RE: Is this a potential security problem?

[James Bentley]

Why, would I as a blind guy want to try to whip out a can of pepper spray to 
spray some jerk who might already have his 40 caliber aimed right between my 
blind eyes.

Pepper spray is hit and miss even with the sighted.  And, no sane sighted 
person would try to use a stupid can of pepper spray if the would be theif has 
a pointed hand gun aimed right at his/her face.

Just give the stinking jerk/jerkette your phone and keep your life.  Better 
yet, keep your phone in your pocket. Unless you really need it.

James B  

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 11:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is this a potential security problem?

Hi Kelly,

Keep in mind that if a guy is in your face so to speak and you sprayed him in 
that close proximity with your fancy pepper spray you'd most likely be on the 
ground right along side him.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 8:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a potential security problem?

I have been a victim advocate in Chicago for more than 25 years.
Criminals seem to target blind people less often for robberies because a blind 
person does not know that a gun is pointed at them or that a criminal is 
displaying an unsheathed knife. This needs to be explained and described to the 
blind person before they comply with the criminal. They want to act quickly and 
disappear and the extra communications needed for compliance requires extra 
time and hassle.

More likely, the blind person will experience theft when a phone is left on a 
table at a public place like a restaurant and a criminal picks it up and runs 
away with the phone. Phones left in coats or unattended backpacks are also in 
jeopardy of theft. Another theft possibility is when a blind person is casually 
using the phone on a train or a bus and the criminal yanks it out of the user’s 
hand and runs away when the door is open. As mentioned, a common way to avoid 
phone robberies is to avoid using the iPhone in public. When it needs to be 
used, such as with a navigation app, the phone should be in a pocket or held 
closely near the body with a hand firmly grasping it.
Sighted criminals target those who are flashy with their Apple tech.
I also have a strategy to prevent criminals from getting in my face and causing 
problems to my safety. I carry around a two or three ounce can of Heatwave 
brand pepper spray, Napalm strength. This is way more intense then the pepper 
spray sold in most retail stores and even more intense and painful than the 
pepper spray police use.  Fox is another good brand. These pepper sprays drop 
bad guys in seconds because they strip the protective oily layer on the surface 
of the skin so pain is felt immediately. I get the fog version as a blind 
person because it is difficult to aim a stream accurately. A three second blast 
of Heatwave Napalm strength to a criminal putting a phone up to my face will 
cause him to drop the iPhone and writhe in an inescapable cloud of intense and 
sustained pain. Small belt pouches are sold for pepper spray cans so the 
container is easily available within arm’s reach.

Kelly




On 11/16/22, Dennis Long  wrote:
> If you are that paranoid ditch your smart phone get a flip phone and 
> call it a day.  I've never heard of this happening.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Steve Matzura
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 4:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is this a potential security problem?
>
> Often I hear stories in the news of people who are mugged and their 
> phones stolen. If someone's phone is stolen, what's to prevent the 
> mugger from snatching the phone, holding the phone up to their face, 
> and unlocking it with Face ID, then taking off and disappearing with 
> an unlocked phone and access to all the information contained therein? 
> If a visually impaired person loses their phone, this is not an 
> unlikely scenario as the mugger can take the device and just wait 
> around and follow the visually impaired person without them knowing 
> it, then, when the time is right, whip out the phone and get it 
> unlocked without the owner ever even knowing it happened. Might it not 
> be a bad idea to disable unlocking with Face ID? Or am I just being New York 
> paranoid?
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RE: Bt keyboard question

[Dennis Long]

Yep and to do Siri dots 1 4 5.  The Hable One is a wonderful device

-Original Message-
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Hendrickson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 1:08 PM
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My Hable One braille keyboard is even easier.  I just hold down the letter J 
and feel a vibration and I can get to my control center.

On 11/18/22, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Which is the options key on apple keyboards.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: November 17, 2022 9:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bt keyboard question
>
> Hey Alex, the VO, or voice over keyboard command is a set of two keys 
> held down. It seems to vary, depending on the device and the keyboard. 
> Sometimes the VO keys are the first and the third key, sometimes the 
> first and the fourth key, and on most, Apple keyboards, the second and 
> third key. When I mentioned the right VO key, it would be the right 
> hand key that you would use for the voiceover combination. So if your 
> device uses the first and third key for the voice over command, then 
> it would be the third key would be your right VO key.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:38 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Tom, I remembered the 1st bit but not the 2md, out of 
>> interest, what’s the right-hand vo kye?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:15, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, so there are two parts. The first one is using the VO keys and 
>>> the letter M to go to the status bar. The next step is to use just 
>>> the right VO key and the down arrow to simulate a three finger swipe 
>>> up and that should open the control center.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Alex Stone 
> wrote:

 Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth 
 keyboard in iOS 16? I’m sure there used to be a command, but I 
 can’t remember what it is.

 Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is n

[Dennis Long]

Not everyone wants to use the " hey thing phrase.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question 
is n

Another option is to just invoke hey Siri. Then you can just call out her name 
when you want her.

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Turner
Sent: November 18, 2022 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question 
is n

Actually, yes.
I don't recall right now if it is a default keystroke, or if you have to define 
it under commands in VoiceOver settings.

If you dig through the commands in the VO settings, you should find Siri and if 
no keyboard command is defined, you can pick a command and add it assuming that 
key combination is not already being used.




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is n

I suspect the answer to this question is no, but is it possible to start Siri 
from a Bluetooth keyboard?
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RE: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Joe,

I and others are definitely replicating your first item regarding the native 
Mail app's incorrect Voiceover preview of a message with focus. I'm not really 
doing the other items you mentioned so cannot comment on them.

