Re: A Happy Thanksgiving Day to Everyone

[Diane Giannetti]

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Sure glad to have you all in this group so we 
can all rely on each other.
Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Nov 23, 2023, at 4:11 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
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Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Mike B.]

Hi Margaret,

If you've just updated to iOS17... restarting the phone helped both my 
wife's and my and my phone after updating with the double tap functionality.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

- Original Message - 
From: Alan Lemly
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem


Hi Margaret,

I seem to recall folks posting after the release of iOS 17 that the double 
tap time-out setting was changed to lower the speed needed to execute a 
double tap. The effect of this would require you to double tap faster in 
order for it to register.

Go to Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, and double tap time-out witch will 
be near the bottom of the screen. Mine was currently set to .25 seconds and 
I executed the increment button to make it .3 seconds which I like better 
since I don't have to double tap quite as fast. Play around with that 
setting to see if it helps you.

Good luck.

Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2023, at 4:17 PM, Margaret Thomas  
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Alan:
>
> Thank you.  I got Hey Siri back.  I could swear that the 3 choices weren't 
> there when I looked earlier and I was looking for more than 1 item and I 
> was double tapping on Hey Siri.  The double tapping problem is still here 
> and it might have been the problem earlier.  It took about a half dozen 
> tries for the phone to recognize my double taps.  I got the phone 2 years 
> ago yesterday and, as far as I know, I'm double tapping the same as I 
> always have and the phone has just gone nuts.
>
> Thanks ,
>
> Margaret
>
>
>> On 11/23/2023 3:03 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>> Hi Margaret,
>> Go to Settings, Siri & Search, Listen for “Hey Siri”. The setting choices 
>> here are 1. “Siri” or “Hey Siri” or 2. “Hey Siri” or 3. Off
>> I have mine set to option 2, Hey Siri. When I posted the earlier 
>> instructions you are referencing, I believe I was still running iOS 16.X 
>> so I expect I made a pig's breakfast of them.
>> I'm not sure if you will be successful changing any of your settings if 
>> you are having difficulty with the tapping gesture. You can certainly try 
>> changing the hey Siri setting to see if you can get what you want.
>> Good luck and happy Thanksgiving.
>> Alan Lemly .
>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Nov 23, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Margaret Thomas  
 wrote:
>>>
>>> Good Afternoon:
>>>
>>> I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my 
>>> way through the changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having 
>>> with the update.  I had Hey Siri on and wanted it and not Siri, but am 
>>> having a problem with Alan's instructions.What do I do after "Listen for 
>>> and select Hey Siri instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by itself.  Right 
>>> now, when I do not press the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri 
>>> responds with Hey Siri as well as Siri.  I think it may have something 
>>> to do with the new follow-up feature I think I heard about.
>>>
>>> The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. I 
>>> may have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the new 
>>> info might make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with double 
>>> tapping since the update and I was hoping to solve the double tapping 
>>> thing first.  Do I have to solve these before I can fix Hey Siri vs. 
>>> Siri?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>>
 On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
 James,
 For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can 
 go to Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri 
 instead of Siri and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier 
 versions of iOS.
 Alan Lemly
 Sent from my iPhone
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  
>> wrote:
>
> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any 
> thing accidently triggered Ciri.
>
> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day. 
> I always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never 
> noticed.  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast 
> because she thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
>
> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any 
> version of IOS 17.
>
> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of 
> the worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
>
> Regards,
>
> James B
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>
> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if 
> your friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear 
> 

Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Margaret, 

I seem to recall folks posting after the release of iOS 17 that the double tap 
time-out setting was changed to lower the speed needed to execute a double tap. 
The effect of this would require you to double tap faster in order for it to 
register. 

Go to Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, and double tap time-out witch will be 
near the bottom of the screen. Mine was currently set to .25 seconds and I 
executed the increment button to make it .3 seconds which I like better since I 
don't have to double tap quite as fast. Play around with that setting to see if 
it helps you. 

Good luck. 

