Re: What's the difference between chat gpt and copilot?

[Devin Prater]

I'm pretty sure it says it, after the text field. Like 1 of 30, and the 
number goes up each message.


On 1/5/2024 10:31 AM, Jessica Dail wrote:

Hi Devin,
I didn't know that Copilot had a limit of 30 messages per topic.
How did you find that out?



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Or, if you have a smart phone, in particular right now, an iPhone, Be My Eyes 
allows for many follow up questions about the same thing to get more and more 
detail.
It is also free.
I know they released an Android version but it isn't yet as full featured as 
the iOS version if I am understanding things correctly.

There is also a free app call Perplexity that allows for asking follow up 
questions.





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ChatGPT is the "pure" AI. It can use Bing, create and run Python code, and 
create images if you pay for it. Copilot is Microsoft's version, where they take the base 
model and turn it into a more glittery, oversweet thing with tons of Emoji. It can search 
Bing and make image, oh and both can describe images, although ChatGPT does it better 
cause Copilot just looks at it once and can't see it after that, but ChatGPT looks at it 
each time you ask about it, to get more detail and such.
ChatGPT Plus is $20 per month, and Copilot, which can use GPT4, is free.
So, overall, I'd use Copilot if you don't need AI for too much, but if you find 
yourself using it a lot, especially for longer conversations since Copilot can 
only do 30 messages per topic, then ChatGPT may be best for you.

On 1/5/2024 8:55 AM, Jessica Dail wrote:

Hi,

I’m curious to know the answer to this question as well.

I have both apps installed & they both work quite well with Voiceover.

Best regards,

Jessica dail

810-730-1861

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Hi,

I was going to install chat gpt in my iPhone when I read about
copilot, and I have doubts what to choose.

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Re: What's the difference between chat gpt and copilot?

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ChatGPT is the "pure" AI. It can use Bing, create and run Python code, 
and create images if you pay for it. Copilot is Microsoft's version, 
where they take the base model and turn it into a more glittery, 
oversweet thing with tons of Emoji. It can search Bing and make image, 
oh and both can describe images, although ChatGPT does it better cause 
Copilot just looks at it once and can't see it after that, but ChatGPT 
looks at it each time you ask about it, to get more detail and such. 
ChatGPT Plus is $20 per month, and Copilot, which can use GPT4, is free. 
So, overall, I'd use Copilot if you don't need AI for too much, but if 
you find yourself using it a lot, especially for longer conversations 
since Copilot can only do 30 messages per topic, then ChatGPT may be 
best for you.


On 1/5/2024 8:55 AM, Jessica Dail wrote:

Hi,

I’m curious to know the answer to this question as well.

I have both apps installed & they both work quite well with Voiceover.

Best regards,

Jessica dail

810-730-1861

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Hi,

I was going to install chat gpt in my iPhone when I read about copilot, 
and I have doubts what to choose.


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Re: Voice Dream Reader on a different platform

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No, sorry.
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> On Nov 10, 2023, at 7:01 AM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hello. I  got a question. Is VDR available for Windows PC’s? I know for sure 
> it is available for MAC, but I’m surprised that someone on a different list 
> sent a link where VDR it’s been purportedly offered for Windows.  I’m posting 
> here the link, but it is a domain in Spain by which you will find the 
> language to be Spanish. Is this real or a scam? Does anybody know the e-mail 
> address of the company that now owns  VDR? I know the support e-mail address, 
> but I  don’t think that the developer behind the IOS version knows better 
> than anyone else.
>  
>  
> Best,
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Re: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to Fellow Blind Computer Users.

[Devin Prater]

It’s nice, but if you’re using Google Docs, or Salesforce at work, you may want 
to go to an Apple Store and check it out for yourself.
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> On Oct 16, 2023, at 9:20 PM, Dennis Long  wrote:
> 
> I have given some thought to getting a mac when I can afford it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kliph
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac 
> to Fellow Blind Computer Users.
> 
> I second that, I have to use windows for work, and you wouldn’t believe how 
> many trouble tickets I have to submit a week for jaws issues.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 9:39 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> 
>> This article is very, very, very late to the game. I have not had this issue 
>> with Safari freezing on my Mac computers in a very long time. Probably in 
>> over 3 years. I really don’t understand the hatred from the post on 
>> AppleVis. The AppleVis site has become very negative in the last few years. 
>> I’m not saying Apple is perfect by any means, but this goes a bit far. I 
>> have had more issues with my Windows 11 machine with JAWS installed, over 
>> the last year.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chrome and Firefox both work really well.
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 8, 2023, at 7:40 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Group,
>>>> 
>>>> Since this editorial involves primarily Safari browser and since there are 
>>>> other browsers such as Firefox that can be used on the Mac, has anyone 
>>>> tried Firefox on a Mac or perhaps any other browser?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/8/2023 7:35 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>>>> I love my iPhone and even my Apple TV, but while I tried Voiceover on a 
>>>>> MAC a little, it is not a system I would want to deal with on a 
>>>>> day-to-day bases.
>>>>> Maybe that is because I have been using Jaws at first with DOS in 1989 
>>>>> and since the mid 90’s with Windows, but I can’t even imagine what such a 
>>>>> bug would do to me now when my retail business runs on a web-based point 
>>>>> of fsale and accounting platform and I virtually use Chrome (or sometimes 
>>>>> Edge) along with Excel and Outlook literally all day long.
>>>>> Of course I don’t claim that Windows 11 with the latest version of a 
>>>>> Chromium-based web browser or Firefox and Jaws 2023 and for a while now 
>>>>> Jaws 2024 in Beta is perfect, but it’s very rare that Windows, Chrome or 
>>>>> Jaws crashes when I use our point of sale, Lightspeed Retail and I often 
>>>>> go the entire week without having to reboot my computer. On Saturday 
>>>>> evenings we usually turn all the computers at my store off since we are 
>>>>> closed Sundays, but once they get turned on Monday morning they stay on 
>>>>> until Saturday evening.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Sieghard
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>>> janet gross
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2023 4:27 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: We Deserve Better from Apple Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac 
>>>>> to Fellow Blind Computer Users.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Everyone, 
>>>>> Here is an interesting article I just thought some of you might like to 
>>>>> read. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.applevis.com/blog/we-deserve-better-apple-why-i-can-no-longer-recommend-mac-fellow-blind-computer-users
>>>>> We Deserve Better from Apple: Why I Can No Longer Recommend a Mac to 
>>>>> Fellow Blind Computer Users
>>>>> As many of you will know from personal experience, there is a 
>>>>> longstanding issue with VoiceOver on Mac where Safari will frequently 
>>>>> become unresponsive with VoiceOver repeatedly announcing the message 
>>>>> “Safari not responding.” When this issue occurs, the user's Mac may 
>>>>> become unusable for up to several minutes at a time. Sometimes it can be 
>>>>> resolved by switching away from Safari. Sometimes restarting VoiceOver 
>>>>> can resolve the issue. However,

Re: NLS E-Reader and the iPhone

[Devin Prater]

Nah, you're still good. The command list still works that's on the website.
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On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 6:52 PM Robert Doc Wright 
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> I wonder how much of my problem may be due to my running the iOS 17
> developer beta.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Richard Turner 
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2023 3:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: NLS E-Reader and the iPhone
>
> With other displays, when you double tap on a category, it tells you the
> command for each item in that category. Like Next Rotor Option Dot 5 + Dot
> 6 + Space bar
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
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>
> On Jul 20, 2023, at 2:37 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Out of curiosity is there any explanations for the braille commands listed
> in
> settings/accessibility/voiceover/braille/nls e-reader/braille commands?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Anna Dresner 
> *To:* VIPhone Mailing List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2023 8:47 AM
> *Subject:* Re: NLS E-Reader and the iPhone
>
> HI Robert,
>
> If you use a Humanware eReader, the command is Space with dots 156. You
> can find a list of commands for the Brailliant BI X and iOS on the
> Humanware website by choosing Support and that product. The commands are
> the same as for the
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
> On Jul 17, 2023, at 6:13 PM, Robert Doc Wright 
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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[Devin Prater]

Right. Google Play Books just now got the ability to turn pages when 
TalkBack gets to the end of the current page. As of like a few weeks ago.


On 5/23/2023 1:56 PM, Scott Davert wrote:

Hi all.
It's a pretty serious bug when you don't have the luxury of audio
books or listening with speech.
That said, Davy, I encourage you to try reading a book on Android, any
version of the OS, and tell me why Apple's feature which worked pretty
well is somehow less sue worthy than Android. What about Samsung?
Their phones don't appear to be working with the new itteration of
TalkBack's braille support. Their watches have 0 braille support.
Also, why depend on America to do that? You have an EU counterpart,
right? Or am I misunderstanding the purposes behind the European Blind
Union? Here's an ignerant American making suggestions

Scott

On 5/23/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:

Sieghard it is an overall braille bug just check the forums on Applevis.

Davy



Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard
Weitzel
Verzonden: dinsdag 23 mei 2023 6:55
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT
UPDATE to ios16.5



I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this
point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15.
Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS
16.6 will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several
third level updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1,
iOS 16.6.2 etc., but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late
June or early July the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September
as always iOS 17 will be released for the masses. I personally can't see a
single reason why one should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy
described is I assume not an iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
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Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT
UPDATE to ios16.5



I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking
about I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.

Sent from my iPhone



On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi,



I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything
works fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally,
but once it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I
hear a thunk sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If
I press Home, I am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting
VoiceOver is the only way I have found to fix the problem. After that,
panning works fine until I try to use Kindle or voice dream Reader again.
Apple Books works fine. Are these the same problems the rest of you are
seeing?



I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.



Best,

Anna





On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Yep, that’s it.

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On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com <mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

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Yep, that’s it.
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> On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
> 20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
> problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
> and I'm not aware?
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> Folks
>> 
>> For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
>> accessibility NOW, do it NOW!
>> 
>> The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
>> as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.
>> 
>> This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
>> DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
>> Davy
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Re: reading books from iTunes in Braille

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What Braille device do you have?

On 4/13/2023 8:04 AM, Duane Steele wrote:

Hello Dear Friends,

I haven't purchased a book from iTunes in some time. this morning I found a 
book I'd really like to read, and, without thinking much about it, I bought it. 
I want to read using a Braille device, but suddenly all the books I bought in  
the past, and this new one also, are virtually unreadable. I recently upgraded 
to the SE third generation iPhone, if that helps solve the problem. Maybe not. 
Any ideas?
   


Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194



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Re: logo other?

[Devin Prater]

VoiceOver’s image recognition getting stuck. Restarting VoiceOver should fix 
it, or turning off image recognition if you don’t need it.
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> On Jan 26, 2023, at 4:17 AM, 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> hi,,
> Dictating, sorry about that… I am running the latest 16.3 on an iPhone 14 pro 
> and it keeps saying logo other. i've taken a look in settings, it doesn't 
> seem to be VoiceOver is version of saying actions which I have said to sound, 
> I really don't know what this means when it says logo other I have tried 
> flicking up and down but it is not an action option. does anyone know what it 
> is and how I can get rid of it, it's driving me mad!
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Re: A very short bit of humor

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Oh I'm sorry, I meant the text that makes Siri sigh.
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 1:11 PM  wrote:

> Sure thing. Text is below. The humorous part about it is that this
> particular Voiceover voice actually sighs instead of voicing the word
> “sigh” or perhaps an Emoji.
>
> Text:
>
> Hi everyone. As of now, I cannot locate where to make a change on my Echo.
> I have researched on the Internet and the steps provided are not matching
> up. [Voiceover sighs] I have red some on the Amazon Sidewalk and have a few
> concerns.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Devin Prater
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 19, 2023 2:07 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: A very short bit of humor
>
>
>
> Can we have the text of that please?
>
> Devin Prater
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 10:56 AM Richard Turner <
> richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> If you haven’t run into it, here is a very short audio file of VoiceOver
> reading part of an email preview using Siri voice 4.
>
> I cut out any identifying information from the email.
>
>
>
> http://www.turner42.com/SiriSighing.mp3
>
>
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Richard, USA.
>
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Re: A very short bit of humor

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Can we have the text of that please?
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 10:56 AM Richard Turner 
wrote:

>
>
> If you haven’t run into it, here is a very short audio file of VoiceOver
> reading part of an email preview using Siri voice 4.
>
> I cut out any identifying information from the email.
>
>
>
> http://www.turner42.com/SiriSighing.mp3
>
>
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Richard, USA.
>
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
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Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

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Yep. Have Amazon Alexa read you a book. Emotion emulation is… at a good start.
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> On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:50 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, all I can say is that, in all certainty, I flatly believe that such 
> digital voices are quite good for some books, not for all. However, I also 
> believe that is fair to say that AI is just going to get better at this 
> point. Inflection and intonation based on particular emotions shouldn't be 
> too difficult to emulate in the future. In all likelihood, this is already a 
> factual phenomenon in AI labs.
> 
> Best,
> Leo Bado
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 5:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
> Robot, Mac Daily News
> 
> So I must admit that is quite amazing and I wonder exactly what is involved 
> when they say "This is an Apple Books audiobook narrated by a digital voice 
> based on a human narrator" I guess Siri is or at least was based on this 
> ladie's voice, forgot her name when Siri originally came out, but it 
> certainly did not sound this good and neither do the Siri voices sound this 
> good now. I wonder if such voices will be available as Voiceover voices at 
> some point.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> Robot, Mac Daily News
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> Click on the following two links to listen to an audio sample:
> Book 1:
> https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1640359031
> book 2:
> https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/id1636546592
> 
> Best,
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy 
> Ruell
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2023 3:15 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI 
> Robot, Mac Daily News
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> Where can I find a sample of the AI Apple books?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:24 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Although I have yet not tried the AI narrated book could anyone please 
>> explain difference between a electronic voice such as vocallizer or 
>> eloquence synthesizer voice and AI narrated book?  Thank you.
>> 
>> Ketan Kothari from Mumbai India
>> 
>>> On 14/01/2023, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the 
>>> highest quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by 
>>> eliminating human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated 
>>> book to be of the same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll 
>>> continue to have a good supply of human narrated audio for many years to 
>>> come.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by 
>>> an AI Robot, Mac Daily News
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and 
>>> explored the selection.
>>> 
>>> I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the text.
>>> 
>>> While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to 
>>> choose, I purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.
>>> 
>>> I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI 
>>> robot MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly 
>>> launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has 
>>> quietly launched a catalog of books narrated by an AI robot using 
>>> artificial intelligence and voice synthesis technologies it developed.
>>> By Leyland Cecco, for The Guardian:
>>> 
>>> The popularity of the audiobook market has exploded in recent years, 
>>> with technology companies scrambling to gain a foothold. Sales last 
>>> year jumped 25%, bring

Re: Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 to 5 Mac

[Devin Prater]