I've been meaning to report the Mail preview bug to Apple Accessibility so 
thanks for the reminder.

Alan Lemly

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Orozco
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 11:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

Hi, are you seeing these bugs on your end?

1. As you’re swiping through emails on the native Mail app, Voiceover will read 
the correct sender and subject line, but the message preview is completely 
different from the actual email. The problem is inconsistent but presents 
itself across multiple messages in the chosen inbox. The problem exists across 
all email accounts being used. In fact, the inaccurate message summaries 
sometimes pull from completely different email accounts.

2. If you tap Add contact when sending an email or text message, Voiceover 
refuses to navigate by heading. True, you can use the search function as 
opposed to navigating the length of your contacts, but navigating by headers is 
useful when forgetting the exact spelling of an uncommon contact's name. 
Voiceover simply continues to say "no headings."

3. Voiceover is jumping to the bottom of the screen when attempting to navigate 
longer emails. You have to swipe down with three fingers to scroll further down 
in the message and then back track to try to read the portions of the email 
voiceover skipped.

I keep hoping the issues will be fixed with subsequent iOS 16 updates, but 
alas, no luck so far. Before reporting to Apple, is anyone else experiencing 
these glitches?

Thank you in advance for any feedback.

Best,

Joe


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Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

[Joe Orozco]

Hi, are you seeing these bugs on your end?

1. As you’re swiping through emails on the native Mail app, Voiceover
will read the correct sender and subject line, but the message preview
is completely
different from the actual email. The problem is inconsistent but
presents itself across multiple messages in the chosen inbox. The
problem exists across
all email accounts being used. In fact, the inaccurate message
summaries sometimes pull from completely different email accounts.

2. If you tap Add contact when sending an email or text message,
Voiceover refuses to navigate by heading. True, you can use the search
function as opposed
to navigating the length of your contacts, but navigating by headers
is useful when forgetting the exact spelling of an uncommon contact's
name. Voiceover simply continues to say "no headings."

3. Voiceover is jumping to the bottom of the screen when attempting to
navigate longer emails. You have to swipe down with three fingers to
scroll further
down in the message and then back track to try to read the portions of
the email voiceover skipped.

I keep hoping the issues will be fixed with subsequent iOS 16 updates,
but alas, no luck so far. Before reporting to Apple, is anyone else
experiencing
these glitches?

Thank you in advance for any feedback.

Best,

Joe


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RE: Be my eyes question

[Fazil M.]

The tone volume is very low when you wait for the next available volunteer, 
however you can raise it with the volume up button. The volume is back to 
normal once the call is connected.

HTH.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
Jordan
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 5:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Be my eyes question

 

Hi all. Is anyone having problems with the be my eyes app. I place a call, the 
tones stop and the phone seems to freeze up. My Iphone 13 Mini is having some 
rather disturbing problems, so I’m not sure if it’s my phone or if there is 
some sort of glitch with the server or the app. Just curious.

Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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Re: Be my eyes question

[William Outman]

I used Be My Eyes for a couple calls earlier this week, I believe it was Wednesday, and it was fine. The tones were low but I could hear them on my 8 Plus. Bill Outman Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 18, 2022, at 8:30 PM, Paula Jordan  wrote:Hi all. Is anyone having problems with the be my eyes app. I place a call, the tones stop and the phone seems to freeze up. My Iphone 13 Mini is having some rather disturbing problems, so I’m not sure if it’s my phone or if there is some sort of glitch with the server or the app. Just curious.Thanks.God bless!Paula and the pups



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Be my eyes question

[Paula Jordan]

Hi all. Is anyone having problems with the be my eyes app. I place a call,
the tones stop and the phone seems to freeze up. My Iphone 13 Mini is having
some rather disturbing problems, so I'm not sure if it's my phone or if
there is some sort of glitch with the server or the app. Just curious.

Thanks.

God bless!

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Re: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is n

[Alex Stone]

I know, I just wondered if it could be done on a keyboard.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Nov 2022, at 23:34, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Another option is to just invoke hey Siri. Then you can just call out her 
> name when you want her.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: November 18, 2022 6:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this 
> question is n
> 
> Actually, yes.
> I don't recall right now if it is a default keystroke, or if you have to 
> define it under commands in VoiceOver settings.
> 
> If you dig through the commands in the VO settings, you should find Siri and 
> if no keyboard command is defined, you can pick a command and add it assuming 
> that key combination is not already being used.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
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> Subject: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is 
> n
> 
> I suspect the answer to this question is no, but is it possible to start Siri 
> from a Bluetooth keyboard?
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RE: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is n

[chrisjudge1967]

Another option is to just invoke hey Siri. Then you can just call out her name 
when you want her.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: November 18, 2022 6:38 PM
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Subject: RE: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question 
is n

Actually, yes.
I don't recall right now if it is a default keystroke, or if you have to define 
it under commands in VoiceOver settings.

If you dig through the commands in the VO settings, you should find Siri and if 
no keyboard command is defined, you can pick a command and add it assuming that 
key combination is not already being used.




Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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Stone
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is n

I suspect the answer to this question is no, but is it possible to start Siri 
from a Bluetooth keyboard?
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Re: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is n

[Alex Stone]

Thanks very much, I’ll look in the morning!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Nov 2022, at 22:38, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Actually, yes.
> I don't recall right now if it is a default keystroke, or if you have to 
> define it under commands in VoiceOver settings.
> 
> If you dig through the commands in the VO settings, you should find Siri and 
> if no keyboard command is defined, you can pick a command and add it assuming 
> that key combination is not already being used.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
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> Subject: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is 
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RE: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is n

[Richard Turner]

Actually, yes.
I don't recall right now if it is a default keystroke, or if you have to define 
it under commands in VoiceOver settings.

