RE: Apple TV without a physical screen?

2022-11-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
You should be able to get an HDMI to Optical adapter. Which soundbar do you 
have, is it a Sonos? If so it must be the older Playbar or the Playbase, those 
were connected to the TV with an optical connection.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joney 
Owen
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 1:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Darn. That means that since I only have the optical cable connections on my 
sound bar, it won’t work. :-(

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2022, at 4:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these gadgets 
> I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, hook it up 
> to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has and see if 
> it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund or look into 
> whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it work.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Bullis
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?
> 
> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You connect 
> an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your audio out 
> through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or gaming consoles 
> don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have them for some 
> external speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:
> ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +... 
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen  wrote:
> 
> I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. 
> We scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not 
> wanted. However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out 
> differently, please let me know.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930
>> 
>> I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just 
>> trying it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.
>> 
>> I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our 
>> Smart TV in our living room...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Does anyone know if the Apple TV will work if it is plugged directly into a  
>> soundbar such as one of the Sonos devices rather than into a  tv and thence 
>> to a soundbar?
>> 
>> I am trying to create a TV sound receiver for a small bedroom and don't want 
>> a  full sized TV screen as I can't see it anyway.
>> 
>> I am suspicious that the Apple TV box will complain because it can't see a 
>> display device..
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
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RE: Apple TV without a physical screen?

2022-11-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Yes, it would work because that is what receivers are made for just as HDMI 
inputs on TV's are made for this. 
Anyways, I have a feeling with the secondor third generation Apple TV 4K you 
will be able to plug it straight into a Sonos Beam or Arc, but hopefully Gary 
will report back once he has picked up his Beam and tried it.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Ford
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 1:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hi,

For what it is worth, I do have my Apple TV plugged into the HDMI port of my 
receiver.  This is a Marantz receiver.  This works fine with the Apple device 
and does not require my TV to be connected or on for the Apple device to work.  
The Apple device is the newest 4K unit.


> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
> what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version which 
> arrived last week.
> 
> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and 
> the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% 
> faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a 
> sound only system.
> 
> I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
> Friday and will report back on what happens.
> 
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
>> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
>> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
>> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these gadgets 
>> I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, hook it 
>> up to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has and see 
>> if it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund or look 
>> into whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it work.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Matthew Bullis
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>> 
>> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You 
>> connect an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your 
>> audio out through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or 
>> gaming consoles don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have 
>> them for some external speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:
>> ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +... 
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen  wrote:
>> 
>> I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. 
>> We scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not 
>> wanted. However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out 
>> differently, please let me know.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930
>>> 
>>> I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just 
>>> trying it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.
>>> 
>>> I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our 
>>> Smart TV in our living room...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know if the Apple TV will work if it is plugged directly into a 
>>>  soundbar such as one of the Sonos devices rather than into a  tv and 
>>> thence to a soundbar?
>>> 
>>> I am trying to create a TV sound receiver for a small bedroom and don't 
>>> want a  full sized TV screen as I can't see it anyway.
>>> 
>>> I am suspicious that the Apple TV box will complain because it can't see a 
>>> display device..
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> 
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RE: Apple TV without a physical screen?

2022-11-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Yes, they do have good deals for those who are not yet invested in Sonos. I was 
hoping to get the 20% off the new Sub Mini, but no such luck, the only deal I 
saw here in Canada is a little over 10% off and then you have to buy it with a 
set of Sonos One or Sonos SL speakers and I don't need them. Oh well, I think I 
may have some older Sonos One first generation speakers and I could use the 15% 
upgrade credit Sonos offers to buy a Sub Mini and then sell them since I 
currently have more Sonos speakers than I really need or use.

-Original Message-
From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 1:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hello all,

Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version which 
arrived last week.

I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and the 
speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% faster 
than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a sound only 
system.

I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
Friday and will report back on what happens.


Gary


On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these gadgets 
> I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, hook it up 
> to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has and see if 
> it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund or look into 
> whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it work.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Bullis
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>
> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You connect 
> an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your audio out 
> through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or gaming consoles 
> don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have them for some 
> external speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:
> ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +... 
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
> Matthew
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen  wrote:
>
> I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. 
> We scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not 
> wanted. However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out 
> differently, please let me know.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930
>>
>> I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just 
>> trying it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.
>>
>> I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our 
>> Smart TV in our living room...
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anyone know if the Apple TV will work if it is plugged directly into a  
>> soundbar such as one of the Sonos devices rather than into a  tv and thence 
>> to a soundbar?
>>
>> I am trying to create a TV sound receiver for a small bedroom and don't want 
>> a  full sized TV screen as I can't see it anyway.
>>
>> I am suspicious that the Apple TV box will complain because it can't see a 
>> display device..
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Gary
>>
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RE: Apple TV without a physical screen?

