RE: Losing Speech When Making a Call

2023-03-26 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
When you say you move your finger all over the screen, do you do this when you 
are  holding the phone close to your ear?
If so the answer is relatively simple. The iPhone has a so-called proximity 
sensor which is right by the earpiece and when  you hold the phone to your ear 
it locks the screen because otherwise you would potentially activate buttons on 
the screen with your ear or other parts of your face which touch the phone.
If you take the iPhone away from your ear the screen becomes usable and since 
most blind users find it easier, by default the call switches to speakerphone. 
A sighted person would actually have to touch the speakerphone button and if 
you don't want this to happen, then you can turn this feature off in Voiceover 
Settings.
You might want to try and make a call with the Apple Earpods or a Bluetooth 
headset if you have one and you will find that you can use the screen and hear 
Voiceover no problem.
If Voiceove rvolume is not loud enough, you can turn the rotor to volume and 
flick up to raise Voiceover volume 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Evan 
Reese
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 1:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Losing Speech When Making a Call

Hello,

I got a new iPhone 12 on Monday, and just got cell service set up on Friday. 
I've had an iPad Mini for some years, so I'm familiar with iOS, but there's 
quite a bit I still have to learn about the phone part of it.

I'm having a bit of a problem. It seems that when I make a call, I hear 
Voiceover say the number in the little speaker by my ear, then speech 
disappears. I move my finger all over the screen and I hear nothing from 
Voiceover. So I can't hang up a call, or pick a number from a menu, or do 
anything at all. When the person I've called hangs up, speech comes back right 
away.

A friend of mine says that she's having the same problem. But another friend of 
mine says that he isn't. So he thinks that perhaps there's some setting that we 
changed that might be affecting speech when a call is made.

Anybody seen this behavior and got any ideas as to how to fix it?

Thanks much.

Evan


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Re: Oops. Audioeye?

2023-03-26 Thread CHELA Robles
Well, I don’t work for them anymore. They hated the fact that I wasn’t too 
technical enough for them. I did base my feedback on my thoughts on how 
websites should be accessible but anyway that’s a different kind of worms to 
open or rather balls to

SentWell, I don’t work for them anymore. They hated the fact that I wasn’t too 
technical enough for them. I did base my feedback on my thoughts on how 
websites should be accessible but anyway that’s a different can of worms to 
open or rather balls to dodge.
 Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 26, 2023, at 12:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Can you provide a link to a website which is using AudioEye?
> My website uses another such services called "Accessiby" and typically there 
> is not really anything you need to learn, you just press a keyboard shortcut 
> which should be announced or there could be a button or buttons like "Enable 
> Accessibility for Visually Impaired" and which makes the website more 
> accessible.
> Here is an example:
> 
> https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/
> 
> If you look near the top of the site, you find the following:
> 
> Enable accessibility for visually impaired   Button   
> Open the accessibility menu   Button   
> Open the Accessible Navigation Menu   Button   
> Accessibility Menu   Button   
> Close the accessibility menu   Button   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 8:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Oops. Audioeye?
> 
> Thanks Chela,
> 
> Can you tell me how to use Audioeye?I’d like to ignore it but it seems to get 
> in my way.  
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 5:58 PM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>> 
>> It means that the website has the AudioEye accessible overlay. The owners 
>> of the website is under contract with that particular company to make the 
>> website follow accessible guidelines. How I know this is because I used to 
>> work for AudioEye testing for screenreader useability. I don’t anymore, 
>> though I am solely focused on trying to get certified as a literary braille, 
>> transcriber and proofreader through the national library service for the 
>> print disabled and the national Federation of the Blind. Workin Working for 
>> that company testing websites was only for a season for me eight months. At 
>> least I made enough to get myself a new Apple Watch for my birthday this 
>> year.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 25, 2023, at 3:42 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oops.  I just arrowed through the spelling and it’s not A I but rather 
>>> Audioeye.  At any rate, what is this and what do I do with it?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kim
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Re: Accessible Internal Map for Two Holy Mosque (Haramain Sharifain of Makkah & Madinah KSA?

2023-03-26 Thread TaraPrakash
I don’t think so. As much as I know, cell phones are not allowed especially in the Great Mosque of Mecca(kaaba) and Madina Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 26, 2023, at 8:29 AM, Fazil M.  wrote:
Hi, Group.Do we have any accessible internal maps for the Two Holy Mosques (Haramain-Sharifain) of Mekkah and Madinah, Kingdom of Saudi Arab?Any help is much appreciated.Thanks!



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Losing Speech When Making a Call

2023-03-26 Thread Evan Reese

Hello,

I got a new iPhone 12 on Monday, and just got cell service set up on 
Friday. I've had an iPad Mini for some years, so I'm familiar with iOS, 
but there's quite a bit I still have to learn about the phone part of it.