If you dig through the commands in the VO settings, you should find Siri and if 
no keyboard command is defined, you can pick a command and add it assuming that 
key combination is not already being used.




Richard, USA.
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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
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Stone
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is n

I suspect the answer to this question is no, but is it possible to start Siri 
from a Bluetooth keyboard?
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Re: Alexa Reporting Time An Hour Ahead?

[Kelly Pierce]

That was going to be my next suggestion. People may not want to do
that if their Alexa device is their iPhone and they are constantly
crossing time zones, I am at the edge of a time zone in the United
States and simply crossing state lines means I am in another time
zone.

Kelly



On 11/18/22, Fazil M.  wrote:
> No, but it is taken care off.
> One should go to  device tab > device settings and select Time Zone.
> Thanks!
>
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>
> Is the address associated with your Amazon account in a different time zone
> from where you are located?  By default, Amazon uses the address where
> packages are sent as the address to deliver location based services, such as
> time, temperature, and weather.
>
> Kelly
>
>
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>>
>> I updated Alexa this morning and now she reports time from Nountain
>> Time Zone instead of Pacific Time Zone. How can I fix this, please?
>>
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RE: Alexa Reporting Time An Hour Ahead?

[Fazil M.]

No, but it is taken care off.
One should go to  device tab > device settings and select Time Zone.
Thanks!

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alexa Reporting Time An Hour Ahead?

Is the address associated with your Amazon account in a different time zone 
from where you are located?  By default, Amazon uses the address where packages 
are sent as the address to deliver location based services, such as time, 
temperature, and weather.

Kelly



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Re: Alexa Reporting Time An Hour Ahead?

[Kelly Pierce]

Is the address associated with your Amazon account in a different time
zone from where you are located?  By default, Amazon uses the address
where packages are sent as the address to deliver location based
services, such as time, temperature, and weather.

Kelly



On 11/18/22, Fazil M.  wrote:
> Hi, Group.
>
> I updated Alexa this morning and now she reports time from Nountain Time
> Zone instead of Pacific Time Zone. How can I fix this, please?
>
> Thanks!
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Another bt keyboard questionI suspect the answer to this question is n

[Alex Stone]

I suspect the answer to this question is no, but is it possible to start Siri 
from a Bluetooth keyboard?
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RE: Twitter closes offices until Monday as more employees quit

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Not sure what you mean, Twitter accessibility for screenreader users will 
probably not change and if you mean whether Twitter will be down until Monday 
then the answer is No and please read the article. It simply means that 
apparently Twitter offices will be closed and the only issue which may arise is 
that if there is a technical issue or outage of some sort that it may have more 
of an impact because there may not be engineers around to fix it.
Elon Musk may be a very difficult human being, but he is apparently a genius 
and certainly he is no dummy so who knows how this will all play out and what 
will happen to Twitter say in a year. Maybe Twitter will be stronger and better 
than ever, one has to keep in mind that anything you read on the news is 
subjective to a degree and when they report that a large amount of Twitter 
employees is quitting any numbers are only conjecture and based on hear-say and 
of course as some leave others may see an opportunity and join and maybe they 
are people who will live up to Musk's high standards of work ethics.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Afik 
Souffir
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 11:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Twitter closes offices until Monday as more employees quit

So Twitter will not be accessible.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Twitter closes offices until Monday as more employees quit

This is from CBC News, the first is a link to play the article on YouTube and 
then follows the trext:

Twitter closes offices until Monday as more employees quit - 
YouTube

Hundreds of Twitter employees are estimated to have decided to quit following 
Elon Musk's ultimatum that they sign up for "long hours at high intensity," or 
leave.
Hundreds of Twitter employees are estimated to have decided to quit the 
beleaguered social media company following a Thursday deadline from new owner 
Elon Musk that staffers sign up for "long hours at high intensity," or leave.
The departures highlight the reluctance of some of Twitter's 3,000 or so 
employees to remain at a company where Musk earlier fired half of the workforce 
including top management, and is ruthlessly changing the culture to emphasize 
long hours and an intense pace. Musk took to Twitter late on Thursday and said 
that he was not worried about resignations as "the best people are staying." 
The billionaire owner also added: "We just hit another all time high in Twitter 
usage...," without elaborating.
Musk met some top employees on Thursday to try to convince them to stay, said 
one current employee and a recently departed employee who is in touch with 
Twitter colleagues. The company also notified employees that it will close its 
offices and cut badge access until Monday, according to two sources. Security 
officers began kicking some employees out of one office on Thursday evening, 
one source said.
Over 110 Twitter employees across at least four continents had announced their 
decision to leave in public Twitter posts reviewed by Reuters, though each 
resignation could not be independently verified. About 15 employees, many in ad 
sales, posted their intention to stay at the company.
Twitter owner Elon Musk was reportedly speaking with some top employees in an 
effort to convince them to stay at the social media company. (Mary Altaffer/The 
Associated Press)
In Twitter's internal chat tool, over 500 employees wrote farewell messages on 
Thursday, a source familiar with the notes said.
A poll on the workplace app Blind, which verifies employees through their work 
email addresses and allows them to share information anonymously, had showed 42 
per cent of 180 respondents opting for "Taking exit option, I'm free!"
A quarter said they had chosen to stay "reluctantly," and only seven per cent 
of the poll participants said they "clicked yes to stay, I'm hardcore."
The exact number of employees intending to leave the company could not be 
immediately established.
Twitter did not respond to a request for comment.

Engineers depart
The departures include many engineers responsible for fixing bugs and 
preventing service outages, raising questions about the stability of the 
platform amid the loss of employees.
On Thursday evening, the version of the Twitter app 

RE: Is this a potential security problem?