2022-11-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Given Apple has a 30-day return policy you could always try it if you don't get 
a definite answer. My guess is that it would work. The only Sonos soundbars 
with an HDMI input are the Arc and the Beam, the smaller/less expensive Ray 
does not have an HDMI input.
Do you already have another Apple TV with a TV connected and a Sonos setup 
elsewhere in the house? If so  you could always whatever you want to listen to 
there and group any Sonos speaker you want even if it were just a single Sonos 
SL which I believe would be the cheapest Sonos speaker you can buy.
If my TV wasn't mounted inside a cabinet with very little clearance which makes 
it more difficult to unplug things and plug them back in I'd try it because we 
have a Sonos Arc, but our Apple TV is connected by HDMI to the TV and then the 
Sonos Arc is connected also by HDMI to the eARC port of our LG Tv. I am most 
likely going to upgrade to the recently released Apple TV 4K as ours is if I 
remember correctly the first Generation Apple TV 4K which was released in 2017 
with the A10X processor, then they released the second Gen with the A12X 
processor just last year and this year the third generation with the A15X CPU 
which I understand is very noticeably faster and of course it comes with the 
new remote. If I do I can try to connect it directly to the Arc before I put it 
in place and hide all the cables behind our cabinet.


-Original Message-
From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone  
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hi all,

Does anyone know if the Apple TV will work if it is plugged directly into a  
soundbar such as one of the Sonos devices rather than into a  tv and thence to 
a soundbar?

I am trying to create a TV sound receiver for a small bedroom and don't want a  
full sized TV screen as I can't see it anyway.

I am suspicious that the Apple TV box will complain because it can't see a 
display device..

Thanks

Gary

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Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

2022-11-20 Thread Kelly Ford 
Hi,

For what it is worth, I do have my Apple TV plugged into the HDMI port of my 
receiver.  This is a Marantz receiver.  This works fine with the Apple device 
and does not require my TV to be connected or on for the Apple device to work.  
The Apple device is the newest 4K unit.


> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
> what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version which 
> arrived last week.
> 
> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and 
> the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% 
> faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a 
> sound only system.
> 
> I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
> Friday and will report back on what happens.
> 
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
>> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
>> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
>> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these gadgets 
>> I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, hook it 
>> up to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has and see 
>> if it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund or look 
>> into whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it work.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Matthew Bullis
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>> 
>> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You 
>> connect an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your 
>> audio out through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or 
>> gaming consoles don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have 
>> them for some external speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:
>> ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +... 
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen  wrote:
>> 
>> I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. 
>> We scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not 
>> wanted. However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out 
>> differently, please let me know.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930
>>> 
>>> I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just 
>>> trying it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.
>>> 
>>> I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our 
>>> Smart TV in our living room...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know if the Apple TV will work if it is plugged directly into a 
>>>  soundbar such as one of the Sonos devices rather than into a  tv and 
>>> thence to a soundbar?
>>> 
>>> I am trying to create a TV sound receiver for a small bedroom and don't 
>>> want a  full sized TV screen as I can't see it anyway.
>>> 
>>> I am suspicious that the Apple TV box will complain because it can't see a 
>>> display device..
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> 
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Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

2022-11-20 Thread Joney Owen 
Darn. That means that since I only have the optical cable connections on my 
sound bar, it won’t work. :-(

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2022, at 4:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these gadgets 
> I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, hook it up 
> to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has and see if 
> it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund or look into 
> whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it work.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Bullis
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?
> 
> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You connect 
> an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your audio out 
> through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or gaming consoles 
> don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have them for some 
> external speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:
> ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +... 
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen  wrote:
> 
> I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. 
> We scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not 
> wanted. However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out 
> differently, please let me know.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930
>> 
>> I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just 
>> trying it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.
>> 
>> I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our 
>> Smart TV in our living room...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Does anyone know if the Apple TV will work if it is plugged directly into a  
>> soundbar such as one of the Sonos devices rather than into a  tv and thence 
>> to a soundbar?
>> 
>> I am trying to create a TV sound receiver for a small bedroom and don't want 
>> a  full sized TV screen as I can't see it anyway.
>> 
>> I am suspicious that the Apple TV box will complain because it can't see a 
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Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

2022-11-20 Thread 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 

Hello all,

Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its 
some what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K 
version which arrived last week.