Mine was really good, until it mysteriously stopped working.
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> On Jan 18, 2023, at 10:48 PM, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> I was just wondering about this. How did others like the HomePod 1? I’m 
> thinking of getting the HomePod 2 and moving away from Alexa. I really want 
> to get 2 of them and pair them for stereo.
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 11:34 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> 9 to 5 Mac, Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 1:16 PM
>> 
>> Here’s how HomePod 2 Compares to the Original and HomePod Mini, 9 to 5 Mac
>> 
>> In a surprise launch, Apple revived its full-size HomePod with a 
>> second-generation model. While the overall design and many of the features 
>> remain the same as the discontinued original, there are new capabilities and 
>> changes. Here’s our full HomePod comparison for a look at HomePod 2 vs the 
>> original vs HomePod mini too.
>> 
>> Background
>> Apple launched the original HomePod back in 2018 at a premium price above 
>> competitors at $349. Just over a year later, Apple cut the price to $299. 
>> Then the HomePod mini arrived in the fall of 2020 with a more 
>> mass-market-focused $99 price before Apple abruptly discontinued the 
>> full-size HomePod in March of 2021.
>> 
>> While many felt the original HomePod was priced too high, it offered 
>> features HomePod mini doesn’t match like richer, louder sound, strong bass, 
>> Dolby Atmos support, beamforming, and room sensing.
>> 
>> Now the full-size HomePod has sprung back to life with the second-gen model 
>> arriving with Thread/Matter support, a temperature/humidity sensor, updated 
>> Apple Silicon chips, and a very minor tweak to the design.
>> 
>> HomePod comparison: New vs original vs mini
>> Audio tech and features
>> 
>> For the main audio features of the HomePod 2, there’s not much different 
>> from the original HomePod (the majority of differences are with smart 
>> features, connectivity, and sensors).
>> 
>> The only difference mentioned by Apple is the computational audio is now 
>> “advanced” with system sensing for real-time tuning while the original 
>> HomePod and HomePod mini have the original computational audio for real-time 
>> tuning.
>> 
>> But it’s great to see Spatial Audio/Dolby Atmos is back with the HomePod 2 
>> since the mini doesn’t offer that.
>> 
>> 
>> HomePod 2HomePod 1   HomePod mini
>> Spatial Audio Dolby Atmos✅   ✅   ❌
>> Room sensing ✅   ✅   ❌
>> Beamforming  ✅   ✅   ❌
>> Stereo pairing (only w/ same speaker and gen)✅   ✅   ✅
>> Real-time tuning Advanced computational audio with system sensing for 
>> real-time tuningComputational audio for real-time tuning   Computational 
>> audio for real-time tuning
>> Multiroom AirPlay audio  ✅   ✅   ✅
>> Home theater with Apple TV 4K✅   ✅   ✅ but no Atmos
>> Auto bass correction ✅   ✅   ❌
>> 
>> One important caveat is that if you want to use HomePods in a stereo pair, 
>> they’ll need to be the same type and generation.
>> Smart home, sensors, connectivity
>> 
>> Here’s where HomePod 2 starts to stand out from the original. The new 
>> full-size smart speaker gets Thread/Matter support, an S7 chip plus U1 for 
>> improved iPhone handoffs, plus a temperature/humidity sensor like the 
>> HomePod mini.
>> 
>> HomePod 2 and HomePod mini are also getting Sound Recognition like iPhone – 
>> which is expected to arrive sometime this spring.
>> 
>> HomePod 2HomePod 1   HomePod mini
>> HomeKit + Siri   ✅   ✅   ✅
>> Thread/Matter✅   ❌   ✅
>> WiFi 802.11n 802.11ac802.11n
>> Bluetooth5.0 5.0 5.0
>> U1 chip  ✅   ❌   ✅
>> Apple SiliconS7  A8  S5
>> Sound recognition✅ (likely this spring)  ❌   ✅ (likely this spring)
>> Temperature and humidity sensor  ✅   ❌   ✅
>> Intercom ✅   ✅   ✅
>> 
>> The touch panel on top of the HomePod 2 appears to be similar to the 
>> original but is now slightly recessed like the HomePod mini. The touch 
>> surface also appears to illuminate entirely like the mini.
>> Strangely, Apple downgraded the WiFi chip from 802.11ac to 802.11n. Maybe 
>> it’s thinking Thread will be carrying more weight and it could be tied to 
>> the switch from A-series to S-series Apple Silicon.
>> 
>> Apple also skips the upgrade to Bluetooth 5.3 on the 

Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Devin Prater]

Wow, I couldn’t imagine using my thumbs to type. They’re way too big for those 
small letters. I use my pointer finger usually, but also use other fingers if 
they’re closing to, say, the delete, L, O, or return keys.
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> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:54 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
> sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
> hand, fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in
> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that
> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of
> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.  
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the
> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis,
> so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
> keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[Devin Prater]

Search for “AI Narration” in the books app.
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> On Jan 18, 2023, at 3:15 AM, Amy Ruell  wrote:
> 
> Where can I find a sample of the AI Apple books?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 12:24 AM, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Although I have yet not tried the AI narrated book could anyone please
>> explain difference between a electronic voice such as vocallizer or
>> eloquence synthesizer voice and AI narrated book?  Thank you.
>> 
>> Ketan Kothari from Mumbai India
>> 
>>> On 14/01/2023, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the highest
>>> quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by eliminating
>>> human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated book to be of the
>>> same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll continue to have a good
>>> supply of human narrated audio for many years to come.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI
>>> Robot, Mac Daily News
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and explored
>>> the selection.
>>> 
>>> I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the text.
>>> 
>>> While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to choose, I
>>> purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.
>>> 
>>> I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot
>>> MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly launches a
>>> selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has quietly launched a
>>> catalog of books narrated by an AI robot using artificial intelligence and
>>> voice synthesis technologies it developed.
>>> By Leyland Cecco, for The Guardian:
>>> 
>>> The popularity of the audiobook market has exploded in recent years, with
>>> technology companies scrambling to gain a foothold. Sales last year jumped
>>> 25%, bringing in more than $1.5bn. Industry insiders believe the global
>>> market could be worth more than $35bn by 2030.
>>> On the company's Books app, searching for "AI narration" reveals the
>>> catalogue of works included in the scheme, which are described as being
>>> "narrated by digital voice based on a human narrator".
>>> 
>>> Apple's development of AI to narrate books could represent a significant
>>> shift in how major technology companies see the future of audiobooks.
>>> Publishers, authors and literary agents who spoke to the Guardian said the
>>> strategy, if successful, could have significant implications for the
>>> market.
>>> 
>>> MacDailyNews Take: At first listen, it doesn't sound awful. A preview can be
>>> heard via Apple Books here.
>>> 
>>> Original Article at:
>>> https://macdailynews.com/2023/01/06/apple-quietly-launches-a-selection-of-au
>>> diobooks-voiced-by-an-ai-robot/
>>> 
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Re: Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally Blocked

[Devin Prater]

He’s gotta make sure he’s getting those ads in front of everyone somehow.
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> On Jan 17, 2023, at 4:37 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed. I deactivated my account as soon as he fired the accessibility team 
> just before he cut the rest of the staff in half and so on and so on. 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Twitter has become crazy. Just get out. Elon Musk is not qualified to own 
>> anything, much less a massive social media app, which he has done nothing 
>> but rec.
>> 
>> Twitter Confirms Third-Party Apps Like Tweetbot Were Intentionally Blocked
>> MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors  /  Juli Clover
>> 
>> Third-party Twitter apps like Tweetbot and Twitterrific have been 
>> intentionally blocked from using Twitter APIs, Twitter confirmed today. 
>> Without access to the underlying code for the social network, Tweetbot, 
>> Twitterrific, Birdie, Echofon, and other popular Twitter clients are 
>> non-functional and cannot be used.
>> 
>> 
>> Twitter's Dev account today said in a tweet 
>> <https://twitter.com/TwitterDev/status/1615405842735714304> that Twitter is 
>> "enforcing its long-standing API rules," a change that could cause some apps 
>> not to work. There has been no word on which API rules the blocked Twitter 
>> clients have violated, and this is the first time that Twitter has provided 
>> insight into what's going on with third-party Twitter apps since they 
>> stopped working last Thursday.
>> 
>> When some third-party Twitter apps became unusable last week, it was 
>> initially believed that there could be some kind of bug causing the outage. 
>> Only the most popular Twitter clients were affected and blocked from 
>> Twitter's APIs, perhaps indicating an internal error. As Twitter declined to 
>> comment on the situation for days, however, it became clearer that it was an 
>> intentional decision. Over the weekend, The Information 
>> <https://www.theinformation.com/articles/musks-twitter-intentionally-suspended-tweet-bot-third-party-apps-messages-show>
>>  said that in an internal Slack channel, a senior software engineer at 
>> Twitter clarified that the suspensions were done on purpose, suggesting many 
>> Twitter employees were not even aware of what was going on.
>> 
>> It is not known why Twitter has provided so little information on what is 
>> happening to highly popular third-party Twitter apps that have existed for 
>> years, nor if these apps will again be provided with access to the API if 
>> changes are made. Developers like Iconfactory and Tapbots (responsible for 
>> Twitterrific and Tweetbot, respectively), received no warning about the 
>> shutdown and were not provided with information on why their apps stopped 
>> working.
>> 
>> Apps like Tweetbot have been around for more than a decade at this point, 
>> with loyal users, full teams of developers, and a major investment in the 
>> social network. Developers have expressed their frustration at Twitter's 
>> decision and lack of communication, as have longtime Twitter users.
>> 
>> MacStories 
>> <https://www.macstories.net/stories/twitter-intentionally-ends-third-party-app-developer-access-to-its-apis/>,
>>  for example, called Twitter's actions "disgraceful" and "unprofessional," 
>> with Twitter demonstrating a "total lack of respect" for the role that 
>> third-party apps have played in the success of the social network.
>> 
>> Jason Snell called Twitter's actions <https://sixcolors.com/> "clueless, 
>> classless, and cowardly," and John Gruber said this is likely the end of his 
>> regular usage of Twitter as Twitter's own client is "terrible."
>> 
>> At this point, it isn't clear when or if we're going to get more information 
>> about third-party Twitter clients from Twitter, nor if the apps that have 
>> had their API access revoked will be back in some capacity. Tapbots is now 
>> speeding up development on Ivory 
>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2022/11/29/tapbots-ivory-mastodon-app/>, its app 
>> for the Mastodon social network, and Twitterrific's Craig Hockenberry said 
>> that he will be exploring the concept of a truly universal timeline that 
>> leverag

Re: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an AI Robot, Mac Daily News

[Devin Prater]

AI still has the issues of normal speech synthesis. I was listening to the
sample of one, and it couldn't tell the difference between the present and
past tense of the word "read." They'll still have pronunciation issues, and
I would never want it to read a Brandon Sanderson book.

Just imagine:

“Szeth-son-son-Vallano, Truthless of Shinovar, wore white on the day he was
to kill a king"

Yeah no. Alex on the iPhone already has trouble reading some names in harry
Potter books and fanfics, like the French school members in the fourth
book, like someone who was iconic to the book as Fleur Delacour. And this
isn't just on Apple, every TTS voice is going to have problems and I hope
Apple lets all authors know that.
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r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com




On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 12:08 AM Dennis Long  wrote:

> I completely agree.
>
>
>
> Dennis Long
> Sent from my iPhone SE 3
>
> > On Jan 14, 2023, at 1:06 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> >
> > While I certainly want any AI rendered audiobooks to be of the highest
> quality, this feels like the next phase of cost reduction by eliminating
> human voice actors. I can't ever imagine an AI narrated book to be of the
> same quality as a human narrated one and hope we'll continue to have a good
> supply of human narrated audio for many years to come.
> >
> > Alan Lemly
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> M. Taylor
> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:30 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Apple Quietly Launches a Selection of Audiobooks Voiced by an
> AI Robot, Mac Daily News
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I was Fascinated by this article so quickly went to Apple Books and
> explored the selection.
> >
> > I must say, I am amazed at the quality of the AI Rendering of the text.
> >
> > While there are several free AI voiced audio books from which to choose,
> I purchased a title called "WildWood" by Elinor Florence.
> >
> > I will be posting a second article on this in a little while.
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Apple quietly launches a selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot
> MacDailyNews - Friday, January 6, 2023 at 2:36 PM Apple quietly launches a
> selection of audiobooks voiced by an AI robot Apple has quietly launched a
> catalog of books narrated by an AI robot using artificial intelligence and
> voice synthesis technologies it developed.
> > By Leyland Cecco, for The Guardian:
> >
> > The popularity of the audiobook market has exploded in recent years,
> with technology companies scrambling to gain a foothold. Sales last year
> jumped 25%, bringing in more than $1.5bn. Industry insiders believe the
> global market could be worth more than $35bn by 2030.
> > On the company's Books app, searching for "AI narration" reveals the
> catalogue of works included in the scheme, which are described as being
> "narrated by digital voice based on a human narrator".
> >
> > Apple's development of AI to narrate books could represent a significant
> shift in how major technology companies see the future of audiobooks.
> > Publishers, authors and literary agents who spoke to the Guardian said
> the strategy, if successful, could have significant implications for the
> market.
> >
> > MacDailyNews Take: At first listen, it doesn't sound awful. A preview
> can be heard via Apple Books here.
> >
> > Original Article at:
> >
> https://macdailynews.com/2023/01/06/apple-quietly-launches-a-selection-of-au
> > diobooks-voiced-by-an-ai-robot/
> >
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Re: With iOS 16.2, continuous reading in emails or webpages is awful.

[Devin Prater]

If there’s an AppleVis forum topic or anything on it, I can send that on to 
Apple so they know it’s not just a few people.
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> On Jan 5, 2023, at 12:16 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> It happens for me with Alex, which is my default voice for English. I’ve seen 
> it on webpages. It seems to be caused by some graphic getting in the way, a 
> graphic that would normally just be blown away and let’s move on. If I 
> compare 15.2 or whatever it is on my old phone with Alex, and 16.2 with Alex, 
> the reading is much better with 15.2 on a slower phone. I don’t have any 
> specific links right now. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2023, at 8:03 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Oh, it happens for me with Alex. I'll try other voices and see if it still 
>> happens.
>> Devin Prater
>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:02 AM Kelly Ford > <mailto:ke...@theideaplace.net>> wrote:
>>> For me this issue is a constant when I use Eloquence.  For example, I can 
>>> read only about three pages in a Kindle book before speech stops. Pretty 
>>> much any news article I read or other content of more then a few paragraphs 
>>> has the same happen.
>>> 
>>> If I don't use Eloquence, the problem of speech stopping goes away.
>>> 
>>> Kelly
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
>>> Richard Turner >> <mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2023 9:57 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: With iOS 16.2, continuous reading in emails or webpages is 
>>> awful.
>>>  
>>> I have not noticed a change. There have been times for many versions when 
>>> something in an article or web page stops VO.
>>> Could you maybe give one or two links that demonstrate this behavior.
>>> It has not happened often enough for me to be bothered by it, but if it is 
>>> happening a lot; I would also send example links to Apple of course.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA.
>>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
>>> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 5, 2023, at 4:02 AM, Devin Prater >>> <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have noticed this with my iPhone SE 2020
>>>> 
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 4, 2023, at 8:39 PM, Mary Otten >>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ever since upgrading to iOS 16, I have noticed that continuous reading, 
>>>>> invoked with the two finger swipe down, is really bad. I used to be able 
>>>>> to read hugely long articles, but now it stops all the time. It seems to 
>>>>> be triggered by stupid punctuation things like bullets, as if I care. 
>>>>> Does anybody else notice this serious degradation in the ability to just 
>>>>> read an article without all the nonsense stop and start. The point of 
>>>>> continuous reading is, well, continuous reading. I have noticed this on 
>>>>> an iPad mini six and my iPhone X r. It’s really seriously annoying.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: With iOS 16.2, continuous reading in emails or webpages is awful.

[Devin Prater]

Oh, it happens for me with Alex. I'll try other voices and see if it still
happens.
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On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:02 AM Kelly Ford  wrote:

> For me this issue is a constant when I use Eloquence.  For example, I can
> read only about three pages in a Kindle book before speech stops. Pretty
> much any news article I read or other content of more then a few paragraphs
> has the same happen.
>
> If I don't use Eloquence, the problem of speech stopping goes away.
>
> Kelly
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> *Subject:* Re: With iOS 16.2, continuous reading in emails or webpages is
> awful.
>
> I have not noticed a change. There have been times for many versions when
> something in an article or web page stops VO.
> Could you maybe give one or two links that demonstrate this behavior.
> It has not happened often enough for me to be bothered by it, but if it is
> happening a lot; I would also send example links to Apple of course.
>
>
>
>
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> On Jan 5, 2023, at 4:02 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> I have noticed this with my iPhone SE 2020
>
> Devin Prater
>
> On Jan 4, 2023, at 8:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>
>
> Ever since upgrading to iOS 16, I have noticed that continuous reading,
> invoked with the two finger swipe down, is really bad. I used to be able to
> read hugely long articles, but now it stops all the time. It seems to be
> triggered by stupid punctuation things like bullets, as if I care. Does
> anybody else notice this serious degradation in the ability to just read an
> article without all the nonsense stop and start. The point of continuous
> reading is, well, continuous reading. I have noticed this on an iPad mini
> six and my iPhone X r. It’s really seriously annoying.
>
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Re: With iOS 16.2, continuous reading in emails or webpages is awful.

[Devin Prater]

I see it the most in the Lire RSS reader, when inside an article.
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On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 9:58 AM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> I have not noticed a change. There have been times for many versions when
> something in an article or web page stops VO.
> Could you maybe give one or two links that demonstrate this behavior.
> It has not happened often enough for me to be bothered by it, but if it is
> happening a lot; I would also send example links to Apple of course.
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2023, at 4:02 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> I have noticed this with my iPhone SE 2020
>
> Devin Prater
>
> On Jan 4, 2023, at 8:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>
>
> Ever since upgrading to iOS 16, I have noticed that continuous reading,
> invoked with the two finger swipe down, is really bad. I used to be able to
> read hugely long articles, but now it stops all the time. It seems to be
> triggered by stupid punctuation things like bullets, as if I care. Does
> anybody else notice this serious degradation in the ability to just read an
> article without all the nonsense stop and start. The point of continuous
> reading is, well, continuous reading. I have noticed this on an iPad mini
> six and my iPhone X r. It’s really seriously annoying.
>
>
>
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Re: With iOS 16.2, continuous reading in emails or webpages is awful.