I'm having a bit of a problem. It seems that when I make a call, I hear 
Voiceover say the number in the little speaker by my ear, then speech 
disappears. I move my finger all over the screen and I hear nothing from 
Voiceover. So I can't hang up a call, or pick a number from a menu, or 
do anything at all. When the person I've called hangs up, speech comes 
back right away.


A friend of mine says that she's having the same problem. But another 
friend of mine says that he isn't. So he thinks that perhaps there's 
some setting that we changed that might be affecting speech when a call 
is made.


Anybody seen this behavior and got any ideas as to how to fix it?

Thanks much.

Evan


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RE: Accessible Internal Map for Two Holy Mosque (Haramain Sharifain of Makkah & Madinah KSA?

2023-03-26 Thread Fazil M.
I am sorry, no, I don’t have any contact information of theirs, even if I do, 
they don’t bother to reply.

Thanks!

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 12:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessible Internal Map for Two Holy Mosque (Haramain Sharifain of 
Makkah & Madinah KSA?

 

That is probably a question for which you may not get an answer on this list 
since Saudi Arabia is not a country which one can easily visit; have you tried 
to reach out to the Saudi government to ask? Unless these mosks have been 
equipped with beacons like those from NaviGuide or mapped the way GoodMaps uses 
for indoor navigation I doubt this would be the case.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 5:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Accessible Internal Map for Two Holy Mosque (Haramain Sharifain of 
Makkah & Madinah KSA?

 

Hi, Group.

Do we have any accessible internal maps for the Two Holy Mosques 
(Haramain-Sharifain) of Mekkah and Madinah, Kingdom of Saudi Arab?

Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks!

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RE: Accessible Internal Map for Two Holy Mosque (Haramain Sharifain of Makkah & Madinah KSA?

2023-03-26 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
That is probably a question for which you may not get an answer on this list 
since Saudi Arabia is not a country which one can easily visit; have you tried 
to reach out to the Saudi government to ask? Unless these mosks have been 
equipped with beacons like those from NaviGuide or mapped the way GoodMaps uses 
for indoor navigation I doubt this would be the case.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fazil M.
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 5:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessible Internal Map for Two Holy Mosque (Haramain Sharifain of 
Makkah & Madinah KSA?

Hi, Group.
Do we have any accessible internal maps for the Two Holy Mosques 
(Haramain-Sharifain) of Mekkah and Madinah, Kingdom of Saudi Arab?
Any help is much appreciated.
Thanks!
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RE: Oops. Audioeye?

2023-03-26 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Can you provide a link to a website which is using AudioEye?
My website uses another such services called "Accessiby" and typically there is 
not really anything you need to learn, you just press a keyboard shortcut which 
should be announced or there could be a button or buttons like "Enable 
Accessibility for Visually Impaired" and which makes the website more 
accessible.
Here is an example:

https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/

If you look near the top of the site, you find the following:

Enable accessibility for visually impaired   Button   
Open the accessibility menu   Button   
Open the Accessible Navigation Menu   Button   
Accessibility Menu   Button   
Close the accessibility menu   Button   

-Original Message-
From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Oops. Audioeye?

Thanks Chela,

Can you tell me how to use Audioeye?I’d like to ignore it but it seems to get 
in my way.  

> On Mar 25, 2023, at 5:58 PM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> It means that the website has the AudioEye accessible overlay. The owners of 
> the website is under contract with that particular company to make the 
> website follow accessible guidelines. How I know this is because I used to 
> work for AudioEye testing for screenreader useability. I don’t anymore, 
> though I am solely focused on trying to get certified as a literary braille, 
> transcriber and proofreader through the national library service for the 
> print disabled and the national Federation of the Blind. Workin Working for 
> that company testing websites was only for a season for me eight months. At 
> least I made enough to get myself a new Apple Watch for my birthday this year.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 3:42 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Oops.  I just arrowed through the spelling and it’s not A I but rather 
>> Audioeye.  At any rate, what is this and what do I do with it?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> Kim
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RE: Oops. Audioeye?

