Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
I have carried out accademic studies at some depth into the role of facial experessions and other types of what is sometimes termed body language. Firstly it is not possible to determine someone's inner emotional state from expressions reliably. Just because someone is smiling it does not always mean that they are happy, it can be just the reverse and smiling is a type of social signal. It is not even possible to determine that someone is lying by their body language and facial expressions, although the better someone knows a person the more reliable this can be. Studies of police interviewing suspects are no better than random chance at determining whether someone is telling the truth. The fact that someone can smile for a photograph just indicates how fake facial expressions can be. Anyone giving you a description of someone else is doing this through a system of mental filters and will vary wildly. I take the AI descriptions as much the same as a real person, that is, with a pinch of salt. I don't mind a degree of subjectivity since all such descriptions, AI or not are going to have an element of subjectivity. One of the great things about the AI is that it determines what it thinks is the most important element of the picture and appears to give this to you first. This saves time, and it usually seems to me it gives the people first and then other items as to whether they might be important or nearer the middle of the picture. This is always going to be subjective and personally I don't mind it and indeed I find it the most useful feature. I know others have a different opinion which is fine too. On Wednesday, 15 November 2023 at 09:56:13 UTC Ketan Kothari wrote: > Hi friends, > > I am from India and have been using AI for a while. There are plusses > and minusses in every technology and I am shocked that we are wasting > so much of time for this. Look at it this way. I am able to achieve > quite a few things with AI that I couldn't otherwise. and of course, > we always have the choice not to use it. By the way, I have checked > the description with my sighted friends and there is generally > agreement between them and be my AI. Let us not clutter the group > with discussion that is more about end result of an app usage rather > than its accessibility. > > Ketan > > On 14/11/2023, CJ & AA MAY wrote: > > We live in a world where predominantly people have vision and, as a > > minority, it is up to us to adapt. > > Sighted people have mentioned to me how uncomfortable they feel when > talking > > to a blind person who doesn't turn to face them when talking. > > A smile doesn't just indicate that you are happy, it is showing you are > > friendly and approachable, that you are grateful for help which is > given, it > > is a silent acknowledgement. > > Alison > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: vip...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Mary > > Otten > > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 3:37 AM > > To: vip...@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us? > > > > I do not want to know what some artificial intelligence thinks somebody’s > > expression means. Cultural stuff hugely influences that sort of thing. > And > > as a totally blind person from birth, I can’t tell you how many times > people > > have asked me why are you angry? Because I’m not smiling. Apparently > you’re > > supposed to go around smiling all the time especially if you’re a woman. > So > > I don’t trust AI male centric and Eurocentric as it must obviously be, > based > > on who is making these glorious language models and facial expression > models > > etc.I don’t want it. I want human to human interaction, and never mind > > somebody else assuming they know what I’m thinking because of how my face > > looks. I sure don’t want to inflict that misunderstanding on somebody > else. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Nov 13, 2023, at 6:49 PM, realman02 via VIPhone > >> wrote: > >> > >> Good points, Kelly. The reason it bothers me is that it's not > >> human-to-human interaction; it's a large language model that's making > >> those judgements. > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: vip...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > >> Kellie > >> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 9:21 PM > >> To: vip...@googlegroups.com > >> Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us? > >> > >> I think the other thing that people need to keep in mind, it’s just > >> because an artificial intelligence says that’s your expression doesn’t > >> mean you have to believe it. You can ask follow-up questions. The beauty > >> is we have deductive reasoning and can make that determination with > >> further input. Also, if you’re totally blind, every input of an > expression > >> is going to be through hearsay whether it’s artificial intelligence or > >> another human being. You’re still going by their interpretation of the > >> expression, not your own judgment. Every single thing
Re: Thermostats for the Blind
I bought my Tado from Amazon in the UK. On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 4:57:12 AM UTC+1 arlene...@earthlink.net wrote: > Where can you buy the tado? it sounds good. Thank you. > > - Original Message - > *From:* 'Andrew Walker' via VIPhone > *To:* VIPhone > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 02, 2021 1:58 AM > *Subject:* Re: Thermostats for the Blind > > I have had the Tado thermostat for three or four years now. The app works > with Voiceover to set schedules, alter the temperature etc. The Tado can > track your movements and turn on or off automatically should nobody be at > home. It also works with the Amazon Echo well and may well work with > Google, but I have not tried this. > > On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 9:18:45 PM UTC+1 Mike B wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I'm in need of a thermostat that can be operated through an app and, is >> accessible. I forget the Honeywell model people have recommended, but I'm >> open to other suggestions. I have the VIP talking thermostat, but I can't >> use this since it can't be operated through an app. This thermostat is for >> our 2nd house and this Is why I need to be able to control it from >> anywhere. All help is greatly appreciated. >> >> >> Stay safe & take care. Mike. >> Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!" >> >> > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > cara...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/vip...@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+u...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/34941139-4af9-4ed3-adc2-242fcb460c9bn%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/34941139-4af9-4ed3-adc2-242fcb460c9bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/3257c741-94c5-4f17-bbc5-1944a75571d0n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: Thermostats for the Blind
Hello Mike. I have the Tado thermostat which works well with Voiceover. I can set schedules, alter temperatures in the app. It can also be used with the Amazon Echo and may be used with Google but I have not tried this. It can track your movements and turn on or off if nobody is at home. I have had this for three or four years. On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 9:18:45 PM UTC+1 Mike B wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm in need of a thermostat that can be operated through an app and, is > accessible. I forget the Honeywell model people have recommended, but I'm > open to other suggestions. I have the VIP talking thermostat, but I can't > use this since it can't be operated through an app. This thermostat is for > our 2nd house and this Is why I need to be able to control it from > anywhere. All help is greatly appreciated. > > > Stay safe & take care. Mike. > Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!" > > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/97466d71-cf51-45ef-b5dc-015d72953164n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: Thermostats for the Blind
I have had the Tado thermostat for three or four years now. The app works with Voiceover to set schedules, alter the temperature etc. The Tado can track your movements and turn on or off automatically should nobody be at home. It also works with the Amazon Echo well and may well work with Google, but I have not tried this. On Tuesday, June 1, 2021 at 9:18:45 PM UTC+1 Mike B wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm in need of a thermostat that can be operated through an app and, is > accessible. I forget the Honeywell model people have recommended, but I'm > open to other suggestions. I have the VIP talking thermostat, but I can't > use this since it can't be operated through an app. This thermostat is for > our 2nd house and this Is why I need to be able to control it from > anywhere. All help is greatly appreciated. > > > Stay safe & take care. Mike. > Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!" > > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/34941139-4af9-4ed3-adc2-242fcb460c9bn%40googlegroups.com.