[Devin Prater]

I have noticed this with my iPhone SE 2020

Devin Prater

> On Jan 4, 2023, at 8:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Ever since upgrading to iOS 16, I have noticed that continuous reading, 
> invoked with the two finger swipe down, is really bad. I used to be able to 
> read hugely long articles, but now it stops all the time. It seems to be 
> triggered by stupid punctuation things like bullets, as if I care. Does 
> anybody else notice this serious degradation in the ability to just read an 
> article without all the nonsense stop and start. The point of continuous 
> reading is, well, continuous reading. I have noticed this on an iPad mini six 
> and my iPhone X r. It’s really seriously annoying.
> 
> 
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Re: Reading Kindle Books in Braille

[Devin Prater]

Make sure the turn pages while panning option in VoiceOver's Braille
settings is turned on.
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On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 9:47 AM Kelly Ford  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> Could someone remind me what you need to do to read a Kindle book in
> braille with VoiceOver? Specifically, how do you move to the next page in a
> book.
>
> When I use panning keys I can read through the text on a given page but
> that doesn’t seem to cross to the next page. And the next item command
> doesn’t bring up the next page.
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Re: Loving Overcast!

[Devin Prater]

I do hope they fix the bug where while you're playing a podcast, VoiceOver
is kinda sluggish, almost like a memory leak or something. But besides that
yeah it's a wonderful app.
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On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 8:05 AM Christopher Chaltain 
wrote:

> I recently switched from the native Podcast app over to Overcast. I tried
> this once before and for some reason decided that it wasn’t worth the
> switch. After getting frustrated by not being able to rearrange my podcasts
> in the up next list in the Podcast app, I gave Overcast another shot and
> I’m really liking it. Not only can I rearrange my podcasts but I also don’t
> lose episodes when a newer one comes out.
>
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Re: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued

[Devin Prater]

So at my job, we have a cafeteria that students and staff can eat at. I
usually go there, since the meals are cheap and fairly good. Now, there is
some renovation going on on the roof of that building, so we have to go to
another school to get food. Well, that school is across a big, open parking
lot. Soundscape is the only app that reliably got me there and back. I
mean, I'm glad Microsoft researched it, but at what point does a research
project become something people actually depend on? Like I'm gonna have to
really sink time and a bunch of nerves getting lost, on finding another
product. Goodmaps is close, and I'm glad it's cross-platform, but it only
announces an update after like 50 feet, by which time I could be way off
course. Ah well. Accessibility capitalism. At least at one point Microsoft
readily told us they'd treat accessibility like a business, or something
like that.
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On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 3:39 AM Esther Levegnale 
wrote:

> I feel bad that soundscape is being discontinued as well. I used it on the
> streets, plus I've used it walking around in my yard as well. It's really a
> shame. Esther
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
>
> On Dec 13, 2022, at 2:49 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I didn’t use this app regularly, but it got me out of a couple of sticky
> situations where I found myself lost.
>
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *tai.toma...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* 12 December 2022 20:32
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
>
>
>
> Same here, I really enjoyed this app.
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Lisa Belville
> *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2022 3:26 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
>
>
>
> That is too bad.  I know what streets are in my neighborhood, and I like
> to just turn on MS Soundscapes and have it announce the streets as I cross
> them.  I have a beacon set up for my house.
>
>
>
> I also liked the virtual street preview.
>
>
>
> I have Google maps, and of course there's apple maps, but what other very
> basic GPS is out there for those of us who just need to know where we are
> and not necessarily plan routes for everything.
>
>
>
> Lisa
>
>
>
> Lisa Belville
>
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>
> On 12/12/2022 2:14 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
>
> Then again I never thought they'd just give up on Sounscape either.
>
> Devin Prater
>
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 2:12 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> I doubt Seeing AI will follow this example, it seemed to me that Microsoft
> Soundscape was more of an experiment and I assume it is by far the less
> popular if you compared it to Seeing AI.
> I have it downloaded as well and maybe I should try to use it again more,
> but I never found it that useful.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
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> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 10:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
>
> I just got an update and in the release notes it said that it's being
> discontinued in January but that if you already have it installed on your
> phone you can use it through June. I hope that seeing AI doesn't go to.
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Re: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued

[Devin Prater]

Well we'll see. Maybe Goodmaps will snatch it up and use it in their stuff.
But once projects are put away and stop working, they don't usually just
rise from the dead.
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On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 2:30 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> That could be because it is Google, .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
>
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
>
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Devin Prater
> *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2022 12:26 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
>
>
>
> Google's TalkBack is open source too, and that hasn't helped them much.
>
> Devin Prater
>
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 2:23 PM Richard Turner <
> richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> It is only useful if you have Headphones that allow you to hear your
> surroundings since it is in stereo and intended to help identify places in
> relation to where you are.
>
> I don’t know how many countries it worked in.
>
> And, they are not just "abandoning it" as some have said.  They are making
> it open source; so anyone who wants to can further develop it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 12:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
>
> I doubt Seeing AI will follow this example, it seemed to me that Microsoft
> Soundscape was more of an experiment and I assume it is by far the less
> popular if you compared it to Seeing AI.
> I have it downloaded as well and maybe I should try to use it again more,
> but I never found it that useful.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
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> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 10:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
>
> I just got an update and in the release notes it said that it's being
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Re: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued

[Devin Prater]

Google's TalkBack is open source too, and that hasn't helped them much.
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On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 2:23 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> It is only useful if you have Headphones that allow you to hear your
> surroundings since it is in stereo and intended to help identify places in
> relation to where you are.
>
> I don’t know how many countries it worked in.
>
> And, they are not just "abandoning it" as some have said.  They are making
> it open source; so anyone who wants to can further develop it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
> it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2022 12:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
>
> I doubt Seeing AI will follow this example, it seemed to me that Microsoft
> Soundscape was more of an experiment and I assume it is by far the less
> popular if you compared it to Seeing AI.
> I have it downloaded as well and maybe I should try to use it again more,
> but I never found it that useful.
>
> -Original Message-
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> I just got an update and in the release notes it said that it's being
> discontinued in January but that if you already have it installed on your
> phone you can use it through June. I hope that seeing AI doesn't go to.
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Re: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued

[Devin Prater]

Then again I never thought they'd just give up on Sounscape either.
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On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 2:12 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> I doubt Seeing AI will follow this example, it seemed to me that Microsoft
> Soundscape was more of an experiment and I assume it is by far the less
> popular if you compared it to Seeing AI.
> I have it downloaded as well and maybe I should try to use it again more,
> but I never found it that useful.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Microsoft sound scape being discontinued
>
> I just got an update and in the release notes it said that it's being
> discontinued in January but that if you already have it installed on your
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Re: SE 2020

[Devin Prater]

My new SE 2020 is working fine in that regard too. Although I really don't
like the new Siri start sound, I can barely hear it since it's so low and
quiet.
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On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 8:13 AM Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

> Sounds like some kind of issue with your phones mike.  I'm on the
> latest update and Siri is working just fine.  The only time I have to
> repeat myself is when my wifi connection isn't working, or I'm out of
> data.
>
> On 10/5/22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> > Maybe your microphone is dirty or defective, I have no issues with Siri
> > understanding me, last night I wanted her to do a conversion and my wife
> was
> > already sleeping and while I held the iPhone quite close to me I
> basically
> > whispered it to Siri and my request was recognized just fine.
> >
> >
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> > deidreandlou...@gmail.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 9:06 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: SE 2020
> >
> > Hello all
> > There is another thing happening on my SE 2020 since the first 16
> update. I
> > did write up a list and send it on to Apple Assessibility and just got
> > disconnected while waiting on hold to talk to them about what I will
> > describe below.
> >Siri is not responding to my normal tone of voice. I have
> to
> > literally yell at the phone (and my echo device) to get her to
> acknowledge I
> > have spoken. I know to wait to hear the bonk sound, for lack of a better
> > term, and either way I wind up having to repeat my request twice, and you
> > all know how much I like doing that!
> >Is there some setting to mark the sensitivity of the
> > recognition? I don't mean speech recognition, just regular dictated
> speech,
> > once again most of the problems are when I try to use Siri from the home
> > screen, and I am not within an app. I guess if this persists I will
> simply
> > get trained to always do dictation within an edit field in a specific
> App.
> >
> >Another broken thing:
> >If I say go to mail settings or settings for mail, I will
> > never be taken to those specific settings. This was not the case with
> > previous IOS versions.
> >And, why is "mentions" in my roter? I did not put it there
> > and see nothing about it in the roter settings.
> > btw, what bugs did 16.2 fix?
> >
> >Deidre
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Re: iOS 16.02 is available with VO fixes

[Devin Prater]

Yeah, and notifications not going away when dismissed.
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 10:22 AM Holly  wrote:

> Gerardo:
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> This bug with the notification center is driving me crazy also.
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> I have reported it to Apple support.
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Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot

[Devin Prater]

Interesting. Tell him to get screen recognition out of his rotor. Screen
recognition, thankfully, now has different clicks, to show a user they're
in that mode.
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On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 8:17 AM Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

> I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as
> described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver
> would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor
> doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard
> when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had
> been turned off.  He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code
> before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he
> tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it
> out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS
> 16, until this incident.
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Re: Door dash accessibility with iOS16?

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I've been able to use it pretty well. It seems a bit sluggish, but maybe
once there's a Doordash update that may be fixed. It's still annoying that
it gives the time the order will be arriving, like 5:55 PM, instead  of
like on Android, where it says "ariving in 10 minutes" or so.
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 6:14 AM Adam Morris  wrote:

> Hi all,
> enquiring on behalf of a friend since I can't use Door dash in my area.
> They are on iOS 15 and wish to know if accessibility is any worse using
> door dash if they upgrade to iOS16?
> Also, does anyone know how to contact door dash regarding accessibility
> issues?
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Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14

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I wonder why they can't bring the chime to all models? They own the
firmware on all models, after all. Ah well. Hopefully it'll spread to the
next SE.
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On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 12:19 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> It is my understanding that the chime is a new accessibility option which
> all iPhone 14 models have.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 9:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: First thoughts on Apple Watch series 8 and iPhone 14
>
> I also read the pro models will have a chime at start up. I will forward
> the email I got.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 7, 2022, at 8:35 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> >
> > The satellite alert was the most compelling part of the presentation.
> > An article in Mac Rumors says the service will not be available until
> > November. It will also not work above 62 degrees latitude, which is
> > the far northern parts of Canada and Alaska.
> >
> > I believe Apple is offering it free because it wants to be the first
> > phone with satellite communication. It has not figured out how to
> > price the service and who should provide it long term so Apple is
> > giving itself two years to figure all of this out.
> >
> > Personally, I live in a big city and use Verizon as my network, which
> > has the greatest amount of coverage of any cell phone network in
> > America. I would rarely if ever need the service. I love my 13 Mini
> > and will wait until at least for the USB-C iPhones.
> >
> > Kelly
> >
> >
> >> On 9/7/22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> >> The Apple Watch 8 has some good new features with crash detection and
> >> the build-in body temperature sensor, but from what they said during
> >> the event that temperature sensor seems to be exclusively used for
> >> cycle tracking and may help women who are wanting to get pregnant,
> >> they did not say you could simply use it to measure your body
> >> temperature as you can with a Withings Thermo or other body
> >> temperature thermometer to see if you have a fever or not.
> >> T
> >> He Apple Watch 8 Ultra sounds pretty cool and if I did more scuba
> >> diving than I currently do once every couple of years when I go to
> >> the Philippines I might be tempted to see how accessible it is as a
> >> dive computer; but it's definitely an impressive watch.
> >>
> >> The iPhone 14 has the same A15 chip as the iPhone 13 although they
> >> didn't say it in so many words; I think that is the first time Apple
> >> released a new iPhone and they kept using the same chip as in the one
> >> from the year before.
> >> The iPhone 14 Pro gets the latest A16 chip which makes the new camera
> >> system and always-on display possible.
> >> I thought it was nice to see that Apple included the new emergency
> >> SOS via satellite on both phones and I was definitely surprised when
> >> they said it was going to be free for the next 2 years. This would
> >> indicate, however, that ultimately it will be  a paid service and of
> >> course let's not forget that it is only available for the United States
> and Canada at that point.
> >> For once Canada is getting something at launch which was not always
> >> the case (Apple New, Apple Pay and other features are examples where
> >> it took a while for Canada to get it).
> >> Crash detection is also part of all iPhone 14 models so now if you
> >> are driving with somebody and you have a crash (let's hope it will
> >> never happen) you may get help quicker.
> >> As expected the Mini is gone and replaced with the 6.7 inch iPhone 14
> Plus.
> >> Storage still tops out at 1 Tb so no 2 Tb phone as was rumoured.
> >> Also, in the United States (not sure about Canada) all iPhone 14
> >> models will now no longer have a SIM tray, it is e-SIM only from now on.
> >>
> >> Apart from that this is pretty much it. Anybody who has an iPhone 13
> >> or 13 Pro has in my opinion very little reason to upgrade unless you
> >> spend considerable time out of cell service and may want the added
> >> peace of mind the emergency SOS via satellite offers; you can also
> >> share your location via Find My by satellite, but I haven't quite
> >> figured out if you can simply send text messages to somebody else,
> >> but I don't think so. If you have dedicated devices like Garmin's
> >> Inreach or a Zoleo satellite messenger w

Re: [tech-vi Announce List] Apple settles lawsuit with developer over App Store scam apps

[Devin Prater]

Or that he was hired by Apple.
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On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 3:09 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> I hope Kosta was well compensated, a few Million bucks is pocket change
> for Apple.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 4, 2022 8:39 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* FW: [tech-vi Announce List] Apple settles lawsuit with
> developer over App Store scam apps
>
>
>
> *I know some folks liked and used FlickType, so thought people would be
> interested in this.*
>
>
>
> *From:* tech...@groups.io  *On Behalf Of *David
> Goldfield
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 4, 2022 8:25 AM
> *To:* List 
> *Subject:* [tech-vi Announce List] Apple settles lawsuit with developer
> over App Store scam apps
>
>
>
> AppleInsider News - Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 4:30 PM
> Apple settles lawsuit with developer over App Store scam apps
>
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>
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> affiliate partnerships do not influence our editorial content. *
>
> Apple has reached a settlement with Kosta Eleftheriou, a developer who
> sued the company over scams in the App Store
> <https://appleinsider.com/inside/app-store> and copycat keyboards.
>
> Eleftheriou is known for highlighting fake reviews on the App Store, as
> well as the prevalence of scam apps. He developed FlickType, an Apple Watch
> keyboard.
>
> He found an abundance
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/02/04/fake-app-store-reviews-spark-developer-outrage-highlighting-need-for-enforcement>
> of apps that copied FlickType, with these competitors even going so far as
> to steal his promo videos. Eleftheriou expressed his frustration with the
> App Store review team over the apps' copied-and-pasted reviews with
> five-star ratings.
>
> He sued Apple
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/09/14/flicktype-developer-suing-apple-again-over-apple-watch-keyboard>
> in 2021 after Apple released the Apple Watch Series 7. Thanks to the
> device's larger screen, the company released a full keyboard for it with
> swiping capabilities.
>
> Apple rejected FlickType numerous times in the past but didn't remove the
> copycat apps, and Eleftheriou said he lost revenue as a result. Eleftheriou
> said he was in talks with Apple over a potential acquisition, and filed the
> lawsuit when he found the Apple Watch Series 7
> <https://appleinsider.com/inside/apple-watch-series-7> keyboard similar
> to FlickType.
>
> The suit further alleged that Apple does little to police the App Store
> because it benefits from developers pushing high-priced subscriptions onto
> users.
>
> According to a report
> <https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/01/apple-settles-lawsuit-with-developer-over-app-store-rejections-and-scams/>
> on Thursday, Apple has settled the lawsuit with Eleftheriou. A request for
> dismissal of the lawsuit was filed on July 21, 2022 after Apple and Kpaw,
> Inc, Eleftheriou's company, finalized an agreement.
>
> The terms of the settlement aren't clear.
>
> Users can report scam apps in the App Store after Apple brought back
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/10/04/app-store-again-lets-users-report-a-problem-like-scam-apps>
> a tool called "Report a Problem" in 2021. It's listed in the Information
> section, alongside details such as age rating, category, and more.
>
>
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/09/01/apple-settles-lawsuit-with-developer-over-app-store-scam-apps?utm_medium=rss
>
>
>
>  David Goldfield
>
> Assistive Technology Specialist
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Re: thoughts on SE3

[Devin Prater]

Thanks y'all for all the comparion. I might be getting an SE3 soon, to replace this iPhone X R. Does the SE3 have that spatial audio thing, like the 11 and up?Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 28, 2022, at 4:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Holly, 
 
Yes, you are correct there, the first sentence that "the phone is not small" is misleading.
The rest of what he says is fine, "
If you want a smaller size phone, then go for the 13 Mini like I did.  I can carry the Mini easily in any pocket".
The fact is that if you can carry a 13 Mini in any of your pockets you could put an SE 2022 in that same pocket unless Kelly wears skinny jeans with such small pockets that the eight inch more in width and the quarter
 inch more in length really is an issue 
As I stated, the size difference is very small, but still you get a significantly larger screen on the 13 Mini and better water proofness so if I wanted a small phone the 13 Mini is what I would also buy.
 