Alan Lemly 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2023, at 4:17 PM, Margaret Thomas  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Alan:
> 
> Thank you.  I got Hey Siri back.  I could swear that the 3 choices weren't 
> there when I looked earlier and I was looking for more than 1 item and I was 
> double tapping on Hey Siri.  The double tapping problem is still here and it 
> might have been the problem earlier.  It took about a half dozen tries for 
> the phone to recognize my double taps.  I got the phone 2 years ago yesterday 
> and, as far as I know, I'm double tapping the same as I always have and the 
> phone has just gone nuts.
> 
> Thanks ,
> 
> Margaret
> 
> 
>> On 11/23/2023 3:03 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>> Hi Margaret,
>> Go to Settings, Siri & Search, Listen for “Hey Siri”. The setting choices 
>> here are 1. “Siri” or “Hey Siri” or 2. “Hey Siri” or 3. Off
>> I have mine set to option 2, Hey Siri. When I posted the earlier 
>> instructions you are referencing, I believe I was still running iOS 16.X so 
>> I expect I made a pig's breakfast of them.
>> I'm not sure if you will be successful changing any of your settings if you 
>> are having difficulty with the tapping gesture. You can certainly try 
>> changing the hey Siri setting to see if you can get what you want.
>> Good luck and happy Thanksgiving.
>> Alan Lemly .
>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Nov 23, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Margaret Thomas  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good Afternoon:
>>> 
>>> I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my way 
>>> through the changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having with the 
>>> update.  I had Hey Siri on and wanted it and not Siri, but am having a 
>>> problem with Alan's instructions.What do I do after "Listen for and select 
>>> Hey Siri instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by itself.  Right now, when I 
>>> do not press the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri responds with 
>>> Hey Siri as well as Siri.  I think it may have something to do with the new 
>>> follow-up feature I think I heard about.
>>> 
>>> The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. I 
>>> may have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the new 
>>> info might make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with double 
>>> tapping since the update and I was hoping to solve the double tapping thing 
>>> first.  Do I have to solve these before I can fix Hey Siri vs. Siri?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> 
>>> Margaret
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
 James,
 For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go 
 to Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead 
 of Siri and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS.
 Alan Lemly
 Sent from my iPhone
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  
>> wrote:
> 
> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
> accidently triggered Ciri.
> 
> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I 
> always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never 
> noticed.  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast 
> because she thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
> 
> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any 
> version of IOS 17.
> 
> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of 
> the worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> James B
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
> 
> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if 
> your friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything 
> and quit, because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling 
> hands-free Siri and just use the side button and see if that helps. I 
> never have used hey Siri except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing 
> the side button.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner 
>>  wrote:

Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Margaret Thomas]

Hi, Alan:

Thank you.  I got Hey Siri back.  I could swear that the 3 choices 
weren't there when I looked earlier and I was looking for more than 1 
item and I was double tapping on Hey Siri.  The double tapping problem 
is still here and it might have been the problem earlier.  It took about 
a half dozen tries for the phone to recognize my double taps.  I got the 
phone 2 years ago yesterday and, as far as I know, I'm double tapping 
the same as I always have and the phone has just gone nuts.


Thanks ,

Margaret


On 11/23/2023 3:03 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

Hi Margaret,

Go to Settings, Siri & Search, Listen for “Hey Siri”. The setting choices here 
are 1. “Siri” or “Hey Siri” or 2. “Hey Siri” or 3. Off

I have mine set to option 2, Hey Siri. When I posted the earlier instructions 
you are referencing, I believe I was still running iOS 16.X so I expect I made 
a pig's breakfast of them.

I'm not sure if you will be successful changing any of your settings if you are 
having difficulty with the tapping gesture. You can certainly try changing the 
hey Siri setting to see if you can get what you want.

Good luck and happy Thanksgiving.

Alan Lemly .
Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 23, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Margaret Thomas  wrote:

Good Afternoon:

I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my way through the 
changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having with the update.  I had Hey Siri 
on and wanted it and not Siri, but am having a problem with Alan's instructions.What do I 
do after "Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by 
itself.  Right now, when I do not press the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri 
responds with Hey Siri as well as Siri.  I think it may have something to do with the new 
follow-up feature I think I heard about.

The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. I may 
have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the new info might 
make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with double tapping since the 
update and I was hoping to solve the double tapping thing first.  Do I have to 
solve these before I can fix Hey Siri vs. Siri?

Many thanks,

Margaret



On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
James,
For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to 
Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri 
and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS.
Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  wrote:


I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
accidently triggered Ciri.

All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I always 
have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never noticed.  Alexa 
sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because she thought she 
heard the wake word followed by a request.

If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any version 
of IOS 17.

Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.

Regards,

James B


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for follow 
up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it cannot 
give a full answer if it hears anything.
Pretty pointless.
I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
even if it works.




Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem

I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 17.1. 
He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading back the 
information, any little noise will stop her from reading. It is like Siri has 
an open mic all the time. This behavior just started recently. 

RE: preparing to get a new i phone and am going to go with i phone 14 prow how to tern on voice over on this phone?

[Richard Turner]

The only thing I would add is to be clear that the gesture for the app 
switcher, home, notification center, and Control center are continuous sliding 
of the finger, not really a swipe.

So you drag your finger up from the bottom or down from the top in a smooth 
motion.

Once you get VoiceOver on and are ready to use it, it may help to turn on VO 
help with a 4 finger double tap to practice those gestures.

 

 

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 2:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: preparing to get a new i phone and am going to go with i phone 14 
prow how to tern on voice over on this phone?

 

Firstly conggrats on that new toy! To turn VoiceOver on/off, it's 
triple-clicking the side button, found on the right side, at the same level 
where the Power button is on your iPhone 8. I've never felt a phone without a 
Home button, but they say the Side button is larger than the Power button we've 
used tin.

The gestures for Home, Notifications, etc., are easy to learn: they involve 
swiping from the bottom up, until you hear a click; the very first first click 
you hear is when yrfinger is rositioned ready to start flicking up, thus the 
2nd click is for the Home screen, and the 3rd one is for the App Switcher.

gestures the other way around: starting fthe top (sort of where you talk on the 
phone), the very first click is your initial position, from which if you swipe 
downto the 2nd click you're at the Notification (or is it Control Center 
because I don'th my iPad with me), bei way 2 clicks is either the Control 
Center Center, and the 3rd click downwards is the Notification Center.

