bug RE: Incoming notifications destroy the reading of a current article

[davycuppens]

This is an ios17 bug so follow me and do all report to accessib...@apple.com

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Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Mary Otten
Verzonden: woensdag 24 april 2024 5:21
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Onderwerp: Incoming notifications destroy the reading of a current article

I have two iPhones, the newer one, an iPhone XR, and my ancient really ancient 
iPhone 7 Plus. If I am reading an article on the seriously older phone, I never 
have this problem. So that means it must have come from an iOS that my old 
phone doesn’t have. I think I’m stuck on that phone on iOS 15. Whenever I am 
reading something, be at an email or something on the web, when a notification 
comes in, I get the notification sound, the reading absolutely stops and it’s 
curtains time. On the old iPhone, the reading just keeps on happening. So I 
don’t know what’s going on if I have a setting that I need to change on my 
so-called newer phone or not. But I am also finding the same crap when I’m 
trying to read an article or something And there are advertisements. The old 
phone just blows them away and doesn’t care. The newer phone, reading stops and 
everything’s crappy. So it’s got to be something in the newer versions of iOS 
that my old 7+ doesn’t have. It’s way more pleasant frankly to read things on 
the old phone because unwanted interruptions and ads don’t kill things.  is 
anybody else noticed this and what can I do about it? 
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RE: Iphone 15 pro max volume-up-down causes announcing ringtone mode

[davycuppens]

Folks 

 

Problem solved, see the Apple accessibility answer and they are right:

 

you for your email. The behavior occurs when you have Change with Buttons
turned on in Settings > Sounds & Haptics. This alert is to let you know that
you are modifying the Ringer and Alerts volume and not the system or
VoiceOver volume. Visually, there is a separate indicator at the top of the
display that shows the Ringer volume.

 

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Onderwerp: Iphone 15 pro max volume-up-down causes announcing ringtone mode 

 

Hi folks 

 

With older iphones, we had a switch key underneath the volume buttons, now
the iphone 15 pro has an action button for which I have set another action
than sound on or off. 

 

But now when I press volume-up, very regularly, my iphone announces the word
ringtone mode. Can anybody reproduce this, is this normal behaviour or a
bug?

Davy 

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Iphone 15 pro max volume-up-down causes announcing ringtone mode

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

 

With older iphones, we had a switch key underneath the volume buttons, now
the iphone 15 pro has an action button for which I have set another action
than sound on or off. 

 

But now when I press volume-up, very regularly, my iphone announces the word
ringtone mode. Can anybody reproduce this, is this normal behaviour or a
bug?

Davy 

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RE: Of-topic question - Blindtech mailing list

[davycuppens]

Hello 

 

If you are German, I am Belgian but speak German very well and I know some 
interesting lists in that country than write me private on davycupp...@gmail.com

 

Regards 

Davy 

 

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If you guys know of other mailing lists interesting for blind / visually 
impaired people - please let me know about them. Feel free to contact me 
privately if it's too off-topic here. (Please send the subscription link 
directly in the mail - I often still have troubles in finding the correct 
details on the internet myself).

Thank you so much for your help! 

 

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RE: iOS 17.3, Anyone?

[davycuppens]

Malcolm 

 

Then please do report to Apple accessibilityagain and again!

Davy 

 

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Onderwerp: Re: iOS 17.3, Anyone?

 

I have one major problem with iOS17 that has not been fixed.

 

If I choose to use British Siri voice three or four with Voiceover when I 
charge my phone the voices are deleted and the device, an iPhone 15 Pro Max 
reverts to using Daniel.  I know I’m not alone in experiencing this issue and 
until recently the same behaviour occurred with my Apple Watch Series 7.

 

Other than that, iOS7 has been working well for me.

Malcolm Parfitt





On 24 Jan 2024, at 23:32, Dan mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yep, I installed it and have seen nothing new either.  I have had no problems 
with it at all.

 

Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA

On 1/24/2024 5:51 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello All,
 
I see that iOS 17.3 is now available.
 
Has anyone installed it yet?  If so, are there any new bugs to report? Or
any issues that we should know?
 
All replies greatly appreciated.
 
Mark
 
 

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RE: dynamic island is always empty even when music is playing or a stopwatch is running

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Bill, OK understood but Jennie is right here, we have to leave the app get out 
of i tand play in the background and so I can find my information, its great!
Davy 

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Onderwerp: Re: dynamic island is always empty even when music is playing or a 
stopwatch is running

No, you are not doing anything wrong. I am not exactly sure what it will be 
used for, but Dynamic Island is something available for app developers to use 
for certain functions. It just hasn’t been taken advantage of yet. 
So time will tell if will prove to be useful or a hindrance to us. 
Bill Outman 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2024, at 12:37 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks
> 
> My good old XR has become slow and sluggish and so I bought myself the 
> 15 pro max, so smooth and what a speed performance!
> 
> I did my homework read a lot about it but for me, the dynamic island, 
> which is new for me, always stays empty even when collapsing or 
> expanding it with the rotor setting.
> 
> When i Play music, normally notifications like elapsed time or the 
> artists name should appear for some apps like spotify or apple music, 
> tunein, but really it is always empty.
> 
> I know you cannot flick you have to swipe up until you find the 
> dynamic island but I cannot do anything with it!
> Am I doing or understanding something wrong?
> Davy
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RE: dynamic island is always empty even when music is playing or a stopwatch is running

[davycuppens]

Jennie 

You did the trick, this is the solution!!!
Many thanx!
Davy 

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Onderwerp: Re: dynamic island is always empty even when music is playing or a 
stopwatch is running

Hi,

ONe use of Dynamic Island is for when you are not in the app and you want to 
see what is playing.

1. Start some music playing
2. Get completely out of the music app. Don’t close it, just go to your home 
screen or another app.
3. Now touch the Dynamic Island and see if it tells you what is playing.
Same with the timer
1. Start a timer
2. Go home
3. Touch the Dynamic Island. It should tell you how much time you have left in 
the timer.

If you cannot see it, call Apple accessibility. They may be able to screen 
share and tell you how to use it.

Jenn

Jennie Facer

> On Jan 24, 2024, at 7:02 PM, William Outman  wrote:
> 
> No, you are not doing anything wrong. I am not exactly sure what it will be 
> used for, but Dynamic Island is something available for app developers to use 
> for certain functions. It just hasn’t been taken advantage of yet. 
> So time will tell if will prove to be useful or a hindrance to us. 
> Bill Outman
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2024, at 12:37 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Folks
>> 
>> My good old XR has become slow and sluggish and so I bought myself 
>> the 15 pro max, so smooth and what a speed performance!
>> 
>> I did my homework read a lot about it but for me, the dynamic island, 
>> which is new for me, always stays empty even when collapsing or 
>> expanding it with the rotor setting.
>> 
>> When i Play music, normally notifications like elapsed time or the 
>> artists name should appear for some apps like spotify or apple music, 
>> tunein, but really it is always empty.
>> 
>> I know you cannot flick you have to swipe up until you find the 
>> dynamic island but I cannot do anything with it!
>> Am I doing or understanding something wrong?
>> Davy
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RE: iOS 17.3, Anyone?

[davycuppens]

There are no problems or bugs reported.
Davy 

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Onderwerp: Re: iOS 17.3, Anyone?

I installed it and I have not noticed any new bugs yet. 
Ryan Mann
Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist rmann0...@gmail.com
386-383-5175


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> Hello All,
> 
> I see that iOS 17.3 is now available.
> 
> Has anyone installed it yet?  If so, are there any new bugs to report? 
> Or any issues that we should know?
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
> Mark
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dynamic island is always empty even when music is playing or a stopwatch is running

[davycuppens]

Hi Folks 

My good old XR has become slow and sluggish and so I bought myself the 15
pro max, so smooth and what a speed performance!

I did my homework read a lot about it but for me, the dynamic island, which
is new for me, always stays empty even when collapsing or expanding it with
the rotor setting.

When i Play music, normally notifications like elapsed time or the artists
name should appear for some apps like spotify or apple music, tunein, but
really it is always empty.

I know you cannot flick you have to swipe up until you find the dynamic
island but I cannot do anything with it!
Am I doing or understanding something wrong?
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do not update ios facebook app V446.0.0

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

If you update to this version: 
- the problem that embedded links are not spoken is NOT solved, Meta is
reluctant to solve bugs for visually impaired people! Do please do all
report to facebook.
- A new bug is back: with each new post, the phrase Profile Photo is
announced again, regressions in accessibility sop lease donot update!
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RE: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[davycuppens]

Hi I will do that, I am a tester for Apple accessibility! J 
Davy 

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Onderwerp: Re: there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 
17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

You may be right Davey there will always be a bug of some kind. The thing that 
is important is when you find it then you would want to call Apple 
Accessibility or get a hold of Apple in someway and talk to them about it and 
work with them on it what you were doing The important thing is that the 
software has had enough of the difficulties in bags worked out that I am all of 
us would be able to use it. You are doing a good thing. Just remember when you 
find something that isn’t working for you get a hold of Apple and work with him 
on it like you were doing right now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2023, at 8:50 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Mark 
> 
> There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 
> 
> For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no 
> feedback is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that 
> and I am testing with them.
> So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
> will never bet he case, never ever!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: M. Taylor  Namens M. Taylor
> Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
> Experience
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
> respective latest versions of the OS.
> 
> I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect 
> of all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet 
> encountered a bug.
> 
> And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid 
> job with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare 
> I say it, even TV OS.
> 
> I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find 
> a bug.
> 
> In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've 
> used since the feature was introduced many years ago.
> 
> I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest 
> OS so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.
> 
> However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, 
> when having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.
> 
> Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
> running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.
> 
> Before installing the OS I:
> 
> 1.
> Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
> version of iTunes.
> 
> 2.
> Backed up the device to iCloud.
> 
> 3.
> Closed every app via the App Switcher.
> 
> 4.
> Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.
> 
> 5.
> Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.
> 
> 6.
> Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
> insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.
> 
> 7.
> Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).
> 
> Mark
> 
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there will always be bugs RE: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive Experience

[davycuppens]

Mark 

There are and will always be bugs or device depenend issues; 

For me there is stil a dictation bug whereas after dictating tekst no feedback 
is given from voiceover of the written tekst, Apple is aware of that and I am 
testing with them.
So it is too positive to pretend this software version is free of bugs, that 
will never bet he case, never ever!
Davy 

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Verzonden: vrijdag 15 december 2023 20:07
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Mark's Update to iOS and iPad OS 17.2: An Extremely Positive 
Experience

Hello All,

Okay, I updated all of my devices, including my Apple TV boxes to their 
respective latest versions of the OS.

I am absolutely stunned to report that after testing virtually every aspect of 
all of my must-have native and third-party apps, I have not yet encountered a 
bug.

And, as painful as it is for me to admit, I think Apple has done a splendid job 
with the new version of the native TV app for iOS, iPad OS and, yes, dare I say 
it, even TV OS.

I also updated my Apple Watch Series 7 to Watch OS 10.  Again, I can not find a 
bug.

In fact, the hap tic time works consistently using the same gestures I've used 
since the feature was introduced many years ago.

I have not yet had the opportunity to use a Braille display with the latest OS 
so cannot comment on that aspect of the OS.

However, I will say that all of the VoiceOver glitches that I experienced, when 
having two active E SIM cards installed, has been completely resolved.

Speaking only for myself, I am absolutely delighted with iOS 17.2.  I am 
running the OS on my beloved 1GB iPhone 14 Pro Max.

Before installing the OS I:

1.
Made a full backup of the device on my beloved Windows 10 PC with the latest 
version of iTunes.

2.
Backed up the device to iCloud.

3.
Closed every app via the App Switcher.

4.
Disconnected any non-crucial devices from my primary network.

5.
Disconnected all of the sub-networks from the primary network.

6.
Rebooted the device, twice, and allowed it to sit idle for 2-minutes.  This 
insures that the device has full acquisition of the network.

7.
Downloaded and install the OS, OTA (over the air).

Mark


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facebook prfile photo of in each post

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

On my facebook newsfeet now, with each post of each person, page or group
that contains a profile photo, so 90% of all things, now, voiceover says as
example:
Profile photo of Davy Cuppens, Davy Cuppens 20 minutes ago and this for each
posting. Each time Profile photo of X and then the name. 