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
-Original Message-
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Siegardt:
 
Yes, but Kelly's statement that the SE 3 is not a small phone is really misleading.  The SE 3 fits nicely in my pocket, and the price difference is a factor for many.

 
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Re: Lost Vault

[Devin Prater]

So, I just started playing last night, and my name there is Devin.
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 9:51 PM Grace  wrote:

> Hi Molly,
>
> Yes, I run a tribe myself, and other than the people I actually know from
> other places, I have no idea and have not asked whether the other members
> are cited or blind. It’s probably the first game I have played where it
> literally does not matter if you can see or not.
>
> On 10 Jun 2022, at 9:09 am, Molly O'Sullivan 
> wrote:
>
> Here’s the Applevis link for the game:
>
> https://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/games/lost-vault-idle-retro-rpg
>
> Grace, I agree that more people should play. The developer seems to be
> taking accessibility seriously, and I like that it is a game both blind and
> sighted can play equally. I don’t think my tribe knows I can’t see. :p
> Molly
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 9, 2022, at 6:37 PM, Grace  wrote:
>
> 
> Hello,
>
> I am playing it and really enjoy it.I am Atalante on there and you can
> send me a pm if you get stuck. Also, under my resources at the top left
> hand corner of the screen, there is a spot where you can enter a referral
> code. I if you use my code TWMRAX
>
> You get 10 free bottle caps.
>
> I hope more blind players join this role-playing game which is great fun
> and quite addictive it. :)
> have a nice day, Grace
>
> On 10 Jun 2022, at 5:47 am, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> 
> I've never heard of that game before.
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 4:44 PM Molly O'Sullivan 
> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone playing this game?  I am really enjoying this completely
>> accessable rpg.
>> I am fayeThe Man on there, and I am newly cheif of the tribe Chalupas, if
>> anyone is interested in joining!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Lost Vault

[Devin Prater]

I've never heard of that game before.
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 4:44 PM Molly O'Sullivan 
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> Is anyone playing this game?  I am really enjoying this completely
> accessable rpg.
> I am fayeThe Man on there, and I am newly cheif of the tribe Chalupas, if
> anyone is interested in joining!
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> Sent from my iPhone
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iPhone onscreen keyboard not working after braille display connected

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. I have a student who uses a braille display with their iPhone.
They've not used the display with their phone in a while, so type using the
regular onscreen keyboard. Now, though, the iPhone thinks the braille
display is connected when it isn't, and Bluetooth is off. We've tried
restarting the phone, turning on "show onscreen keyboard", and not even
that worked to show the onscreen keyboard. She does have an update to the
version of iOS that fixed the Siri commands that were disabled, but will
that fix this issue, or is there something else that should be tried?
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Re: Weary of Siri

[Devin Prater]

Have you checked your storage? Sometimes low storage space effects things.
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 7:27 AM CHELA Robles  wrote:

> While I don't have the "Working on that," response I do still have the
> "having problems with the connection" in addition to making sure that this
> device is on the same network as this home pod which I don't own one. I
> told y'all about the run-around with Apple Accessibility yesterday night
> and I own an iPhone 8 Plus. This issue persists when I connect bluetooth
> devices such as the AirPod Pros and the BoseFrames Tempo, and when I
> disconnect from them, or my Mifa bluetooth speaker, it takes two attempts
> with Siri to launch apps.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 19, 2021, at 5:22 AM, Esther Levegnale 
> wrote:
>
> I'm glad I'm not the only one having trouble with Siri.  Sometimes he
> speaks, while at other times he does not.
>
> Esther
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
> On Nov 19, 2021, at 8:13 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> She's old and wrinkled and needs to be traded in.
>
> Chris Judge
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Dan Yates
> Sent: November 18, 2021 11:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Weary of Siri
>
> wow! What the heck is wrong with Siri lately. I thought that, after the
> upgrade, it would no longer be in the cloud and we would have less issues
> since jit would be on a our phone. Frequently I’m getting this stuff like
> “one sec  or “working on it and finally somethings wrong please try again.
> Dan
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Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users

[Devin Prater]

Yeah, good luck. Apple Arcade has no games that were made with accessibility in 
mind. So there is precedent for them ignoring a bit of accessibility. Luckily, 
Eyes-free Fitness is floating around somewhere, so that resource can still be 
used. Sure, without the Apple Watch metric, but still, it’s available.
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> On Sep 19, 2021, at 9:15 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
> 
> Well I think someone should start a petition on change.org regarding this 
> because Apple has to take into consideration that the disability community 
> wants to take part in being fit and staying fit not just walking in my 
> opinion and having the added audio descriptions like they’ve had with their 
> last Apple event and all their original shows and movies, it’s a very much 
> needed added benefit and right for us. I wonder why they decided to add audio 
> descriptions for everything else but the fitness app. That just doesn’t sound 
> right to me. I’m going to do all I can to make it known to Apple that this 
> needs to be done.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2021, at 6:47 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you for this thread.
>> I just activated my three-month free trial. Now I know I won't be renewing. 
>> lol. Granted... I haven't tried the app yet but... 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 6:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Chela and thank you for the feedback.  
>>> 
>>> I don't know why but I just assumed that Apple had come up with some kind 
>>> of magical way of making this service accessible for blind and low vision 
>>> subscribers.
>>> 
>>> It just goes to show you that no matter how far we have come, there is 
>>> still so far to go.
>>> 
>>> Again, thank you for sharing your experience.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of CHELA Robles
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 9:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users
>>> 
>>> Hey Mark Taylor, it’s very interesting you bring up this topic because I 
>>> just tried it out not too long ago in fact I think I tried it out on Monday 
>>> and I quickly gave up because there weren’t any audio descriptions during 
>>> the video as to how to do certain things that’s why I chose to do the 
>>> walking workouts since all I had to do was walk even though I really wanted 
>>> to do the body core workouts those were not really described unfortunately 
>>> there’s some really good cardio ones but again you run the risk of them not 
>>> being described as far as the movements go. The walking ones are easier for 
>>> me since all I have to do is walk or run for a certain amount of minutes. 
>>> Sorry I can’t be very helpful. I only just recently started using Apple 
>>> fitness plus whatever it’s called since I already have an Apple one 
>>> subscription that has four services in one.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 16, 2021, at 5:00 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> Question:  does anyone use or has anyone used Apple Fitness Plus?  If 
>>>> so, how was / is your experience?
>>>> 
>>>> So much of the content is video-based, at least, that is how it 
>>>> appears in all of the Apple Keynote Presentations.
>>>> 
>>>> I know that they mentioned something about adding more audio-based 
>>>> content to the service but just wanted to get some feedback here in the 
>>>> forum.
>>>> 
>>>> I look forward to your replies,
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
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Re: the Alex voice

[Devin Prater]

When I use a Siri voice, it lags a bit. Alex, and the Vocalizer voices,
don't do that.
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On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 9:25 AM Star Gazer  wrote:

> Can you explain more responsive ?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 7, 2021, at 09:09, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> 
> Yes, because he sounds the most natural, as well as being the most
> responsive. I like him around 55 to 65%.
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> On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 10:56 PM Casey Wollner  wrote:
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>> Hi are any of you using the Alex voice on your phone?
>>
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Re: the Alex voice

[Devin Prater]

Oh it's still there, just not so present when it's not reading a long text.
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On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 8:28 AM Paula Jordan  wrote:

> Interesting. I, too, use Alex at a speed somewhere between 55 and 65. I
> haven’t noticed the annoying breathing problem in quite some time. With any
> luck and God’s good grace, that little annoyance is gone for good. Have a
> safe and healthy day.
> God bless!
> Paula and the pups
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 9:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: the Alex voice
>
> I keep my speed rate for all voices to 57%.  I've used Alex before.
> He is pretty good.  I just don't have him downloaded at the moment because
> I don't have all that much space on my 256 gig iPhone.  I really don't like
> that breathing thing he does.  Although I have heard him read some text to
> speech books before and he really isn't all that bad.
>
> On 9/7/21, Devin Prater  wrote:
> > Yes, because he sounds the most natural, as well as being the most
> > responsive. I like him around 55 to 65%.
> > Devin Prater
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> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 10:56 PM Casey Wollner 
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> >>
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Re: the Alex voice

[Devin Prater]

No, it cannot.
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On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 8:31 AM hshaneclark  wrote:

> Hi ,
>
> Just curious, can this particular voice be used with Android? I've heard
> it a few times and like it myself, would be nice to have on my phone if
> there was a way.
>
> Shane.
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2021 at 9:09 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> Yes, because he sounds the most natural, as well as being the most
> responsive. I like him around 55 to 65%.
> Devin Prater
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>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 10:56 PM Casey Wollner  wrote:
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>> Hi are any of you using the Alex voice on your phone?
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Re: the Alex voice

[Devin Prater]

Yes, because he sounds the most natural, as well as being the most
responsive. I like him around 55 to 65%.
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On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 10:56 PM Casey Wollner  wrote:

> Hi are any of you using the Alex voice on your phone?
>
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Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType

[Devin Prater]

Or maybe we just like to have options: the option to use an open platform
when Apple gets to be too smothering.
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:29 PM CrazyEyez  wrote:

> Can't be that much of a choke hold if you come back to be abused by the
> apple products to play your beloved games.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 24, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I hear you Sieghard! I tend to avoid such inflammatory words and phrases
> myself because I want people to read the content of my message and not get
> caught up in any colorful choice of words. I also realize that some people
> make a very informed decision on what device to use, and I don’t want to
> cast any dispersion on anyone just because they have different priorities
> and make a choice I wouldn’t have made. I’m not perfect, but I try to treat
> everyone and the decisions they’ve made with respect. I also try to talk in
> examples rather than making blanket statements.
>
>
>
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>
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Sieghard Weitzel
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 24, 2021 11:43 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>
>
>
> Why do people have to be so intense and use terms like "choke hold" It's
> very simple, if you don't like the way Apple does things use an Android
> phone, but what's the point in these words or terms which are utterly
> subjective. I have used an iPhone since 2009 and not once have I felt
> "choked", if you have then I'm glad you now have an Android phone which
> gives you all the freedom to do exactly what you want although I am sure
> that even the grat platform of the Android OS has at least one or two
> drawbacks or maybe it is entirely perfect by now. Whatever works for the
> user is what you should use.
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Donna Casteen
> *Sent:* August 23, 2021 6:47 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>
>
>
> Devin, I too have escaped the choke hold of Apple. My iPhone is used to
> play games that android does not have. I also get to continue using an
> accessible keyboard like Flick Type. And before I'm told I'm no longer
> welcome in the group, I still update my phone & participate in the public
> beta program. & use my iPad for my creative writing course.
>
>
>
> Donna
>
>
>
>
>
> Donna
>
>
>
> 
>
> So, I can no longer participate in discussion just because I, who have
> been using Apple devices for years, no longer use mine regularly and
> promote the fact that Android is a viable alternative when huge issues of
> Apple's control pops up? I'm glad you're not a moderator.
>
> Devin Prater
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:21 PM Richard Turner <
> richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> I wrote him as well.  I primarily use MBraille when I don't have a
> keybaord available.
>
> I do not mean to minimize the impact on dedicated FlickType users; and I
> wonder if somehow this issue between FlickType and the App Store/Apple was
> brought  to mainstream media's attention if something more would be
> accomplished.
>
> I was partly reacting to someone who has already jumped ship to Android
> whom I hope stops contributing to Apple discussions if he is no longer
> going to use Apple products.
>
> Personally, I can braille faster than I could use FlickType, but I fully
> understand the impact it would make on me if MBraille had to go away
> because of some unknown issue with Apple, and I would have the same
> reaction you and others are having to FlickType's removal.
>
> But, I have bluetooth keyboards and braille displays to use if MBraille
> faced the same fate; so I still say, it is not the end of the world; but a
> damnable inconvenience, which probably should not have to happen.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
> it." -- Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType

[Devin Prater]

So, I can no longer participate in discussion just because I, who have been
using Apple devices for years, no longer use mine regularly and promote the
fact that Android is a viable alternative when huge issues of Apple's
control pops up? I'm glad you're not a moderator.
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On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 12:21 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> I wrote him as well.  I primarily use MBraille when I don't have a
> keybaord available.
> I do not mean to minimize the impact on dedicated FlickType users; and I
> wonder if somehow this issue between FlickType and the App Store/Apple was
> brought  to mainstream media's attention if something more would be
> accomplished.
> I was partly reacting to someone who has already jumped ship to Android
> whom I hope stops contributing to Apple discussions if he is no longer
> going to use Apple products.
> Personally, I can braille faster than I could use FlickType, but I fully
> understand the impact it would make on me if MBraille had to go away
> because of some unknown issue with Apple, and I would have the same
> reaction you and others are having to FlickType's removal.
> But, I have bluetooth keyboards and braille displays to use if MBraille
> faced the same fate; so I still say, it is not the end of the world; but a
> damnable inconvenience, which probably should not have to happen.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
> it." -- Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>
>
> website:  www.turner42.com
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Richard,
>
>
>
> While I agree that the loss of FlickType is not the end of the world, it’s
> going to dramatically impact how I use my iPhone. I much prefer typing my
> own content as opposed to dictating it and FlickType has made it very easy
> to compose text messages and emails with my iPhone’s screen fairly quickly
> without the need for another keyboard.
>
>
>
> Just out of curiosity, how much do you use FlickType for input on your
> iDevice?
>
>
>
> I will certainly adapt to the loss of FlickType but my speed and accuracy
> of input is going to take a big hit. I did write an email to Phil Schiller
> expressing my concerns but realistically, I’m not holding my breath that it
> will make any difference. I do believe that users are responsible for
> providing feedback when an app’s accessibility is broken or an accessible
> app is totally withdrawn as in this case due to some dispute with the App
> Store. I’ll continually encourage those in our community to provide this
> feedback because sometimes, the squeaky wheel does get the grease.
>
>
>
> Alan Lemly
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2021 10:06 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>
>
>
> I  Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to
> the “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to
> impact Apple’s wallet.  A few people switching to Android certainly won’t.
>
>
>
> I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad,
> but not the end of the world.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
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>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Devin Prater
> *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>
>
>
> I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough
> edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone,
> what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good
> at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple,
> or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple
> will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App
> Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few
> people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all,
> thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands
> complaining about fortnight hasn't either. If it 

Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType

[Devin Prater]

It's definitely not the end of the world, but I hope we won't continue
having this type of problem, but something tells me we will as Apple's
success grows and their App Store team has more and more they have to do
and look out for.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/



On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:06 AM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> I  Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch to
> the “somewhat dark side, grin” will do so, which is what it would take to
> impact Apple’s wallet.  A few people switching to Android certainly won’t.
>
>
>
> I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too bad,
> but not the end of the world.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Devin Prater
> *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2021 7:38 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>
>
>
> I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough
> edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone,
> what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good
> at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple,
> or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple
> will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App
> Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few
> people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all,
> thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands
> complaining about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's
> great. But if not, prepare to vote with your money. Android isn't as dark a
> side as you think. :)
>
> Devin Prater
>
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>
> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 12:35 AM 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone <
> viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple’s Phil
> Schiller schil...@apple.com to urge him to intervene personally to sort
> out the problems leading to the developer of FlickType withdrawing his app
> after his updates were rejected for mystifying reasons.
> Regards
> Harry
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Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType

[Devin Prater]

I voted with my wallet and went with Android. Sure, it's got its rough
edges, but at least I control what is on my phone, what can go on my phone,
what app stores are on my phone, and can even play the video games I'm good
at, on my phone. Its not perfect as I said, but I have control, and Apple,
or Google for that matter, cannot take it away. I think the only way Apple
will change so drastically is if they notice a decrease in money. Their App
Store is very dear to them as a money-making ability, so I doubt a few
people complaining about a specialized app will move them. After all,
thousands of people complaining about CSAM hasn't, and thousands
complaining about fortnight hasn't either. If it does, though, that's
great. But if not, prepare to vote with your money. Android isn't as dark a
side as you think. :)
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/



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> Jonathan Mosen is urging as many of us as possible to email Apple’s Phil
> Schiller schil...@apple.com to urge him to intervene personally to sort
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Re: NLS eReader by Humanware observations

[Devin Prater]