I never thought I'd say this, but I wish iMhones hadaway (lthe iPads), to 
perform these gestures so as not not to wear out the Home buttons! Thanks to 
myexperiences with my 9th Generation iPad which still have the Home button, but 
too the ability to qgform the gestures, I'm ready to take the plunge for my 
successor iPhone to; one without the Home button. Good luck with your new 
iPhone!

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel





El 23 nov 2023, a la(s) 3:28 p.m., mi...@eastlink.ca  
 escribió:



Hi all I am preparing to get a new I phone next week. My old I phone 8 is still 
working but it is time for a upgrade. I am going to get a I phone 14 prose and 
am going to do the updates and set up from I cloud back up my self. My question 
is how to tern on voice over on this phone? I know it is a 3 click on the 
button but am not shure witch. Also this is the first I phone that I have with 
out a home button at least not one that you can feel. Any tips? Many thanks. 
From Mich.

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Re: preparing to get a new i phone and am going to go with i phone 14 prow how to tern on voice over on this phone?

[Gerardo Corripio]

Firstly conggrats on that new toy! To turn VoiceOver on/off, it's triple-clicking the side button, found on the right side, at the same level where the Power button is on your iPhone 8. I've never felt a phone without a Home button, but they say the Side button is larger than the Power button we've used tin.The gestures for Home, Notifications, etc., are easy to learn: they involve swiping from the bottom up, until you hear a click; the very first first click you hear is when yrfinger is rositioned ready to start flicking up, thus the 2nd click is for the Home screen, and the 3rd one is for the App Switcher.gestures the other way around: starting fthe top (sort of where you talk on the phone), the very first click is your initial position, from which if you swipe downto the 2nd click you're at the Notification (or is it Control Center because I don'th my iPad with me), bei way 2 clicks is either the Control Center Center, and the 3rd click downwards is the Notification Center.I never thought I'd say this, but I wish iMhones hadaway (lthe iPads), to perform these gestures so as not not to wear out the Home buttons! Thanks to myexperiences with my 9th Generation iPad which still have the Home button, but too the ability to qgform the gestures, I'm ready to take the plunge for my successor iPhone to; one without the Home button. Good luck with your new iPhone!GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 23 nov 2023, a la(s) 3:28 p.m., mi...@eastlink.ca escribió:Hi all I am preparing to get a new I phone next week. My old I phone 8 is still working but it is time for a upgrade. I am going to get a I phone 14 prose and am going to do the updates and set up from I cloud back up my self. My question is how to tern on voice over on this phone? I know it is a 3 click on the button but am not shure witch. Also this is the first I phone that I have with out a home button at least not one that you can feel. Any tips? Many thanks. From Mich.



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preparing to get a new i phone and am going to go with i phone 14 prow how to tern on voice over on this phone?

[michv]

Hi all I am preparing to get a new I phone next week. My old I phone 8 is
still working but it is time for a upgrade. I am going to get a I phone 14
prose and am going to do the updates and set up from I cloud back up my
self. My question is how to tern on voice over on this phone? I know it is a
3 click on the button but am not shure witch. Also this is the first I phone
that I have with out a home button at least not one that you can feel. Any
tips? Many thanks. From Mich.

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Re: A Happy Thanksgiving Day to Everyone

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Here in the UK we don’t celebrate Thanks Giving none-the-less I want to say a 
special thanks to Mark for another year of moderating this list.  A thankless 
job at times and a difficult one too but you always manage to do it fairly and 
with humility.

Thanks too for all contributions that enhance our abilities and help solve 
problems we encounter.
Malcolm Parfitt

> On 23 Nov 2023, at 20:45, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Mark, and I wish the best for everyone today. We all have things 
> to be thankful for, regardless if it is a national holiday. 
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> Subject: A Happy Thanksgiving Day to Everyone
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> Hello All,
> 
> Even though some here in the group live in places where thanksgiving is not 
> celebrated, I want to wish everyone in this community a very happy 
> Thanksgiving Day.
> 
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> accessibility life with you all.
> 
> I continue to be astonished at how comforting it is to know that you are all 
> there and that when I do encounter accessibility problems, Apple-related or 
> not, I know that I am not alone in my struggles and that you will do your 
> best to help and encourage me to not give up, or give in, to the challenge.
> 
> Please know that I am thinking about you, today, and everyday.
> 
> Most Sincerely,
> 
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RE: A Happy Thanksgiving Day to Everyone

[Carolyn Arnold]

Thank you Mark, and I wish the best for everyone today. We all have things to 
be thankful for, regardless if it is a national holiday. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 2:13 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: A Happy Thanksgiving Day to Everyone

Hello All,

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celebrated, I want to wish everyone in this community a very happy Thanksgiving 
Day.

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accessibility life with you all.

