbish assistance.

I hope I'm not asking too much.

Simon


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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[Mary Otten]

Well, Apple laptops, the current ones that is the MacBook pros, are expensive. 
You can certainly still get a MacBook Air, and there are rumors that that line 
might be refreshed this year. I don’t like the keyboard that they’re using 
these days. I like the one on the air OK. My husband has an old one. But those 
new keyboards are just not for me. So if your keyboard picky person like I am, 
you might want to check into that I was a Windows user for many many years. 
Bottom Mac in 2009, and kept my windows XP machine for things like I’m bossing 
braille I’m scanning and reading PDF files. I use the Mac, and was hoping that 
overtime, I would see improvements in certain things like wordprocessing and 
such. But last year, I bought a Windows machine, because I need to emboss 
braille and read PDF files including tables with links that are accessible. I 
don’t know if you have ever used windows, and if you haven’t, that was probably 
a road you don’t want to walk down, especially if things like PDF files are not 
a big part of what you need to deal with. I got frustrated with my Mac, because 
of safari being busy. A lot. I have 16 gigs of RAM in the Mac Mini, so there 
shouldn’t be any excuse for that kind of nonsense. Are use my phone for most 
things. I would love something portable. I have an iPad mini 2, which I did try 
in the past with a Bluetooth keyboard, and suffered from too many freezeups for 
it to be a reliable system. Taking notes and having your keyboard freezape are 
not a good combination. That problem could very well have been solved by now.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2018, at 5:06 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good questions Mary. I partly cannot figure out how to interact with my mini, 
> but most of all I would be stuck at my desk. It is also a 2015 Mini using an 
> old television for a monitor. I have only 4 gigs so I am not able to upgrade, 
> told you need 8 at least. If I could find someone to set it up so I could 
> just get onto it and learn I don't need it for heavy computing. However, 
> nobody in my family knows Apple. I was thinking if it was a laptop I wouldn't 
> have to go through a whole lot of gyrations just to use it since it would be 
> all compact. It frustrates me also because it doesn't talk on its own but 
> needs a monitor and/or headphones. So, yes, just frustrated with it. I agree, 
> though. There are just times when a computer can be valuable to have. Oh yes, 
> my Mini also will drive me to drink continually screwing up my desktop 
> wanting to move from Sierra. 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of 
> a broken heart." So God made a dog.
> 
> 
> On Aug 1, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> The only thing I use a computer for is to print my paystub‘s. Our use of my 
> phone, Apple Watch, and iPad for all my other needs. Hope this helps.
> Jenn
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2018, at 3:05 PM, regina alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
>> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL. 
>> 
>> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
>> computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I 
>> decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another 
>> computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I 
>> consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most 
>> interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. Thanks for any 
>> thoughts. 
>> 
>> 
>> Reggie and Lex
>> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
>> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
>> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits 
>> of a broken heart." So God made a dog.
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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[Esther Levegnale]

Hi, All!

This is quite an interesting thread.  I use my iPhone 7+ for just about 
everything—from purchasing things, ordering groceries, and the like.  I have a 
Dell computer which I bought in 2011 and the only thing I do with that is do 
word documents and print them on my Braille Blazer—yes, you read this 
correctly—my Braille Blazer originally from Blazie Engineering.  It’s a 
dinosaur but it still works like a charm.  I type readings for church that 
people dictate to me on my computer, then use my Duxbury Braille translation 
program and print them out on my Blazer.  When that quits, I’ll probably write 
my dictated material on my Focus 40 Blue and read them that way but for now, my 
system works for me very adequately.  

Anyway, that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it!  ☺️ 

Esther Levegnale

Sent From Esther’s Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Aug 1, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> The only thing I use a computer for is to print my paystub‘s. Our use of my 
> phone, Apple Watch, and iPad for all my other needs. Hope this helps.
> Jenn
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2018, at 3:05 PM, regina alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
>> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL. 
>> 
>> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
>> computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I 
>> decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another 
>> computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I 
>> consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most 
>> interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. Thanks for any 
>> thoughts. 
>> 
>> 
>> Reggie and Lex
>> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
>> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
>> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits 
>> of a broken heart." So God made a dog.
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RE: what to replace a couple devices with

[Carolyn Arnold]

Jim used to have a TV for a monitor, but it died. It was about ten years old. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Good questions Mary. I partly cannot figure out how to interact with my mini, 
but most of all I would be stuck at my desk. It is also a 2015 Mini using an 
old television for a monitor. I have only 4 gigs so I am not able to upgrade, 
told you need 8 at least. If I could find someone to set it up so I could just 
get onto it and learn I don't need it for heavy computing. However, nobody in 
my family knows Apple. I was thinking if it was a laptop I wouldn't have to go 
through a whole lot of gyrations just to use it since it would be all compact. 
It frustrates me also because it doesn't talk on its own but needs a monitor 
and/or headphones. So, yes, just frustrated with it. I agree, though. There are 
just times when a computer can be valuable to have. Oh yes, my Mini also will 
drive me to drink continually screwing up my desktop wanting to move from 
Sierra. 

Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog.


On Aug 1, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:

Hi,
The only thing I use a computer for is to print my paystub‘s. Our use of my 
phone, Apple Watch, and iPad for all my other needs. Hope this helps.
Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Aug 1, 2018, at 3:05 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 
> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL. 
> 
> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
> computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I 
> decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another 
> computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I 
> consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most 
> interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. Thanks for any 
> thoughts. 
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of 
> a broken heart." So God made a dog.
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RE: what to replace a couple devices with

[Carolyn Arnold]

I do use mine for bank records, and I'd have a time managing them on my phone. 
I am sure that some day, there'll be a way that I learn and probably use the 
phone for everything. Why not? It's always handy. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 6:12 PM
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Hi,
The only thing I use a computer for is to print my paystub‘s. Our use of my 
phone, Apple Watch, and iPad for all my other needs. Hope this helps.
Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Aug 1, 2018, at 3:05 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 
> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL. 
> 
> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
> computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I 
> decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another 
> computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I 
> consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most 
> interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. Thanks for any 
> thoughts. 
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of 
> a broken heart." So God made a dog.
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RE: what to replace a couple devices with

[Carolyn Arnold]

My daughter-in-law uses her trusty iPhone 6 for everything, net research, 
everything, and every now and then, a phone, ha ha. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 

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pegkan...@gmail.com
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Hi, I only use an iPhone 7 for all of my needs, I do not have a computer, at 
one time I did have an iPad, but gave it away to my son.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Aug 1, 2018, at 5:05 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 
> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL. 
> 
> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
> computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I 
> decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another 
> computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I 
> consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most 
> interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. Thanks for any 
> thoughts. 
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of 
> a broken heart." So God made a dog.
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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[regina alvarado]

Good questions Mary. I partly cannot figure out how to interact with my mini, 
but most of all I would be stuck at my desk. It is also a 2015 Mini using an 
old television for a monitor. I have only 4 gigs so I am not able to upgrade, 
told you need 8 at least. If I could find someone to set it up so I could just 
get onto it and learn I don't need it for heavy computing. However, nobody in 
my family knows Apple. I was thinking if it was a laptop I wouldn't have to go 
through a whole lot of gyrations just to use it since it would be all compact. 
It frustrates me also because it doesn't talk on its own but needs a monitor 
and/or headphones. So, yes, just frustrated with it. I agree, though. There are 
just times when a computer can be valuable to have. Oh yes, my Mini also will 
drive me to drink continually screwing up my desktop wanting to move from 
Sierra. 

Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog.


On Aug 1, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:

Hi,
The only thing I use a computer for is to print my paystub‘s. Our use of my 
phone, Apple Watch, and iPad for all my other needs. Hope this helps.
Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Aug 1, 2018, at 3:05 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 
> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL. 
> 
> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
> computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I 
> decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another 
> computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I 
> consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most 
> interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. Thanks for any 
> thoughts. 
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of 
> a broken heart." So God made a dog.
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Re: Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[Richard Turner]

I'm glad to say I have had no troubels with DropBox and VDR.
Did this just start? I've found once I set up Dropbox permissions in VDR, it 
just works.
I hope someone has a solution for you.
Richard



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Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with adding 
files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders in Dropbox 
don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to Dropbox as they show 
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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[Jennie Facer]

Hi,
The only thing I use a computer for is to print my paystub‘s. Our use of my 
phone, Apple Watch, and iPad for all my other needs. Hope this helps.
Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Aug 1, 2018, at 3:05 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 
> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL. 
> 
> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
> computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I 
> decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another 
> computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I 
> consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most 
> interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. Thanks for any 
> thoughts. 
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of 
> a broken heart." So God made a dog.
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Re: Accessibility of either DirecTV or Comcast

[Donna]

The Direct Tv app is fully accessible. 

Donna
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> or Comcast in regards to using the apps. 
> I’m only considering switching from what I currently have, but don’t want to 
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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[pegkane52]

I also use an Apple Watch, kind of forgot about that. I do not think for me and 
other device is something I need or want at this time. I could use an old 
computer that belong to my husband and has been completely refurbished, but I 
like what I am using right now.