This is extremely annoying, I manage a second fb profile which I rarely use
and with this profile, the problem does not occur.
Can anyone confirm this behaviour?
Davy 

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do not update facebook version 438.2 bug for embedded links not spoken

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Dear folks 

The bug that embedded links especially for newsgroups or newspapers that
provide such postings, were nolonger read by voiceover, is back, so do not
update if you like to use your facebook in that way regularly.
Best regards 
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RE: IOS17.1 first impressions: language rotor missing, Notifications fixed

[davycuppens]

Invoke siri and the lower tone does nolonger show up. Maybe this is meant tob 
e, I will not complain about this.
Davy 

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Verzonden: woensdag 25 oktober 2023 21:34
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Onderwerp: IOS17.1 first impressions: language rotor missing, Notifications 
fixed

Just updated both my IPHone and IPad to 17.1, and it’s so weird what I’m going 
to say: the Language rotor option isn’t there! On both my IPHone and IPad, I 
had to head on over to voiceOver rotor options, with the surprise that the 
Language option wasn’t checked! Thus upon checking it once again, it shows up 
as it should. So just so that you’ll can aware of this little annoyance.
What I’m loving the iOS17.1, though, is that apparently the VoiceOver 
Notification reading bug is fixed! I tested this by going into 
voiceOver/Verbosity/System Notifications, and within the Blocked Screen section 
of the Settings, checked “Don’t do Nothing”, and yes it worked! VoiceOver was 
speechless (not even the time as  did with the 17.0 cycle), of which I’m very 
happy! This is what I’d been expecting all along! What makes me happier is that 
I no longer have to turn off teh speech as before!
Oh and the update is sort of big! On my th Generation IPad it was around 900MB, 
and on this IPHone se 2nd Generation, the 17.1 updated cloked just a it over a 
GB”!Gera Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

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RE: Side button in App Store

[davycuppens]

O My GOD! Why did you buy an expensive iphonen or Apple product then. 
You could do with a smartvision or Blindgel smartphone too and save a lot of 
money if you never use any third party apps.
Davy 

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Onderwerp: RE: Side button in App Store

I have never downloaded anything from the App Store. If I should download Be my 
A Eyes, what all would I have to do to get it? Then, are there some kind of 
instructions as to how to use it? 

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William Outman
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 1:28 PM
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Subject: Side button in App Store

Hello. 
I have gone from an 8 Plus to a 15 Pro. I am asked in places like the App Store 
to confirm with the side button and then in that case double click to install.  
I seem unable to do this. 
Am I not doing that command correctly or is there something I need to set up.  
I was accustomed to using Touch ID with the home button.  
Bill Outman 

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RE: iPhone 12 pro + messenger

[davycuppens]

And did you report?

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Afik Souffir
Verzonden: maandag 16 oktober 2023 18:45
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: iPhone 12 pro + messenger

 

They must fix it, its defect the accessibility in the app.

 

 

Afik Souffir

Expertise Team Representative \ service department \ Strauss water Israel \ 
Strauss-group

 

Johnathan Netanyahu 3A Or Yehuda

afik.souf...@strauss-water.com  

www.strauss-group.com  



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
CHELA Robles
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 7:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: iPhone 12 pro + messenger

 

I highly doubt that they will, though Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2023, at 
9: 30 AM, Afik Souffir  wrote:  It’s a bug 
in Messenger and Meta need to fix it. Afik Souffir Expertise Team 
Representative 

 

I highly doubt that they will, though 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 16, 2023, at 9:30 AM, Afik Souffir mailto:afik.souf...@strauss-water.com> > wrote:

 

It’s a bug in Messenger and Meta need to fix it.

 

 

Afik Souffir

Expertise Team Representative \ service department \ Strauss water Israel \ 
Strauss-group

 

Johnathan Netanyahu 3A Or Yehuda

afik.souf...@strauss-water.com  

http://www.strauss-group.com



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
CHELA Robles
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 7:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: iPhone 12 pro + messenger

 

Yeah, I see whenever I respond to a message. It jumps me way back in the thread 
and I have to lock the phone in order to unlock it again and then get back to 
Messenger and then go to work the most recent messages it’s weird thing it’s 
it’s 

Yeah, I see whenever I respond to a message. It jumps me way back in the thread 
and I have to lock the phone in order to unlock it again and then get back to 
Messenger and then go to work the most recent messages it’s weird thing it’s 
it’s been updated and all that stuff it’s weird in my opinion.

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 16, 2023, at 7:21 AM, Ann M Medlar mailto:amedl...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi all,

I open messenger and have messages going back over 10 years.  Never saw them 
before today.

I did send message back 10 years ago but no idea why they are showing up now.

Any gesture to go to bottom of messages in messenger?

I believe I am at bottom.  

VO states 

11 pages 100% adjustable 

TabBar selected chats  

Last message before this is dated October 4 2009

Thanks,

Ann

 

 

 

 

 

Any ideas how this happened?

 

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RE: iPhone 12 pro + messenger

[davycuppens]

And it will not be fixed while 90% of all blinds are lazy laid-back complainers 
on teir own forums instead of complaining with the distributors of their bugged 
apps! 

DO REPORT NOW!! 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Afik Souffir
Verzonden: maandag 16 oktober 2023 18:31
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: iPhone 12 pro + messenger

 

It’s a bug in Messenger and Meta need to fix it.

 

 

Afik Souffir

Expertise Team Representative \ service department \ Strauss water Israel \ 
Strauss-group

 

Johnathan Netanyahu 3A Or Yehuda

afik.souf...@strauss-water.com  

www.strauss-group.com  



 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
CHELA Robles
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 7:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: iPhone 12 pro + messenger

 

Yeah, I see whenever I respond to a message. It jumps me way back in the thread 
and I have to lock the phone in order to unlock it again and then get back to 
Messenger and then go to work the most recent messages it’s weird thing it’s 
it’s 

 

Yeah, I see whenever I respond to a message. It jumps me way back in the thread 
and I have to lock the phone in order to unlock it again and then get back to 
Messenger and then go to work the most recent messages it’s weird thing it’s 
it’s been updated and all that stuff it’s weird in my opinion.

Sent from my iPhone

 

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Hi all,

I open messenger and have messages going back over 10 years.  Never saw them 
before today.

I did send message back 10 years ago but no idea why they are showing up now.

Any gesture to go to bottom of messages in messenger?

I believe I am at bottom.  

VO states 

11 pages 100% adjustable 

TabBar selected chats  

Last message before this is dated October 4 2009

Thanks,

Ann

 

 

 

 

 

Any ideas how this happened?

 

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RE: iPhone 12 pro + messenger

[davycuppens]

BUG ongoing bug for more than two months now, please DO report to Facebook, not 
to Apple! And DO report nooow!

 

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Verzonden: maandag 16 oktober 2023 18:28
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Onderwerp: Re: iPhone 12 pro + messenger

 

Yeah, I see whenever I respond to a message. It jumps me way back in the thread 
and I have to lock the phone in order to unlock it again and then get back to 
Messenger and then go to work the most recent messages it’s weird thing it’s 
it’s been updated and all that stuff it’s weird in my opinion.

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 16, 2023, at 7:21 AM, Ann M Medlar mailto:amedl...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi all,

I open messenger and have messages going back over 10 years.  Never saw them 
before today.

I did send message back 10 years ago but no idea why they are showing up now.

Any gesture to go to bottom of messages in messenger?

I believe I am at bottom.  

VO states 

11 pages 100% adjustable 

TabBar selected chats  

Last message before this is dated October 4 2009

Thanks,

Ann

 

 

 

 

 

Any ideas how this happened?

 

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RE: Resetting VoiceOver back to default iPhone iOS 17.0.2

[davycuppens]

Sieghard 

Thats what I have done and I will remember that for this suggestion not in a 
form of moaning or complaining because this will not be implemented in ios17 
for sure but this could come in handy as you suggest. I will write it in a 
positive incentive manner to Apple.
I hope hundreds of you will do so, but I know i'll be the lonely one. I know 
from Apple engineers they rarely get bug reports of vips people. 95% of all our 
users will never ever report bugs or suggestions but are lazy bones laid-back 
witing for others to do so!
Regards und schönes Wochenende 
Davy 

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Onderwerp: RE: Resetting VoiceOver back to default iPhone iOS 17.0.2

Suggesting to Apple Accessibility to add a button/feature to reset Voiceover to 
it's factory defaults might not be a bad idea.


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This is not possible, report to accessibil...@apple.com I have the same problem.

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Hello all,
I accidentally mislabeled something on my iPhone homescreen with VoiceOver and 
I'd like to reset it back to the default. How would I go about this?
I am using iOS 17.0.2.


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RE: Resetting VoiceOver back to default iPhone iOS 17.0.2

[davycuppens]

Noup this won't help and this has nothing to do with the mentioned problem.
Davy 

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You can reset your home screen, but I am not sure it will do what you are 
looking for.  This will reset your home screen, getting rid of any folders that 
you created, then listing your apps in alphabetical order.

I am assuming that it is the same in ios 17 as it is in ios 16.  If so,to reset 
home screen, go to settings, general, transfer and reset, choose reset, and you 
will see reset home screen as one of the choices.

Hope this helps.

Chris Chaffin
 

> On Sep 27, 2023, at 10:03 PM, Shai  wrote:
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> Hello all,
> I accidentally mislabeled something on my iPhone homescreen with 
> VoiceOver and I'd like to reset it back to the default. How would I go 
> about this?
> I am using iOS 17.0.2.
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RE: Resetting VoiceOver back to default iPhone iOS 17.0.2

[davycuppens]

This is not possible, report to accessibil...@apple.com I have the same problem.

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Hello all,
I accidentally mislabeled something on my iPhone homescreen with VoiceOver and 
I'd like to reset it back to the default. How would I go about this?
I am using iOS 17.0.2.


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RE: bug to shut-down ipad with physical keys

[davycuppens]

Sieghard 

My mistake, volume-up and volume-down and the power button, this is the case on 
my iphone XR but for newer devices it seems that it has been changed to only 
volume-up +powerkey en this eventually works here, so topic closed.
Davy 

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Onderwerp: RE: bug to shut-down ipad with physical keys

According to all I can find online this has not changed and volume up + side 
butgton certainly still works on my iPhone.
Maybe after a restart all will be back to normal and you have two alternatives:
1. Settings > General > Shutdown
2. Tell Siri "Turn off iPad" or "Power off"

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Hi folks 

Ios17.01 volume-up+down followed by the power or side key does nolonger work; 
it simply locks the screen or in case of long press bring up siri.
Davy 

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bug to shut-down ipad with physical keys

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Hi folks 

Ios17.01 volume-up+down followed by the power or side key does nolonger
work; it simply locks the screen or in case of long press bring up siri.
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RE: IOS 17.0.1 is out finxing bugs!

[davycuppens]

NO voiceover bugs have been fixed yet. That will only occur somewhere in the 
beginning of november when ios17.1 will come out.

Davy 

 

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That’s it!

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

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RE: ios 17 release tomorrow

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Hi folks 

But as you are an RC user, you are in the beta program I assume?
I think what Sieghard says is completely right. But if you don't want the RC 
anymore and stop beta testing, just erase your beta profile, restart the phone 
and the public version will be installed as it is available or download it 
manually then after the release.
Davy 
Davy 

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Onderwerp: RE: ios 17 release tomorrow

The RC most likely is the public release, I would just check to see if it wants 
to update and if it doesn't I wouldn't worry about it.

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Subject: ios 17 release tomorrow

Hi,
I have the rc ios 17 downloaded.  Is there anything I have to do to make it go 
to the public release tomorrow.
Jen

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RE: today's Apple Event

[davycuppens]

There is even no iphone15 pro max?

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Kimberly Gardner
Verzonden: woensdag 13 september 2023 16:58
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: today's Apple Event

I thought the exact same thing. But having watched the "big event" I can say 
that my reaction was a huge yawn. I have zero interest in getting an apple 
watch and couldn't care less about all the carbon neutral stuff. Of course I 
care about the environment, but none of that green-washing is going to change 
my mind about any of these new devices.

Kim

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RE: weird keyboard issue on my ipad 2020 pro and VO+m hotkeys

[davycuppens]

Thanx fort hat, but that is all set in the right way I am using an azerty 
Belgian keyboard and on my iphone it works like it should do. This is not the 
solution.

Davy 

 

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Verzonden: woensdag 23 augustus 2023 20:09
Aan: VIPhone 
Onderwerp: Re: weird keyboard issue on my ipad 2020 pro and VO+m hotkeys

 

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252021262 

Maybe this could help.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:38:17 PM UTC-5 davyc...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Dear all 

I am very confused. 