[Carolyn]

I thought about these messages, when I was out to eat with my iPhone in my 
pocket. I needed to use it before we left, so pulled it out, and when through, 
back in my pocket it went with my coat pulled over it. 

There are risks to life, but all in all, I think if one uses good sense, that 
person and an iPhone will be safe. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is this a potential security problem?

Of course, if someone is focused on that market and not the run-of-the-mill 
drug addict, then yes.  But, for me, I am not worried in the least.

I don’t hang my phone out for people to grab.  

 

Since I grew up traveling without all the digital assistance, I don’t’ really 
use my phone for traveling other than to plan a route ahead of time, or when 
being navigator in a car for the person driving.

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 9:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is this a potential security problem?

 

Hi Richard,

 

As for screen curtain or Voiceover I have said this before and I still maintain 
this opinion that if somebody specializes on steeling iPhones they can easily 
learn about such features. It's not difficult to find this information online.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Is this a potential security problem?

 

My initial reaction was that you are being New York paranoid.

It is just as likely that a mugger could wack a blind person on the head, and 
put their finger on the device to unlock it if it has the home button.

I've never heard of either thing happening anywhere.

And, good luck to the thief who knows nothing about VoiceOver doing anything 
with the phone. Which leads me to my personal approach. The screen curtain is 
always on unless I need a sighted person's help, or want to show them 
something. So, again, good luck to the person who could use face ID to unlock 
my phone only to find a blank screen and something jabbering at them.

Also, if you are holding your phone out in front of you, rather than wearing it 
in a harness for orientation or directions, you are putting yourself more at 
risk.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On Nov 16, 2022, at 1:20 PM, Steve Matzura mailto:number6...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Often I hear stories in the news of people who are mugged and their 
phones stolen. If someone's phone is stolen, what's to prevent the mugger from 
snatching the phone, holding the phone up to their face, and unlocking it with 
Face ID, then taking off and disappearing with an unlocked phone and access to 
all the information contained therein? If a visually impaired person loses 
their phone, this is not an unlikely scenario as the mugger can take the device 
and just wait around and follow the visually impaired person without them 
knowing it, then, when the time is right, whip out the phone and get it 
unlocked without the owner ever even knowing it happened. Might it not be a bad 
idea to disable unlocking with Face ID? Or am I just being New York paranoid?

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Re: Twitter closes offices until Monday as more employees quit

[Afik Souffir]

So Twitter will not be accessible.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 8:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Twitter closes offices until Monday as more employees quit

This is from CBC News, the first is a link to play the article on YouTube and 
then follows the trext:

Twitter closes offices until Monday as more employees quit - 
YouTube

Hundreds of Twitter employees are estimated to have decided to quit following 
Elon Musk's ultimatum that they sign up for "long hours at high intensity," or 
leave.
Hundreds of Twitter employees are estimated to have decided to quit the 
beleaguered social media company following a Thursday deadline from new owner 
Elon Musk that staffers sign up for "long hours at high intensity," or leave.
The departures highlight the reluctance of some of Twitter's 3,000 or so 
employees to remain at a company where Musk earlier fired half of the workforce 
including top management, and is ruthlessly changing the culture to emphasize 
long hours and an intense pace. Musk took to Twitter late on Thursday and said 
that he was not worried about resignations as "the best people are staying." 
The billionaire owner also added: "We just hit another all time high in Twitter 
usage...," without elaborating.
Musk met some top employees on Thursday to try to convince them to stay, said 
one current employee and a recently departed employee who is in touch with 
Twitter colleagues. The company also notified employees that it will close its 
offices and cut badge access until Monday, according to two sources. Security 
officers began kicking some employees out of one office on Thursday evening, 
one source said.
Over 110 Twitter employees across at least four continents had announced their 
decision to leave in public Twitter posts reviewed by Reuters, though each 
resignation could not be independently verified. About 15 employees, many in ad 
sales, posted their intention to stay at the company.
Twitter owner Elon Musk was reportedly speaking with some top employees in an 
effort to convince them to stay at the social media company. (Mary Altaffer/The 
Associated Press)
In Twitter's internal chat tool, over 500 employees wrote farewell messages on 
Thursday, a source familiar with the notes said.
A poll on the workplace app Blind, which verifies employees through their work 
email addresses and allows them to share information anonymously, had showed 42 
per cent of 180 respondents opting for "Taking exit option, I'm free!"
A quarter said they had chosen to stay "reluctantly," and only seven per cent 
of the poll participants said they "clicked yes to stay, I'm hardcore."
The exact number of employees intending to leave the company could not be 
immediately established.
Twitter did not respond to a request for comment.

Engineers depart
The departures include many engineers responsible for fixing bugs and 
preventing service outages, raising questions about the stability of the 
platform amid the loss of employees.
On Thursday evening, the version of the Twitter app used by employees began 
slowing down, according to one source familiar with the matter, who estimated 
that the public version of Twitter was at risk of breaking during the night. 
"If it does break, there is no one left to fix things in many areas," the 
person said, who declined to be named for fear of retribution.
Reports of Twitter outages rose sharply from less than 50 to about 350 reports 
on Thursday evening, according to website Downdetector, which tracks website 
and app outages.
In a private chat on Signal with about 50 Twitter staffers, nearly 40 said they 
had decided to leave, according to the former employee.
And in a private Slack group for Twitter's current and former employees, about 
360 people joined a new channel titled "voluntary-layoff," said a person with 
knowledge of the Slack group.
A separate poll on Blind asked staffers to estimate what percentage of people 
would leave Twitter based on their perception. More than half of respondents 
estimated at least 50 per cent of employees would leave. Early on Wednesday, 
Musk had emailed Twitter employees, saying: "Going forward, to build a 
breakthrough Twitter 2.0 and succeed in an increasingly competitive world, we 
will need to be extremely hardcore." The email asked staff to click "yes" if 
they wanted to stick around. Those who did not respond by 5 p.m. ET on Thursday 
would be considered to have quit and given a severance package, the 