2023-03-26 Thread Richard Turner
That overlay is awful.
There is no good way to work with it.
The NFB has published an article concerning such overlays.
Resolution 2021-04: Regarding the Use of Overlays to Make Websites Accessible 
to the Blind
WHEREAS, companies such as EqualWeb, Max Access, UserWay, TruAbilities, 
AudioEye, and accessiBe are deploying overlays as a strategy to automate the 
task of making websites accessible—i.e., compliant with the Web Content 
Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) and the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA); 
and

WHEREAS, to make websites nonvisually accessible, overlays are intended among 
other things to identify unlabeled graphics and automatically attach readable 
text descriptions to them; to enable keyboard activation of links, buttons, 
expandable/collapsible menus, and other controls which have been incorrectly 
coded to be triggered only with a mouse; and to insert header tags (often used 
by the blind for quick and efficient navigation on web pages) where the print 
is highlighted or enlarged and not already marked as a heading; and

WHEREAS, in achieving nonvisual access, overlays today have their limitations; 
for example, they cannot determine when a picture that would be described 
generically as “two people standing in front of a building” should be described 
as “Sarah and George standing in front of Macy’s department store”; they cannot 
automatically add audio description to a video presentation; they can 
inappropriately apply headings to text that is not intended to function as a 
heading; they can misinterpret the layout of a table and improperly handle row 
or column headings; and they cannot accurately solve an inaccessible visual 
CAPTCHA; and

WHEREAS, the current inability of overlays to perform all of the tasks critical 
to nonvisual access means that, while they may help to make certain parts of a 
website nonvisually accessible, they alone cannot guarantee full nonvisual 
access to every website where they are deployed; and

WHEREAS, companies deploying overlays have attracted hundreds of thousands of 
customers by fostering the false idea that with one easy operation (e.g., 
inserting a small amount of code) their websites will be accessible and fully 
compliant with prevailing web content accessibility guidelines and, further, 
that they will be protected from lawsuits; and

WHEREAS, the companies deploying overlays have not, in any meaningful way,  
engaged with the accessibility community, not to mention the organized blind, 
to learn from a broad base of consumers whether or not overlays really improve 
the accessibility of websites; and

WHEREAS, as the use of overlays has grown, blind people have encountered an 
increasing number of websites where they have been prompted to turn on an 
accessibility or screen reader mode by pressing ALT+1, ALT+0, or some other key 
combination, but there is no readily-available information to tell them whose 
overlay is operating, how to report problems with the use of the overlay, 
whether or not the overlay is actually turned on, and how to disable the 
overlay if it isn’t working as expected; and

WHEREAS, some of the overlays which are supposed to improve the accessibility 
of the websites where they are installed present accessibility options (e.g., 
screen reader profile or anti-seizure profile) which are themselves not 
accessible to screen-reader users; and

WHEREAS, the lack of helpful information and the presence of inaccessible 
overlay controls leave people with disabilities without the means to provide 
feedback and suggestions, use the overlay effectively, or report problems 
related to the overlay; and

WHEREAS, given the large customer base which some overlay providers enjoy, it 
is certain that the blind will encounter more and more websites where overlays 
are employed, ostensibly to improve accessibility; consequently, there is a 
compelling need for us to obtain direct, hands-on experience with the various 
overlays on the market today in order to determine the strengths and weaknesses 
of each overlay product and to identify those overlay providers whose 
technology might actually offer real and sustainable nonvisual access to 
websites and web-based applications; and

WHEREAS, the blind continue to fall behind as the number of websites created 
and deployed far outpaces the number of websites which we can confidently 
declare to be usable and accessible, and thus any solution which gives the 
blind true nonvisual access is welcome: Now, therefore,

BE IT RESOLVED by the National Federation of the Blind in Convention assembled 
this tenth day of July, 2021, that this organization call upon overlay 
developers and their paying customers to engage with the National Federation of 
the Blind and the broader accessibility community to ensure that overlays are 
developed and implemented in ways that truly improve access to websites; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that this organization insist that current and potential 
ove

Re: Oops. Audioeye?

2023-03-26 Thread 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone
Thanks Chela,

Can you tell me how to use Audioeye?I’d like to ignore it but it seems to get 
in my way.  

> On Mar 25, 2023, at 5:58 PM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> It means that the website has the AudioEye accessible overlay. The owners of 
> the website is under contract with that particular company to make the 
> website follow accessible guidelines. How I know this is because I used to 
> work for AudioEye testing for screenreader useability. I don’t anymore, 
> though I am solely focused on trying to get certified as a literary braille, 
> transcriber and proofreader through the national library service for the 
> print disabled and the national Federation of the Blind. Workin Working for 
> that company testing websites was only for a season for me eight months. At 
> least I made enough to get myself a new Apple Watch for my birthday this year.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 3:42 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Oops.  I just arrowed through the spelling and it’s not A I but rather 
>> Audioeye.  At any rate, what is this and what do I do with it?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> Kim
>> 
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Accessible Internal Map for Two Holy Mosque (Haramain Sharifain of Makkah & Madinah KSA?

2023-03-26 Thread Fazil M.
Hi, Group.

Do we have any accessible internal maps for the Two Holy Mosques
(Haramain-Sharifain) of Mekkah and Madinah, Kingdom of Saudi Arab?

Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks!

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