I like it to work with the VO commands and I cannot use the letter M in 
combination to ctrl+option as I type this keystroke, the M changes into 
semi-colon. 

I explain: I want to go to the status bar typing VO+M that brings up a 
dialog: lock or unlock special keys. 

I have already paired another keyboard with my ipad. 
I did control all of my settings which are totally normal. 
I typed VO+A tob ring up the help section and there press VO+M but help says 
VO+Semi-colon. 

With my iphone XR on the same Appleid, those things are behaving normally as 
it should and I can jump tot he status bar typing VO+m and even option+up or 
down to go tot he control center or message center. 

My Ipad has an Apple smart folio keyboard but even if I connect a third 
party keyboard the same issue occurs. 
Regards 
Davy 

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weird keyboard issue on my ipad 2020 pro and VO+m hotkeys

[davycuppens]

Dear all 

I am very confused. 

I like it to work with the VO commands and I cannot use the letter M in
combination to ctrl+option as I type this keystroke, the M changes into
semi-colon.

I explain: I want to go to the status bar typing VO+M that brings up a
dialog: lock or unlock special keys. 

I have already paired another keyboard with my ipad. 
I did control all of my settings which are totally normal.
I typed VO+A tob ring up the help section and there press VO+M but help says
VO+Semi-colon.

With my iphone XR on the same Appleid, those things are behaving normally as
it should and I can jump tot he status bar typing VO+m and even option+up or
down to go tot he control center or message center.

My Ipad has an Apple smart folio keyboard but even if I connect a third
party keyboard the same issue occurs.
Regards
Davy 

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please do not update whatsapp V2.23.14.74 if you are fond of reacting with standard whatsapp smilies on messages

[davycuppens]

Please do not update tot his version. You can react with smilies, however
you cannot check who is sending these emoticons, if you open that pannel,
you get a sort of gibberish.
Davy 

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RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?

[davycuppens]

Hi Siegard 

In Belgium I am hearing complaints of blind beta testers that randomly edit 
fields toe dit tekst are behaving extremely sluggish.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
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Verzonden: zondag 16 juli 2023 22:14
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?

Caroline, you have to realize that the first public beta was only just released 
a few days ago. This is the third beta since iOS 17 was released and between 
now and mid September, when iOS 17 will be officially released, there will be 
at least another 5 or 6 more beta releases with fixes.
My sighted wife accidently installed it on her iPhone 13 Pro since she didn't 
realize that she was installing a very early beta version so I decided to also 
install it in case she ran into issues and at least I could hopefully help her 
then. The main issue I experience right now is that particularly in the Weather 
Office app which I use here in Canada, Voiceover sometimes goes silent as if 
you were to do a 3-finger double tap, i.e. you still hear the clicks and tones 
when you swipe, but there is no speech. I then have to turn Voiceover off and 
back on with a triple press of the side button. Apart from that everything is 
actually amazingly stable and I have a feeling this will be a decent initial 
release.
In fact, the issue where if you use a Siri voice for Voiceover you sometimes 
get this little hickup where it seems Voiceover restarts and focus goes to the 
top of the screen seems to be gone. This is where if you have screen curtain 
turned on you get a sort of glitch and then Voiceover says "screen curtain on" 
as if it was restarting.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?

If I keep hearing this sort of thing about 17, I'll just skip it and wait for 
17.1. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 9:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?

I agree if you aren’t going to report things don’t join the beta.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?

 

I would definitely move up to 17 when it comes out, and I’d always say IOS 
updates are worth the upgrade, including for VO users. As Sieghard says, 
whether you want to try a beta or not is more dependent on whether you want to 
participate in the beta process than getting access to any new features. In 
other words, I don’t think you should join a beta just to get fixes or new 
features. You should only do it if you want to be part of the testing process 
for these features.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 9:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?

 

One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any 
early public beta on your primary phone that  you have to be willing to expect 
problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps 
you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in 
iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly 
something I have read about in connection with iOS 17.

Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very 
sluggish.

Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to 
Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if  you feel it 
concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to 
let them know.

One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently 
does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and 
may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release 
although once again, it may not be an issue for all users.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM
To: 'cwc' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it?

 

Hi all,

 

I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now.  She 
obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17.  I am just 
wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users.  I haven't used betas 
in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round.

 

Have any of you tried it yet?  Is there anything in 17 worth our serious 
consideration?

 

Apple watch question - watch face direction or signpost does not give the latitude longitude or hight

[davycuppens]

Hi Folks 

I am not sure what the correct translation is for that watch face, but it is
the pre-installed face on the watch that gives the date, temperature but
should also provide information about our whereabouts longitude latitude etc
... But the only thing it tells is 2 figures a 3 and a 5 with hyphons and
commas. It even says hight not available. 
Is there a way to fix this or are there other watch faces providing this
information in a right way?
Davy 

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RE: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

[davycuppens]

This is a bug report immediately to Apple Accessibility.

You could try if your caption panel is on, if so, put it off for me the bug was 
solved then.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Dan Yates
Verzonden: maandag 5 juni 2023 20:42
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: My phone announcing Screen curtain on

For some reason, my phone has begun spontaneously, announcing that my screen 
curtain is on. This can be real irritating when I’m in the middle of reading 
something and I have to start over swipe in to resume reading. I have typically 
kept my screen curtain on for ages to conserve battery life, and to add some 
privacy. Does anyone else know why this is occurring? 
Dan



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one workaround RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[davycuppens]

Hi Sieghard 

 

That is the case, but for all people reading kindle books or have other 
applications blocking when moving tot he next page with the panning keys, press 
space+o to fulfill this task until the bug is fixed.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: dinsdag 23 mei 2023 6:59
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

Sorry, I lost track of Davy's tremendous bug reports, just realized he is 
talking about an iOS 16.5 braille issue not a facebook issue.

I'm not a braille user so I can't comment on that one.

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this 
point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15. 
Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS 16.6 
will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several third level 
updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1, iOS 16.6.2 etc., 
but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late June or early July 
the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September as always iOS 17 will 
be released for the masses. I personally can't see a single reason why one 
should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy described is I assume not an 
iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.

 

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Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking about 
I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yep, that’s it.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com  

 

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com   
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[davycuppens]

Sieghard it is an overall braille bug just check the forums on Applevis.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: dinsdag 23 mei 2023 6:55
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

I'd be interested in what exactly these iOS 16 bugs are you mention. At this 
point iOS 16 is about as mature as it will get with as few issues as iOS 15. 
Just today the iOS 16.6 public beta was released and it is likely that iOS 16.6 
will be the final version of iOS 16, there may of course be several third level 
updates, e.g. there will be iOS 16.6, there may be iOS 16.6.1, iOS 16.6.2 etc., 
but in two weeks iOS 17 will be introduced at WWDC, by late June or early July 
the first iOS 17 public beta will be out and in September as always iOS 17 will 
be released for the masses. I personally can't see a single reason why one 
should avoid iOS 16 at this time and the bug Davy described is I assume not an 
iOS 16 bug but a Facebook bug.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2023 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

I did not even get iOS 16 because all of the problems people kept talking about 
I’m still hanging back on the latest version of iOS 15.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 22, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yep, that’s it.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com  

 

Https://devinprater.micro.blog

 

On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

On 5/22/23, davycupp...@gmail.com   
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[davycuppens]

And for all US citizens, report tot he federation of the blind maybe their 
lawyers can send some legal letters to Apple or start some legal action.

I am fed up wit all those nasty bugs!

Apple must stop making publicity fort heir accessibilitiy enhancements in ios17 
if they are not even able to solve the now ongoing bugs like this bug and the 
dictation inconveniences!

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 21:08
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Onderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

You may also want to alert the Voice Dream Reader folks in case they can do 
something about it. supp...@voicedream.com  

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On May 22, 2023, at 11:51 AM, Anna Dresner mailto:wadres...@att.net> > wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 





On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yep, that’s it.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com  

 

Https://devinprater.micro.blog





On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

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mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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RE: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[davycuppens]

Hi Anna then report again and again over and over again: today, tomorrow until 
they fix it. Please folks start to push pressure on Apple, do it now!

Davy 

 

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Verzonden: maandag 22 mei 2023 20:51
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Onderwerp: Re: new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT 
UPDATE to ios16.5

 

Hi,

 

I’m seeing an issue with Kindle and Voice dream Reader where everything works 
fine until I get to the end of a page. The next page opens normally, but once 
it does, all four thumb keys on my braille display stop working. I hear a thunk 
sound when I press one, and nothing changes on the display. If I press Home, I 
am unable to navigate with the thumb keys. Restarting VoiceOver is the only way 
I have found to fix the problem. After that, panning works fine until I try to 
use Kindle or voice dream Reader again. Apple Books works fine. Are these the 
same problems the rest of you are seeing?

 

I sent a bug report about this a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the problem 
remains in beta 1 of iOS 16.6.

 

Best,

Anna

 





On May 22, 2023, at 10:36 AM, Devin Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yep, that’s it.

Devin Prater

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com  

 

Https://devinprater.micro.blog





On May 22, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Scott Davert mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello.
I'm currently using a Focus 14, but have also used a Brailliant BI
20X. I did not experience general panning issues, but am seeing some
problems with the Kindle app. Maybe others are having similar issues
and I'm not aware?

Scott

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mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Folks

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
Davy

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new tramendous brail panning bug for all brail devices DO NOT UPDATE to ios16.5

[davycuppens]

Folks 

For brail users please do NOT update to ios16.5 and report to Apple
accessibility NOW, do it NOW!

The thumb keys of the brail display functioning as panning keys do not work
as they should, if you press them, sometimes they do mostly they don't.

This bug has been introduced in ios16.5.
DO COMPLAIN with Apple NW!
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RE: Which varrient of iPhone 14 is most suitable for a low vision voice over user?

[davycuppens]

And the sound is somewhat better on the pro max than the pro. Some hear it some 
do not.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
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voice over user?

Go with the iPhone 14 Pro, the Pro Max may be a bit better if you do tons of 
semi-professional photography.
Of course only buy a 14 Pro now if you really need a phone now and you can't 
wait another 4 and a half  or 5 month. If you can wait for the 15 Pro, it will 
totally be worth it in my opinion..

-Original Message-
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Anwar Rafay
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Subject: Which varrient of iPhone 14 is most suitable for a low vision voice 
over user?

I have almost decided to go for iPhone 14 pro varrient, however one of my 
friends advised me to go for pro max version because of its zoom in camera. My 
concern is that which of these two varrients is most suitable for a person who 
some times use magnification function to look at screen along with voice over. 
Is there any special feature in Pro max varrient which is missing in pro 
version? and what is that zoom in function which my friend was refering to? 
What about an idea to go for base version only?
My uses are, taking phone calls, handling banking and social media apps, 
watching youtube and insta.

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RE: the facebook bug in which links are nolonger spoken has gone

[davycuppens]

Right Sieghard but these under the hood updates will eventually cause and sove 
bugs while in earlier days one could decide oneselves to update or not.
Davy 

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And if it solves an issue then who cares how the issue is solved?

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Subject: the facebook bug in which links are nolonger spoken has gone

Hi folks 

The subject says it all but I want to stress that the bug was not solved by a 
ios ap update of facebook. Facebook has made some under the hood improvements 
without updating and that is happening more and more and more with all kinds of 
apps.
I fear this is not a good sign for us depending on accessibility at all. 
I guess within some years, app updates will nolonger be issued as the UI of 
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the facebook bug in which links are nolonger spoken has gone

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

The subject says it all but I want to stress that the bug was not solved by
a ios ap update of facebook. Facebook has made some under the hood
improvements without updating and that is happening more and more and more
with all kinds of apps.
I fear this is not a good sign for us depending on accessibility at all. 
I guess within some years, app updates will nolonger be issued as the UI of
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Davy 

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RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

[davycuppens]

Sieghard 

 

GREAT tip, I tested i tand it worked!

Davy 

 

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Verzonden: woensdag 3 mei 2023 20:25
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Onderwerp: RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

 

Davy,

 

I have encountered apps like that and sometimes doing a one-finger tap and hold 
then swipe up works.

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

 

I have even encountered a problem with an app called livestream2, this is an 
app for dab+ and wifi internet radios. With undok or this app, you can search 
fort he device, pair i tand manage it from your phone or ipad.