Twitter closes offices until Monday as more employees quit

[Sieghard Weitzel]

This is from CBC News, the first is a link to play the article on YouTube and 
then follows the trext:

Twitter closes offices until Monday as more employees quit - 
YouTube

Hundreds of Twitter employees are estimated to have decided to quit following 
Elon Musk's ultimatum that they sign up for "long hours at high intensity," or 
leave.
Hundreds of Twitter employees are estimated to have decided to quit the 
beleaguered social media company following a Thursday deadline from new owner 
Elon Musk that staffers sign up for "long hours at high intensity," or leave.
The departures highlight the reluctance of some of Twitter's 3,000 or so 
employees to remain at a company where Musk earlier fired half of the workforce 
including top management, and is ruthlessly changing the culture to emphasize 
long hours and an intense pace. Musk took to Twitter late on Thursday and said 
that he was not worried about resignations as "the best people are staying." 
The billionaire owner also added: "We just hit another all time high in Twitter 
usage...," without elaborating.
Musk met some top employees on Thursday to try to convince them to stay, said 
one current employee and a recently departed employee who is in touch with 
Twitter colleagues. The company also notified employees that it will close its 
offices and cut badge access until Monday, according to two sources. Security 
officers began kicking some employees out of one office on Thursday evening, 
one source said.
Over 110 Twitter employees across at least four continents had announced their 
decision to leave in public Twitter posts reviewed by Reuters, though each 
resignation could not be independently verified. About 15 employees, many in ad 
sales, posted their intention to stay at the company.
Twitter owner Elon Musk was reportedly speaking with some top employees in an 
effort to convince them to stay at the social media company. (Mary Altaffer/The 
Associated Press)
In Twitter's internal chat tool, over 500 employees wrote farewell messages on 
Thursday, a source familiar with the notes said.
A poll on the workplace app Blind, which verifies employees through their work 
email addresses and allows them to share information anonymously, had showed 42 
per cent of 180 respondents opting for "Taking exit option, I'm free!"
A quarter said they had chosen to stay "reluctantly," and only seven per cent 
of the poll participants said they "clicked yes to stay, I'm hardcore."
The exact number of employees intending to leave the company could not be 
immediately established.
Twitter did not respond to a request for comment.

Engineers depart
The departures include many engineers responsible for fixing bugs and 
preventing service outages, raising questions about the stability of the 
platform amid the loss of employees.
On Thursday evening, the version of the Twitter app used by employees began 
slowing down, according to one source familiar with the matter, who estimated 
that the public version of Twitter was at risk of breaking during the night. 
"If it does break, there is no one left to fix things in many areas," the 
person said, who declined to be named for fear of retribution.
Reports of Twitter outages rose sharply from less than 50 to about 350 reports 
on Thursday evening, according to website Downdetector, which tracks website 
and app outages.
In a private chat on Signal with about 50 Twitter staffers, nearly 40 said they 
had decided to leave, according to the former employee.
And in a private Slack group for Twitter's current and former employees, about 
360 people joined a new channel titled "voluntary-layoff," said a person with 
knowledge of the Slack group.
A separate poll on Blind asked staffers to estimate what percentage of people 
would leave Twitter based on their perception. More than half of respondents 
estimated at least 50 per cent of employees would leave. Early on Wednesday, 
Musk had emailed Twitter employees, saying: "Going forward, to build a 
breakthrough Twitter 2.0 and succeed in an increasingly competitive world, we 
will need to be extremely hardcore." The email asked staff to click "yes" if 
they wanted to stick around. Those who did not respond by 5 p.m. ET on Thursday 
would be considered to have quit and given a severance package, the email said. 
Twitter employees had until 5 p.m. ET Thursday to inform the company if they 
wanted to stay on or take a three-month severance package. (Jeff Chiu/The 
Associated Press)
As the deadline approached, employees scrambled to figure out what to do. One 
team within Twitter decided to take the leap together and leave the company, 
one employee who is leaving told Reuters. Blue hearts and salute emojis flooded 
Twitter and its internal chatrooms on Thursday, the second time in two weeks as 
Twitter employees said their goodbyes.
Notable departures included Tess Rinearson, who was tasked with building a 
cryptocurrency team at Twitter. 

RE: Bt keyboard question

[Richard Turner]

Actually, with any braille display, space plus dots 2,5 puts you into the 
control center from anywhere.

And, it is very fast.  



Richard, USA.
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bt keyboard question

My Hable One braille keyboard is even easier.  I just hold down the letter J 
and feel a vibration and I can get to my control center.

On 11/18/22, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Which is the options key on apple keyboards.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Thom Spittle
> Sent: November 17, 2022 9:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bt keyboard question
>
> Hey Alex, the VO, or voice over keyboard command is a set of two keys 
> held down. It seems to vary, depending on the device and the keyboard. 
> Sometimes the VO keys are the first and the third key, sometimes the 
> first and the fourth key, and on most, Apple keyboards, the second and 
> third key. When I mentioned the right VO key, it would be the right 
> hand key that you would use for the voiceover combination. So if your 
> device uses the first and third key for the voice over command, then 
> it would be the third key would be your right VO key.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:38 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Tom, I remembered the 1st bit but not the 2md, out of 
>> interest, what’s the right-hand vo kye?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:15, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, so there are two parts. The first one is using the VO keys and 
>>> the letter M to go to the status bar. The next step is to use just 
>>> the right VO key and the down arrow to simulate a three finger swipe 
>>> up and that should open the control center.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Alex Stone 
> wrote:

 Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth 
 keyboard in iOS 16? I’m sure there used to be a command, but I 
 can’t remember what it is.