I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote 
and the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is 
some 30% faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could 
create a sound only system.


I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this 
Black Friday and will report back on what happens.



Gary


On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have only 
HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the audio 
coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, but 
whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these gadgets I 
would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, hook it up to 
my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has and see if it 
works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund or look into 
whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it work.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Matthew 
Bullis
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You connect 
an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your audio out 
through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or gaming consoles 
don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have them for some external 
speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:
ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +... 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Matthew


On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen  wrote:

I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. We 
scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not wanted. 
However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out differently, 
please let me know.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930

I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just trying 
it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.

I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our Smart 
TV in our living room...



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-Original Message-
From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hi all,

Does anyone know if the Apple TV will work if it is plugged directly into a  
soundbar such as one of the Sonos devices rather than into a  tv and thence to 
a soundbar?

I am trying to create a TV sound receiver for a small bedroom and don't want a  
full sized TV screen as I can't see it anyway.

I am suspicious that the Apple TV box will complain because it can't see a 
display device..

Thanks

Gary

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RE: Apple TV without a physical screen?

2022-11-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have only 
HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the audio 
coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, but 
whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these gadgets I 
would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, hook it up to 
my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has and see if it 
works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund or look into 
whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it work.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Matthew 
Bullis
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You connect 
an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your audio out 
through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or gaming consoles 
don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have them for some external 
speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:
ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +... 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Matthew


On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen  wrote:

I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. We 
scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not wanted. 
However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out differently, 
please let me know.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930
> 
> I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just 
> trying it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.
> 
> I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our 
> Smart TV in our living room...
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone know if the Apple TV will work if it is plugged directly into a  
> soundbar such as one of the Sonos devices rather than into a  tv and thence 
> to a soundbar?
> 
> I am trying to create a TV sound receiver for a small bedroom and don't want 
> a  full sized TV screen as I can't see it anyway.
> 
> I am suspicious that the Apple TV box will complain because it can't see a 
> display device..
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Gary
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RE: Apple TV without a physical screen?

2022-11-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Hi again,

So it would seem that you cannot plug an Apple TV directly into the HDMI port 
of a Sonos Beam or Arc. Here is part of an article I found on iMore:

Can you use Sonos Beam with Apple TV?
Best Answer: Yes! While the Sonos Beam doesn't work directly with the Apple TV, 
there is a workaround. Basically, you plug in the Apple TV to your TV via HDMI. 
Then, plug your Sonos Beam into your TV through the HDMI-ARC port, ensuring 
that HDMI-CEC is enabled (this allows devices to work better together).
If everything is working as it should, the audio from your Apple TV should go 
to the TV, relaying it through the Sonos Beam. If your TV is older than five 
years or doesn't have an HDMI-ARC connection, you need to use an optical audio 
adapter included with the Beam.

Question: So I can't just plug in my Beam to the Apple TV itself?
Unfortunately not. The Sonos Beam must get plugged in through an HDMI-ARC 
connection, which even the best Apple TV doesn't have, but most modern TVs do. 
HDMI-ARC (Audio Return Channel) is a special signal unique to TVs and therefore 
gets a different label than a typical HDMI port.

I forgot to check when this article was written, but another Google search 
indicates that the Apple TV 4K 2nd Generation which was released in 2021 as 
well as the newly released Apple TV 4K 3rd Gen do in fact have and support 
HDMI-ARC as well as e-ARC (enhanced audio return channel). If this is so a 2nd 
Gen or brand-new 3rd Gen Apple TV 4K may very well work if directly connected 
to a Sonos Beam, Arc or Sonos Amp. Just make sure you have an HDMI cable which 
is capable of this, the one which comes with your Sonos soundbar should be 
fine. 

Alternatively you can get these splitters/audio extractors where you connect 
your Apple TV to the audio extractor and it then has most likely even analogue 
outputs, but then you may need another adapter to go from the audio extractor 
to your Beam or you could of course get a Sonos Five which has a 3.5mm audio 
input or a Sonos Port which has both analogue RCA inputs (the old left and 
right, red/white) as well as Coax digital inputs. However, then you have to 
also connect powered speakers to the Sonos Port unless you in turn connect it 
to an existing receiver or amplifier which has speakers connected.
What I am saying is that almost everything is possible, but it may not always 
be practical.