When I search for DAB+ stations, voiceover tells me only 15 stations were found 
however more dan 190 are on the display.

Then I have to put off voiceover, do a three finger sweep above, reload 
Voiceover and I can search through all the found items.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Namens Sieghard 
Weitzel
Verzonden: zaterdag 29 april 2023 23:28
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Onderwerp: RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

 

No, but if you touch the vertical scrollbar on the right of the screen you can 
simply flick up or down with one finger.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2023 2:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

 

When I have encountered those lists, I found I have to touch ay item in the 
list on the left side of the screen to make sure VO is focused in the list; 
then do the three finger swipe up. If you touch where it says vertical scroll 
bar, the three finger swipe does nothing. 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On Apr 29, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Tom Cramer mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Regarding my previous message, I should have also said that what I
have tried to do is to flick up or down or left or right with three
fingers, so as to try to move to a different page. It doesn't seem to
work with trying to expand these lisits. I am beginning to think there
might not be any other way though to get past those scrolling bars.
Thank you for your help.

On 4/29/23, Tom Cramer mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

I am using a TV app that has an extensive catalog of TV shows or

specific channels. I brows through it, and I know there is more

listed, but it finishes or stops scrolling. From there, I get

something that says "Vertical scroll bar", and I get a percentage

number, which is generally at 90 or 100. I flick up or down with one

finger, and it just changes the number but doesn't do much else. If I

flick with one finger to the right, past the vertical scroll bar, it

moves on to something else. Like I said, I know there is more to this

extensive list than what I'm getting.

This same thing happens with other lists or things that are more

extensive than what I'm getting. I've seen it on other apps too when I

am just scrolling or browsing.

How can I expand or get more? Is there a voice over command for this?

Tom

 


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RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

[davycuppens]

I have even encountered a problem with an app called livestream2, this is an 
app for dab+ and wifi internet radios. With undok or this app, you can search 
fort he device, pair i tand manage it from your phone or ipad.

When I search for DAB+ stations, voiceover tells me only 15 stations were found 
however more dan 190 are on the display.

Then I have to put off voiceover, do a three finger sweep above, reload 
Voiceover and I can search through all the found items.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: zaterdag 29 april 2023 23:28
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

 

No, but if you touch the vertical scrollbar on the right of the screen you can 
simply flick up or down with one finger.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2023 2:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

 

When I have encountered those lists, I found I have to touch ay item in the 
list on the left side of the screen to make sure VO is focused in the list; 
then do the three finger swipe up. If you touch where it says vertical scroll 
bar, the three finger swipe does nothing. 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On Apr 29, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Tom Cramer mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Regarding my previous message, I should have also said that what I
have tried to do is to flick up or down or left or right with three
fingers, so as to try to move to a different page. It doesn't seem to
work with trying to expand these lisits. I am beginning to think there
might not be any other way though to get past those scrolling bars.
Thank you for your help.

On 4/29/23, Tom Cramer mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

I am using a TV app that has an extensive catalog of TV shows or

specific channels. I brows through it, and I know there is more

listed, but it finishes or stops scrolling. From there, I get

something that says "Vertical scroll bar", and I get a percentage

number, which is generally at 90 or 100. I flick up or down with one

finger, and it just changes the number but doesn't do much else. If I

flick with one finger to the right, past the vertical scroll bar, it

moves on to something else. Like I said, I know there is more to this

extensive list than what I'm getting.

This same thing happens with other lists or things that are more

extensive than what I'm getting. I've seen it on other apps too when I

am just scrolling or browsing.

How can I expand or get more? Is there a voice over command for this?

Tom

 


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RE: plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug

[davycuppens]

Dear 

Do you really think I will mention updates without updating my apps in advanced 
I have been in highschool until my 21 years old! It is eventually a bug!
Davy 

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Please update your app before saying it isn't solved.

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Subject: plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug

Hi folks 

The facebook devs are reluctant to solve this tramendous bug now fort he 3th 
update. We are on V412 now. And the bug has occured since V409 so for all the 
folks on V408 or lower, do not update the facebook ios app for iphone or ipad. 

So please do report again again and again each day!
Whats the problem: embedded links in newsfeets are nolonger spoken by voiceover.
Regards
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plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

The facebook devs are reluctant to solve this tramendous bug now fort he 3th
update. We are on V412 now. And the bug has occured since V409 so for all
the folks on V408 or lower, do not update the facebook ios app for iphone or
ipad. 

So please do report again again and again each day!
Whats the problem: embedded links in newsfeets are nolonger spoken by
voiceover.
Regards
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follow me - facebook not willing to solve their tramendus voiceover bug for links: PLEASE do report now again and again

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

Follow me and please do not hesitate and report immediately this tramendous
bug to facebook accessibility.
Problem: whereever you encounter a link posted by a news source or newspaper
or group or, Voiceover gets numb and i twill not be read outloud since
version 409.0.
All users that are below this version please DO NOT update your facebook ios
app. 

Please follow this form to be filled out: 

https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/169372943117927

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downdetector

[davycuppens]

Dear all 

I've never taken the time to ask this, but for months now, I've been using
downdetector.

However, I notice that the app never ever gives me notifications anymore,
although all things are set in the right manner.
Any experiences or is this only for enterprise clients?
Davy 

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do not update facebook ios app v409.0 or higher links are nolonger spoken

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

Please do not update the fb app for Version 409.0 or higher; links from
newsfeats or papers are nolonger spoken.
Regards
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RE: iPhone, 15 that is coming out.

[davycuppens]

Why are you asking this?

Do you already know what is under the Christmas tree in december of this year?

Just wait wait and wait till Apple releases the models and makes the 
announcements maybe this year in september.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Jenny Bomareto
Verzonden: woensdag 29 maart 2023 17:45
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Onderwerp: iPhone, 15 that is coming out.

 

Hello all,

 

What are all the features about this phone? Also, will it fit in the persons 
pockets? Hopefully it’s smaller than the size of the bigger ones. Referring to 
the plus phones. I would want it to be smaller than that. Where it would fit in 
a pocket and not fall out.

 

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
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RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[davycuppens]

Yes Lyne that in particular with this app, is true but also on whatsapp but 
overall in the ios system. 
Do please DO complain with Apple. Do it now again again again and again!
Davy 

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dictation feedback bug still not solved

In Facebook, horrible to try to modify 

Lyne

> Le 28 mars 2023 à 21:07, Paul Henrichsen  a écrit :
> 
> Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am able 
> to find and review the edit field.
> Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out.
> Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4.
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Paul Henrichsen
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> pfhj2...@gmail.com
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> Hi folks 
> 
> I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social media 
> groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are nolonger read 
> so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or possibly correct 
> your phrases.
> 
> Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.
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RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[davycuppens]

It cannot be reproduced all the time but it helps as you have been dictating 
several phrases in a row. Suddenly, after you stop dictating, you magic tap and 
here a sound and then normally as it should be, the tekst is read to you, that 
tekst that you have been dictating. In most cases this doesn't work, even VO is 
crashing and you have to close the app, reopen it, search fort he edit field 
and find or correct there your dictated tekst. It is really crab and 
frustrating behaviour and the most tramendous bug ever on ios.
Moreover in some cases stopping the dictation results in the playback of music 
a complaint which I have heard dozens of times in the last 2 or 3 months.
Regards
Davy 
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Onderwerp: RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility 
dictation feedback bug still not solved

Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am able to 
find and review the edit field.
Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out.
Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4.
Thanks.
 

Paul Henrichsen
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Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation 
feedback bug still not solved

Hi folks 

I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social media 
groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are nolonger read so 
that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or possibly correct your 
phrases. 

Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.

Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call 
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please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social
media groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are
nolonger read so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or
possibly correct your phrases. 

Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.

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accessibil...@apple.com 

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solved - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

Hi Jessica 

The problem has been solved for everyone in the world, whether betatester or 
not.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Jessica Dail
Verzonden: zaterdag 4 maart 2023 23:33
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Hi everyone,
I updated my ipad to iPadOS16.4 & that's the device which was experiencing the 
issue with Voiceover & the appStore subscriptions page. 
Now that both devices are running 16.4, I'm able to access it perfectly on 
both. 
So, if you're still having the issue, make sure all devices are running the 
beta of 16.4. 

Thanks,
Jessica 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 4, 2023, at 13:22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Have you double checked that screen recognition is off? I don't know what 
> else to suggest because for me it's 100% good  now. 
> Also what phone do you have? As I said before, people who have th issue where 
> they can't swipe should maybe include this information because then it is 
> possible to see if it only effects certain devices.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kimberly Gardner
> Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2023 5:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> I've done all the thingds you suggest but I am still having the issue where I 
> am unable to swipe through my subscriptions. As someone else described when I 
> attempt to swipe right the focus just bounces back to the first subscription 
> name. The only way I can move from one to the next is to drag my finger down 
> the screen. I will be reporting to apple accessibility. I'm running the 
> latest iOS on an SE 2nd generation.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/3/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> I don't have this issue, I can stop on the first one and even go into 
>> it and back out and then continue and also swipe left again. I have 
>> currently 3 active and 1 inactive subscriptions. Anybody who still 
>> has issues should close all apps and reboot and also say which device 
>> they use so it is possible to see if this is only happening on certain 
>> devices.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of CrazyEyez
>> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:50 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
>> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
>> more a drama for VIPS
>> 
>> This is true. If you stop on a subscription, you can't go further to 
>> the right to see the next one.
>> Really easy fix though.
>> Slide 1 finger from top to bottom and it should work for you that way.
>> Not the most ideal way to do things, but i'd rather have this than 
>> nothing at all.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2023, at 2:30 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>> 
>> Hi no it is not gone as far as the subscription bug now when you 
>> swipe right vo reads the subscriptions but you can’t swipe left since 
>> vo will continu to read the subscription again and again and again so 
>> if you have 3 subscriptions vo will only read the first one in the 
>> list and nothing changes when you choose the picker and choose things 
>> like date I am using a I phone 8. From Mich.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of CrazyEyez
>> Sent: March 2, 2023 2:03 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
>> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
>> more a drama for VIPS
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> The bug appears to have been squished.
>> From my understanding it had something to do with apple servers and 
>> not the IOS itself.
>> 
>> Currently as of this writing, I can open app store, tap my account, 
>> subscriptions and they display correctly.
>> I'm on an iPhone 14 plus running IOS 16.3.1.
>> 
>> Also good luck with your call tonight. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Ellie Hopper 
>> mailto:hopper...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's 
>> support team to talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an 
>> issue before so wish me luck.
>> 
>> Ellie
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail 
>> mailto:jldai...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max 
>> which is running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 
>> 11-inch 3rd generation, this screen is still broken. I’m not on the 
>> beta on my ipad, but am seriously considering changing that.
>> Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?
>> Thanks,
>> Jessica Dail
>> 
>> 
>> From: 

problem solved - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

Hi sieghard 

 

I am not gona complain again this time but for me all things are spoken twice 
now but twice is better than nothing (grin) 

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: vrijdag 3 maart 2023 20:21
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

 

No issues here whatsoever on my iPhone 13 Pro. I can swipe right and left, I 
can go into a subscription and I actually just cancelled an annual subscription 
which only renewed recently but which we probably won't renew next year. All 
was perfect.

Anybody who still has issues should maybe close all apps from the app switcher 
and do a reboot to see if that helps.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca  
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

 

Hi no it is not gone as far as the subscription bug now when you swipe right vo 
reads the subscriptions but you can’t swipe left since vo will continu to read 
the subscription again and again and again so if you have 3 subscriptions vo 
will only read the first one in the list and nothing changes when you choose 
the picker and choose things like date I am using a I phone 8. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
CrazyEyez
Sent: March 2, 2023 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

 

Hello, 

 

The bug appears to have been squished.

>From my understanding it had something to do with apple servers and not the 
>IOS itself.

 

Currently as of this writing, I can open app store, tap my account, 
subscriptions and they display correctly.

I'm on an iPhone 14 plus running IOS 16.3.1.

 

Also good luck with your call tonight. 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Mar 2, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Ellie Hopper mailto:hopper...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi,

 

I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's support team to 
talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an issue before so wish me luck.

 

Ellie

 

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail mailto:jldai...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Hi,

This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max which is 
running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 11-inch 3rd generation, 
this screen is still broken. I’m not on the beta on my ipad, but am seriously 
considering changing that.

Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?

Thanks,

Jessica Dail

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

 

It is fixed for me,  also.

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3


On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).

My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.

This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on iOS 15, 
the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.

When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to iOS 
16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
William James
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

 

It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related to iOS.

 

 

Get Outlook for iOS  


  _  


From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> >
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 

RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

And Vicky moreover, I've tested it out with my ipad pro 2020 and an iphone XR.
Davy 

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Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Vicky Collins
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, 
and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double 
tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen 
recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I 
wanted to do so.
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
> with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
> it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
> gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
> results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
> that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
> last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
> beta testers? Are there beta testers? 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed 
> no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try 
> screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons 
> then and you donot know what subscription you select. 
> Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
> accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being 
> a bug, this is eventually a bug!
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
> in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
> an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this 
> by the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
> difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
> I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
> also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
> get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover 
> correctly reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
> Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, 
> price or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of 
> these options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 1:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
> have probably subscribed.
> Davy
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
> Jonathan Cohn
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 22:37
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
> talking about? Which application and what service?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Dear folks
>> 
>> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
>> 
>> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made 
>> this window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.
>> 
>> Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; 
>> please report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and 
>> again, over and over until they fix this crab!
>> DO REPORT NOW!!!
>> 
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> 
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RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

Thats not 100% right, the apps for which I had subscribed yes I can click them 
all but I donot know which I have been selecting while these buttons are not 
labeled at least for me.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Vicky Collins
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, 
and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double 
tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen 
recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I 
wanted to do so.
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
> with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
> it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
> gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
> results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
> that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
> last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
> beta testers? Are there beta testers? 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed 
> no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try 
> screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons 
> then and you donot know what subscription you select. 
> Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
> accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being 
> a bug, this is eventually a bug!
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
> in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
> an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this 
> by the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
> difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
> I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
> also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
> get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover 
> correctly reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
> Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, 
> price or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of 
> these options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 1:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
> have probably subscribed.
> Davy
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
> Jonathan Cohn
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 22:37
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
> talking about? Which application and what service?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Dear folks
>> 
>> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
>> 
>> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made 
>> this window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.
>> 
>> Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; 
>> please report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and 
>> again, over and over until they fix this crab!
>> DO REPORT 

RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

Again, this terrible bug was not produced by a manual update of one of us all; 
no, this was a under-the-hood update of Apple.

Apple is changing its policies and it is obvious that after some years, you 
won't get any updates from apps or ios systems anymore. Updates and changes 
will be done automatically whether you want it or not.
Sop lease do not blame any of us or betatesters, blame and report to Apple! 
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Arnold Schmidt
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 5:15
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
beta testers? Are there beta testers? 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:

Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed no 
wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try screen 
recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons then and 
you donot know what subscription you select. 
Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being a 
bug, this is eventually a bug!
Davy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this by 
the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover correctly 
reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, price 
or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of these 
options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.

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Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
have probably subscribed.
Davy 

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Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
talking about? Which application and what service?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Dear folks
> 
> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
> 
> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made this 
> window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.
> 
> Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; 
> please report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and 
> again, over and over until they fix this crab!
> DO REPORT NOW!!!
> 
> Regards
> Davy
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RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed no 
wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try screen 
recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons then and 
you donot know what subscription you select. 
Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being a 
bug, this is eventually a bug!
Davy 
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Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this by 
the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover correctly 
reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, price 
or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of these 
options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.

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davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
have probably subscribed.
Davy 

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Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 22:37
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Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
talking about? Which application and what service?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Dear folks
> 
> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
> 
> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made this 
> window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.
> 
> Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; 
> please report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and 
> again, over and over until they fix this crab!
> DO REPORT NOW!!!
> 
> Regards
> Davy
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RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
have probably subscribed.
Davy 

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Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
talking about? Which application and what service?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Dear folks
> 
> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
> 
> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made this 
> window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.
> 
> Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; 
> please report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and 
> again, over and over until they fix this crab!
> DO REPORT NOW!!!
> 
> Regards
> Davy
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PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

Dear folks 

Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 

The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made this
window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.

Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; please
report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and again, over and
over until they fix this crab!
DO REPORT NOW!!!

Regards
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RE: Unable to compose comments in latest Facebook.

[davycuppens]

Sieghard 

Then it seems to be dependend on ios16.4 which is in beta. I cannot reproduce 
the bug at all with ios 16.3.1 and I have tested it profoundly.
But it is very clever to encourage people to report bugs to distributors of 
third party apps very few visually impaired people do that.
Davy Davy 

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Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Unable to compose comments in latest Facebook.

I believe this was introduced with 16.4 public beta unless a later Facebook 
update also means this applies to 16.3.1.
For now I just use Facebook on my computer if I want to comment on somebody's 
post.
I reported this to Facebook, not sure if they have to fix the app or if it is 
strictly because of something in iOS 16.4, but ultimately Facebook probably 
needs to fix it and hopefully many others report it to them.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jessica 
Dail
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unable to compose comments in latest Facebook.

Hi, Malcolm, 
I'm running ios16.4 on my iphone 13 pro max & am also having this issue. 
What version are you running? 

Thanks, 
Jessica 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 26, 2023, at 16:17, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hello Penny,
> 
> Thanks for your reply, unfortunately no matter what I try I cannot get the 
> keyboard to appear at all.
> 
> If I open a post and double tap the Comment Button, VoiceOver says “editing 
> insertion point at start” but there’s no keyboard.
> 
> I’ve deleted the Facebook app and redownloaded it.  I’ve restarted my iPhone 
> but to no avail.
> 
> This problem has only occurred recently.
> 
> Any thoughts welcome, thanks again. 
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 26 Feb 2023, at 20:59, Penny Reeder  wrote:
>> 
>> Now you have to open the message first -- before you comment. Then,
>> the keyboard will appear. Hope this helps,
>> Penny
>> 
 On 2/26/23, alban hoxha  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>>> Malcolm Parfitt 
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 9:17:24 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Unable to compose comments in latest Facebook.
>>> 
>>> I have recently encountered a problem with Facebook.
>>> 
>>> I am using Facebook Version 403.1 on my iPhone 12 Pro Max.
>>> 
>>> If I open a post and try to comment on it, VoiceOver says it is in editing
>>> mode and at the start of the edit field as I would expect.  However, the
>>> keyboard does not appear and therefore I cannot enter text with either the
>>> on screen keyboard or a bluetooth keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone reproduce this behaviour?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
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RE: Unable to compose comments in latest Facebook.

[davycuppens]

Jessica 

You won't be running ios16.4 unless you are a beta tester last version issued 
is ios 16.3.1. 
Davy 

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Onderwerp: Re: Unable to compose comments in latest Facebook.

Hi, Malcolm, 
I'm running ios16.4 on my iphone 13 pro max & am also having this issue. 
What version are you running? 

Thanks, 
Jessica 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 26, 2023, at 16:17, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hello Penny,
> 
> Thanks for your reply, unfortunately no matter what I try I cannot get the 
> keyboard to appear at all.
> 
> If I open a post and double tap the Comment Button, VoiceOver says “editing 
> insertion point at start” but there’s no keyboard.
> 
> I’ve deleted the Facebook app and redownloaded it.  I’ve restarted my iPhone 
> but to no avail.
> 
> This problem has only occurred recently.
> 
> Any thoughts welcome, thanks again. 
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 26 Feb 2023, at 20:59, Penny Reeder  wrote:
>> 
>> Now you have to open the message first -- before you comment. Then,
>> the keyboard will appear. Hope this helps,
>> Penny
>> 
 On 2/26/23, alban hoxha  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>>> Malcolm Parfitt 
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 9:17:24 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Unable to compose comments in latest Facebook.
>>> 
>>> I have recently encountered a problem with Facebook.
>>> 
>>> I am using Facebook Version 403.1 on my iPhone 12 Pro Max.
>>> 
>>> If I open a post and try to comment on it, VoiceOver says it is in editing
>>> mode and at the start of the edit field as I would expect.  However, the
>>> keyboard does not appear and therefore I cannot enter text with either the
>>> on screen keyboard or a bluetooth keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone reproduce this behaviour?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>> 
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RE: Unable to compose comments in latest Facebook.

[davycuppens]

I cannot reproduce this and I am on the same version. FB is working normally 
again here.
Davy 

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Onderwerp: Re: Unable to compose comments in latest Facebook.

Now you have to open the message first -- before you comment. Then, the 
keyboard will appear. Hope this helps, Penny

On 2/26/23, alban hoxha  wrote:
>
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
> Malcolm Parfitt 
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 9:17:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Unable to compose comments in latest Facebook.
>
> I have recently encountered a problem with Facebook.
>
> I am using Facebook Version 403.1 on my iPhone 12 Pro Max.
>
> If I open a post and try to comment on it, VoiceOver says it is in 
> editing mode and at the start of the edit field as I would expect.  
> However, the keyboard does not appear and therefore I cannot enter 
> text with either the on screen keyboard or a bluetooth keyboard.
>
> Can anyone reproduce this behaviour?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Malcolm Parfitt
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RE: bug in ios 16.3.1 with VO crashing and rebooting randomly, there is a workaround

[davycuppens]

For all iphones, mine is an XR.
Davy 

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Onderwerp: RE: bug in ios 16.3.1 with VO crashing and rebooting randomly, there 
is a workaround

For which version of iphone does this apply please? 

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Subject: bug in ios 16.3.1 with VO crashing and rebooting randomly, there is a 
workaround

Dear users 

Please go to accessibility voiceover settings and put off the caption pannel. 
Thse people using this pannel are affected with the bug. 
I did some research about captions a few months ago and it was set to on.
Now for me the bug has gone;
Davy 

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bug in ios 16.3.1 with VO crashing and rebooting randomly, there is a workaround

[davycuppens]

Dear users 

Please go to accessibility voiceover settings and put off the caption
pannel. Thse people using this pannel are affected with the bug. 
I did some research about captions a few months ago and it was set to on.
Now for me the bug has gone;
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RE: Sennheiser Remote control app equalizer is not accessible but maybe

[davycuppens]

Hi Sieghard 

Just double tap or double tap and hold I tried everything but there are no 
actions available the rotor actions cannot be used.
Davy 

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Onderwerp: RE: Sennheiser Remote control app equalizer is not accessible but 
maybe

How exactly are you trying to change it, e.g. what guesture do you use?

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Subject: Sennheiser Remote control app equalizer is not accessible but maybe

Hi folks 

People that donot use this product may stop reading this message.

I have bought today a very good headphone the Momentum 3 of Sennheiser. That 
comes with an app called Sennheiser remote coltrol. There you have an extra 
equalizer for the headphone for base, middle and trebble sounds tob e set in 
your desired sound.

But the bars showing 0 decibel cannot be altered by voiceover.
Maybe someone knows another app or way to do this and if not, I will contact 
Sennheiser about the lack of accessibility.
Regards
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Sennheiser Remote control app equalizer is not accessible but maybe

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

People that donot use this product may stop reading this message.

I have bought today a very good headphone the Momentum 3 of Sennheiser. That
comes with an app called Sennheiser remote coltrol. There you have an extra
equalizer for the headphone for base, middle and trebble sounds tob e set in
your desired sound.

But the bars showing 0 decibel cannot be altered by voiceover.
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RE: new bug or phone related bug in ios16.3 VO constantly randomly crashing

[davycuppens]

Folks what is AVA enhanced or premium?

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Christopher 
Chaltain
Verzonden: dinsdag 31 januari 2023 13:24
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: new bug or phone related bug in ios16.3 VO constantly randomly 
crashing

 

For me, the problem is resolved. I’m not exactly sure what fixed it, but I had 
a lot of apps in my App Switcher, so I closed all of them and restarted my 
phone. I also switched from Ava premium to Ava enhanced and turned scree 
curtain off.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷

Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: new bug or phone related bug in ios16.3 VO constantly randomly 
crashing

 

I have done this not sending them a complaint just a question so that they can 
investigate it.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Namens Dennis Long
Verzonden: maandag 30 januari 2023 22:37
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Onderwerp: RE: new bug or phone related bug in ios16.3 VO constantly randomly 
crashing

 

I have never experienced this.  I would absolutely get in touch with Apple.

 

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Subject: RE: new bug or phone related bug in ios16.3 VO constantly randomly 
crashing

 

Even with only one app open, it occurs very often.