 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Bt keyboard question

[Joshua Hendrickson]

My Hable One braille keyboard is even easier.  I just hold down the
letter J and feel a vibration and I can get to my control center.

On 11/18/22, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Which is the options key on apple keyboards.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Thom
> Spittle
> Sent: November 17, 2022 9:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bt keyboard question
>
> Hey Alex, the VO, or voice over keyboard command is a set of two keys held
> down. It seems to vary, depending on the device and the keyboard. Sometimes
> the VO keys are the first and the third key, sometimes the first and the
> fourth key, and on most, Apple keyboards, the second and third key. When I
> mentioned the right VO key, it would be the right hand key that you would
> use for the voiceover combination. So if your device uses the first and
> third key for the voice over command, then it would be the third key would
> be your right VO key.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:38 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Tom, I remembered the 1st bit but not the 2md, out of interest,
>> what’s the right-hand vo kye?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:15, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, so there are two parts. The first one is using the VO keys and the
>>> letter M to go to the status bar. The next step is to use just the right
>>> VO key and the down arrow to simulate a three finger swipe up and that
>>> should open the control center.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Alex Stone 
> wrote:

 Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth keyboard in
 iOS 16? I’m sure there used to be a command, but I can’t remember what
 it is.

 Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Is this a potential security problem?

[Richard Turner]

Of course, if someone is focused on that market and not the run-of-the-mill 
drug addict, then yes.  But, for me, I am not worried in the least.

I don’t hang my phone out for people to grab.  

 

Since I grew up traveling without all the digital assistance, I don’t’ really 
use my phone for traveling other than to plan a route ahead of time, or when 
being navigator in a car for the person driving.

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 9:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is this a potential security problem?

 

Hi Richard,

 

As for screen curtain or Voiceover I have said this before and I still maintain 
this opinion that if somebody specializes on steeling iPhones they can easily 
learn about such features. It's not difficult to find this information online.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Is this a potential security problem?

 

My initial reaction was that you are being New York paranoid.

It is just as likely that a mugger could wack a blind person on the head, and 
put their finger on the device to unlock it if it has the home button.

I've never heard of either thing happening anywhere.

And, good luck to the thief who knows nothing about VoiceOver doing anything 
with the phone. Which leads me to my personal approach. The screen curtain is 
always on unless I need a sighted person's help, or want to show them 
something. So, again, good luck to the person who could use face ID to unlock 
my phone only to find a blank screen and something jabbering at them.

Also, if you are holding your phone out in front of you, rather than wearing it 
in a harness for orientation or directions, you are putting yourself more at 
risk.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On Nov 16, 2022, at 1:20 PM, Steve Matzura mailto:number6...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Often I hear stories in the news of people who are mugged and their phones 
stolen. If someone's phone is stolen, what's to prevent the mugger from 
snatching the phone, holding the phone up to their face, and unlocking it with 
Face ID, then taking off and disappearing with an unlocked phone and access to 
all the information contained therein? If a visually impaired person loses 
their phone, this is not an unlikely scenario as the mugger can take the device 
and just wait around and follow the visually impaired person without them 
knowing it, then, when the time is right, whip out the phone and get it 
unlocked without the owner ever even knowing it happened. Might it not be a bad 
idea to disable unlocking with Face ID? Or am I just being New York paranoid?

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RE: Bt keyboard question

[chrisjudge1967]

Which is the options key on apple keyboards.

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Sent: November 17, 2022 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bt keyboard question

Hey Alex, the VO, or voice over keyboard command is a set of two keys held 
down. It seems to vary, depending on the device and the keyboard. Sometimes the 
VO keys are the first and the third key, sometimes the first and the fourth 
key, and on most, Apple keyboards, the second and third key. When I mentioned 
the right VO key, it would be the right hand key that you would use for the 
voiceover combination. So if your device uses the first and third key for the 
voice over command, then it would be the third key would be your right VO key. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:38 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Tom, I remembered the 1st bit but not the 2md, out of interest, 
> what’s the right-hand vo kye?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:15, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, so there are two parts. The first one is using the VO keys and the 
>> letter M to go to the status bar. The next step is to use just the right VO 
>> key and the down arrow to simulate a three finger swipe up and that should 
>> open the control center.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth keyboard in 
>>> iOS 16? I’m sure there used to be a command, but I can’t remember what it 
>>> is.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Is this a potential security problem?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard,

Yes, they usually have an expiry date, but they are good for several years. We 
sell hundreds of cans of bear spray a year and it's basically the same thing 
and many of the bear spray manufacturers like Counter Assault, Bear Guard and 
so on also make smaller cans of spray for protections against dogs or other 
undesirable animals (after all humans are also animals).


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is this a potential security problem?

Kelly,
Have you ever had to use the pepper spray?

How do you avoid blow-back from the spray?

How long are the cans good for?  Any concerns about them failing to work 
because they are too old?

Personal crimes are up everywhere, so this is good information to have if you 
tend to walk alone a lot.





Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 8:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a potential security problem?

I have been a victim advocate in Chicago for more than 25 years.
Criminals seem to target blind people less often for robberies because a blind 
person does not know that a gun is pointed at them or that a criminal is 
displaying an unsheathed knife. This needs to be explained and described to the 
blind person before they comply with the criminal. They want to act quickly and 
disappear and the extra communications needed for compliance requires extra 
time and hassle.