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Aug 1, 2018, at 5:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Well, it seems to me the real question is: why don’t you use your Mac Mini? 
> Is it the fact that you were tied to the desk? Or is it the fact that maybe 
> you’re having issues with getting along with voiceover and whatever 
> applications you need to use there? I think rather than talk about what 
> device to get, a better approach might be to think about what it is you want 
> to do with the device you have or what you can’t do with the device you have. 
> Identify those things, and go from there. Just my two cents. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 1, 2018, at 2:05 PM, regina alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
>> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL. 
>> 
>> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
>> computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I 
>> decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another 
>> computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I 
>> consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most 
>> interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. Thanks for any 
>> thoughts. 
>> 
>> 
>> Reggie and Lex
>> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
>> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
>> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits 
>> of a broken heart." So God made a dog.
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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[Mary Otten]

Well, it seems to me the real question is: why don’t you use your Mac Mini? Is 
it the fact that you were tied to the desk? Or is it the fact that maybe you’re 
having issues with getting along with voiceover and whatever applications you 
need to use there? I think rather than talk about what device to get, a better 
approach might be to think about what it is you want to do with the device you 
have or what you can’t do with the device you have. Identify those things, and 
go from there. Just my two cents. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2018, at 2:05 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 
> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL. 
> 
> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
> computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I 
> decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another 
> computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I 
> consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most 
> interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. Thanks for any 
> thoughts. 
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of 
> a broken heart." So God made a dog.
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Re: what to replace a couple devices with

[pegkane52]

Hi, I only use an iPhone 7 for all of my needs, I do not have a computer, at 
one time I did have an iPad, but gave it away to my son.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Aug 1, 2018, at 5:05 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 
> I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
> consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL. 
> 
> I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
> computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I 
> decided to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another 
> computer, which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I 
> consider; an Apple watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most 
> interested in a laptop if a computer with a small screen. Thanks for any 
> thoughts. 
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
> gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
> day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of 
> a broken heart." So God made a dog.
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what to replace a couple devices with

[regina alvarado]

I know this is an individual preference, but here is a question for 
consideration. OK, OK, may be a couple questions. LOL. 

I am interested in whether anyone only uses a mobile device and never a 
computer, is that possible. I have a Mac Mini, but I never use it. if I decided 
to trade in my Mac Mini, what would I replace it with? If another computer, 
which Apple? If not, what device besides my phone should I consider; an Apple 
watch or a trade-in on an iPad Air? To what? Most interested in a laptop if a 
computer with a small screen. Thanks for any thoughts. 


Reggie and Lex
God said, "I need somebody strong enough to pull sleds and find bombs, yet 
gentle enough to love babies and lead the blind. Somebody who will spend all 
day on a couch with a resting head and supportive eyes to lift the spirits of a 
broken heart." So God made a dog.

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Re: Any Updates on Accessible sprinkler timers?

[Denny Schwab]

I use the Rachio app and find it very accessible.  The only real issue
I have is that it does not tell you if something is selected or not,
for instance when you are trying to select which of the zones are
going to be watered on a given schedule.  It is easy enough to work
around that though, since you can get the list of zones currently
selected when you have the schedule fully created, then just go in and
edit it by tapping on the zones you don't want included in that list.

Denny

On 8/1/18, Tom Rash  wrote:
> Try sky drop.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
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> Subject: Any Updates on Accessible sprinkler timers?
>
>
>
> There have been earlier threads on this here. Some here noted the Rachio
> app. As my sprinklers started off schedule at 3:00 AM this morning, I began
> to wonder what options I might have for an accessible controller app, this
> instead of paying for yet another service call.
>
>
>
> Bill Holton did a nice review of the Rachio  app in the August 2017 issue of
> Access World: “An Accessibility Check of the Rachio Smart Wi-Fi Sprinkler.”
> He noted one significant inaccessible feature; the timer was set with an
> inaccessible graphically generated dial, but he offered a workaround. He
> also noted the Rainmachine Smart Sprinkler could be useful, writing, “I have
> not tested this device, but the app seems even more  accessible than the
> Rachio. All of the buttons have been labelled, and a company  support
> technician assures me that the developers used only standard app controls.”
>
>
>
> I wonder if anyone on the list uses these or other apps successfully. I will
> appreciate any help.
>
>
>
> Richard Petty
>
>
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> Any suggestions on any lawn sprinkler timers that are accessible to set and
> control with the iPhone?
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Re: Accessibility of either DirecTV or Comcast

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
I can say Comcast’s x-1 platform and it’s speaking set top box along with their 
xfinity apps for iPhone are extremely accessible and intuitive to use for me.
I give them a lot of credit for not just meeting a requirement but doing so in 
a way that has been informed by the people for whom it’s intended to assist.
Robin


From: Tom 
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 3:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Accessibility of either DirecTV or Comcast

Hello there,

 

I was just wondering if any of you had good experiences with either DirecTV or 
Comcast in regards to using the apps.  