I continue to be astonished at how comforting it is to know that you are all 
there and that when I do encounter accessibility problems, Apple-related or 
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Please know that I am thinking about you, today, and everyday.

Most Sincerely,

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RE: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Carolyn Arnold]

Siri will respond wither way - Hay Siri or Siri. 

I had that Apple Pay thing, just ended up calling Apple Accessibillity and got 
them to help me get it in just to get the thing off my back, which I do not 
intend to be using. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Thomas
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 1:53 PM
To: V iPhone list 
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

Good Afternoon:

I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my way 
through the changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having with the 
update.  I had Hey Siri on and wanted it and not Siri, but am having a problem 
with Alan's instructions.What do I do after "Listen for and select Hey Siri 
instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by itself.  Right now, when I do not press 
the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri responds with Hey Siri as well 
as Siri.  I think it may have something to do with the new follow-up feature I 
think I heard about.

The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. 
I may have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the new info 
might make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with double tapping since 
the update and I was hoping to solve the double tapping thing first.  Do I have 
to solve these before I can fix Hey Siri vs. Siri?

Many thanks,

Margaret


On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
> James,
> 
> For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to 
> Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri 
> and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  wrote:
>>
>> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
>> accidently triggered Ciri.
>>
>> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I 
>> always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never 
>> noticed.  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because 
>> she thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
>>
>> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any 
>> version of IOS 17.
>>
>> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
>> worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> James B
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>>
>> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
>> friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
>> because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
>> just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
>> except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
>>> follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it 
>>> cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
>>> Pretty pointless.
>>> I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
>>> Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, 
>>> then maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around 
>>> at best even if it works.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
>>> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in 
>>> the Universe
>>>
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Lynn Schneider
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>>>
>>> I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 
>>> 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is 
>>> reading back the information, any little noise will stop her from reading. 
>>> It is like Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior just started 
>>> recently. He thought that an update fixed it, and it worked well for about 
>>> a day, but then went back to this problematic behavior. Any insights on how 
>>> to solve this problem would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Alan Lemly]

Hi Margaret,

Go to Settings, Siri & Search, Listen for “Hey Siri”. The setting choices here 
are 1. “Siri” or “Hey Siri” or 2. “Hey Siri” or 3. Off

I have mine set to option 2, Hey Siri. When I posted the earlier instructions 
you are referencing, I believe I was still running iOS 16.X so I expect I made 
a pig's breakfast of them. 

I'm not sure if you will be successful changing any of your settings if you are 
having difficulty with the tapping gesture. You can certainly try changing the 
hey Siri setting to see if you can get what you want. 

Good luck and happy Thanksgiving. 

Alan Lemly . 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Margaret Thomas  wrote:
> 
> Good Afternoon:
> 
> I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my way 
> through the changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having with the 
> update.  I had Hey Siri on and wanted it and not Siri, but am having a 
> problem with Alan's instructions.What do I do after "Listen for and select 
> Hey Siri instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by itself.  Right now, when I do 
> not press the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri responds with Hey 
> Siri as well as Siri.  I think it may have something to do with the new 
> follow-up feature I think I heard about.
> 
> The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. I may 
> have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the new info 
> might make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with double tapping 
> since the update and I was hoping to solve the double tapping thing first.  
> Do I have to solve these before I can fix Hey Siri vs. Siri?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Margaret
> 
> 
>> On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>> James,
>> For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to 
>> Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of 
>> Siri and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS.
>> Alan Lemly
>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
>>> accidently triggered Ciri.
>>> 
>>> All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I 
>>> always have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never 
>>> noticed.  Alexa sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because 
>>> she thought she heard the wake word followed by a request.
>>> 
>>> If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any 
>>> version of IOS 17.
>>> 
>>> Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
>>> worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> James B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>>> Otten
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem
>>> 
>>> It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
>>> friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and 
>>> quit, because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free 
>>> Siri and just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used 
>>> hey Siri except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for 
 follow up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus 
 it cannot give a full answer if it hears anything.
 Pretty pointless.
 I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
 Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, 
 then maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around 
 at best even if it works.
 
 
 
 
 Richard, USA.
 “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
 it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
 
 My web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 Lynn Schneider
 Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem
 
 I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 
 17.1. He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is 
 reading back the information, any little noise will stop her from reading. 
 It is like Siri has an open mic all the time. This behavior just started 
 recently. He thought that an update fixed it, and it worked well for about 
 a day, but then went back to this problematic behavior. Any insights on 
 how to solve this problem would be much 

iOS ChatGPT 3.5 question

[Dave Lehnis]

I am wondering if there are any others using S ChatGPT 3.5. I am having some 
difficulty deleting conversations using voiceover. When I turn off voiceover my 
wife who can see has no trouble deleting conversations, but I have not been 
able to accomplish that. One of the directions I got said double tap with two 
fingers at one point, but double tapping with two fingers just gets music from 
my phone. Any thoughts or suggestions will be much appreciated.

Thanks.
Dave Lehnis. 