More likely, the blind person will experience theft when a phone is left on a 
table at a public place like a restaurant and a criminal picks it up and runs 
away with the phone. Phones left in coats or unattended backpacks are also in 
jeopardy of theft. Another theft possibility is when a blind person is casually 
using the phone on a train or a bus and the criminal yanks it out of the user’s 
hand and runs away when the door is open. As mentioned, a common way to avoid 
phone robberies is to avoid using the iPhone in public. When it needs to be 
used, such as with a navigation app, the phone should be in a pocket or held 
closely near the body with a hand firmly grasping it.
Sighted criminals target those who are flashy with their Apple tech.
I also have a strategy to prevent criminals from getting in my face and causing 
problems to my safety. I carry around a two or three ounce can of Heatwave 
brand pepper spray, Napalm strength. This is way more intense then the pepper 
spray sold in most retail stores and even more intense and painful than the 
pepper spray police use.  Fox is another good brand. These pepper sprays drop 
bad guys in seconds because they strip the protective oily layer on the surface 
of the skin so pain is felt immediately. I get the fog version as a blind 
person because it is difficult to aim a stream accurately. A three second blast 
of Heatwave Napalm strength to a criminal putting a phone up to my face will 
cause him to drop the iPhone and writhe in an inescapable cloud of intense and 
sustained pain. Small belt pouches are sold for pepper spray cans so the 
container is easily available within arm’s reach.

Kelly




On 11/16/22, Dennis Long  wrote:
> If you are that paranoid ditch your smart phone get a flip phone and 
> call it a day.  I've never heard of this happening.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Steve Matzura
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 4:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is this a potential security problem?
>
> Often I hear stories in the news of people who are mugged and their 
> phones stolen. If someone's phone is stolen, what's to prevent the 
> mugger from snatching the phone, holding the phone up to their face, 
> and unlocking it with Face ID, then taking off and disappearing with 
> an unlocked phone and access to all the information contained therein?
> If a visually impaired person loses their phone, this is not an 
> unlikely scenario as the mugger can take the device and just wait 
> around and follow the visually impaired person without them knowing 
> it, then, when the time is right, whip out the phone and get it 
> unlocked without the owner ever even knowing it happened. Might it not 
> be a bad idea to disable unlocking with Face ID? Or am I just being New York 
> paranoid?
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RE: Is this a potential security problem?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Kelly,

Keep in mind that if a guy is in your face so to speak and you sprayed him in 
that close proximity with your fancy pepper spray you'd most likely be on the 
ground right along side him.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 8:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a potential security problem?

I have been a victim advocate in Chicago for more than 25 years.
Criminals seem to target blind people less often for robberies because a blind 
person does not know that a gun is pointed at them or that a criminal is 
displaying an unsheathed knife. This needs to be explained and described to the 
blind person before they comply with the criminal. They want to act quickly and 
disappear and the extra communications needed for compliance requires extra 
time and hassle.

More likely, the blind person will experience theft when a phone is left on a 
table at a public place like a restaurant and a criminal picks it up and runs 
away with the phone. Phones left in coats or unattended backpacks are also in 
jeopardy of theft. Another theft possibility is when a blind person is casually 
using the phone on a train or a bus and the criminal yanks it out of the user’s 
hand and runs away when the door is open. As mentioned, a common way to avoid 
phone robberies is to avoid using the iPhone in public. When it needs to be 
used, such as with a navigation app, the phone should be in a pocket or held 
closely near the body with a hand firmly grasping it.
Sighted criminals target those who are flashy with their Apple tech.
I also have a strategy to prevent criminals from getting in my face and causing 
problems to my safety. I carry around a two or three ounce can of Heatwave 
brand pepper spray, Napalm strength. This is way more intense then the pepper 
spray sold in most retail stores and even more intense and painful than the 
pepper spray police use.  Fox is another good brand. These pepper sprays drop 
bad guys in seconds because they strip the protective oily layer on the surface 
of the skin so pain is felt immediately. I get the fog version as a blind 
person because it is difficult to aim a stream accurately. A three second blast 
of Heatwave Napalm strength to a criminal putting a phone up to my face will 
cause him to drop the iPhone and writhe in an inescapable cloud of intense and 
sustained pain. Small belt pouches are sold for pepper spray cans so the 
container is easily available within arm’s reach.

Kelly




On 11/16/22, Dennis Long  wrote:
> If you are that paranoid ditch your smart phone get a flip phone and 
> call it a day.  I've never heard of this happening.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Steve Matzura
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 4:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is this a potential security problem?
>
> Often I hear stories in the news of people who are mugged and their 
> phones stolen. If someone's phone is stolen, what's to prevent the 
> mugger from snatching the phone, holding the phone up to their face, 
> and unlocking it with Face ID, then taking off and disappearing with 
> an unlocked phone and access to all the information contained therein? 
> If a visually impaired person loses their phone, this is not an 
> unlikely scenario as the mugger can take the device and just wait 
> around and follow the visually impaired person without them knowing 
> it, then, when the time is right, whip out the phone and get it 
> unlocked without the owner ever even knowing it happened. Might it not 
> be a bad idea to disable unlocking with Face ID? Or am I just being New York 
> paranoid?
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RE: Is this a potential security problem?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard,

As for screen curtain or Voiceover I have said this before and I still maintain 
this opinion that if somebody specializes on steeling iPhones they can easily 
learn about such features. It's not difficult to find this information online.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a potential security problem?