I’m only considering switching from what I currently have, but don’t want to 
jump to something that’s not accessible.

I’d appreciate hearing from you about this.

 

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Re: All sound randomly stopping on iPhone SE

[Jessica Dail]

Hi,
How do you usually carry the device on a daily basis?

If in your pants pocket, then yes, you may be bumping one of the buttons.

I’m not sure why all sound would just disappear.

Are you turning the volume all the way down by accident?

Thanks,
Jessica


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> On Aug 1, 2018, at 2:15 PM, Cristobal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> So recently I’ve been dealing with an issue that’s been happening more and 
> more. While using my iPhone SE, be it dictating something or just regular 
> navigating, all sound will just stop. No Voiceover, no system sounds, no 
> Siri, nothing. Not even flicking the mute switch on the side of the phone. 
> Not even the little vibration thing it’s supposed to do.
> Anyway, the first few times this happened, I was worried that my phone 
> bricked or died or something. I soon discovered that I could get sound back 
> by paring some headphones or plugging in headphones with the jack. VO would 
> be right there as if nothing happened.
> Anyway, now when this occurs, I know to not freak out, but rather just pare 
> some headphones to get Voiceover back and then disconnect the same headphones 
> and then press the volume up button on the side of my phone and VO will soon 
> start blasting out of the speaker. That and the vibration will come back on 
> the mute switch if I flick it back and forth.
> This was pretty rare and I figured it was just one of those random whatever 
> things that happens when you’re dealing with tech, but for the past ten or so 
> days to two weeks, it’s been happening nearly every day and sometimes 
> multiple times a day. ON a side note, I’ve also been getting the power off 
> screen without pressing and holding down the power button. I don’t know if 
> I’m pressing some other button/tap combination to bring it up, but I don’t 
> recall it just showing up like that before.
> Has anyone else dealt with this issue? I checked my phone’s battery health 
> and it’s saying that it’s at 94% and is still supporting peak performance for 
> whatever that’s worth. I was thinking of taking it in later this year to take 
> advantage of the battery replacement program since it’s going on two years 
> that I’ve had it so I don’t know if this may have anything to do with it.
> Running the latest iOS 11.4.1.
> Thanks,
> Cristobal
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Accessibility of either DirecTV or Comcast

[Tom]

Hello there,

 

I was just wondering if any of you had good experiences with either DirecTV
or Comcast in regards to using the apps.  

I'm only considering switching from what I currently have, but don't want to
jump to something that's not accessible.

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All sound randomly stopping on iPhone SE

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Hello list,

So recently I’ve been dealing with an issue that’s been happening more and
more. While using my iPhone SE, be it dictating something or just regular
navigating, all sound will just stop. No Voiceover, no system sounds, no
Siri, nothing. Not even flicking the mute switch on the side of the phone.
Not even the little vibration thing it’s supposed to do.

Anyway, the first few times this happened, I was worried that my phone
bricked or died or something. I soon discovered that I could get sound back
by paring some headphones or plugging in headphones with the jack. VO would
be right there as if nothing happened. 

Anyway, now when this occurs, I know to not freak out, but rather just pare
some headphones to get Voiceover back and then disconnect the same
headphones and then press the volume up button on the side of my phone and
VO will soon start blasting out of the speaker. That and the vibration will
come back on the mute switch if I flick it back and forth.

This was pretty rare and I figured it was just one of those random whatever
things that happens when you’re dealing with tech, but for the past ten or
so days to two weeks, it’s been happening nearly every day and sometimes
multiple times a day. ON a side note, I’ve also been getting the power off
screen without pressing and holding down the power button. I don’t know if
I’m pressing some other button/tap combination to bring it up, but I don’t
recall it just showing up like that before.

Has anyone else dealt with this issue? I checked my phone’s battery health
and it’s saying that it’s at 94% and is still supporting peak performance
for whatever that’s worth. I was thinking of taking it in later this year to
take advantage of the battery replacement program since it’s going on two
years that I’ve had it so I don’t know if this may have anything to do with
it.

Running the latest iOS 11.4.1.

Thanks,

Cristobal

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Voicedream Dropbox Issue

[Kelby Carlson]

Issues with VDR just keep cropping up. This time it's an issue with 
adding files. When I try to add a file from Dropbox, some of the folders 
in Dropbox don't show up in VDR's list. i know they are uploaded to 
Dropbox as they show up on the Dropbox app on my phone. I haven't tried 
uninstalling and reinstalling VDR yet because my library is big and I'd 
rather not restore it, but otherwise I'm not sure what to do.


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