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A Happy Thanksgiving Day to Everyone

[VIPhone]

Hello All,

Even though some here in the group live in places where thanksgiving is not 
celebrated, I want to wish everyone in this community a very happy 
Thanksgiving Day.

I am truly thankful that I have the extreme privilege of sharing my 
accessibility life with you all.

I continue to be astonished at how comforting it is to know that you are 
all there and that when I do encounter accessibility problems, 
Apple-related or not, I know that I am not alone in my struggles and that 
you will do your best to help and encourage me to not give up, or give in, 
to the challenge.

Please know that I am thinking about you, today, and everyday.

Most Sincerely,

Moderator Mark

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Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

[Margaret Thomas]

Good Afternoon:

I updated to IOS 17.1 on my SE 2 the other day and am trying to work my 
way through the changes from 16.x to 17.1 to solve problems I'm having 
with the update.  I had Hey Siri on and wanted it and not Siri, but am 
having a problem with Alan's instructions.What do I do after "Listen for 
and select Hey Siri instead of Siri?"  There's no Siri by itself.  Right 
now, when I do not press the hone button, and invoke Siri by voice, Siri 
responds with Hey Siri as well as Siri.  I think it may have something 
to do with the new follow-up feature I think I heard about.


The phone wants me to finish setting up Apple Pay, which I don't want. 
I may have an expired credit card that deleting it and putting in the 
new info might make the phone happy, but I'm having a problem with 
double tapping since the update and I was hoping to solve the double 
tapping thing first.  Do I have to solve these before I can fix Hey Siri 
vs. Siri?


Many thanks,

Margaret


On 10/31/2023 3:23 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

James,

For those of us who have updated to iOS 17 and prefer Hey Siri, we can go to 
Settings, Siri and search, and Listen for and select Hey Siri instead of Siri 
and Hey Siri to have it work as it did in earlier versions of iOS.

Alan Lemly
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 31, 2023, at 11:38 AM, James Bentley  wrote:

I love Hey Ciri.  Not one single time in almost one year has any thing 
accidently triggered Ciri.

All of my other devices, especially Alexa go off several times a day.  I always 
have the TV, radio, or an Audio book going and Ciri has never noticed.  Alexa 
sometimes, will start playing music or some podcast because she thought she 
heard the wake word followed by a request.

If Apple has removed the Hhey in Hey Ciri, I will never update to any version 
of IOS 17.

Just my opinion but it seems to me like Apple has come out with one of the 
worst versions of IOS in V17 since the conception of the I Phone.

Regards,

James B


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and iOS 17 problem

It’s also possible that since they got rid of the hay in hey Siri, if your 
friend has that enabled, Siri could be listening and hear anything and quit, 
because it thinks you’re doing something. Try disabling hands-free Siri and 
just use the side button and see if that helps. I never have used hey Siri 
except on my HomePod. I have no problem pressing the side button.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 31, 2023, at 8:48 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Give that feedback to Apple.  The new thing of Siri being available for follow 
up questions I think is essentially keeping the mic open and thus it cannot 
give a full answer if it hears anything.
Pretty pointless.
I find nothing in Siri settings to disable this.
Though, he might try turning on showing a transcript of what Siri says, then 
maybe VO can read the whole response, but that is a poor work around at best 
even if it works.




Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lynn 
Schneider
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Siri and iOS 17 problem

I am trying to help a friend with a problem that has popped up since iOS 17.1. 
He uses Siri to get his sports scores. He says that, as she is reading back the 
information, any little noise will stop her from reading. It is like Siri has 
an open mic all the time. This behavior just started recently. He thought that 
an update fixed it, and it worked well for about a day, but then went back to 
this problematic behavior. Any insights on how to solve this problem would be 
much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Problem with WhatsApp

[Dave Grossoehme]

Try restarting your phone and see if that solves your problem.

Dave


On 11/23/2023 9:36 AM, Rena wrote:


Hello,

Since yesterday, when I try to call someone, it says, 0 selected of 
maximum of 31. And I can’t call anyone.


Does anyone know what’s wrong and what can I do?

I’m still using iOS 16.

Rena

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RE: Question about the Vesync app

[Rick Alfaro]

Kelly, you can operate the fryer using voice commands with Alexa. I believe 
it’s compatible with Google assistant as well but not totally sure about that.

 

 

 

Warmest regards,

 

Rick Alfaro

rick.alf...@gmail.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Ford
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 9:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about the Vesync app

 

Hi,

 

Can you use this particular device without the app effectively if you don’t 
see? I’ve been wanting to try an air fryer but the few I’ve explored all had 
touch controls that I couldn’t use. I haven’t done extensive research.

 

 

 

From: 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Question about the Vesync app

 

Cosori Pro 3 Air Fryer 

Merv

 

 

On Nov 23, 2023, at 8:17 AM, Larry Smith mailto:larry.smith...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

What is the name of the air fryer that you guys are using with the Vesync app. 
I looked for it on amazon but didn’t find anything called Vesync. This air 
fryer sound interesting. Thanks

 

On Nov 22, 2023, at 4:44 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Thanks Rick, I think sometimes my messages are not coming through or something. 
I had sent a note saying I found them on the Amazon site just before we ordered 
it. They list 9.4 by 9.4 by 4.8 deep. Close enough to your measurements. Thanks 
again. 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 

 

On Nov 22, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Rick Alfaro mailto:rick.alf...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Richard and others,

In case you haven't gotten the inner dimensions of the pan yet, here they are 
as per my tape king.
The handled pan is 9.58 inches square by 4.8 inches deep without the crisper 
tray. The crisper tray is inserted at the bottom of the pan and has holes in it 
to allow for grease or liquid through to the bottom if desired.