-Original Message-
From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone  
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hi all,

Does anyone know if the Apple TV will work if it is plugged directly into a  
soundbar such as one of the Sonos devices rather than into a  tv and thence to 
a soundbar?

I am trying to create a TV sound receiver for a small bedroom and don't want a  
full sized TV screen as I can't see it anyway.

I am suspicious that the Apple TV box will complain because it can't see a 
display device..

Thanks

Gary

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RE: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

2022-11-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
You can't report issues with beta versions to 
accessibil...@apple.com, if you use a beta 
version you have to use the Feedback app because Apple Accessibility will 
simply ignore it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 10:52 AM
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Subject: RE: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

Hi sieghard

Then please do report again and again to accessibility even if you had already 
done so. Why? Because it is needed while this is a new public beta in which 
problems were not addressed. Maybe it is better to report to accessibility 
because our problems are more specific tot hem as tot he beta program but I 
admit maybe I am wrong saying this?
Davy

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: zaterdag 19 november 2022 18:38
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

Hi Richard, as of iOS 16.2 Beta 3 this reading of incorrect text in email 
preview is still present.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

The first item is a known issue. Apple is aware of this and hopes to have it 
resolved in the next release.
Like Alan, I don't do the other things you mention; but I've seen the heading 
issue in other places at times.
If you have not, report these to 
accessibil...@apple.com



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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
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On Nov 18, 2022, at 9:52 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Joe,

I and others are definitely replicating your first item regarding the native 
Mail app's incorrect Voiceover preview of a message with focus. I'm not really 
doing the other items you mentioned so cannot comment on them.

I've been meaning to report the Mail preview bug to Apple Accessibility so 
thanks for the reminder.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Joe 
Orozco
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 11:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

Hi, are you seeing these bugs on your end?

1. As you’re swiping through emails on the native Mail app, Voiceover will read 
the correct sender and subject line, but the message preview is completely 
different from the actual email. The problem is inconsistent but presents 
itself across multiple messages in the chosen inbox. The problem exists across 
all email accounts being used. In fact, the inaccurate message summaries 
sometimes pull from completely different email accounts.

2. If you tap Add contact when sending an email or text message, Voiceover 
refuses to navigate by heading. True, you can use the search function as 
opposed to navigating the length of your contacts, but navigating by headers is 
useful when forgetting the exact spelling of an uncommon contact's name. 
Voiceover simply continues to say "no headings."

3. Voiceover is jumping to the bottom of the screen when attempting to navigate 
longer emails. You have to swipe down with three fingers to scroll further down 
in the message and then back track to try to read the portions of the email 
voiceover skipped.

I keep hoping the issues will be fixed with subsequent iOS 16 updates, but 
alas, no luck so far. Before reporting to Apple, is anyone else experiencing 
these glitches?

Thank you in advance for any feedback.

Best,

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RE: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

2022-11-20 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Just saying it has not yet been fixed in 16.2 public beta 3, but I assume there 
will still be at least 2 or most likely 3 more public beta releases before 16.2 
is released which is expected the week of December 12 so still lots of chances 
for them to get it fixed. Anyways, for me it still works I would say 8 out of 
10 times so I left the preview on because it is typically very apparent if the 
wrong content is read in which case I can simply open the email to read it, but 
in most cases it's still useful. I still use dictation all the time although it 
makes lots of mistakes, but when everything is said and one I still find it 
easier and quicker to use it even though I may have to correct some stuff.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

That is sad news indeed.
I’ve turned off previewing lines because of this bug.




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

Hi Richard, as of iOS 16.2 Beta 3 this reading of incorrect text in email 
preview is still present.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

The first item is a known issue. Apple is aware of this and hopes to have it 
resolved in the next release.
Like Alan, I don't do the other things you mention; but I've seen the heading 
issue in other places at times.
If you have not, report these to 
accessibil...@apple.com



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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
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On Nov 18, 2022, at 9:52 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Joe,

I and others are definitely replicating your first item regarding the native 
Mail app's incorrect Voiceover preview of a message with focus. I'm not really 
doing the other items you mentioned so cannot comment on them.

I've been meaning to report the Mail preview bug to Apple Accessibility so 
thanks for the reminder.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Joe 
Orozco
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 11:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

Hi, are you seeing these bugs on your end?

