Re: Do Not Update Fantastical

[Richard Turner]

Well, it used to be that if you found a day on that month view, you could 
double tap and hold, and bring up a new event for that date.
While you can still do that, you cannot be sure that the click with no 
information is the right date.
So, to me, there is a loss of accessibility.
Not to mention that I sure as hell don't need the weather in my calendar. I 
have apps for that.
If I wanted a calendar that only showed me days with events I would use the 
native calendar in the list view.




Richard
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

 I updated to Fantastical 3 earlier before reading this thread. I was 
concerned after seeing some of the messages, but I then took a closer look at 
the new design. Fantastical 3, from what I can tell, is just as accessible with 
VoiceOver as Fantastical 2. Regarding the days where a click is heard and 
nothing is spoken, I looked on my calendar and found several of those days. I 
discovered that where you hear only the click, those days don't have any events 
or reminders scheduled. I have lots of classes scheduled, days where I pay 
bills, holidays, meeting, reminders, and various other things scheduled and 
noted on my calendar. The only empty days are usually on the weekends. So if 
you don't have many appointments set, you will probably hear a lot of clicks. 
Other than that, the top half of the screen is the month view, and the bottom 
half is the list of events and reminders, along with the new addition of the 
day's weather, if available. I can't find anything yet in my explorations which 
is not accessible or a regression from the last accessible version.

Best,


Wayne Merritt
Sent from my iPhone XR

On Jan 29, 2020, at 6:17 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 If you updated and regret it, or even if you haven't and trust what I'm 
saying, please write to h...@flexibits.com
and express your disappointment that accessibility has been broken.
It used to be that in the month view, you could explore the screen and find 
everyday of the month.
Now, maybe 3 days out of a week speak their name and date and number of events, 
but the rest just click, click, click.
I'm pissed!




Richard
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On Jan 29, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


Be aware that if you update Fantastical you will be very sad, in my opinion.
The month view does not work nearly as well as it did prior to today's version 
3.
And, they are offering a Premium package that will cost either $4.99 per month, 
or $39.99 per year.
You should read about all the changes before updating.
I stupidly updated, and wish I had not.
Richard




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Re: Do Not Update Fantastical

[Wayne Merritt]

I updated to Fantastical 3 earlier before reading this thread. I was concerned 
after seeing some of the messages, but I then took a closer look at the new 
design. Fantastical 3, from what I can tell, is just as accessible with 
VoiceOver as Fantastical 2. Regarding the days where a click is heard and 
nothing is spoken, I looked on my calendar and found several of those days. I 
discovered that where you hear only the click, those days don't have any events 
or reminders scheduled. I have lots of classes scheduled, days where I pay 
bills, holidays, meeting, reminders, and various other things scheduled and 
noted on my calendar. The only empty days are usually on the weekends. So if 
you don't have many appointments set, you will probably hear a lot of clicks. 
Other than that, the top half of the screen is the month view, and the bottom 
half is the list of events and reminders, along with the new addition of the 
day's weather, if available. I can't find anything yet in my explorations which 
is not accessible or a regression from the last accessible version.

Best, 


Wayne Merritt
Sent from my iPhone XR

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 6:17 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  If you updated and regret it, or even if you haven't and trust what I'm 
> saying, please write to h...@flexibits.com
> and express your disappointment that accessibility has been broken.
> It used to be that in the month view, you could explore the screen and find 
> everyday of the month.
> Now, maybe 3 days out of a week speak their name and date and number of 
> events, but the rest just click, click, click.
> I'm pissed!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane 
> Wagner
> 
> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Be aware that if you update Fantastical you will be very sad, in my opinion.
>> The month view does not work nearly as well as it did prior to today's 
>> version 3.
>> And, they are offering a Premium package that will cost either $4.99 per 
>> month, or $39.99 per year.
>> You should read about all the changes before updating.
>> I stupidly updated, and wish I had not.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
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Re: Do Not Update Fantastical

[Richard Turner]

If you updated and regret it, or even if you haven't and trust what I'm saying, 
please write to h...@flexibits.com
and express your disappointment that accessibility has been broken.
It used to be that in the month view, you could explore the screen and find 
everyday of the month.
Now, maybe 3 days out of a week speak their name and date and number of events, 
but the rest just click, click, click.
I'm pissed!