This was just a quick measurement so probably not as precise it as it could be 
but it should give you a good idea.




Warmest regards,
Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Question about the Vesync app

Well, they do not recommend more than one layer as the air has to be able to 
circulate around the food.
When they are talking chicken wings, I suspect they mean the kind you would get 
at a bar, which only has the meaty portion and not the little flat wing section.
And since I don't do chicken wings, I don't really know about their sizes.
But, yes, the large basket is geared probably for larger items, including their 
cake pan, bread pan, pizza pan ... we can do enough sweet potato fries or pot 
stickers for two in ours which I think may be a little smaller than yours.

I'd appreciate it if you could get the size of the basket at some point.  NO 
hurry.




Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Question about the Vesync app

Sorry, richard. I don’t know the inner dimensions of the pan yet. Can’t find it 
anywhere online, and I forgot to ask my sided spouse, but I shall do so later 
today. Also, and I guess this is really getting off-topic, since it’s not a 
technical question. What the heck is the point of this big pan/basket if you’re 
only supposed to put food in one layer? I get how you could do a chicken, a 
whole big piece of meat whatever.but is it really true that even with the two 
burners you should only put one layer? The pan is substantially smaller than a 
sheet pan, so a whole bunch of chicken wings for instance, which they say you 
can do, how? You probably couldn’t put more than maybe four big chicken wings 
in that basket in one layer. That’s a far cry from I think 17 that they 
advertised. I don’t get it.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone



On Nov 22, 2023, at 6:45 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Good to know Rick.

We probably 

Re: Question about the Vesync app

[Richard Turner]

Hi Kelly,  The App is only necessary for Wi-Fi  setup. After that, if you have either an Alexa device, Google device, or the Alexa app, you can do everything by voice commands. I'm totally blind, and use a previous model with our Sonos speakers or Echo device. My wife set it up, but she also mostly uses voice commands. If it gets off line, which ours did after a power outage, she had to help get it reconnected, but I did the final step through the app. We should be getting the two burner one tomorrow which has a slightly bigger basket than our current one, plus not having to flip food.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Nov 23, 2023, at 6:00 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:







Hi,
 
Can you use this particular device without the app effectively if you don’t see? I’ve been wanting to try an air fryer but the few I’ve explored all had touch controls that
 I couldn’t use. I haven’t done extensive research.
 
 
 


From: 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone 

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Vesync app


 
Cosori Pro 3 Air Fryer 

Merv


 






On Nov 23, 2023, at 8:17 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:

 


What is the name of the air fryer that you guys are using with the Vesync app. I looked for it on amazon but didn’t find anything called Vesync. This air fryer sound interesting. Thanks   







On Nov 22, 2023, at 4:44 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 


Thanks Rick, I think sometimes my messages are not coming through or something. I had sent a note saying I found them on the Amazon site just before we ordered it. They list 9.4 by 9.4 by 4.8 deep. Close enough to your measurements. Thanks
 again. 


 



Richard, USA


“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”


-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/


 













On Nov 22, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:




Richard and others,

In case you haven't gotten the inner dimensions of the pan yet, here they are as per my tape king.
The handled pan is 9.58 inches square by 4.8 inches deep without the crisper tray. The crisper tray is inserted at the bottom of the pan and has holes in it to allow for grease or liquid through to the bottom if desired.

This was just a quick measurement so probably not as precise it as it could be but it should give you a good idea.




Warmest regards,
Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about the Vesync app

Well, they do not recommend more than one layer as the air has to be able to circulate around the food.
When they are talking chicken wings, I suspect they mean the kind you would get at a bar, which only has the meaty portion and not the little flat wing section.
And since I don't do chicken wings, I don't really know about their sizes.
But, yes, the large basket is geared probably for larger items, including their cake pan, bread pan, pizza pan ... we can do enough sweet potato fries or pot stickers for two in ours which I think may be a little smaller than yours.

I'd appreciate it if you could get the size of the basket at some point.  NO hurry.




Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Vesync app

Sorry, richard. I don’t know the inner dimensions of the pan yet. Can’t find it anywhere online, and I forgot to ask my sided spouse, but I shall do so later today. Also, and I guess this is really getting off-topic, since it’s not a technical question. What
 the heck is the point of this big pan/basket if you’re only supposed to put food in one layer? I get how you could do a chicken, a whole big piece of meat whatever.but is it really true that even with the two burners you should only put one layer? The pan
 is substantially smaller than a sheet pan, so a whole bunch of chicken wings for instance, which they say you can do, how? You probably couldn’t put more than maybe four big chicken wings in that basket in one layer. That’s a far cry from I think 17 that they
 

Problem with WhatsApp

[Rena]

Hello,

 

Since yesterday, when I try to call someone, it says, 0 selected of maximum
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Does anyone know what's wrong and what can I do?

