RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

[leobado1982]

I had been using Copilot free version on my iPhone for a few months  when I 
bought the subscription, and never got charged. In fact, I’m not sure if you 
can actually subscribe directly in the app. So far I haven’t seen that option 
yet. When I finally subscribed for Copilot pro, I got all my other versions 
(web, iPhone app)  automatically switching to Copilot Pro. I believe that you 
can also use Copilot in the iPhone without logging in. 

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 6:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

 

Leo, are you sure about the free part of that? I have Microsoft 365 and would 
be concerned that if I try to use copilot on my phone, since I'm logged into my 
m365 account, I'll get charged the crazy $20 per month. 

I'm quite fine with Perplexity for the few things I use it for. 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 









On Apr 18, 2024, at 4:27 AM, leobado1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



Use Microsoft Copilot, in the iPhone version you can use GPT 4  (the most 
powerful GPT from OpenAI) for free.

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 8:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

 

No, I did not sign up for the subscription.

You get a 3 day trial followed by two ways to pay.

Weekly for I think it was $7.00, and I think $57.00 per year.

 

I could have loads of fun with this but I want to wait until the price is lower.

 

James B 

James B 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

 

I have not been charged yet. I did not sign up or subscribe. Did you sign up 
for something? If it is a subscription, check under your iPhone settings, 
double tap on your name, and then subscriptions to check. 

I have not used it daily. 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 

 

On Apr 17, 2024, at 6:52 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



That’s pretty cool!

 

Vivian and Sallie from Walla Walla, USA

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
wiljame...@gmail.com  
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

 

There is a benefit for using ChatGPT.  Here is a dialog with me and it about 
the Augusta National Golf Club.  Keep in mind I have never seen the Augusta 
National, let alone set foot on it, even though I am from there.

 

You

I am visually impaired. I have never been to the Augusta national, so describe 
the layout of the chorus and the holes to me!

 

ChatGPT

The Augusta National Golf Club, home of the Masters Tournament, is renowned for 
its stunning layout. The course features a hilly terrain with lush green 
fairways and beautiful azalea-lined pathways.

The front nine holes wind through the Georgia pines, starting with the 
relatively short par-4 first hole and leading to the iconic par-3 12th hole, 
known as "Golden Bell," which requires a precise tee shot over Rae's Creek to a 
narrow green.

The back nine is known for its challenging closing stretch, including the 
famous par-5 13th hole, named "Azalea," which offers players a risk-reward 
opportunity for eagle or birdie. The par-4 18th hole, "Holly," demands accuracy 
off the tee to avoid the fairway bunkers and sets up a dramatic approach shot 
to the elevated green.

Overall, Augusta National's layout is characterized by its strategic bunkering, 
undulating greens, and picturesque water hazards, providing a challenging yet 
picturesque test for the world's best golfers.

 

You

Tell me about Amen Corner from Augusta National.

 

ChatGPT

Amen Corner is one of the 

RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

[leobado1982]

Use Microsoft Copilot, in the iPhone version you can use GPT 4  (the most 
powerful GPT from OpenAI) for free.

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 8:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

 

No, I did not sign up for the subscription.

You get a 3 day trial followed by two ways to pay.

Weekly for I think it was $7.00, and I think $57.00 per year.

 

I could have loads of fun with this but I want to wait until the price is lower.

 

James B 

James B 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

 

I have not been charged yet. I did not sign up or subscribe. Did you sign up 
for something? If it is a subscription, check under your iPhone settings, 
double tap on your name, and then subscriptions to check. 

I have not used it daily. 

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 

 

On Apr 17, 2024, at 6:52 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



That’s pretty cool!

 

Vivian and Sallie from Walla Walla, USA

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
wiljame...@gmail.com  
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

 

There is a benefit for using ChatGPT.  Here is a dialog with me and it about 
the Augusta National Golf Club.  Keep in mind I have never seen the Augusta 
National, let alone set foot on it, even though I am from there.

 

You

I am visually impaired. I have never been to the Augusta national, so describe 
the layout of the chorus and the holes to me!

 

ChatGPT

The Augusta National Golf Club, home of the Masters Tournament, is renowned for 
its stunning layout. The course features a hilly terrain with lush green 
fairways and beautiful azalea-lined pathways.

The front nine holes wind through the Georgia pines, starting with the 
relatively short par-4 first hole and leading to the iconic par-3 12th hole, 
known as "Golden Bell," which requires a precise tee shot over Rae's Creek to a 
narrow green.

The back nine is known for its challenging closing stretch, including the 
famous par-5 13th hole, named "Azalea," which offers players a risk-reward 
opportunity for eagle or birdie. The par-4 18th hole, "Holly," demands accuracy 
off the tee to avoid the fairway bunkers and sets up a dramatic approach shot 
to the elevated green.

Overall, Augusta National's layout is characterized by its strategic bunkering, 
undulating greens, and picturesque water hazards, providing a challenging yet 
picturesque test for the world's best golfers.

 

You

Tell me about Amen Corner from Augusta National.