Davy 

 

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Turner
Verzonden: maandag 30 januari 2023 16:54
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Onderwerp: Re: new bug or phone related bug in ios16.3 VO constantly randomly 
crashing

 

I do not use WhatsApp or Facebook and have not experienced this. But since you 
suspect your CPU, how many apps do you have open when this happens?

 

 

Richard, USA.

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com 

 

 

 

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Hi folks 

This bug is not severe I know, and maybe has something to do with my cpu
memory or something else, but after updating, when working and scrolling
with the iphone, maybe 10 20 times a day VO stops speaking, then says,
screen curtain on and will work normally again. This mostly happens in
whatsapp and facebook but it occurs randomly.
Are there people that can confirm this behaviour? I have already restarted
and cold rebooted my phone.
Regards
Davy 

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RE: new bug or phone related bug in ios16.3 VO constantly randomly crashing

[davycuppens]

I have done this not sending them a complaint just a question so that they can 
investigate it.

 

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Onderwerp: RE: new bug or phone related bug in ios16.3 VO constantly randomly 
crashing

 

I have never experienced this.  I would absolutely get in touch with Apple.

 

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davycupp...@gmail.com  
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Subject: RE: new bug or phone related bug in ios16.3 VO constantly randomly 
crashing

 

Even with only one app open, it occurs very often.

Davy 

 

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Turner
Verzonden: maandag 30 januari 2023 16:54
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Onderwerp: Re: new bug or phone related bug in ios16.3 VO constantly randomly 
crashing

 

I do not use WhatsApp or Facebook and have not experienced this. But since you 
suspect your CPU, how many apps do you have open when this happens?

 

 

Richard, USA.

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

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This bug is not severe I know, and maybe has something to do with my cpu
memory or something else, but after updating, when working and scrolling
with the iphone, maybe 10 20 times a day VO stops speaking, then says,
screen curtain on and will work normally again. This mostly happens in
whatsapp and facebook but it occurs randomly.
Are there people that can confirm this behaviour? I have already restarted
and cold rebooted my phone.
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RE: new bug or phone related bug in ios16.3 VO constantly randomly crashing

[davycuppens]

Even with only one app open, it occurs very often.

Davy 

 

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crashing

 

I do not use WhatsApp or Facebook and have not experienced this. But since you 
suspect your CPU, how many apps do you have open when this happens?

 

 

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On Jan 30, 2023, at 6:51 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com 
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This bug is not severe I know, and maybe has something to do with my cpu
memory or something else, but after updating, when working and scrolling
with the iphone, maybe 10 20 times a day VO stops speaking, then says,
screen curtain on and will work normally again. This mostly happens in
whatsapp and facebook but it occurs randomly.
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new bug or phone related bug in ios16.3 VO constantly randomly crashing

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

This bug is not severe I know, and maybe has something to do with my cpu
memory or something else, but after updating, when working and scrolling
with the iphone, maybe 10 20 times a day VO stops speaking, then says,
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ios 16.3 one moderate bug for brail lines in the notification center

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Hi folks 

As Applevis has told and can be confirmed, there is no reason not to update
to ios 16.3, working quite stable. However for legally blind people or even
blind people with hearing aids that fully depend on their brail display, I
would strongly advise not to update at the moment if you frequently use the
notification center.
Whenever you invoke this notification center by gesture or give the
keystroke with a brail display, connection will be immediately lost for most
devices. 
If you encounter this bug, please do all report immediately to
accessibil...@apple.com 
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RE: Twiterific stopped working

[davycuppens]

Sieghard and others 

 

Forgive me in advance i donot know anymore about my sources for a month now, 
but I was told twitter has fired its whole accessibility team in november last 
year. I will not say that twitter will be nolonger accessible but it is obvious 
there have been changes in many of their policies especially for accessibility.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: zondag 15 januari 2023 21:31
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Onderwerp: RE: Twiterific stopped working

 

The latest development in Elon's efforts to run Twitter into the ground, it's 
been all over the tech news, here is one article from Ars Technica:

 

Third-party Twitter clients stopped working, and nobody’s sure why | Ars 
Technica 

 

 

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Subject: Twiterific stopped working

 

Hi,

 

A couple days ago Twiterific started giving me a message saying I need to log 
into Twitter.  I've been unsuccessful in my attempts to figure out how.  Is 
this a problem unique to me or is there something else going on?

 

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Apple Watch os9: moving items in the control center nolonger possible is this a known bug?

[davycuppens]

Dear Watch users 

As the subject says: moving or rearranging items in the control center is
apparently nolonger possible in the latest Watch OS.

Is this ment tob e or a new bug?
Regards
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RE: Photo description

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What language do you speak?
Since IOS15 Apple has broken description for most languages other then the 
popular ones such as Englisch, French, Spanish or German.
Regards
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Hi,

I have added descriptions to my photos in the photos app in iOS16.2 but I still 
only hear date and time when browsing through photos in an album. Is it 
possible to browse by hearing descriptions?



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RE: accidentally labeled something weird and cannot find where

[davycuppens]

Thank you very very much fort his, I will try it out from the moment the 
notification and the field pops up!
Davy 

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Hi Davy,

I recently helped somebody with a very similar issue. It turned out that he had 
accidentally relabeled the picker item that lets you switch between home screen 
pages. If this is the case with you, the best thing to do is to put focus on 
that picker, best way to find it is to either put focus on an item that's at 
the very left of your dock or the last app on your home screen And either flick 
left or right until hear it say page one of however many pages you have. Then, 
invoke the item labeling feature, performing a two finger double tap and hold, 
then if what you are hearing said all the time appears in that edit field, 
flick right till you hear clear text, then double tap to activate, then hit 
save. That should fix this for you. Hope that helps. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2022, at 8:40 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi folks
> 
> Parently I've accidentally labeled a graphic or tekst field while 
> dictating something.
> When a notification in my condition or health app pups up, I hear a 
> strange tekst saying "report something is quiet". I understand you 
> guys cannot solve my problem. I Must have labeled something on my 
> iphone in a tekst or edit field or a button without being aware of this.
> Question: is it possible to bring all labels back tot he default setting?
> A friend of mine had the same issue months ago and even reset all 
> settings did not solve that problem.
> Regards
> Davy
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accidentally labeled something weird and cannot find where

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

Parently I've accidentally labeled a graphic or tekst field while dictating
something. 
When a notification in my condition or health app pups up, I hear a strange
tekst saying "report something is quiet". I understand you guys cannot solve
my problem. I Must have labeled something on my iphone in a tekst or edit
field or a button without being aware of this.
Question: is it possible to bring all labels back tot he default setting?
A friend of mine had the same issue months ago and even reset all settings
did not solve that problem. 
Regards 
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RE: iOS and iPadOS 16.2 released

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Hi Katrina 

 

These are facebook issues not Apple related voiceover issues. You have to 
report them to Facebook not to Apple.

Davy 

 

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Onderwerp: RE: iOS and iPadOS 16.2 released

 

Very pleased to report voiceover is once again reading notifications on the 
lock screen!  Unfortunately, IOS 16.2 didn’t fix the Facebook issue, where 
voiceover no longer identifies types of reactions.  For example, I click where 
voiceover says 12 people reacted to a post.  I then hear (and need to select my 
preference) “show 12 reactions”, “show 6 reactions”, “show 2 reactions” or 
“show 4 reactions”.  Voiceover should identify if the 6 reactions were likes, 
love, care, etc; same with the 2 and 4 reactions…ID what type these reactions 
are.)  I sent messages to Apple and Facebook; didn’t receive a reply to either. 
 I’m using the iPhone 14 Pro with IOS 16.2, and Facebook and all my apps are 
up-to-date. 

 

Katrina

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Lehnis
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2022 4:50 PM
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Subject: Re: iOS and iPadOS 16.2 released

 

Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention. I installed 16.2 and my 
email is back up and running like it should be. I really appreciate you 
alerting us on this. It was becoming very, very annoying.

 

Dave Lehnis.





On Dec 13, 2022, at 10:58 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



The AppleVis report on fixed accessibility bugs and₦ew bugs are detailed at:

https://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-releases-ios-162-ipados-162-bringing-bug-fixes-voiceover-braille-users

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

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RE: Problem With Notifications

[davycuppens]

Hi 

 

You don’t need to post proposals to solve the problem, it is a tramendous 
voiceover bug that needs tob e reported again and again.

Davy 

 

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There could be   several reasons why this is happening. I'll give you a few to 
take a look at. The first one has to do with voiceover's  always speak 
notifications option. There is currently a bug in that option. You need to 
toggle it off, then hit the back button, then go back into verbosity again 
toggle it back on then hit the back button. That should fix your problem. Also 
make sure to clear out your notification center go down to clear all 
notifications and make sure it's completely cleared out because sometimes this 
can affect your notification center from reading you notifications as well.

Jerry Mader

Listen to my podcast the Mader cast. Please remember that it is adults only so 
listener discretion is strongly advised. 

Just search for it on your podcast player of choice or go to:
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text messages. Apple Accessibility tried to fix it and we couldn’t so if anyone 
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RE: Problem With Notifications

[davycuppens]

This is a bug and please do all report it again and again and again to Apple if 
the problem persists in ios16.2.

Davy 

 

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Onderwerp: Problem With Notifications

 

I hope someone can help.  With the last several updates my notifications don’t 
read when they come in and my message doesn’t give my message tone but dings 
and Siri reads the message.  I do not like this as I love my duck quack for my 
text messages. Apple Accessibility tried to fix it and we couldn’t so if anyone 
has a fix I sure would like to know what to do.  Each update makes the phone a 
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RE: stopping dictation

[davycuppens]

I can confirm this tramendous bug.

 

Please do all write to Apple Accessibility to report over and over and over 
again! Because even in the running beta cycle no VO bugs have been addressed.

So write and write again!

Davy 

 

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Verzonden: dinsdag 29 november 2022 21:43
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Onderwerp: stopping dictation

 

Hi,

I’ve noticed something very  recently and think it came with an IOS 16 upgrade. 
 Wondering if it’s just me.  I often dictate using the dictate button to the 
left on the keyboard.  I realize that I can one finger double tap to stop 
dictation, assuming that focus hasn’t moved from that button, but it seems to 
me that I’ve been using a two-finger double tap for years.  As of late, doing 
this gesture out of muscle memory often starts the music player on my phone. 
Even if I do another two finger double tap to stop the  music, I’m still in 
dictation mode.  I found it easiest to  open the ap switcher and go back to the 
app, which disrupted dictation  for me.  So, does anyone else use a two-finger 
double tap to stop dictation and notice this as a change?  Either that, or my 
latest birthday has send my brain into some weird memory void.For now, I’m 
trying to retrain myself to the one finger double tap.

 

Robin on an  SE 2020 running IOS 16.1.1.

 

 

 

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RE: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

[davycuppens]

I hope that the bug not showing notifications on the lock screen will be fixed 
on ios16.2. 

Davy 

 

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Verzonden: zondag 20 november 2022 21:33
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

 

Just saying it has not yet been fixed in 16.2 public beta 3, but I assume there 
will still be at least 2 or most likely 3 more public beta releases before 16.2 
is released which is expected the week of December 12 so still lots of chances 
for them to get it fixed. Anyways, for me it still works I would say 8 out of 
10 times so I left the preview on because it is typically very apparent if the 
wrong content is read in which case I can simply open the email to read it, but 
in most cases it's still useful. I still use dictation all the time although it 
makes lots of mistakes, but when everything is said and one I still find it 
easier and quicker to use it even though I may have to correct some stuff.

 

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That is sad news indeed.

I’ve turned off previewing lines because of this bug.

 

 

 

 

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Hi Richard, as of iOS 16.2 Beta 3 this reading of incorrect text in email 
preview is still present.

 

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The first item is a known issue. Apple is aware of this and hopes to have it 
resolved in the next release. 

Like Alan, I don't do the other things you mention; but I've seen the heading 
issue in other places at times.

If you have not, report these to accessibil...@apple.com 
 

 

 

 

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On Nov 18, 2022, at 9:52 PM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Joe,

I and others are definitely replicating your first item regarding the native 
Mail app's incorrect Voiceover preview of a message with focus. I'm not really 
doing the other items you mentioned so cannot comment on them.

I've been meaning to report the Mail preview bug to Apple Accessibility so 
thanks for the reminder.

Alan Lemly

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Subject: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

Hi, are you seeing these bugs on your end?