I'm still using iOS 16.

 

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RE: Question about the Vesync app

[Kelly Ford]

Hi,

Can you use this particular device without the app effectively if you don’t 
see? I’ve been wanting to try an air fryer but the few I’ve explored all had 
touch controls that I couldn’t use. I haven’t done extensive research.



From: 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 7:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Vesync app

Cosori Pro 3 Air Fryer
Merv



On Nov 23, 2023, at 8:17 AM, Larry Smith 
mailto:larry.smith...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What is the name of the air fryer that you guys are using with the Vesync app. 
I looked for it on amazon but didn’t find anything called Vesync. This air 
fryer sound interesting. Thanks


On Nov 22, 2023, at 4:44 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Thanks Rick, I think sometimes my messages are not coming through or something. 
I had sent a note saying I found them on the Amazon site just before we ordered 
it. They list 9.4 by 9.4 by 4.8 deep. Close enough to your measurements. Thanks 
again.

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Nov 22, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Rick Alfaro 
mailto:rick.alf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Richard and others,

In case you haven't gotten the inner dimensions of the pan yet, here they are 
as per my tape king.
The handled pan is 9.58 inches square by 4.8 inches deep without the crisper 
tray. The crisper tray is inserted at the bottom of the pan and has holes in it 
to allow for grease or liquid through to the bottom if desired.

This was just a quick measurement so probably not as precise it as it could be 
but it should give you a good idea.




Warmest regards,
Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about the Vesync app

Well, they do not recommend more than one layer as the air has to be able to 
circulate around the food.
When they are talking chicken wings, I suspect they mean the kind you would get 
at a bar, which only has the meaty portion and not the little flat wing section.
And since I don't do chicken wings, I don't really know about their sizes.
But, yes, the large basket is geared probably for larger items, including their 
cake pan, bread pan, pizza pan ... we can do enough sweet potato fries or pot 
stickers for two in ours which I think may be a little smaller than yours.

I'd appreciate it if you could get the size of the basket at some point.  NO 
hurry.




Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about the Vesync app

Sorry, richard. I don’t know the inner dimensions of the pan yet. Can’t find it 
anywhere online, and I forgot to ask my sided spouse, but I shall do so later 
today. Also, and I guess this is really getting off-topic, since it’s not a 
technical question. What the heck is the point of this big pan/basket if you’re 
only supposed to put food in one layer? I get how you could do a chicken, a 
whole big piece of meat whatever.but is it really true that even with the two 
burners you should only put one layer? The pan is substantially smaller than a 
sheet pan, so a whole bunch of chicken wings for instance, which they say you 
can do, how? You probably couldn’t put more than maybe four big chicken wings 
in that basket in one layer. That’s a far cry from I think 17 that they 
advertised. I don’t get it.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 22, 2023, at 6:45 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Good to know Rick.
We probably should get that one, as ours is one of the recalled models, but it 
has been working fine but we know we are using it at our own risk.  My wife 
cannot imagine being without one for 6 weeks or more if we go through the 
replacement process by cutting the cord and submitting a picture and waiting 
until they send us a replacement, which likely would not be the 2 burner 
model...
Christmas is coming. 




Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will 

Re: Question about the Vesync app

['Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone]