Richard
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-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Jan 29, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


Be aware that if you update Fantastical you will be very sad, in my opinion.
The month view does not work nearly as well as it did prior to today's version 
3.
And, they are offering a Premium package that will cost either $4.99 per month, 
or $39.99 per year.
You should read about all the changes before updating.
I stupidly updated, and wish I had not.
Richard




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Re: Do Not Update Fantastical

[Alex Stone]

Darn, I updated earlier, but I havent tested it yet.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Turner 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 11:39:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Do Not Update Fantastical

Be aware that if you update Fantastical you will be very sad, in my opinion.
The month view does not work nearly as well as it did prior to today's version 
3.
And, they are offering a Premium package that will cost either $4.99 per month, 
or $39.99 per year.
You should read about all the changes before updating.
I stupidly updated, and wish I had not.
Richard




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Do Not Update Fantastical

[Richard Turner]

Be aware that if you update Fantastical you will be very sad, in my opinion.
The month view does not work nearly as well as it did prior to today's version 
3.
And, they are offering a Premium package that will cost either $4.99 per month, 
or $39.99 per year.
You should read about all the changes before updating.
I stupidly updated, and wish I had not.
Richard




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RE: update - what about the notification bug

[Carolyn]

I just went and shut down all notifications other than phone and messages. 

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Subject: update - what about the notification bug

Hi folks 
 
Are there any improvements in vo bugs especially concerning the notification 
bug for some apps where notifications are always repeating itselves on the lock 
screen every minute?
 
I know of a bug that has disappeared while people calling with their speakers 
heard a very aanoying echo of their own voice in conversation.
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Re: update - what about the notification bug

[Davy Cuppns]

So please do all bomb Apples servers again with these bug reports!

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

> Op 29 jan. 2020 om 21:54 heeft Rebecca Ilniski  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Nope no improvements where that's concerned. Definitely an annoying bug. I 
> wish they'd fix it. 
> 
> Rebecca Ilniski
> email: rilni...@gmail.com
> Twitter: applegirl1994
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>> 
> 
> 
> Hi folks
>  
> Are there any improvements in vo bugs especially concerning the notification 
> bug for some apps where notifications are always repeating itselves on the 
> lock screen every minute?
>  
> I know of a bug that has disappeared while people calling with their speakers 
> heard a very aanoying echo of their own voice in conversation.
> Regards
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Re: From Apple Insider: 'Ring's app caught spying on users, sharing data with third-parties By Mike Peterson Tuesday, January 28, 2020,

[B. J. Maynard]

hi,

The more you put out there  the more the dataharvesters will take.  I am not 
supprised by this.   Seems to be common practice these days.  No that it's 
right but, you got a ring d door  bell hooked it to your network and linked the 
ap to your phone.  The more information we put out there the more componies 
will take  Because it's worth money.  We should start asking these security 
questions at first and not finding out they do it  after words.  People seem to 
just jump on the next gaget without thinking about privicy (which I think a lot 
is out hte window)  after they find out it's been done.  I wonder though sincet 
his artical mentioned android if This  happens inthe ios ap. it seems to be 
amazon based and the  ap platform would make little to no difference.  

B. J. Maynard
  - Original Message - 
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  Subject: From Apple Insider: 'Ring's app caught spying on users, sharing data 
with third-parties By Mike Peterson Tuesday, January 28, 2020,