I mean, I’m not complaining, just find it interesting.
Devin Prater
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Https://devinprater.flounder.online

> On Aug 15, 2021, at 4:04 PM, Julia Kulak  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. Richard, thank you very much for this description. Devon, I 
> don’t care if the voice over driver has more holes than a block of Swiss 
> cheese. I am just grateful to have a free braille display! Julia.
>> On Aug 15, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Try going into keyboard help mode on the iPhone with Space with K, and press 
>> the Up and Down keys. See the holes in VoiceOver's driver for the thing. :) 
>> NVDA has no such faults, go figure.
>> Devin Prater
>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com>
>> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 2:49 PM Richard Turner > <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> I have had the eReader from NLS made by Humanware for about three days.
>> 
>> My impressions are below, in no particular order.
>> 
>> 1. The neck strap is cheap and not at all comfortable. It is too skinny, and 
>> made out of a very rough material.
>> 
>> 2. There are two space bars that for me, are not positioned well. I use my 
>> right thumb for pressing the space bar and I find its position slightly too 
>> far to the right.
>> 
>> 3. There are the 20 cursor routing buttons over each cell, but no markers 
>> every 5 like on most displays with routing buttons.
>> 
>> 4. The keyboard is ergonomically designed with the slight curve. The space 
>> bars are below the braille cells, which is fine for me but I know some 
>> people prefer the space bar closer to the keyboard.
>> 
>> The keys have more play in them than I expected. They feel a little spongy.
>> 
>> 5. The case makes it look like a hardback book. It opens just like a book 
>> cover, with the spine on the back of the unit leaving the front thumb keys 
>> exposed.  The best word I can think of is, "cute."
>> 
>> 6. The braille feels better to me than on the Humanware braille note touch 
>> plus, but not quite as good as on the Orbit Readers.
>> 
>> 7.  It does not have a note taker, but can be connected to a computer or a 
>> smart phone to be used as a braille keyboard.
>> 
>> 8.  The setup for Bluetooth devices is much like other Humanware displays.  
>> It follows Humanware's logic, which is not my logic, but following the 
>> instructions did work.
>> 
>> 9.  NLS BARD login and download is very straight forward.
>> 
>> 10.  Changing braille grades is slow.  Press Space+g and you have to wait 
>> about 6 or 7 seconds before the grade shows up, Then, once the one you want 
>> is on the display, wait another 6 or 7 seconds for the display to go back to 
>> what you were doing.
>> 
>> 11.  when used as a braille input device with an iPhone SE 2020, it works 
>> pretty much as well as all displays work, which is very good.
>> 
>> 12.  The battery life seems to be maybe 6 or 8 hours, hard to be sure yet.
>> 
>> 13.  There is no internet browser, Wi-Fi is used for downloading BARD books 
>> and updating the firmware.
>> 
>> 14.  The wi-Fi set up was pretty straight forward, as Humanware devices go.
>> 
>> 15.  I have not tried using it with the computer.
>> 
>> 16.  It takes approximately 20 seconds to start up and about 17 seconds to 
>> shut down.  Probably due to the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth functions, I am not sure.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> To get an eReader from NLS you have to contact your regional library for the 
>> blind and sign up for braille materials, and then request the eReader.  If 
>> you already receive braille materials, simply contact them and ask how to 
>> get sign up for an eReader if your library is participating in the program 
>> that is..
>> 
>> At this point, it is still considered a pilot program and you have to agree 
>> to participate in several surveys at 2, 4, and 6 months after receiving the 
>> device and of course, to return it if you are not going to use it.  If you 
>> want, you can keep it after the pilot project is finished.
>> 
>> Oregon seems to be getting the Humanware device; some states are getting the 
>> one from Zoomax.
>> 
>> There are YouTube videos walking through each device, settings, how to…, 
>> etc..
>> 
>> Here is the physical description link for the Humanware device: 
>> https://www.loc.gov/item/webcast-9336/ 
>> <https://www.loc.gov/item/webcast-9336

Re: NLS eReader by Humanware observations

[Devin Prater]

Try going into keyboard help mode on the iPhone with Space with K, and
press the Up and Down keys. See the holes in VoiceOver's driver for the
thing. :) NVDA has no such faults, go figure.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/



On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 2:49 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> I have had the eReader from NLS made by Humanware for about three days.
>
> My impressions are below, in no particular order.
>
> 1. The neck strap is cheap and not at all comfortable. It is too skinny,
> and made out of a very rough material.
>
> 2. There are two space bars that for me, are not positioned well. I use my
> right thumb for pressing the space bar and I find its position slightly too
> far to the right.
>
> 3. There are the 20 cursor routing buttons over each cell, but no markers
> every 5 like on most displays with routing buttons.
>
> 4. The keyboard is ergonomically designed with the slight curve. The space
> bars are below the braille cells, which is fine for me but I know some
> people prefer the space bar closer to the keyboard.
>
> The keys have more play in them than I expected. They feel a little spongy.
>
> 5. The case makes it look like a hardback book. It opens just like a book
> cover, with the spine on the back of the unit leaving the front thumb keys
> exposed.  The best word I can think of is, "cute."
>
> 6. The braille feels better to me than on the Humanware braille note touch
> plus, but not quite as good as on the Orbit Readers.
>
> 7.  It does not have a note taker, but can be connected to a computer or a
> smart phone to be used as a braille keyboard.
>
> 8.  The setup for Bluetooth devices is much like other Humanware
> displays.  It follows Humanware's logic, which is not my logic, but
> following the instructions did work.
>
> 9.  NLS BARD login and download is very straight forward.
>
> 10.  Changing braille grades is slow.  Press Space+g and you have to wait
> about 6 or 7 seconds before the grade shows up, Then, once the one you want
> is on the display, wait another 6 or 7 seconds for the display to go back
> to what you were doing.
>
> 11.  when used as a braille input device with an iPhone SE 2020, it works
> pretty much as well as all displays work, which is very good.
>
> 12.  The battery life seems to be maybe 6 or 8 hours, hard to be sure yet.
>
> 13.  There is no internet browser, Wi-Fi is used for downloading BARD
> books and updating the firmware.
>
> 14.  The wi-Fi set up was pretty straight forward, as Humanware devices go.
>
> 15.  I have not tried using it with the computer.
>
> 16.  It takes approximately 20 seconds to start up and about 17 seconds to
> shut down.  Probably due to the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth functions, I am not
> sure.
>
>
>
> To get an eReader from NLS you have to contact your regional library for
> the blind and sign up for braille materials, and then request the eReader.
> If you already receive braille materials, simply contact them and ask how
> to get sign up for an eReader if your library is participating in the
> program that is..
>
> At this point, it is still considered a pilot program and you have to
> agree to participate in several surveys at 2, 4, and 6 months after
> receiving the device and of course, to return it if you are not going to
> use it.  If you want, you can keep it after the pilot project is finished.
>
> Oregon seems to be getting the Humanware device; some states are getting
> the one from Zoomax.
>
> There are YouTube videos walking through each device, settings, how to…,
> etc..
>
> Here is the physical description link for the Humanware device:
> https://www.loc.gov/item/webcast-9336/
>
>
>
> Here is the physical description link for the Zoomax device:
> https://www.loc.gov/item/webcast-9653/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>
>
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Re: Club house question

[Devin Prater]

Before, you couldn't. Now, you can.

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 1:32 AM Debbie April Yuille <
debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> You’re welcome.
>
>
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Kay Malmquist
> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 August 2021 2:02 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Club house question
>
>
>
> Hi Debbie,
>
> Thanks much for your response.  I'll give it a shot when I land long
> enough to do so.  Sounds interesting.Take care.
>
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Debbie April Yuille 
>
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 11, 2021 10:44 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: Club house question
>
>
>
> Hi Kay
>
>
>
> All you have to do now is put the app on your phone and sign up using your
> mobile number.
>
> Once you’ve done that, the app will prompt you on what to do next. There
> is also a Mac and Windows app called ClubDeck if you do not wish to
> continue using your iPhone.
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Kay Malmquist
> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 August 2021 6:10 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Club house question
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have just recently dragged myself out of the dark ages and updated the
> IOS on my phone.  A long while back, someone sent me a link to join
> Clubhouse and I couldn't act on it because I was still using 12 on my
> phone.  As I said, I am now using the updated version and I would like to
> try Clubhouse.  I no longer have the link that was sent to me, but can I
> still install it without an invite?  Thanks for any help.  Stay tuned
> because the phone itself is going to undergo an upgrade as well.
>
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
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Re: inquiry on PDF documents

[Devin Prater]

She can use TeamViewer on the iPhone. AIRA won’t be able to control her phone 
to sign for her, but she may be able to sign the documents. Also, yeah, 
TeamViewer is definitely free on Windows.
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> On Jul 2, 2021, at 7:59 PM, Denise Barajas  wrote:
> 
> Well, she claims Teamviewer is no longer available for free for Windows and 
> that's what she needs to go through. She could use the computer as well, but 
> without some easy way to get this done either on the phone or computer when 
> she has no scanner would make it difficult.
> 
> Is there no way to have actual guidance with how to scan? She has KNFB reader 
> as well, but when vo says top left, right, bottom" or whatever not visible, 
> obviously she does not know where to go, as she's totally blind and this is 
> required.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:34, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Scanning can be done using Voice Dream Scanner. Signing, though, I’d say 
>> get Adobe Reader from the App Store, then use AIRA to help in signing it. 
>> She’ll need to get TeamViewer beforehand, before calling AIRA, to maximize 
>> use of the free five minutes. So, she’d scan the document to read it, and 
>> then use Adobe to sign it. Kinda convoluted, but if she only has an iPhone, 
>> that’s the best I can come up with.
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>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Denise Barajas >> <mailto:dbaraja...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know of an accessible way to scan and sign a PDF document on an 
>>> IOS device sent via email? I'm asking for a friend that works and sends 
>>> paperwork, but she has no access to a printer so the most cost-efficient 
>>> solution would be greatly appreciated.
>>> Currently, she has been going to a sprinting shop, signing and having 
>>> visual assistance to tto scan the document on her phone and therefore, 
>>> keeps the physical copy of the document.
>>> all help would  be absolutely greatly ppreciated in advance
>>> 
>>> regards,
>>> 
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Re: inquiry on PDF documents

[Devin Prater]

Scanning can be done using Voice Dream Scanner. Signing, though, I’d say get 
Adobe Reader from the App Store, then use AIRA to help in signing it. She’ll 
need to get TeamViewer beforehand, before calling AIRA, to maximize use of the 
free five minutes. So, she’d scan the document to read it, and then use Adobe 
to sign it. Kinda convoluted, but if she only has an iPhone, that’s the best I 
can come up with.
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> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Denise Barajas  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Does anyone know of an accessible way to scan and sign a PDF document on an 
> IOS device sent via email? I'm asking for a friend that works and sends 
> paperwork, but she has no access to a printer so the most cost-efficient 
> solution would be greatly appreciated.
> Currently, she has been going to a sprinting shop, signing and having visual 
> assistance to tto scan the document on her phone and therefore, keeps the 
> physical copy of the document.
> all help would  be absolutely greatly ppreciated in advance
> 
> regards,
> 
> Denise Barajas
> ent from my iPhone
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Re: Speak screen, Expand speaking bar. What is this?

[Devin Prater]

Yes. You can either expand the speaking bar, by double tapping I think, then 
tap on “stop”, or go to settings > Accessibility > Spoken Content > Speak 
screen and turn it off. See if either of those help.
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> On Jun 22, 2021, at 9:05 PM,  
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> Hi all,
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Re: Major problem with latest iOS

[Devin Prater]

You can go to Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, then
VoicOver Recognition, and in the screen recognition section is a list of
apps. You can turn screen recognition off for an app here.
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On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:24 AM Dana Leet  wrote:

> I think what everybody is failing to realize is when this problem occurs
> there is no evidence of screen recognition in the rotor whatsoever because
> the screen is 1000% completely blank meaning your app is completely useless
> you can’t do anything with it whatsoever as nothing speaks and when you ask
> someone to review the screen it is completely black
>
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> On Jun 11, 2021, at 12:16 PM, Matthew Bullis 
> wrote:
>
> 
> If you're in an app which has screen recognition turned on, twist the
> rotor to screen recognition and flick down to turn it off. Then twist away
> so as not to accidentally turn it on again.
> Matthew
>
>
> On Jun 11, 2021, at 9:06 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> 
> Why can you not turn it off?
> Devin Prater
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> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 10:33 AM Tim Leet  wrote:
>
>> Attention everyone, the latest iOS update has caused major problems. I
>> currently cannot use Microsoft outlook nor can I use Aira. When I try to
>> open these apps the only thing you get is a blank screen. I think one of
>> the reasons for this is because we turned screen recognition on while I was
>> in the app the other day. We did a reset on the phone and did a back up
>> through iTunes, called Apple and they did a screen share and video and send
>> a ticket to the tech-support. They ask that anyone that is having problems
>> with any app not opening to please contact them and let them know about it
>> so they can try to find the problem. My wife is also having difficulty with
>> an app she downloaded yesterday it was working she turned screen
>> recognition on to try to figure out something in the app and it will not
>> load anymore. So the best advice I could give you is do not turn screen
>> recognition on if you do you may not be able to use the app that you turned
>> it on with because you definitely can’t turn it off once this happens.
>> Again anyone having these problems need to let Apple know.
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Re: Major problem with latest iOS

[Devin Prater]

Why can you not turn it off?
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On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 10:33 AM Tim Leet  wrote:

> Attention everyone, the latest iOS update has caused major problems. I
> currently cannot use Microsoft outlook nor can I use Aira. When I try to
> open these apps the only thing you get is a blank screen. I think one of
> the reasons for this is because we turned screen recognition on while I was
> in the app the other day. We did a reset on the phone and did a back up
> through iTunes, called Apple and they did a screen share and video and send
> a ticket to the tech-support. They ask that anyone that is having problems
> with any app not opening to please contact them and let them know about it
> so they can try to find the problem. My wife is also having difficulty with
> an app she downloaded yesterday it was working she turned screen
> recognition on to try to figure out something in the app and it will not
> load anymore. So the best advice I could give you is do not turn screen
> recognition on if you do you may not be able to use the app that you turned
> it on with because you definitely can’t turn it off once this happens.
> Again anyone having these problems need to let Apple know.
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Re: Keynotes.