1. As you’re swiping through emails on the native Mail app, Voiceover will read 
the correct sender and subject line, but the message preview is completely 
different from the actual email. The problem is inconsistent but presents 
itself across multiple messages in the chosen inbox. The problem exists across 
all email accounts being used. In fact, the inaccurate message summaries 
sometimes pull from completely different email accounts.

2. If you tap Add contact when sending an email or text message, Voiceover 
refuses to navigate by heading. True, you can use the search function as 
opposed to navigating the length of your contacts, but navigating by headers is 
useful when forgetting the exact spelling of an uncommon contact's name. 
Voiceover simply continues to say "no headings."

3. Voiceover is jumping to the bottom of the screen when attempting to navigate 
longer emails. You have to swipe down with three fingers to scroll further down 
in the message and then back track to try to read the portions of the email 
voiceover skipped.

I keep hoping the issues will be fixed with subsequent iOS 16 updates, but 
alas, no luck so far. Before reporting to Apple, is anyone else experiencing 
these glitches?

Thank you in advance for any feedback.

Best,

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RE: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

[davycuppens]

Hi sieghard 

 

Then please do report again and again to accessibility even if you had already 
done so. Why? Because it is needed while this is a new public beta in which 
problems were not addressed. Maybe it is better to report to accessibility 
because our problems are more specific tot hem as tot he beta program but I 
admit maybe I am wrong saying this?

Davy 

 

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Verzonden: zaterdag 19 november 2022 18:38
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

 

Hi Richard, as of iOS 16.2 Beta 3 this reading of incorrect text in email 
preview is still present.

 

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Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

 

The first item is a known issue. Apple is aware of this and hopes to have it 
resolved in the next release. 

Like Alan, I don't do the other things you mention; but I've seen the heading 
issue in other places at times.

If you have not, report these to accessibil...@apple.com 
 

 

 

 

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On Nov 18, 2022, at 9:52 PM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Joe,

I and others are definitely replicating your first item regarding the native 
Mail app's incorrect Voiceover preview of a message with focus. I'm not really 
doing the other items you mentioned so cannot comment on them.

I've been meaning to report the Mail preview bug to Apple Accessibility so 
thanks for the reminder.

Alan Lemly

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Orozco
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 11:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Can You Replicate These Bugs in iOS 16?

Hi, are you seeing these bugs on your end?

1. As you’re swiping through emails on the native Mail app, Voiceover will read 
the correct sender and subject line, but the message preview is completely 
different from the actual email. The problem is inconsistent but presents 
itself across multiple messages in the chosen inbox. The problem exists across 
all email accounts being used. In fact, the inaccurate message summaries 
sometimes pull from completely different email accounts.

2. If you tap Add contact when sending an email or text message, Voiceover 
refuses to navigate by heading. True, you can use the search function as 
opposed to navigating the length of your contacts, but navigating by headers is 
useful when forgetting the exact spelling of an uncommon contact's name. 
Voiceover simply continues to say "no headings."

3. Voiceover is jumping to the bottom of the screen when attempting to navigate 
longer emails. You have to swipe down with three fingers to scroll further down 
in the message and then back track to try to read the portions of the email 
voiceover skipped.

I keep hoping the issues will be fixed with subsequent iOS 16 updates, but 
alas, no luck so far. Before reporting to Apple, is anyone else experiencing 
these glitches?

Thank you in advance for any feedback.

Best,

Joe


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what about notification and dictation bugs in the public beta 3 of ios16?

[davycuppens]

Dear all 

I knew that in Beta2 no VO bugs were resolved. How is BEta 3 running about
those dictation and notification bugs not showing up on the lock screen?

This is about public betas and I write this because if the problems have not
been addressed, we should all report again and again and again those bugs
after each new public beta version of ios16.2.
Regards
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RE: 16.1.1

[davycuppens]

Applevis, who's that? They don't even mention tramendous bugs in their 
follow-up of beta versions.
They have never spoken about dictation or notification bugs that were noticed 
and reacted on this list and many other facebook groups. Who are they?
Davy 

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According to Applevis.com the release notes did not specify anything to do with 
VoiceOver.
They want to hear from folks if they find any changes, good or bad, for 
VoiceOver users.
https://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-releases-ios-1611-ipados-1611-macos-ventura-1301-bug-fixes




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Does anyone know if this updates fixes notifications?


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RE: Reading notifications on the lock screen

[davycuppens]

If you want it to be fixed, report report report over and over again!

Davy 

 

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Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Reading notifications on the lock screen

 

Hi Katrina,

 

That isn’t a very good solution. That’s an excuse for them either not fixing 
the problem or just ignoring those who happen to have it. 

 

I find that there are just too many options and settings and it can get 
confusing! Oh well, that’s just me! 

 

I’m sorry you’re also having this issue but glad that I’m not the only one. I 
just wish they would fix this issue. 

 

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Katrina Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2022 6:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Reading notifications on the lock screen

 

Hi Debbie,

 

Voiceover wasn’t reading notifications on the lock screen when I was using an 
iPhone 8 with versions from IOS 16 forward.  Although I am alerted to a new 
notification when the phone is locked, voiceover also doesn’t read 
notifications on my new iPhone 14 Pro.  Some on this list have reported they 
aren’t having this problem.  Apparently we are part of an exclusive group.   

 

I called Apple Accessibility yesterday, and the woman I spoke with said she 
wasn’t familiar with this issue, which is weird since this has been a known 
problem since IOS 16.1 came out.  Granted, some are reporting this is not a 
problem for them, but it certainly is for many of us.  The Apple Accessibility 
representative’s only comment was to use “Hey Siri”.  I respect the proposed 
alternative, but so hope that one day, voiceover will once again read 
notifications on the lock screen.

 

I submitted a case with Apple Accessibility, and encourage you to do so as 
well.  Send an E-mail to:

accessibil...@apple.com  

 

Katrina  

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Reading notifications on the lock screen

 

Hello,

 

I just upgraded to IOS 16.1 on my iPhone 8. Now when I receive a notification, 
it just announces 1 new notification but doesn’t read the notification aloud. I 
have to flick to it and read it that way. How can I get it to read the 
notification on the locked screen when it comes in?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie unless

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RE: Reading notifications on the lock screen

[davycuppens]

Debbie it doesn’t matter at all how you set your notification view settings, it 
is a know bug.

Davy 

 

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Verzonden: woensdag 9 november 2022 16:26
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Reading notifications on the lock screen

 

HI Christopher,

 

Does it matter in terms of notifications being read aloud whether they appear 
as count, stack or a list?   

 

My notification preview is set to always; I checked the other options and it’s 
either show on unlocked screen or never. 

They read alright on the unlocked screen but not on the locked screen.

 

 

Debbie

 

 

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Christopher Chaltain
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Reading notifications on the lock screen

 

And it you’re talking about the lock screen, go into Settings -> Notifications 
and check whether you want your notifications to be displayed in a stack or a 
list and the show preview setting to determine if you want notification 
previews displayed on the lock screen or not. 

 

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Chris Chaffin
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2022 6:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Reading notifications on the lock screen

 

 

If you are referring to Voiceover automatically reading notifications when they 
come in, I am assuming that you have already checked this, but just in case, go 
to, Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, verbosity, and make sure the setting, 
always speak notifications is turned on.

 

Chris

 

 

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Hello,

 

I just upgraded to IOS 16.1 on my iPhone 8. Now when I receive a notification, 
it just announces 1 new notification but doesn’t read the notification aloud. I 
have to flick to it and read it that way. How can I get it to read the 
notification on the locked screen when it comes in?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie unless

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RE: Reading notifications on the lock screen

[davycuppens]

That is because it is a tramendous bug! I know other folks won’t matter about 
this or that bug but i fit matters, please please report over and over again!

Davy 

Davy 

 

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Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Thanks for checking, but yes I confirmed that setting was on. 

 

Katrina

 

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Chris Chaffin
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2022 7:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Reading notifications on the lock screen

 

 

If you are referring to Voiceover automatically reading notifications when they 
come in, I am assuming that you have already checked this, but just in case, go 
to, Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, verbosity, and make sure the setting, 
always speak notifications is turned on.

 

Chris

 





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Hello,

 

I just upgraded to IOS 16.1 on my iPhone 8. Now when I receive a notification, 
it just announces 1 new notification but doesn’t read the notification aloud. I 
have to flick to it and read it that way. How can I get it to read the 
notification on the locked screen when it comes in?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie unless

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RE: Reading notifications on the lock screen

[davycuppens]

This setting makes no sense folks, it is a bug!

Davy 

 

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Chaltain
Verzonden: woensdag 9 november 2022 15:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Reading notifications on the lock screen

 

And it you’re talking about the lock screen, go into Settings -> Notifications 
and check whether you want your notifications to be displayed in a stack or a 
list and the show preview setting to determine if you want notification 
previews displayed on the lock screen or not. 

 

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

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Chris Chaffin
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2022 6:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Reading notifications on the lock screen

 

 

If you are referring to Voiceover automatically reading notifications when they 
come in, I am assuming that you have already checked this, but just in case, go 
to, Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, verbosity, and make sure the setting, 
always speak notifications is turned on.

 

Chris

 

 

On Nov 8, 2022, at 7:46 PM, Debbie Downey mailto:debdow...@tampabay.rr.com> > wrote:



Hello,

 

I just upgraded to IOS 16.1 on my iPhone 8. Now when I receive a notification, 
it just announces 1 new notification but doesn’t read the notification aloud. I 
have to flick to it and read it that way. How can I get it to read the 
notification on the locked screen when it comes in?

 

Thank you!

 

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PLEASE REPORT BUGS! RE: Reading notifications on the lock screen

[davycuppens]

Katrina 

 

This is not weird but this is because 90% of all blinds are quiete laid-back 
and just complaining amongst each other instead of reporting to accessibility!

PEOPLE DO REPORT!

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Katrina Anderson
Verzonden: woensdag 9 november 2022 12:27
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Reading notifications on the lock screen

 

Hi Debbie,

 

Voiceover wasn’t reading notifications on the lock screen when I was using an 
iPhone 8 with versions from IOS 16 forward.  Although I am alerted to a new 
notification when the phone is locked, voiceover also doesn’t read 
notifications on my new iPhone 14 Pro.  Some on this list have reported they 
aren’t having this problem.  Apparently we are part of an exclusive group.   

 

I called Apple Accessibility yesterday, and the woman I spoke with said she 
wasn’t familiar with this issue, which is weird since this has been a known 
problem since IOS 16.1 came out.  Granted, some are reporting this is not a 
problem for them, but it certainly is for many of us.  The Apple Accessibility 
representative’s only comment was to use “Hey Siri”.  I respect the proposed 
alternative, but so hope that one day, voiceover will once again read 
notifications on the lock screen.

 

I submitted a case with Apple Accessibility, and encourage you to do so as 
well.  Send an E-mail to:

accessibil...@apple.com  

 

Katrina  

 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
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Hello,

 

I just upgraded to IOS 16.1 on my iPhone 8. Now when I receive a notification, 
it just announces 1 new notification but doesn’t read the notification aloud. I 
have to flick to it and read it that way. How can I get it to read the 
notification on the locked screen when it comes in?

 

Thank you!

 

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RE: Reading notifications on the lock screen

[davycuppens]

Please Debbie 

 

Why did you update to ios16.1 the worst ios version in years after so many 
warnings from myself and other folks here.

 

If you want the bug to be resolved, do report it to Apple.

Moreover, last week Apple has stopped signing ios15 so if you are on ios16 you 
have to live wit hit.

Davy

 

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Verzonden: woensdag 9 november 2022 1:47
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Reading notifications on the lock screen

 

Hello,

 

I just upgraded to IOS 16.1 on my iPhone 8. Now when I receive a notification, 
it just announces 1 new notification but doesn’t read the notification aloud. I 
have to flick to it and read it that way. How can I get it to read the 
notification on the locked screen when it comes in?

 

Thank you!

 

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RE: Reading notifications on the lock screen

[davycuppens]

Hi Chris 


it is nice that you try to help but really really people it is a bug sop lease 
do report to accessibil...@apple.com   

 

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Verzonden: woensdag 9 november 2022 13:27
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Onderwerp: Re: Reading notifications on the lock screen

 

 

If you are referring to Voiceover automatically reading notifications when they 
come in, I am assuming that you have already checked this, but just in case, go 
to, Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, verbosity, and make sure the setting, 
always speak notifications is turned on.