My initial reaction was that you are being New York paranoid.
It is just as likely that a mugger could wack a blind person on the head, and 
put their finger on the device to unlock it if it has the home button.
I've never heard of either thing happening anywhere.
And, good luck to the thief who knows nothing about VoiceOver doing anything 
with the phone. Which leads me to my personal approach. The screen curtain is 
always on unless I need a sighted person's help, or want to show them 
something. So, again, good luck to the person who could use face ID to unlock 
my phone only to find a blank screen and something jabbering at them.
Also, if you are holding your phone out in front of you, rather than wearing it 
in a harness for orientation or directions, you are putting yourself more at 
risk.




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On Nov 16, 2022, at 1:20 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
Often I hear stories in the news of people who are mugged and their phones 
stolen. If someone's phone is stolen, what's to prevent the mugger from 
snatching the phone, holding the phone up to their face, and unlocking it with 
Face ID, then taking off and disappearing with an unlocked phone and access to 
all the information contained therein? If a visually impaired person loses 
their phone, this is not an unlikely scenario as the mugger can take the device 
and just wait around and follow the visually impaired person without them 
knowing it, then, when the time is right, whip out the phone and get it 
unlocked without the owner ever even knowing it happened. Might it not be a bad 
idea to disable unlocking with Face ID? Or am I just being New York paranoid?

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RE: Is this a potential security problem?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Theoretically I assume this could be done although the thief then better make 
sure the phone never locks because even if he can unlock it this way, you still 
can't get into Settings > Face Id and Passcode to disable Face Id or switch it 
to a different face since getting into this are requires you to enter the 
passcode.
Also, how long has Face Id been around? I think it was since the iPhone X in 
2017 so 5 years and have you ever heard on this list or elsewhere that this has 
been done? I am pretty sure if thieves made this their specialty one would hear 
about it.
Lastly, especially with a blind or visually impaired person, if thieves 
targeted them what would prevent them to corner them in a quiet place and grab 
their hand to unlock a Touch Id phone or simply to ask them to give them their 
passcode? I know there is still a difference between a grab and run and using 
more forceful methods including maybe a punch or two, but I am sure plenty of 
people would probably volunteer their passcode if they got a slap or punch in 
the face with a thread of worse to come or even if the thief put a knife to 
their throat threatening to cut them if they didn't give them their passcode.
I think the more important thing is to not put your phone on the restaurant 
table next to you while you are having lunch or dinner since I have definitely 
heard of phones getting snatched this way and also to simply make sure you keep 
track of your phone.
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Subject: Is this a potential security problem?

Often I hear stories in the news of people who are mugged and their phones 
stolen. If someone's phone is stolen, what's to prevent the mugger from 
snatching the phone, holding the phone up to their face, and unlocking it with 
Face ID, then taking off and disappearing with an unlocked phone and access to 
all the information contained therein? If a visually impaired person loses 
their phone, this is not an unlikely scenario as the mugger can take the device 
and just wait around and follow the visually impaired person without them 
knowing it, then, when the time is right, whip out the phone and get it 
unlocked without the owner ever even knowing it happened. Might it not be a bad 
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RE: To use app switcher is still 3-finger swipe up?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Swipe up with 1 finger. Place your finger near the bottom and when  you hear 
the tone swipe up.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 11:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: To use app switcher is still 3-finger swipe up?

In ios 15 it worked out fine, but in 16 it doesn’t. When I do 3 fingers up 
nothing happens, and I only hear a noise. I never hear or feel any vibration.
What can I do?

Rena


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Subject: RE: To use app switcher is still 3-finger swipe up?

It is, and this is still working for me since I moved up to IOS 16. Was it 
working for you with IOS 15? If so then you shouldn’t be doing anything wrong, 
since it should work exactly the same. Put your finger at the very bottom of 
the screen and then move it up until you feel the second vibration. Lift your
Finger, and you should be in the App Switcher. When you try this gesture, what 
are you getting?
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: To use app switcher is still 3-finger swipe up?

Hello

Since I have iOS 16 this command is not working for me, or perhaps am I doing 
anything wrong?

Rena

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RE: Voice problems

[rhs via VIPhone]

I'm using Siri #1 for both Siri and VO.

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Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 7:44 AM
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Subject: Re: Voice problems

You are probably using the enhanced Samantha.  Try changing it to the regular 
version.


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On 11/18/2022 8:34 AM, rhs via VIPhone wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yesterday I updated my iPhone XR to the latest IOS.  Voice Over now sounds 
> like it has been smoking for 50 years or something.  Is there a way to clear 
> this up?  I have tried a couple different voices and it doesn't help.  What's 
> strange is that Siri's voice still sounds fine, even though it's the same 
> voice Voice over is using.
>
> Thanks.
>

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Alexa Reporting Time An Hour Ahead?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, Group.

I updated Alexa this morning and now she reports time from Nountain Time
Zone instead of Pacific Time Zone. How can I fix this, please?

Thanks!

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Re: Voice problems

[Maria Campbell]

You are probably using the enhanced Samantha.  Try changing it to the 
regular version.



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On 11/18/2022 8:34 AM, rhs via VIPhone wrote:

Hi,

Yesterday I updated my iPhone XR to the latest IOS.  Voice Over now sounds like 
it has been smoking for 50 years or something.  Is there a way to clear this 
up?  I have tried a couple different voices and it doesn't help.  What's 
strange is that Siri's voice still sounds fine, even though it's the same voice 
Voice over is using.

Thanks.



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Voice problems

[rhs via VIPhone]

Hi,

Yesterday I updated my iPhone XR to the latest IOS.  Voice Over now sounds like 
it has been smoking for 50 years or something.  Is there a way to clear this 
up?  I have tried a couple different voices and it doesn't help.  What's 
strange is that Siri's voice still sounds fine, even though it's the same voice 
Voice over is using.

Thanks.

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