[Devin Prater]

Keynotes is the Apple version of PowerPoint or Slides. Basically, you make
presentations with it.
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On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 9:01 AM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

> A friend of mine and I are wondering, what does Keynotes do?
> I opened it, and it seems that there is an object finder or
> locator and I don't know what all. I tapped on Recent
> Documents, but kept getting Browse.
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Re: WWDC

[Devin Prater]

Mmm, guess I should get into Clubhouse more. I’m more interested in the Spatial 
Audio, and the stereo Spacial Audio simulation thing. And ambient sound. Just 
all the audio stuff! 
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> On Jun 9, 2021, at 6:24 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> First, I like that Apple does things no other company attempts to do.
> I am interested in the changes in Apple Maps. Supposedly, the end user
> will be able to point his camera when getting off a train and the
> iPhone will tell him exactly where he is and give turn by turn walking
> directions to his final destination. iOS 15 is able to determine exact
> location by analyzing the look of the buildings around the end user
> and comparing it to Apple Maps.
> 
> As for list chatter, the keynote, which lasted for more than an hour
> and a half, was audio described. This was followed by a Clubhouse
> gathering facilitated by Jonathan Mosen which listed for nearly two
> hours.  After more than 3.5 hours of information and chatter on iOS 15
> and Apple software, I am at the point of exhaustion.
> 
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/9/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Assuming you are not being tongue-in-cheek, I have friends in their 70's who
>> do tons of hiking/mountain climbing.
>> When talking to health professionals, they focus in on those kinds of
>> features because of their clients with all kinds of disabilities, not just
>> aging, grin.
>> Someone in their 50's with Parkinson's disease for one example.  There are
>> many medical conditions that contribute to balance problems other than
>> Simon's drinking, grin.
>> 
>> I think I will stay off this thread and follow a bit of cowboy wisdom I ran
>> across yesterday in a book I was reading; "When your horse is dead, get off
>> it."
>> 
>> Later,
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>> 
>> Web site: www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 8:24 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: WWDC
>> 
>> Richard, I think you got it wrong. Let's not forget Chelsea or whoever it
>> was during the keynote who showed off the new Photos features, she was a
>> young, professional San Francisco Bay area person and apparently likes
>> mountain climbing so maybe the fall detection feature is for people like
>> her.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna
>> Dresner
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 1:00 PM
>> To: VIPhone Mailing List 
>> Subject: Re: WWDC
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think the focus features will be great for anyone who is easily
>> distracted, including people with ADD and similar issues. I think it's great
>> that they are making it possible for people with more and more different
>> kinds of needs to use these devices. The great thing is that you can use the
>> features you need and ignore the rest.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Richard Turner 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fascinating, Mark, so you think the young, rich, bay area people are going
>>> to be needing the hearing aid features, the fall risk features, and others
>>> I won't bother with here.
>>> 
>>> I could not disagree more with your statement.
>>> 
>>> Simon, Several of the health features are clearly targeting older adults.
>>> You may not be there yet, but those are going to be good features for the
>>> vast majority of people using iPhones one day.
>>> 
>>> I know someone who was helped greatly by the fall detection as they live
>>> alone and the fact that their watch alerted her emergency contacts that
>>> she had fallen, was possibly a life saver.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>> 
>>> Web site:
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C2ffd9536357d4c37270808d92b5ab00e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637588490767732571%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=4SZdyIURC1fyQh2B3CresCKcUWt49XDIodB4%2Fv1Fxcg%3Dreserved=0
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>>&

Re: WWDC

[Devin Prater]

I'm more excited about Shareplay. I mean, not just for watching movies with
people without the awful TV noise, but also for general screen sharing,
gaming stuff, all that. I think FaceTime will be used a heck of a lot more
now. Also, Dolby Atmos for FaceTime? Man these kinds of things are what
I've been asking companies to look into. Background noise for focusing or
relaxing? Stuff like this! Apple's push for better and better audio, with
even Apple Music getting Dolby Atmos support, is amazing for me. Just
imagine background ambience 2.0, where maybe the sounds will be task
dependent, like soothing noise for reading, something calming for social
media to maybe mellow out the rage online, something focusing for writing,
stuff like that! I mean, I'd probably have this on a lot if it comes to
MacOS, just to keep me focused and on-task or even motivated. Just imagine
what can be done with sound to help with motivation. And if one is working
in XCode, maybe a little rewarding sound for every function created or
every 50 lines of code. Or in writing, a rewarding sound for every 100
words, or every scene or chapter written. I mean, all this is just getting
started! Imagine Dolby Atmos for VoiceOver TTS and sounds, so that the
voice isn't just jammed into your ear punching with every word. Rather,
speech could be outward a bit, in front of you, maybe with slight reverb to
soften things a bit and make you feel like you have space around you. Stuff
like that.
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On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 12:35 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hardware typically is very insignificant during WWWDC, it's all about the
> new features of the various software platforms and traditionally iOS has
> always taken up a big portion of the time.
>
> And let's not downplay photos on the Apple watch, after all, if you have
> the 44mm watch that is 1.73 inches not a measly 1.5 inches.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Simon A Fogarty
> *Sent:* Monday, June 7, 2021 8:54 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: WWDC
>
>
>
> I’m sitting here watching it, and so far it’s all been about ioS, iPadOS
> and associated features as well as health and fitness plus on the watch
>
> I’m approx. 50 minutes into the show and they still haven’t looked at
> macOS or any mention of hardware.
>
>
>
>
>
> Waw, looking at and sharing photos on an apple watch in watchOS 8,
>
>
>
> How does someone see a photo on a 1.5inch screen!?
>
>
>
> Waw.
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Sieghard Weitzel
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:10 pm
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* WWDC
>
>
>
> I am really surprised to come home tonight and to find virtually nothing
> about today's WWDC keynote. I guess the good old days are over when the
> Viphone list had 200 messages on a day when Apple delivered a keynote.
>
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Re: Apple getting cheap

[Devin Prater]

Can confirm, I bought an Samsung phone, and am liking it so far. So, yeah,
if y'all don't like Apple, you truly do have options. Is TalkBack as good
as VoiceOver? I'd say it's about 60% of the way there. So you aren't locked
in, even when it comes to accessibility. And, Samsung phones have
fingerprint readers. :)
Devin Prater
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On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 3:26 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> Folks, you do not have to buy Apple products if they upset you so much.
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Re: Apple getting cheap

[Devin Prater]

Yep, and Apple set the standard on truly wireless being five hours, because
that's all anyone would ever need, right? right? At least some go up to 8
hours, sometimes. I just wish phones at least had two USB C or Lightning
ports, so if we used wired headphones, we could still charge our phones
with a wire too. Thank goodness batteries are better and last longer
nowadays.
Devin Prater
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On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 2:46 PM lenron brown  wrote:

> Well bluetooth headphones need to have charge for a week. I get tired
> of recharging. Wired is still good even if it's lightning or usb C.
>
> On 4/15/21, Mary Otten  wrote:
> > They may have been the first to drop the headphone jack, but many others
> > have followed and will continue to follow. Wired headphones are going
> away.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 15, 2021, at 12:18 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> >>
> >> I say screw them it's just another way for them to be cheap. Can't for
> >> get the fact that it's a ploy to get you to buy extra chargers, and
> >> airpods when they dropped the headphone jacks, and of course them not
> >> putting them in the box.
> >>
> >>> On 4/15/21, Mary Otten  wrote:
> >>> Apparently others are following an apples lead. I believe I saw where
> >>> Samsung is dropping the chargers as well. It was either them or Google
> >>> with
> >>> their pixels. Maybe they are being cheap. But we just don’t need all
> >>> this
> >>> extra crap going out into the environment. I have an iPad charger from
> a
> >>> really old iPad mini that still works just fine. And of course I have a
> >>> couple of iPhone chargers and a USB see power block which I think cost
> >>> me
> >>> all of eight bucks. It didn’t exactly break the bank.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 15, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Cristóbal Muñoz <
> cristobalm...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I mean... I do believe it's a good thing that more plastic and
> >>>> accessories like that aren't being put out into the world, but I also
> >>>> definitely think that Apple's being cheap. More like a convenient and
> >>>> specious excuse for them to remove an item and cut the cost of
> >>>> production
> >>>> and logistics and still charge the same under the cover of being
> >>>> environmentally conscious.
> >>>> Either way though, it's not like not having the charger included is
> >>>> going
> >>>> to be a make or break decision for anyone who was thinking of buying
> an
> >>>> iPhone. Just more nickel and diming from Apple.
> >>>> Cristóbal
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message-
> >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> >>>> Richard Turner
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:34 AM
> >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>>> Subject: RE: Apple getting cheap
> >>>>
> >>>> Apple says it is for the environment because most people have all the
> >>>> chargers they need and more.
> >>>> That is certainly  true in our household.
> >>>> I happen to agree with Apple in this case.
> >>>> We have enough (Expletive deleted) stuff in the landfills and ocean
> now
> >>>> to
> >>>> last many life times.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Richard
> >>>> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it,
> >>>> but
> >>>> what they become by it."
> >>>> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
> >>>>
> >>>> Web site: www.turner42.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message-
> >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> >>>> Mich Verrier
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:30 AM
> >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>>> Subject: RE: Apple getting cheapq
> >>>>
> >>>> From what I herd apple is not shipping any of there phones with
> >>>> chargers
> >>>> since they want you to buy them seppritley since you have to remember
> >>>> that
> >>>> apple's main thing is to make money. O shure a

Re: AfterShokz Aeropex headphones

[Devin Prater]

For a full list of controls, see the guides at:


https://help.aftershokz.com/hc/en-us/sections/360004978914-Aeropex

Aditionally, the multi-device pairing works on the Aeropex as well. I
believe you hold down the multi-function button and the volume down
button while in pairing mode to turn it on or off. It's a pretty great
pair of headphones, and don't throw away your earplugs like I did! If
you turn on the Bass Boost mode, it sounds even better!


On 3/10/21 11:05 AM, blindfait...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>  
>
> I have just received a new pair of the AfterShokz Aeropex bone
> conducting headphones and I can’t seem to get them to turn on. I have
> had them charging for about an hour now and I just assumed that they
> would have enough battery by now to power on. Is there anyone on the
> list who has this pair of headphones and if so, can you let me know
> how you first power them up? There are only 2 buttons on these
> headphones that I can tell, a volume rocker and what I believe is the
> power button on the left side.
>
>  
>
> Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
>
>  
>
> Thank You,
>
>  
>
> Scott Rumery
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Re: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Devin Prater]

Of course he'd just get someone else to write it. I just have so much
other stuff to do. Like, I can't always just write a long form post
about comparing screen readers when people could just look at the
respective sites for them, read their documentation... But I'm glad they
found someone else to write for them, lol.

On 3/1/21 8:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>
> I found the article by searching for the title.
>
> The author is: CHRISTOPHER WRIGHT
> , who apparently is
> wrong, grin.
>
> It is on the GeeksModo web site at: Comparing VoiceOver and NVDA |
> GeeksModo 
>
>  
>
> I would suggest any Mac VoiceOver user who can point out his errors
> contact him through the web site’s comments.
>
> Here is one that is up already:
>
> Tyler Stephen says
>
> TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2021 AT 9:32 AM
>
> Is the Disk Utility crash bug not fixed in macOS 11.2?
>
>  
>
> Christopher Wright says
>
> TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2021 AT 4:45 PM
>
> I don’t know. I exclusively run Windows on my Mac and haven’t used Big
> Sur’s 11.2 update. If this indeed has been fixed, I can edit the
> article to reflect
>
> this.
>
>  
>
> My only statement about this article is what an absolute waste of
> bytes, and I wouldn’t use a Mac if you gave it to me, but I know lots
> of people who use Mac’s exclusively and hopefully will take this
> person to task on their stupidity.
>
> .
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Richard
>
>  
>
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical
> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> My web site, www.turner42.com 
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf
> Of *Christopher Chaltain
> *Sent:* Monday, March 1, 2021 6:08 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA
>
>  
>
> I think the author is pretty upfront about the fact that they’re
> currently a Windows user. Maybe you’d like to point out where the
> article is incorrect. I’m not a VoiceOver user on the Mac myself, but
> I would like to know more.
>
>  
>
> Also, if you’re going to repost an article it would be good if you
> could post the entire article, including who the author is or provide
> a link to the article, so people can read it in it’s entirety. BTW, I
> did see this forwarded to another list, so this isn’t my first time
> reading this.
>
>  
>
> --
>
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
>  
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> *On
> Behalf Of *kliph miller Sr
> *Sent:* Monday, March 1, 2021 6:50 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA
>
>  
>
>
> It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
>
> 1. This is a windows user
>
> 2. They haven’t done there homework.
>
> Note: I am not the author of this article!
>
>  
>
>
> Introduction
>
> The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are
> blind or visually impaired. One of the most important tools a
> blind user uses with modern computing devices is a screen
> reader. Traditionally, screen readers have been very expensive
> third-party programs that were very difficult to obtain
> depending on one’s financial status. However, several free yet
> capable screen readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The
> two that we will be discussing are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS
> and the Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for Windows. Both are
> powerful screen readers in their own right, but they have
> their strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in more
> detail. Hopefully by the end of this article, you will have a
> better understanding of each product and its individual
> strengths/weaknesses.
>
>
>   NVDA
>
> Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open
> source screen reader for the Microsoft Windows operating
> system. The organization behind the project is an Australian
> company called NV Access (www.nvaccess.org
> 
> ).
> It has been around since 2006 and primarily competes with the
> JAWS for Windows screen reader produced by Freedom Scientific
> or Vispero as they are now known by. It offers many of the
> same features that JAWS offers and should be suitable for 99%
> of screen reader users. The philosophy behind NVDA is

Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

[Devin Prater]

I think they're getting all their AI and features ready for Apple Glass.
After all, it'd be really cool to get real-time "image recognition" from
apple Glass, maybe paired with the iPhone still, but it'd still be amazing!
Devin Prater
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 12:14 AM Simon A Fogarty 
wrote:

> I'm glad I live in New Zealand!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2020 4:00 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away
> people are
>
> This feature doesn't have to just be used while you're walking around. It
> can be used when you're sitting in a restaurant or standing in a line.
> Plus, there's just something to be said for getting a new feature like this
> out into the wild before every scenario has been addressed. Let those who
> can use it start using it while others figure out how to take advantage of
> a new innovative feature.
>
> --
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> Chaltain at Gmail
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> > Simon A Fogarty
> > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 4:12 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away
> > people are
> >
> > Wayne,
> >
> > I agree that it's an interesting feature, But do wonder about how best
> > it will be used by people and I mean all users not just the sight
> impaired.
> >
> >  The holding the phone in front of me would be my concern or first
> > concern, However if you could pair this feature with a device such as
> > or for example the google glasses or if apple had a device of similar
> > type,  Then I might be more interested in it.
> >
> > So a headset like was mentioned with Data from star trek,  Pairing
> > with the iPhone feature for distance,  I think would more interest me.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> > Wayne Merritt
> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2020 4:55 am
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away
> > people are
> >
> > To respond to the original post, I think it's an interesting concept
> > being able to tell where and how far away people are with your phone.
> > To those concerned about one walking around with their phones out, I
> > have done this anyway when using the Aira app. One of my colleagues is
> > very excited about this general ability with the iPhone 12 Pro for the
> > accessibility benefits. I think it is interesting, however I also
> > think it is interesting the new iPhone is getting a feature that many
> > people are not going to use because they're at home due to the virus.
> > It seems like the iPhone 12 in general has some test features in it
> > which are not widely available, such as 5G and this new people
> > detection. I'm going to wait for them to more fully develop in next
> > year's phone. I would be interested to hear any podcasts from any
> > brave soul who has purchase the iPhone 12 Pro and is willing to
> demonstrate the new people detection feature.
> >
> > Wayne Merritt
> >
> > On 10/31/20, h.begum99 via VIPhone  wrote:
> > > That would be great, wouldn’t it? I want his visor as well!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Sieghard Weitzel
> > > Sent: 31 October 2020 05:32
> > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away
> > > people are
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Forget it, I want at least Geordi La Forge's visor if not his ocular
> > > prosthetics, a silly iPhone 12 Pro won't cut it.
> > >
> > > And for those who are not Star Trek fans, Geordi is one of the main
> > > characters in Start Trek The Next Generation, he was blind from
> > > birth, but became Chief Engineer on the Enterprise under Captain
> Jean-Luc Picard.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> > > mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
> > > Behalf Of karuna Chopra
> > > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:22 PM
> > > To: ViPhone  > > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
> > > Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away
> &g

Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

[Devin Prater]

I'd definitely take TouchID back. I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.
Devin Prater
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:54 PM Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

> If I could have touch or facial ID, I'd take touch; I think it is more
> secure. Actually, I think it extremely unlikely that someone would hold up
> my phone and snatch it, once it was on, but there is that likelihood with
> facial, where with touch, I'd really be in trouble if someone force my
> finger, and they wouldn't know which to use, because I did not use my
> forefinger, when I had fingerprint. I guess they'd know if they'd seen me
> with my phone. Anyway, it does seem maybe a smidgen more secure to have
> touch rather than facial ID.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
>
> For my part, I just find touch ID to be a bit more convenient then face
> ID. There are just those times when I don't need to hold the phone up to my
> face, like when I'm lying down or sitting at a table. My hand is already on
> the phone, since I have to touch the screen to interact with it, so it
> would be no big deal to use touch ID.  With face ID though, I have to
> remember to then hold it up to my face, and since I didn't do it
> immediately, I may have to do it more then once or just resort to entering
> my PIN. I don't hate face ID, and I wouldn't avoid buying a phone just
> because it didn't have touch ID, but with all things being equal, I'd go
> with a phone that supported touch ID.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> > Michael Maslo
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 11:35 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID
> >
> > Hello everyone, just out of curiosity why do people want finger  print
> > scan instead of facial ID?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Michael maslo
> >
> > > On Oct 14, 2020, at 20:05, M. Taylor  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > >
> > > Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a
> > > fingerprint sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12
> series.
> > >
> > > I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at
> > > its conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
> > >
> > > I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> > > orchard; but not quite.
> > >
> > > You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on
> > > the new iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not
> > > using a fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy
> > > phone, every single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it,
> > > and do it extremely well, I might add, then why not Apple?
> > >
> > > Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn
> > > and we must reap, what we must.
> > >
> > > I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.
> > >
> > > I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my
> > > beloved 8 Plus for a little longer.
> > >
> > > Mark
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Devin Prater]

I have focus issues when trying to verify my Google account in Safari in
Google Forms. I'll have to report that one, I can't share the ... well I
probably can share the link to the form to Apple accessibility but they
wouldn't have to verify their account or whatever. Yeah, sys-diagnose
should work fine for this.
Devin Prater
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 2:27 PM regina alvarado 
wrote:

> I think that the focus issue is mostly in apps that have not been made
> properly to work with iOS 14. I had problems with one or two pages of the
> iOS, but where I’m having a terrible time is on my bank. I only have a Icon
> that takes me to my bank so I don’t know if it’s an app or online, but it
> does have focus issues. If you flick to the right it will take you back to
> the top no matter what you try to do. I can do it by touch sometimes I
> touch into the middle of the page and then go back and fix it. However,
> most of the problems are being worked out by people updating Their apps.
>
> Reggie Alvarado
>
> On Oct 6, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> That is right, and that is why,k I'm still on 13.7.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
>
> A good place to start would be to keep track of what people have been
> reporting on this list for the last 3 weeks and to read the information
> available on Applevis.com about iOS 14, it's been spelled out many times
> what the major issues are.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ
> & AA MAY
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 8:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
>
>
>
> I haven’t as yet upgraded to IOS 14. Rather than saying it sucks, perhaps
> listers could say what is wrong with it so I can then decide whether to
> upgrade or not?
>
> Alison
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: 06 October 2020 15:56
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 14 sucks!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Some people always look at the cup as half empty and not half full and to
> them everything sucks.
>
> I must admit, however, that the focus issue in iOS 14 is extremely
> annoying and in some cases causes huge accessibility issues.
>
> I called Apple Accessibility this morning to ask about something and the
> technician wanted to connect to my screen, he sent the request and I tapped
> on Accept, but then a second screen came up where I had to tap on "Agree"
> and it was not possible, Voiceover was stuck on "Decline" and it was
> clicking and jumping around like crazy if I even so much as touched the
> screen a bit and in the end the only very non-accessible way to connect to
> Apple Accessibility was to turn Voiceover off and for my wife to tap on the
> "Agree" button. Without sighted help I could not have connected.
>
> I asked the guy when they would finally fix this annoying issue (he knew
> of course exactly what I was talking about) and he said "very soon". Of
> course I hear from 14.2 beta testers that in the most recent beta this
> apparently has not yet been fixed and for the public we aren't even on iOS
> 14.1 let alone 14.2.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <
> viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Daniel MacDonald
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: iOS 14 sucks!!
>
>
>
> Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time
> iOS beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck.
> Sure, iOS 10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better.
> iOS 14 has bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that
> is reporting these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to
> here, “iOS 14 sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to
> find a sonic like you to complain and use insulting language. Update or
> not, that is your prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these
> thoughts, well, I say to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2.
> why do you think this anyway?
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
>On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater  <mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
>I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to
> see why peopl

Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Devin Prater]

Of course they have, at least one totally blind person working there, maybe
two. But they're working there to build the stuff, I think. I don't know
what they exactly do, but they seem to depend on us a good deal for testing.
Devin Prater
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 9:35 AM Gerardo Corripio  wrote:

> Just appreciate every day that we’ve talking phones, without needing to,
> as before, buy separtely a Talks or Mobile Accessibility license. Remember
> too that software is software, thus it’s very important to have more Beta
> testers, but overall, for Apple to take more into account feedback from
> those who Beta test. And as an afterthought, doesn’t Apple have blind folks
> among its staff, to test VoiceOver for bugs?
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>
> El 6 oct 2020, a la(s) 8:08 a.m., Devin Prater 
> escribió:
>
> 
> I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see
> why people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the
> current year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto <
> jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.
>>
>> One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I
>> want to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me
>> leave Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet
>> or email away from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for
>> calls and texting too. Just putting all the questions out there
>>
>> Thanks for your prompt attention!
>>
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Devin Prater]

As you probably know, as I'm on the Public Beta User's list, I tested 14
too. I said in my email something like "You know, 14 sucks, 13 sucked, 12
sucked..." meaning people's perception of it, because that's what this is.
It doesn't really cuck, unless you have that focus issue, but people come
up against these smaller bugs that they've not seen since 13 launched, or
whatever, and they think it sucks because impressions.
Now, it is insulting to me as well when people say it sucks, because I
Invested plenty into reporting braille issues and dealing with bugs much
worse than the public have seen. Believe me. But these are users, and they
have their perceptions.
Devin Prater
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 9:24 AM Daniel MacDonald <
daniel.angus.macdon...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, I respectivly disagree. I am sharing my perspective as a long time
> iOS beta tester. iOS 14 is different but it deenatly does not suck.
> Sure, iOS 10 had its share of bugs in the early beta(s), but it got better.
> iOS 14 has bugs too, as do all software releases, the only way to fix that
> is reporting these bugs to Apple. It is insulting to me as a beta tester to
> here, “iOS 14 sucks,” the hard work I did reporting bugs to apple, only to
> find a sonic like you to complain and use insulting language. Update or
> not, that is your prerogative, but to come on a public list and read these
> thoughts, well, I say to you, since you think iOS 14 sucks, beta test 14.2.
> why do you think this anyway?
> Daniel
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see
> why people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the
> current year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 12:56 AM Jenny Bomareto <
> jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.
>>
>> One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I
>> want to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me
>> leave Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet
>> or email away from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for
>> calls and texting too. Just putting all the questions out there
>>
>> Thanks for your prompt attention!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: iOS 14 sucks!!

[Devin Prater]

I mean, iOS 13 sucked. iOS 12 sucked. iOS 11 sucked. I'm starting to see
why people hold off on updating until a few release versions into the
current year's release. Maybe 14.2 will be better.
Devin Prater
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> Yes, I have turned off and on the phone several times.
>
> One of you mention turning off Wi-Fi calling does that mean that all I
> want to have a Wi-Fi connection if I do that? Because Matt always had me
> leave Wi-Fi turned on so that way like Steph I wanted to go on the Internet
> or email away from home I could and then I think had have Wi-Fi on for
> calls and texting too. Just putting all the questions out there
>
> Thanks for your prompt attention!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Inquiring about the new iWatch

[Devin Prater]

I've heard from one user that touching the Watch, series six, passed the
gesture from VoiceOver to the WatchOS, so if you tap the Watch and then
swipe quickly, it'll do what a two-finger swipe normally does. Little
things like that. But not much else, good or bad.
Devin Prater
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 2:46 PM Jim Portillo  wrote:

> Hi there,
>
>
>
> I’d like some thoughts from anyone who has the newest Apple watch.  I’m
> seriously thinking about upgrading from my current series 3.  Aside from
> that, I’ve been having trouble upgrading to the latest watch version, which
> makes me think I should upgrade anyway.
>
> What do people like about the newer watch, and what are some of the
> advantages to upgrading?  What are some disadvantages or things you’ve
> found don’t work well yet?  Is it worth the upgrade? What about VoiceOver
> and accessibility issues or glitches?
>
> I know I can get some money for my current watch and use it toward a
> trade-in.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>
> Jim
>
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14

[Devin Prater]

I'm sure the braille commands for the modifiers are in the commands
section, but basically you press the command modifier command, and then
type r on the braille keyboard. This makes using a braille display almost
like having a Bluetooth keyboard in functionality.
Devin Prater
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:19 AM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> Which I did, sorry about bringing it up here.
>
> I do make mistakes, but I’m human.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *davycupp...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:10 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14
>
>
>
> So report it through the beta report method then as you are a beta tester.
>
>
>
> *Van:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *Namens *Richard
> Turner
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 24 september 2020 17:03
> *Aan:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Onderwerp:* Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14
>
>
>
> Point well taken.
>
> I can confirm this is not a bug in the release of iOS 14.
>
> I am replying with my Logitech K480 after using command+r.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 
>
> Richard please be honest now
>
>
>
> Are you using ios14 or ios14 betas?
>
> If you are using a beta you’d better not report beta bugs on alpha forums
> to make people afraid of new alpha bugs that not exist.
>
> Davy
>
>
>
> *Van:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *Namens *Richard
> Turner
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 24 september 2020 16:41
> *Aan:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Onderwerp:* RE: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14
>
>
>
> I’ve not heard of that keyboard.
>
> You are on iOS 14, right?
>
> It could be it is only broken in the 14.2 beta.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Gerardo Corripio
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:40 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Bluetooth keyboard/braille device command broken in 14
>
>
>
> Works just fine here at my end. I've anElle-Gate keyboard if it helps any.
>
> Gera
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>
>
>
> El 24 sep 2020, a la(s) 8:28 a.m., Richard Turner <
> richardturne...@outlook.com> escribió:
>
> 
>
> Has anyone tried using their Bluetooth keyboards, braille or qwerty, to
> reply to an email since iOS 14?
>
> It is not working.
>
> I’ve tried it with a qwerty keyboard, and two braille devices.
>
> Command+n for new works fine.
>
> But command+r for reply does nothing.
>
> I’m reporting my findings to Apple Accessibility and since I am also on
> the beta to them.
>
> Please do likewise if you can confirm.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
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Re: Just Press Record and pausing recordings?

[Devin Prater]

Did you bring that up to the developers of the app?
Devin Prater
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 7:38 AM Gerardo Corripio  wrote:

> With the news that the “Just Press Record” app now generates stereo
> recordings since yesterday’s update, I’m really giving it a go! But what
> I’d like to see is that the Magig Tap instead of stopping completely the
> recording, allow to pause it? What if you were in an interview, and you
> wanted to pause the recording to drink some watr or other tasks? It’d be a
> bother to have to put both recordings together afterwards! Plus if you
> flick over to the Pause Recording button, the recording wouldn’t sound as
> natural as if via a double-tap. Why not make it a toggle, for those who
> prefer it to behave as usual?
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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Re: Quiet rant of the morning

[Devin Prater]

If you don't like what beta testers do and test with and go through as far
as huge bugs, then test yourself. Be a part of the solution next time then.
Apple *said* that they want people testing these betas. I can't speak for
the programmers, but I don't use dictation much myself. I use a braille
display or braille screen input. If you had been testing, and if you had
filed feedback, maybe it'd be better by now.
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On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:42 AM deidre muccio 
wrote:

> Hello all,
> I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the
> security patches are very important and so they always make sure that they
> update. However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the
> things that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause
> me to be discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers
> and the beta testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural
> changes happen over the years, Things like they give the tabs different
> names, and then they put the positioning of things such as delete versus
> remove in different places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use
> different gestures to remove a particular mail from a list of threaded
> emailsWhen it was so easy to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do
> these minor changes  benefit when other things could be corrected, such as
> things in the rotor… what about the inability to select text using the line
> feature? for those of us using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth
> keyboard, the speech recognition capacity in my estimation has greatly
> deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri is more and more cumbersome and
> requires very specific syntax, which I’ve known all along was the case, but
> siri truly seems to have gotten less and less able to make sense out of the
> simplest requests. I find this totally baffling. And I’m not always
> mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else that if  auto correct and
> auto predictive text areturned off does the program still insist on putting
> parts of words phrases and pronouns in there that are absolutely never
> correct and require A lot of extra time to edit them out?
> There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I
> was happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so,
> I have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with
> work arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but
> things that get broken  and things that do not get fixed that could save me
> a gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome.
> There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s
> fortunate that I still love having an  iphone, and I use it daily, in fact
> I use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen
> to be sleeping… So there are still many pluses.
> Deirdre
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone <
> viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >>
> >> 
> >>>
> >>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the
> podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to
> flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I can
> now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary or mark
> as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could flick up or
> down to delete that particular episode
> >>> Harry
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Low Vision features or fixes in iOS 14?

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. What are the new features for people with some sight, that are in Zoom 
or Magnifier, in iOS 14?
Thanks.
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Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com

[Devin Prater]

VO Recognition isn't supposed to be kept on. You enable it in settings,
that is, download the ML stuff for it, then you turn it on in inaccessible
apps, not system wide.
Devin Prater
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 5:09 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help.
> The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the
> drawing board and not released.
> It is mostly useless.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
> Applevis.com
>
> My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything
> that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as
> messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in
> settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone,
> and it seems to be fine.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Cristóbal Muñoz
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
> Applevis.com
>
> Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it?
>
> Cristóbal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
> Applevis.com
>
> Hi,
> I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send
> anything to Apple.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Cristóbal Muñoz
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
> Applevis.com
>
> As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid
> of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen
> recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as
> before.
> It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO
> element bug either.
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-contentdata=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3Dreserved=0
> I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I
> provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did.
> Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could
> share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I
> needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said
> that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and
> swiped.
> Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out
> to Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and
> disruptive bug.
>
> Cristóbal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from
> Applevis.com
>
> For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's
> phone after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure
> there's no issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it.
> Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to
> 13.7 until Apple puts out fixes.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
> > The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even
> > after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It
> > really does make apps unusable.
> >
> > The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary
> > language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll
> > usually double tap and 

Re: Is auto advance on by default for braille in iOS 14?

[Devin Prater]

You can also add auto-advance to your roor, and speed it up or slow it down
from there. Very useful!
Devin Prater
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On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:39 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> No. You have to define braille hotkeys for braille auto scroll, and to
> slow it down and speed it up. Open VoiceOver settings, braille, and on the
> name of your display, flick up to more, and select commands.
> HTH,
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
> On Sep 16, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Kevin Minor  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi.
>
>
>
> I heard a rumor this was coming, and, sure enough, it’s right there in
> braille settings. My question is, is it on by default, and if not, how do
> you toggle it?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Kevin and Jilly
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Re: Apple Arcade, are any of the games accessible

[Devin Prater]

When iOS 14 comes out, using screen recognition, the game Game of Thrones,
Tale of Crows will be usable with screen recognition.
Devin Prater
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On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Donna Casteen 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> No, none of the Apple arcade games are accessible. I just cancelled the
> 1mo. Free that I signed up for, so that my 10y/o would have something to
> keep himself occupied on our trip to CA.
>
> Donnaare any of the games accessible
> >
> > Hi I i’m just curious to know if the Apple arcade and the games in it
> are accessible with voiceover.
> > Jen
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Devin Prater]

With an existing adaptor, or buy one separately. One can use just about any
USB wall adaptor.
Devin Prater
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On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 1:17 PM  wrote:

> So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are
> you expected to charge them?
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>
>
>
> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>
>
>
> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new
> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has
> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own
> phone, and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers
> requires the cellular model.
>
> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th,
> orderable today.
>
> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the
> Series 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available
> Friday the 18th.
>
>
>
> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
>
> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>
>
>
> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be
> released tomorrow, the 16th.
>
>
>
> No mention at all about a new phone.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
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Re: I O S 14

[Devin Prater]

PST
Devin Prater
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On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 9:00 AM  wrote:

> 10:00 a.m. which time zone?
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:21 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: I O S 14
>
>
>
> Apple will be announcing that today during their event starting at 10 AM.
> Until Apple makes their announcement, no one will know.HTH,
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 5:04 AM, Noe Villeda  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hello group,
>
>
>
> Does anyone know when I O S 14 will be released?
>
>
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Re: Apple is greedy, news!