  Amazon's Ring for Android app is loaded with third-party trackers harvesting 
a "plethora" of customer data, a new investigation claims -and an Amazon 
engineer for the product wants it completely shut down. The Electronic Frontier 
Foundation has discovered that third-party tracking software within the Ring 
doorbell app is sending customer data to four analytics and marketing 
companies, including Facebook, Google, MixPanel and AppsFlyer. That data 
includes personally identifiable information such as names and private IP 
addresses. Facebook, for example, is alerted when users open the Ring app, as 
well as when they perform certain device actions. Mobile analytics company 
AppsFlyer is sent a similar mix of data, but also receives information 
collected from a device's sensors including its gyroscope and magnetometer. The 
information sent to MixPanel, another data analytics firm, includes a user's 
full name, email address, device data and app settings. While Ring also sends 
data to Google's Crashalytics service, the EFF wasn't able to determine the 
extent of the sharing in the report published on Tuesday . The EFF points out 
that even small bits of user data can be combined by tracking firms to create a 
larger picture of a user's digital habits. That "fingerprint" could allow 
third-party companies to surveil what users are doing across various apps and 
devices. Importantly, the nonprofit group claims that this tracking is taking 
place without a user's knowledge, consent or ability to disable it. 
  The data collected is sent over encrypted HTTPS and is delivered in a way 
that eludes analysis, the EFF said. The investigation's methodology included 
observing that data flow via man-in-the-middle techniques, a tactic often used 
by hackers to intercept internet traffic. 
  Since the EFF investigation focused on Ring's Android app, it isn't clear 
whether the iOS version has similar privacy risks. 
  Apple's App Store Review Guidelines do include provisions that protect users 
from many data collection practices, however. 
  In light of the potential for abuse and other privacy risks, at least one 
Amazon engineer is calling for the smart doorbell company to be shut down. "The 
deployment of connected home security cameras that allow footage to be queried 
centrally are simply not compatible with a free society. 
  The privacy issues are not fixable with regulation and there is no balance 
that can be struck," said Max Eliaser in a Medium post . "Ring should be shut 
down immediately and not brought back. 
  Repeat offender This isn't the first time Ring has been in the spotlight for 
alleged privacy blunders. In 2019, The Intercept reported that both engineers 
and executives at Ring had "highly privileged access" to live feeds from 
customer cameras. 
  And earlier this month, Ring fired four employees who had allegedly abused 
that access to spy on customers. Privacy advocates have also raised concerns 
about Ring's links to law enforcement , as well as the potential implementation 
of facial recognition in a platform already beset by surveillance and privacy 
controversies. .






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Don't care about whether ... will not upgrade... RE: update - what about the notification bug

[Terri Hedgpeth]

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Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:13 PM
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Subject: Re: update - what about the notification bug

Until more bugs get fixed, I'll not be upgrading to IOS 13.3.  Maybe I'll 
update when IOS 14 comes out.  I could also stay on IOS 12.41 forever until my 
iPhone 8 totally dies.

On 1/29/20, Rebecca Ilniski  wrote:
> Nope no improvements where that's concerned. Definitely an annoying 
> bug. I wish they'd fix it.
>
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>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
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> Hi folks
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> Are there any improvements in vo bugs especially concerning the 
> notification bug for some apps where notifications are always 
> repeating itselves on the lock screen every minute?
>
> I know of a bug that has disappeared while people calling with their 
> speakers heard a very aanoying echo of their own voice in conversation.
> Regards
> Davy
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Re: update - what about the notification bug

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Until more bugs get fixed, I'll not be upgrading to IOS 13.3.  Maybe
I'll update when IOS 14 comes out.  I could also stay on IOS 12.41
forever until my iPhone 8 totally dies.

On 1/29/20, Rebecca Ilniski  wrote:
> Nope no improvements where that's concerned. Definitely an annoying bug. I
> wish they'd fix it.
>
> Rebecca Ilniski
> email: rilni...@gmail.com
> Twitter: applegirl1994
>
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>>
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> 
> Hi folks
>
> Are there any improvements in vo bugs especially concerning the notification
> bug for some apps where notifications are always repeating itselves on the
> lock screen every minute?
>
> I know of a bug that has disappeared while people calling with their
> speakers heard a very aanoying echo of their own voice in conversation.
> Regards
> Davy
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Re: update - what about the notification bug

[Rebecca Ilniski]

Nope no improvements where that's concerned. Definitely an annoying bug. I wish 
they'd fix it. 

Rebecca Ilniski
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Twitter: applegirl1994

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 


Hi folks
 
Are there any improvements in vo bugs especially concerning the notification 
bug for some apps where notifications are always repeating itselves on the lock 
screen every minute?
 
I know of a bug that has disappeared while people calling with their speakers 
heard a very aanoying echo of their own voice in conversation.
Regards
Davy
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update - what about the notification bug

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

Are there any improvements in vo bugs especially concerning the notification 
bug for some apps where notifications are always repeating itselves on the lock 
screen every minute?

I know of a bug that has disappeared while people calling with their speakers 
heard a very aanoying echo of their own voice in conversation.
Regards
Davy 

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