 

Chris

 





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Hello,

 

I just upgraded to IOS 16.1 on my iPhone 8. Now when I receive a notification, 
it just announces 1 new notification but doesn’t read the notification aloud. I 
have to flick to it and read it that way. How can I get it to read the 
notification on the locked screen when it comes in?

 

Thank you!

 

Debbie unless

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RE: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.

[davycuppens]

Hi Sieghard 

Yeah right I understand your statements. But as ios16 00 01 02 and 03 were 
fairly stable releases one did not expect ios16.1 coming up with new and 
earlier unknonw major bugs.
Davy 

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Verzonden: dinsdag 1 november 2022 18:20
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.

I have heard just about every major iOS update called the buggiest update ever; 
the fact is they all have bugs and said bugs typically get less as time goes by.

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davycupp...@gmail.com
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.

Hi Kimber 

Would you please be so kind to report to accessibility, really people if noone 
or just a few of us do report, bugs will not be taken into their attention, sop 
lease report the bugs for ios16.1 the most buggy and unstable update that I 
have ever seen.
Davy 

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Onderwerp: Re: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.

I too have seen the problem where the dictated text is written twice. For me it 
happens most often in the message app.


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be.“ Viet Thanh Nguyen

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 7:58 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I can reproduce this.
> 
> Sometimes there is no tekst feedback and even worse, the tekst is typed 2 
> times we know this problem in facebook for years now but no wit happens 
> randomly.
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens CJ & AA MAY
> Verzonden: dinsdag 1 november 2022 8:31
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.
> 
> I have noticed that recently using the dictation mode is not as accurate as 
> it used to be. It is inevitable that it will sometimes get it wrong, but for 
> the past few weeks it has certainly been less accurate than in the past.
> Alison
> (U.K.)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: 31 October 2022 23:23
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.
> 
> Saying that you are having trouble, doesn't give us anything to go by.
> What kind of trouble?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
> Judd
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have noticed that sometimes when I dictate something, I am having trouble.  
> I was wondering if anyone can give me tips on how to make my dictation a lot 
> better?
> Also, do I need to have any of the smart dictation settings set in the 
> keyboard settings?
> Thanks for any help.
> Chris
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RE: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.

[davycuppens]

Hi Kimber 

Would you please be so kind to report to accessibility, really people if noone 
or just a few of us do report, bugs will not be taken into their attention, sop 
lease report the bugs for ios16.1 the most buggy and unstable update that I 
have ever seen.
Davy 

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Onderwerp: Re: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.

I too have seen the problem where the dictated text is written twice. For me it 
happens most often in the message app.


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be.“ Viet Thanh Nguyen

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 7:58 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I can reproduce this.
> 
> Sometimes there is no tekst feedback and even worse, the tekst is typed 2 
> times we know this problem in facebook for years now but no wit happens 
> randomly.
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens CJ & AA MAY
> Verzonden: dinsdag 1 november 2022 8:31
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.
> 
> I have noticed that recently using the dictation mode is not as accurate as 
> it used to be. It is inevitable that it will sometimes get it wrong, but for 
> the past few weeks it has certainly been less accurate than in the past.
> Alison
> (U.K.)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: 31 October 2022 23:23
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.
> 
> Saying that you are having trouble, doesn't give us anything to go by.
> What kind of trouble?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
> Judd
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 2:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have noticed that sometimes when I dictate something, I am having trouble.  
> I was wondering if anyone can give me tips on how to make my dictation a lot 
> better?
> Also, do I need to have any of the smart dictation settings set in the 
> keyboard settings?
> Thanks for any help.
> Chris
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RE: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.

[davycuppens]

I can reproduce this.

Sometimes there is no tekst feedback and even worse, the tekst is typed 2 times 
we know this problem in facebook for years now but no wit happens randomly.
Davy 

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Verzonden: dinsdag 1 november 2022 8:31
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.

I have noticed that recently using the dictation mode is not as accurate as it 
used to be. It is inevitable that it will sometimes get it wrong, but for the 
past few weeks it has certainly been less accurate than in the past.
Alison
(U.K.)

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: 31 October 2022 23:23
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.

Saying that you are having trouble, doesn't give us anything to go by.
What kind of trouble?




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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Judd
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 2:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Having dictation problems with IOS 16.1.

Hi all,

I have noticed that sometimes when I dictate something, I am having trouble.  I 
was wondering if anyone can give me tips on how to make my dictation a lot 
better?
Also, do I need to have any of the smart dictation settings set in the keyboard 
settings?
Thanks for any help.
Chris

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RE: dictation bug in ios 16.1

[davycuppens]

Hi Sieghard 

 

I can mostly confirm, please try to do a one finger double tap on the 
dicatation button itselves and see what you get?

Davy 

 

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Verzonden: woensdag 26 oktober 2022 10:53
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Onderwerp: RE: dictation bug in ios 16.1

 

I don't have this issue on my iPhone 11. I do get audio playback at times when 
I use a 2-finger double tap to stop dictation, otherwise it works.

 

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Hi yes I have and it is still there. From Mich.

 

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Have you rebooted your phone after the update?

 

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Hi,

I have had that issue since yesterday when I installed 16.1. It also makes 
intermittent beeps or some sort of tone sometimes if the dictation is long 
enough. 

I am finding Dictation to be problematic in a variety of apps including mail, 
reminders, and messages.

Merv

 

 

On Oct 25, 2022, at 7:19 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca   
wrote:

 

Hi all I just found a dictation bug in ios 16.1 has any one elts found that 
when they try to dictate a message that they loose all function  with vo? When 
I am dictateing a message and once I am dun and dubble tap it again that juring 
the dictation process vo go’s scilent and doesn’t come back until you get out 
of the dictation moad. I am wondering if this is a bug. From Mich.

 

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RE: dictation bug in ios 16.1

[davycuppens]

I can confirm this bug, but indeed it helps sometimes not always as you do the 
dictation not to trigger the dictation button but just do a 2 finger tap on the 
screen to start and stop but please do all report to accessibility and do it 
NOOOW!

Davy 

 

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Verzonden: woensdag 26 oktober 2022 7:02
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: dictation bug in ios 16.1

 

Have you rebooted your phone after the update?

 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 4:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: dictation bug in ios 16.1

 

Hi,

I have had that issue since yesterday when I installed 16.1. It also makes 
intermittent beeps or some sort of tone sometimes if the dictation is long 
enough. 

I am finding Dictation to be problematic in a variety of apps including mail, 
reminders, and messages.

Merv

 

 

On Oct 25, 2022, at 7:19 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca   
wrote:

 

Hi all I just found a dictation bug in ios 16.1 has any one elts found that 
when they try to dictate a message that they loose all function  with vo? When 
I am dictateing a message and once I am dun and dubble tap it again that juring 
the dictation process vo go’s scilent and doesn’t come back until you get out 
of the dictation moad. I am wondering if this is a bug. From Mich.

 

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RE: found workaround RE: saved or favorite places nolonger accessible within google maps app

[davycuppens]

This really makes sense! Great tip Malcolm 

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Malcolm Parfitt
Verzonden: dinsdag 25 oktober 2022 19:26
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: found workaround RE: saved or favorite places nolonger 
accessible within google maps app

 

Hello,

 

I have found the following to work.

 

Do a four finger tap on the screen wich should land you on the Updates tab.

 

You can then swipe left through the available tabs.

 

Hope this helps.

Malcolm Parfitt





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Hi richard 

 

Thanx for your help, I found a solution to toggle VO off hit the very middle 
bottom of the screen and toggle VO bakc again, then you can use the app in a 
normal way and indeed the tab saved places is there again but as you swipe left 
tot he tab named explore, you then have these annoying postings again and you 
can nolonger reach the apps at the bottom of the screen.

But because of your taughts, I gave the toggle VO on/off a try and this helpe 
dus out.

Davy 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Namens Richard 
Turner
Verzonden: dinsdag 25 oktober 2022 16:52
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Onderwerp: RE: saved or favorite places nolonger accessible within google maps 
app

 

BTW, there was also a couple of Google Maps updates in the last week or so, and 
the Google Maps update may have made those posts larger thus making it harder 
to get to the tabs below them.  It doesn’t have to be Apple’s fault.

 

 

 

 

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davycupp...@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 6:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: saved or favorite places nolonger accessible within google maps app

 

Hi Richard 

 

I can it have reproduced by other Belgian inhabitants using voiceover, the 
things you describe are wrong at least here for us.

 

There is nolonger such a tab on the bottom of the screen, the only thing there 
is are posts from other users about places you have visited or nearby places. 
But there nolonger is such a tab. The lower part of the screen is filled up 
with such stupid posts we don’t want to see or interact wit hand tabs at the 
bottom of the screen are nolonger visible.

Davy 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Namens Richard 
Turner
Verzonden: dinsdag 25 oktober 2022 14:43
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Onderwerp: Re: saved or favorite places nolonger accessible within google maps 
app

 

For a few versions now, you can access your saved places on the saved tab at 
the bottom of the screen. 

Once you select that tab, all your favorites are right there. Then if you flick 
up or down on any favorite you will find more options.

I double checked just now running 16.1 using VoiceOver. 

 

 

 

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“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On Oct 25, 2022, at 3:00 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Hi folks 

For those hesitating to update apps and frequently using google maps, please
do not update then because there are nolonger tabs beneath in the screen and
voiceover users seem to have nolonger access to saved or favorite places in
the app.
Davy 


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found workaround RE: saved or favorite places nolonger accessible within google maps app

[davycuppens]

Hi richard 

 

Thanx for your help, I found a solution to toggle VO off hit the very middle 
bottom of the screen and toggle VO bakc again, then you can use the app in a 
normal way and indeed the tab saved places is there again but as you swipe left 
tot he tab named explore, you then have these annoying postings again and you 
can nolonger reach the apps at the bottom of the screen.

But because of your taughts, I gave the toggle VO on/off a try and this helpe 
dus out.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: dinsdag 25 oktober 2022 16:52
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: saved or favorite places nolonger accessible within google maps 
app

 

BTW, there was also a couple of Google Maps updates in the last week or so, and 
the Google Maps update may have made those posts larger thus making it harder 
to get to the tabs below them.  It doesn’t have to be Apple’s fault.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

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davycupp...@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 6:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: saved or favorite places nolonger accessible within google maps app

 

Hi Richard 

 

I can it have reproduced by other Belgian inhabitants using voiceover, the 
things you describe are wrong at least here for us.

 

There is nolonger such a tab on the bottom of the screen, the only thing there 
is are posts from other users about places you have visited or nearby places. 
But there nolonger is such a tab. The lower part of the screen is filled up 
with such stupid posts we don’t want to see or interact wit hand tabs at the 
bottom of the screen are nolonger visible.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Namens Richard 
Turner
Verzonden: dinsdag 25 oktober 2022 14:43
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Onderwerp: Re: saved or favorite places nolonger accessible within google maps 
app

 

For a few versions now, you can access your saved places on the saved tab at 
the bottom of the screen. 

Once you select that tab, all your favorites are right there. Then if you flick 
up or down on any favorite you will find more options.

I double checked just now running 16.1 using VoiceOver. 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On Oct 25, 2022, at 3:00 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Hi folks 

For those hesitating to update apps and frequently using google maps, please
do not update then because there are nolonger tabs beneath in the screen and
voiceover users seem to have nolonger access to saved or favorite places in
the app.
Davy 


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RE: saved or favorite places nolonger accessible within google maps app

[davycuppens]

Hi Richard 

 

I can it have reproduced by other Belgian inhabitants using voiceover, the 
things you describe are wrong at least here for us.

 

There is nolonger such a tab on the bottom of the screen, the only thing there 
is are posts from other users about places you have visited or nearby places. 
But there nolonger is such a tab. The lower part of the screen is filled up 
with such stupid posts we don’t want to see or interact wit hand tabs at the 
bottom of the screen are nolonger visible.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
Verzonden: dinsdag 25 oktober 2022 14:43
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: saved or favorite places nolonger accessible within google maps 
app

 

For a few versions now, you can access your saved places on the saved tab at 
the bottom of the screen. 

Once you select that tab, all your favorites are right there. Then if you flick 
up or down on any favorite you will find more options.

I double checked just now running 16.1 using VoiceOver. 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





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Hi folks 

For those hesitating to update apps and frequently using google maps, please
do not update then because there are nolonger tabs beneath in the screen and
voiceover users seem to have nolonger access to saved or favorite places in
the app.
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