[Devin Prater]

Oh one hand, I would love being able to install any app I want, wether it's
on the App Store or not. That's one of Epic's things. On the other, yeah
all the accessibility work Apple does, making the Siri voices, licensing
the Vocalizer ones, offering free updates and all, yeah that does cost
money.
Devin Prater
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On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:51 PM  wrote:

> Did I miss something? In the article that was posted, it says:
>
> While Google also takes a 30 percent cut from in-app purchases, hosts will
> still get 100 percent of their revenue from Android purchases where
> Facebook Pay is available. Reuters notes, however, that the line Facebook
> added for Android stating that it doesn’t charge fees for purchases isn’t
> showing up either.
>
> Isn't this saying Google is waiving it's 30% if Facebook Pay is used? How
> does this equate with the media not saying anything about Google? Isn't
> this counter to the statement about how greedy Google is?
>
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> > Of Mary Otten
> > Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 9:43 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Apple is greedy, news!
> >
> > Epic try to get a sweet deal from Apple. Apple said no. Epic got mad.
> What
> > nobody is talking about is it epic is also going after Google, which
> charges the
> > same 30% cut that Apple does, although most of the tech press wants to
> > concentrate only on Apple. I wonder why. Might it be that it’s because
> Google
> > will sell your grandma if you’ll let them? Apple isn’t perfect. But they
> don’t make
> > their money off of selling you.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Sep 6, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > This sounds like the epic games situation also.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> > Of janet gross
> > > Sent: Monday, 7 September 2020 1:38 pm
> > > To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
> > > Subject: Apple is greedy, news!
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > > I recently came across this and just thought some might be interested.
> > >
> > > August 28, 2020
> > > Facebook says Apple blocked message noting 30 percent App Store fee
> Apple
> > reportedly refused to display the transparency notice for FB's paid
> online events.
> > > 1. Apple Blocks Facebook Message About App Fees Just when we thought
> we'd
> > run out of "Apple is greedy" news, the tech giant reportedly blocked
> Facebook's
> > message to users who organize paid online events. The message isn't
> showing
> > up on Android, either, but Apple seems to bear the brunt of the
> coverage, of
> > course.
> > > Apple wouldn't allow Facebook to tell its users that the tech giant is
> getting a
> > cut from the sales of paid online events, the social network told
> Reuters. Earlier
> > this month, Facebook launched a new feature that gives businesses and
> creators
> > a way to charge for the online events they host on the platform. Since
> the
> > company rolled it out to help small businesses during the pandemic, it
> vowed not
> > to collect fees from paid events "for at least the next year."
> > >
> > > Facebook said it also asked Apple to reduce its 30 percent App Store
> tax or to
> > at least allow it to use Facebook Pay to collect users' payments
> directly. By
> > doing the latter, it can absorb the costs for businesses, which will
> then get 100
> > percent of the revenue they generate. Apple refused on both counts,
> prompting
> > the social network to join other developers like Epic Games in putting
> Apple on
> > blast for its App Store policies.
> > >
> > > In an effort to let its users know that not everything they pay will
> go to the
> > hosts, Facebook added a notice on the purchase screen for iOS clearly
> stating
> > that Apple will take a 30 percent cut. Apparently, though, Apple blocked
> it from
> > showing that notice to users, citing an App Store rule that prohibits
> developers
> > from showing "irrelevant" information. The company told Reuters in a
> > statement:
> > >
> > > "Now more than ever, we should have the option to help people
> understand
> > where money they intend for small businesses actually goes. Unfortunately
> > Apple rejected our transparency notice around 

Re: Robot vacuums and the iPhone

[Devin Prater]

I would not recommend the Shark vacuums. The app isn't all that great, and
even crashes when trying to input the Wi-fi password. I can't set a
schedule either. The basic functions, clean, pause, find shark, and return
to dock, I can do.
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 1:29 PM Lelia Struve  wrote:

> Hey all, I hope your all well.  So here is my question, a while back there
> was a discussion about robot vacuums and apps.  Can any one tell me which
> vacuum is more accessible with the iPhone.
> Thanks
>
> Lelia
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Re: Copying a link

[Devin Prater]

Maybe you can rotor to "links," and swipe down, and then double tap with four 
fingers.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2020, at 5:04 PM, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you swipe down on the message there is a copy option. It will copy the 
> link but if there is any other text you will have to delete that when you 
> email it to yourself.
> 
> sent from the iPhone 11 Pro
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Tom Cramer  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> I was sent a Zoom link, via a text message, to join a meeting this
>> evening. However, I'd like to be able to join from my PC laptop rather
>> than my iPhone.
>> I went into my message and read the actual link. My idea was to copy
>> it and paste it into an email to myself that I can get on my laptop.
>> I read the link and then did a four finger quadruple tap to see if it
>> would select and copy. It did not. What could I be doing wrong, or is
>> there another way of doing what I want?
>> I wish I could just somehow forward a text message to an email
>> address, but I don't think that's doable.
>> Anyway, thank you for any help.
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Re: The screen recognition feature: was Re: getting a new SE 2020 today

[Devin Prater]

Works with my X R, so it’ll definitely work with the SE2.
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> On Jul 27, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Matthew Bullis  wrote:
> 
> The new feature basically will perform a scan for text on the screen, making 
> previously inaccessible apps hopefully accessible. It will require the latest 
> chips or  processors.
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Jul 27, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> What is the screen recognition? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Matthew Bullis
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: getting a new SE 2020 today
> 
> Does anyone know whether the new SE model will support the screen recognition 
> feature in the upcoming IOS14? I realize it may be too early to tell, but I 
> know it will be only available on tens and up. Maybe the SE doesn't have a 
> certain chip in it? Thanks, Matthew
> 
> 
> On Jul 27, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> 
> The direct transfer is excellent.
> 
> Alan Lemley had posted his steps a couple of times on how to do this.
> 
> I did it but didn’t write down the steps.
> 
> If you can find Alan’s post in the archives, it is worth reading.
> 
> Or, as Fred said, call Apple Accessibility and I suspect they can walk you 
> through it.
> 
> But, definitely back up your current phone.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fred 
> Olver
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 8:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: getting a new SE 2020 today
> 
> 
> 
> Dan, you can and should back-up your six and then you can directly transfer 
> all of your info from the six to the SE. Can't remember how it is done, but 
> call apple Accessability and they can instruct you on how to get this 
> accomplished. It is a farely pain-free process.
> 
> 
> 
> Fred Olver
> 
>   - Original Message - 
> 
>   From: Dan <mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>  
> 
>   To: 'cwc' via VIPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> 
>   Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 10:10 AM
> 
>   Subject: getting a new SE 2020 today
> 
> 
> 
>   I am getting one of these.  I am wondering though if I can do a backup of 
> my current Six and then restore the apps and data from the Six to the new SE. 
>  I suspect not but thought I should ask.
> 
> 
> 
>   Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
>   Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Bluetooth Earbuds (Apple Pros)

[Devin Prater]

It’s still there, just not as bad as with other Bluetooth headphones. There 
will most likely always big lag with wireless stuff though.
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> On Jul 22, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Melanie Clouser  wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> Can anyone tell me whether the lag in VoiceOver when using bluetooth earbuds 
> is gone when/if using the Apple Pro Earbuds (now on sale at B Photo Video)? 
> I’ve ben tempted to purchase them now that I’ve upgraded my iPhone to the new 
> SE model. I’ve only ever used cheaper bluetooth earbuds and I find the lag 
> intollerable. Hoping the better Apple Pro Earbuds/Earpods are better and do 
> something about the lag in VoiceOver.
> 
> Melanie
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Re: Typing programs for learning to type for Mac?

[Devin Prater]

The thing I kinda don’t like about Keystroke is that it doesn’t really keep 
track of stuff. I mean, it’s a nice little thing, and maybe it’ll work for your 
client, but Typing Club gives you hints on where keys are, keeps track of how 
fast you type and stuff, and is continuously being updated. Your client will 
need to know how to navigate with VoiceOver when they use Typing Club, and turn 
off VoiceOver, or mute speech, when the lesson begins, but that’s all they need 
to do. A client of mine used it successfully, but that was in an educational 
setting where we enabled screen reader option “accessibility, blind mode”, for 
them. But I was also able to do that on a test account I made as well.

Now, I will say that Typing Club isn’t Typability. It doesn’t go on long 
descriptions of where to find keys initially, which is something I’ve brought 
up to them, but it does well for a web app made by a company that isn’t 
specifically an AT company.
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> On Jul 18, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I sent this info to my client with the Mac computer.
> I noticed they have a Windows version.
> I tried it out with Jaws, NVDA, and Narrator.  I could not get any of them to 
> reliably read the letters that you are supposed to type automatically.
> If you have to stop and read the line to figure out what to type, it isn’t 
> very accurate.
> I tried following the link in the help menu, but got a 404 server not found 
> error.
>  
> And, the contact form on the New Mexico commission for the Blind web site is 
> less than accessible.
> This seems like a potentially great replacement for a paid typing tutor that 
> my office uses.
> We mostly work with Windows.
> Since this will be off topic for this list, if you have any information that 
> could help, please write me off list: richardturne...@outlook.com 
> <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
>  
> Thanks,
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Aedan 
> Something
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:22 PM
> To: oliver.doug1 via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Typing programs for learning to type for Mac?
>  
> Hi, I found keystroke to work. Once I addapted to the fact that when a key is 
> pressed Voiceover announces the next character I need to type it worked well. 
> I hope it helps.
> https://www.cfb.state.nm.us/apps 
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> 
> On Jul 16, 2020, at 3:20 PM, Richard Turner  <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>  
> Is there any program for Mac computers like the Talking Typer from American 
> Printing House on iOS?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
>  
> Richard
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> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
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Re: Typing programs for learning to type for Mac?

[Devin Prater]

Typingclub.com <http://typingclub.com/> can be configured to speak what to type 
and such.
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> On Jul 16, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Is there any program for Mac computers like the Talking Typer from American 
> Printing House on iOS?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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Re: Siri problem

[Devin Prater]

To a point, we should be grateful. But we must also ask, politely I may add, 
for more. Keep in mind that the accessibility team at Apple aren’t bots, 
although they have responses that they give rather automatically because they 
*cannot* say more at the time. But they *do* want our feedback, positive or 
negative. They want to help us do even more with our devices. So don't feel 
like you just have to pray to Saint Jobs and hope they fix the mail focus bug. 
Give them feedback if you want something. Show your gratitude, if you’d like to 
think of it in this way, by telling them what could be better. I assure you, 
Apple won’t delete your VoiceOver off your phone for asking.
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> On Jun 28, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with your rant; and I'll add my own.
> VoiceOver is free.
> You get amazing accessibility, and it does not cost a cent more.
> Bugs exist in all software, get over it.
> If you use a Windows computer, you have to spend a heck of a lot more for 
> good accessibility; and there are bugs there too.
> And, while I'm on the subject, the free screen readers for Windows do not 
> hold a candle to VoiceOver on the iPhones or iPads.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
>> 
>> I can understand someone not liking the voices, but folks this is it 
>> really! If we didn't have these voices or any of them, we would be in a 
>> world of hurtin'. Be greatful that you have choices. Be greatful you have 
>> VoiceOver period. Apple has made it nice for us although thereare bugs. 
>> There will always be bugs so don't expect a perfect world of technology 
>> because they are human, too. Anyway, that's my rant for today.
>> 
>> Jenn 
>> 
>> Jenn and Kumi
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really don't like any of the voices but for now, I've got Siri male. I 
>>> really hate the sound of all of them except for Siri male and really hate 
>>> the way Siri voices pronounce some words. Looks like they could come up 
>>> with better ones.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 1:04 PM, Shirley Baker  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Is this the problem with Samatha that you all are talking or is Samatha a 
>>>> different voice than Siri?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Diane Giannetti  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Someone else had the same problem and she called Apple. I also had the 
>>>>> same problem. What we have to do is change her voice if you have the 
>>>>> American  Female  that seems to be the problem. It was with the last 
>>>>> update that some of us are having a problem with that. I changed it to 
>>>>> the male American Apple had suggested to the other person to change it to 
>>>>> a British voice. So it’s up to you but whatever when you change it and it 
>>>>> should work. Apparently with the next update this should be resolved.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>> For some reason Siri has quit speaking. I have tried pressing the volume 
>>>>>> up after asking her a question and all that seems to do is raise the 
>>>>>> volume of the phone but not Siri. I have also tried rebooting my phone 
>>>>>> and that did not help. What else can I try to get her speaking again? I 
>>>>>> am using the latest iOS update on a iPhone 10S. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Greg Wocher
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Re: Braille characters on a Braille display

[Devin Prater]

That is Unicode Braille. I don’t think Voiceover prints those, but I’ll test 
tomorrow with my iPhone.
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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 4:50 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Using my computer, there was no hello, until you said after that line.
> So, if those are graphic characters, no.
> VoiceOver translates printed characters into braille.
> If they are an image, no.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ben 
> Mustill-Rose
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 2:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Braille characters on a Braille display
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Does anyone know if it's possible for Voiceover to output Braille characters 
> to a Braille display? Consider this next line as an
> example:
> ⠓⠑⠇⠇⠕
> That's hello in Braille. For me,  Voiceover speaks the Braille dot numbers 
> but if I have a Braille display connected nothing gets Brailled. Does anyone 
> know any way of getting Braille characters to show up on a display?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben.
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

['Devin Prater' via VIPhone]

See this page: iOS features <https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-14-preview/features/>

Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
another secret.” Or something.
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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
> about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
> unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and 
> if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover 
> accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and 
> email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

['Devin Prater' via VIPhone]

See this page: iOS features <https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-14-preview/features/>

Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
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> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
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> unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and 
> if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover 
> accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and 
> email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
> Mary
> 
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Re: ipad adjustments

[Devin Prater]

There are keyboard commands for navigating an iOS device. I’d recommend setting 
the Voiceover modifier to Capslock, and maybe teaching him Quick navigation 
with the arrow keys first, for less finger use. You can set things in Settings 
> accessibility > keyboard to help too. Note that you don’t /have/ to have a 
Magic keyboard.

https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-voiceover-with-magic-keyboard-iph6c494dc6/ios
 
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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 2:45 AM, Joe Paton  wrote:
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> Hello.
> first a little background.
> 
> I am working with a person who suffers from ptsd after an injury caused
> by an explosion.
> apart from the psychological injuries, the physical consequences mainly,
> are that his hands shake, and navigating the touch screen is very
> dificult.
> 
> so, is it possible, and how can the touch screen be made less sensitive,
> or delayed action imposed on the device to allow location and activation
> of icons and other app elements on the screen, and within an app.
> Flicking is really dificult for him, and of course explore by touch with
> hand tremmer causes consequences that develop frustration
> We can use a bluetooth keyboard to enter data, so that is not so much of
> an issue. were there keyboard commands to navigate programs and home screens
> that would be desirable, but I can't find out if this is possible,
> so I guess not.  Guessing is of course no use at all. 
> 
> We can use siri for a number of tasks of course, but the locations where
> the device can be used may not always be condusive to dictation.
> I have looked on applevis, but in the limited time I have, I haven't
> turned up much that is solving these problems.
> There are specialised switches, so where to find out about these, there
> availability and if they would help, would be useful.
> Many thanks.
> 
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Re: iphone se 2020 question

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Check to see if your mute switch is switch on. If not, check the “sound and 
haptics” section of settings, to see if your volume is low.

> On Jun 15, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Louise Peyton  wrote:
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> Hello:
> My new SE 2020 doesn’t ring when a call comes in.  It just verbally announces 
> an incoming call.  Also, announced incoming text messages are announced 
> verbally and not with the initial notifying ding.  How do I change these 
> issues to have the ring tone for calls and ding for text messages.  Thanks in 
> advance.
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Re: Braille displays and iOS?

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I use the Focus 14 Blue fifth generation. The scratchpad is okay, no word wrap 
which I find annoying, but I mainly use it with my iPhone anyway.

> On Jun 1, 2020, at 7:27 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
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> Even when it was, I don't think it made it to Australia which is where I'm 
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> I've certainly never come across it at the various trade shows that the sales 
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> 
> On 6/1/2020 10:13 PM, alia robinson wrote:
>> it is. maybe someone else will know by whom.
>> 
>> On Jun 1, 2020, at 7:44 AM, Richard Turner  
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>> I do not believe the Vario Ultra is being produced any longer.
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Re: iOS 13.5 released.

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Nope, its in its last beta stage now.

> On May 18, 2020, at 12:50 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
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Re: any good apps to convert PDF's into an accessible format?

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Voice Dream Scanner is about as good as it gets.

> On May 13, 2020, at 9:50 AM, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
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> hi guys! Is there any app that can convert a PDF into a more accessible 
> format? or at least let me type in it?
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Re: What is speaking bar?

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If you have “speak screen” enabled in Settings > Accessibility > Spoken 
Content, this will appear sometimes. It is the “speaking bar” used to control 
speak screen. To make it go away, the easiest thing to do is to activate speak 
screen on some text, then stop speak screen before it stops itself.

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
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> I occasionally land on something called the speaking bar when I’m flicking 
> around the screen. It will toggle from “minimize speaking bar “to “Maximus 
> speaking bar“. Can anyone tell me what this is?
> Thanks, Danney
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Re: Creating a web site

['Devin Prater' via VIPhone]

This may be too technical for you, but you don’t necessarily have to write 
HTML. And, it’s free. Also, this is a rather old article, so things may be 
slightly different.

https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2014/08/build-blog-jekyll-github-pages/ 



> On Apr 8, 2020, at 5:49 AM, Ian Harrison  wrote:
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>   Hi everyone, hope you are staying safe.
> 
> In this time of great boredom I would like to create a web site for my 
> family. A simple one with no ecommerce etc.
> 
> Has anyone got experience with a provider who is voice over friendly? I am 
> reasonable tec savvy but not a coder or html person. Square space looks good 
> but I can’t find a way to contact them about such a specific question.
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> Thanks in advance
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Re: Rebooting A Phone With No Home Button?

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>From 
>https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/09/21/how-to-force-restart-your-iphone-11-iphone-11-pro-or-iphone-11-pro-max:
> 
>

Press the volume up button once

Press the volume down button once

Press and hold the Sleep/Wake button

Keep holding even when you see Slide to Power Off

Keep holding until you see the Apple logo

So, basically, press volume up, then press volume down, then hold the power 
button for probably about 15 seconds.


> On Apr 7, 2020, at 5:48 AM, Don Moore  wrote:
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> I've got the iPhone 11 because my 8 broke open.  I was looking to reboot my
> phone, and while the button on the right does allot of stuff, I couldn't
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Re: plugable folding keyboard question

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If there is a function key, try pressing Function + Alt + F4.

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 9:08 PM, Larry Lumpkin  wrote:
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Re: Must apple id be an email address

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Yes, it must be an email address.

> On Feb 1, 2020, at 2:44 AM, Fanus Buys  wrote:
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