1. As you’re swiping through emails on the native Mail app, Voiceover will read 
the correct sender and subject line, but the message preview is completely 
different from the actual email. The problem is inconsistent but presents 
itself across multiple messages in the chosen inbox. The problem exists across 
all email accounts being used. In fact, the inaccurate message summaries 
sometimes pull from completely different email accounts.

2. If you tap Add contact when sending an email or text message, Voiceover 
refuses to navigate by heading. True, you can use the search function as 
opposed to navigating the length of your contacts, but navigating by headers is 
useful when forgetting the exact spelling of an uncommon contact's name. 
Voiceover simply continues to say "no headings."

3. Voiceover is jumping to the bottom of the screen when attempting to navigate 
longer emails. You have to swipe down with three fingers to scroll further down 
in the message and then back track to try to read the portions of the email 
voiceover skipped.

I keep hoping the issues will be fixed with subsequent iOS 16 updates, but 
alas, no luck so far. Before reporting to Apple, is anyone else experiencing 
these glitches?

Thank you in advance for any feedback.

Best,

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RE: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

2022-11-20 Thread davycuppens 
Hi sieghard 

 

Then please do report again and again to accessibility even if you had already 
done so. Why? Because it is needed while this is a new public beta in which 
problems were not addressed. Maybe it is better to report to accessibility 
because our problems are more specific tot hem as tot he beta program but I 
admit maybe I am wrong saying this?

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: zaterdag 19 november 2022 18:38
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

 

Hi Richard, as of iOS 16.2 Beta 3 this reading of incorrect text in email 
preview is still present.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

 

The first item is a known issue. Apple is aware of this and hopes to have it 
resolved in the next release. 

Like Alan, I don't do the other things you mention; but I've seen the heading 
issue in other places at times.

If you have not, report these to accessibil...@apple.com 
 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On Nov 18, 2022, at 9:52 PM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Joe,

I and others are definitely replicating your first item regarding the native 
Mail app's incorrect Voiceover preview of a message with focus. I'm not really 
doing the other items you mentioned so cannot comment on them.

I've been meaning to report the Mail preview bug to Apple Accessibility so 
thanks for the reminder.

Alan Lemly

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Subject: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

Hi, are you seeing these bugs on your end?

1. As you’re swiping through emails on the native Mail app, Voiceover will read 
the correct sender and subject line, but the message preview is completely 
different from the actual email. The problem is inconsistent but presents 
itself across multiple messages in the chosen inbox. The problem exists across 
all email accounts being used. In fact, the inaccurate message summaries 
sometimes pull from completely different email accounts.

2. If you tap Add contact when sending an email or text message, Voiceover 
refuses to navigate by heading. True, you can use the search function as 
opposed to navigating the length of your contacts, but navigating by headers is 
useful when forgetting the exact spelling of an uncommon contact's name. 
Voiceover simply continues to say "no headings."

3. Voiceover is jumping to the bottom of the screen when attempting to navigate 
longer emails. You have to swipe down with three fingers to scroll further down 
in the message and then back track to try to read the portions of the email 
voiceover skipped.

I keep hoping the issues will be fixed with subsequent iOS 16 updates, but 
alas, no luck so far. Before reporting to Apple, is anyone else experiencing 
these glitches?

Thank you in advance for any feedback.

Best,

Joe


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RE: Any possibility of RIVO3 to come in near future?

2022-11-20 Thread Dennis Long 
I'm wondering if Rivo is still in business.  I've emailed them and I saw 
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Any possibility of RIVO3 to come in near future?

2022-11-20 Thread Mohib Anwar Rafay 
i would like to know about the next generation of RIVO keypad. If
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RE: Screen recognition

2022-11-20 Thread Malcolm Parfitt 
Hello,
Go into Settings, Accessibility and Voiceover.

>From here navigate to Voiceover Recognition and double tap.
Double tap here.

Make sure Screen Recognition is on.

Now swipe through this screen until you reach Apply to Apps.

Double tap here and Voiceover should say Apply to Apps heading.

If you swipe through this screen you should have a list of apps on your device.

You can double tap each app in the list to toggle Screen Recognition on/off for 
each app.

Once you have made your selections double Back in the top left corner.

Hope this helps.

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Can anyone tell me how to turn off screen recognition off for a specific app? 
I’ve been round and round voiceover settings, and I can’t work it out.

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