Cosori Pro 3 Air Fryer 
Merv


> On Nov 23, 2023, at 8:17 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> 
> What is the name of the air fryer that you guys are using with the Vesync 
> app. I looked for it on amazon but didn’t find anything called Vesync. This 
> air fryer sound interesting. Thanks 
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2023, at 4:44 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Rick, I think sometimes my messages are not coming through or 
>> something. I had sent a note saying I found them on the Amazon site just 
>> before we ordered it. They list 9.4 by 9.4 by 4.8 deep. Close enough to your 
>> measurements. Thanks again. 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>>  
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Richard and others,
>>> 
>>> In case you haven't gotten the inner dimensions of the pan yet, here they 
>>> are as per my tape king.
>>> The handled pan is 9.58 inches square by 4.8 inches deep without the 
>>> crisper tray. The crisper tray is inserted at the bottom of the pan and has 
>>> holes in it to allow for grease or liquid through to the bottom if desired.
>>> 
>>> This was just a quick measurement so probably not as precise it as it could 
>>> be but it should give you a good idea.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Warmest regards,
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>> rick.alf...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 11:42 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Question about the Vesync app
>>> 
>>> Well, they do not recommend more than one layer as the air has to be able 
>>> to circulate around the food.
>>> When they are talking chicken wings, I suspect they mean the kind you would 
>>> get at a bar, which only has the meaty portion and not the little flat wing 
>>> section.
>>> And since I don't do chicken wings, I don't really know about their sizes.
>>> But, yes, the large basket is geared probably for larger items, including 
>>> their cake pan, bread pan, pizza pan ... we can do enough sweet potato 
>>> fries or pot stickers for two in ours which I think may be a little smaller 
>>> than yours.
>>> 
>>> I'd appreciate it if you could get the size of the basket at some point.  
>>> NO hurry.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA
>>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get 
>>> it.”
>>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>>> 
>>> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
>>> 2024.2310.70.400
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>>> Otten
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 8:37 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Question about the Vesync app
>>> 
>>> Sorry, richard. I don’t know the inner dimensions of the pan yet. Can’t 
>>> find it anywhere online, and I forgot to ask my sided spouse, but I shall 
>>> do so later today. Also, and I guess this is really getting off-topic, 
>>> since it’s not a technical question. What the heck is the point of this big 
>>> pan/basket if you’re only supposed to put food in one layer? I get how you 
>>> could do a chicken, a whole big piece of meat whatever.but is it really 
>>> true that even with the two burners you should only put one layer? The pan 
>>> is substantially smaller than a sheet pan, so a whole bunch of chicken 
>>> wings for instance, which they say you can do, how? You probably couldn’t 
>>> put more than maybe four big chicken wings in that basket in one layer. 
>>> That’s a far cry from I think 17 that they advertised. I don’t get it.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 22, 2023, at 6:45 AM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 Good to know Rick.
 We probably should get that one, as ours is one of the recalled models, 
 but it has been working fine but we know we are using it at our own risk.  
 My wife cannot imagine being without one for 6 weeks or more if we go 
 through the replacement process by cutting the cord and submitting a 
 picture and waiting until they send us a replacement, which likely would 
 not be the 2 burner model...
 Christmas is coming. 
 
 
 
 
 Richard, USA
 “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God 
 stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell 
 to get it.”
 -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
 My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 
 Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS
 version 2024.2310.70.400
 
 
 -Original Message-
 

Re: Question about the Vesync app

[Larry Smith]

What is the name of the air fryer that you guys are using with the Vesync app. 
I looked for it on amazon but didn’t find anything called Vesync. This air 
fryer sound interesting. Thanks   

> On Nov 22, 2023, at 4:44 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Rick, I think sometimes my messages are not coming through or 
> something. I had sent a note saying I found them on the Amazon site just 
> before we ordered it. They list 9.4 by 9.4 by 4.8 deep. Close enough to your 
> measurements. Thanks again. 
> 
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>  
> 
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
>> 
>> Richard and others,
>> 
>> In case you haven't gotten the inner dimensions of the pan yet, here they 
>> are as per my tape king.
>> The handled pan is 9.58 inches square by 4.8 inches deep without the crisper 
>> tray. The crisper tray is inserted at the bottom of the pan and has holes in 
>> it to allow for grease or liquid through to the bottom if desired.
>> 
>> This was just a quick measurement so probably not as precise it as it could 
>> be but it should give you a good idea.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Warmest regards,
>> Rick Alfaro
>> rick.alf...@gmail.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 11:42 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Question about the Vesync app
>> 
>> Well, they do not recommend more than one layer as the air has to be able to 
>> circulate around the food.
>> When they are talking chicken wings, I suspect they mean the kind you would 
>> get at a bar, which only has the meaty portion and not the little flat wing 
>> section.
>> And since I don't do chicken wings, I don't really know about their sizes.
>> But, yes, the large basket is geared probably for larger items, including 
>> their cake pan, bread pan, pizza pan ... we can do enough sweet potato fries 
>> or pot stickers for two in ours which I think may be a little smaller than 
>> yours.
>> 
>> I'd appreciate it if you could get the size of the basket at some point.  NO 
>> hurry.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>> 
>> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
>> 2024.2310.70.400
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 8:37 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question about the Vesync app
>> 
>> Sorry, richard. I don’t know the inner dimensions of the pan yet. Can’t find 
>> it anywhere online, and I forgot to ask my sided spouse, but I shall do so 
>> later today. Also, and I guess this is really getting off-topic, since it’s 
>> not a technical question. What the heck is the point of this big pan/basket 
>> if you’re only supposed to put food in one layer? I get how you could do a 
>> chicken, a whole big piece of meat whatever.but is it really true that even 
>> with the two burners you should only put one layer? The pan is substantially 
>> smaller than a sheet pan, so a whole bunch of chicken wings for instance, 
>> which they say you can do, how? You probably couldn’t put more than maybe 
>> four big chicken wings in that basket in one layer. That’s a far cry from I 
>> think 17 that they advertised. I don’t get it.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2023, at 6:45 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good to know Rick.
>>> We probably should get that one, as ours is one of the recalled models, but 
>>> it has been working fine but we know we are using it at our own risk.  My 
>>> wife cannot imagine being without one for 6 weeks or more if we go through 
>>> the replacement process by cutting the cord and submitting a picture and 
>>> waiting until they send us a replacement, which likely would not be the 2 
>>> burner model...
>>> Christmas is coming. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA
>>> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
>>> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get 
>>> it.”
>>> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>>> 
>>> Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS
>>> version 2024.2310.70.400
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 12:44 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Question about the Vesync app
>>> 
>>> Hi Richard. I have the