 

ChatGPT

Amen Corner is one of the most famous stretches of holes at Augusta National 
Golf Club, specifically holes 11, 12, and 13. This iconic trio of holes begins 
with the par-4 11th, named "White Dogwood," which features a narrow tee shot 
and an approach to a green guarded by a pond on the left. Then comes the 
legendary par-3 12th, known as "Golden Bell," where players must navigate a tee 
shot over Rae's Creek to a small, undulating green protected by bunkers. 
Finally, the stretch concludes with the par-5 13th, named "Azalea," which 
offers a chance for players to make up ground with a well-placed tee shot 
followed by a strategic approach over Rae's Creek to an elevated green.

Amen Corner gained its name from Herbert Warren Wind, a golf writer, who coined 
the term in a 1958 Sports Illustrated article. The name stuck, and today Amen 
Corner is synonymous with one of the most challenging and picturesque parts of 
Augusta National, where many pivotal moments in the Masters Tournament have 
unfolded over the years.

 

You

Describe the other holes to me.

 

ChatGPT

Certainly! At Augusta National Golf Club, each hole has its own unique 
characteristics and challenges. Here's a brief overview of the remaining holes:

1.

Hole 1 - Tea Olive: A relatively short par-4 with a wide fairway but guarded by 
bunkers on both sides. It's a gentle start to the round.

2.

Hole 2 - Pink Dogwood: A longer par-5 with a dogleg left. Players must navigate 
bunkers and trees to reach the green in regulation.

3.

Hole 3 - Flowering Peach: A medium-length 

RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

[leobado1982]

Yeah, that’s my experience as well, and what I’ve herd from scholars.

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2024 11:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

 

I only used it out of curiosity a few times for writing and I found the exact 
opposite. Here is one example, my request for ChatGPT was:

 

Write me a 500 word essay about the Brother Grimm

And Below is what I got and it's in my opinion perfectly written and what is 
more, it's all perfectly correct since I grew up in a town in Germany where the 
Brothers Grimm lived for 7 years as children and in which area many of the 
fairytales are taking place and I know that the facts mentioned are true:

 

The Brothers Grimm were two German brothers who collected and published 
folklore in the 19th century. They are widely regarded as the

founders of the modern study of folklore and the creators of some of the most 
popular fairy tales in the world. Here is a brief essay about their life and 
work.

 

The Brothers Grimm, Jacob and Wilhelm, were born in 1785 and 1786, 
respectively, in Hanau, Germany. They came from a large and poor family, and 
their father died when they were young. They both studied law at the University 
of Marburg, where they developed an interest in German literature and history. 
They were influenced by the Romantic movement, which valued the folk traditions 
and culture of the common people. They also befriended other scholars and 
writers, such as Clemens Brentano and Ludwig Achim von Arnim, who shared their 
passion for collecting folktales.

The Brothers Grimm began their project of collecting and publishing folktales 
in 1806, when they met a peasant woman who told them several stories. They soon 
realized that these stories were part of a rich and diverse oral tradition that 
was in danger of being lost. They decided to preserve these stories for 
posterity and to demonstrate the beauty and wisdom of the German folk spirit. 
They traveled around the country, interviewing storytellers, mostly women and 
children, and recording their tales. They also consulted books, manuscripts, 
and other sources of folk literature. They applied a rigorous methodology to 
their work, comparing different versions of the same tale, analyzing the motifs 
and themes, and tracing the origins and influences of the stories.

The first volume of their collection, titled Children's and Household Tales 
(Kinder- und Hausmärchen), was published in 1812. It contained 86 stories, such 
as "The Frog King", "Hansel and Gretel", "Little Red Riding Hood", "Rapunzel", 
and "Snow White". The collection was well received by the public and the 
critics, who praised the simplicity, originality, and charm of the tales. The 
Brothers Grimm continued to revise and expand their collection, adding more 
stories, annotations, and illustrations. By the seventh and final edition, 
published in 1857, the collection had grown to 211 stories, including 
"Cinderella", "The Sleeping Beauty", "Rumpelstiltskin", and "The Golden Goose".

The Brothers Grimm also worked on other scholarly and literary projects, such 
as the German Legends (Deutsche Sagen), a collection of historical and mythical 
tales; the German Mythology (Deutsche Mythologie), a comprehensive study of the 
Germanic and Scandinavian myths and beliefs; and the German Dictionary 
(Deutsches Wörterbuch), a monumental work of lexicography that aimed to 
document the history and usage of the German language. The Brothers Grimm also 
held various academic and political positions, and were involved in the 
movements for German nationalism and unification. They died in 1863 and 1859, 
respectively,

leaving behind a legacy of immense cultural and scientific significance.

The Brothers Grimm are widely recognized as the pioneers of the modern 
discipline of folklore, as they established the methods and principles for 
collecting, editing, and analyzing folktales. They also influenced many other 
folklorists, such as Charles Perrault, Hans Christian Andersen, and Joseph 
Jacobs, who followed their example and contributed to the global treasury of 
folk literature. The Brothers Grimm also enriched the world of literature and 
art, as their fairy tales inspired countless adaptations, retellings, and 
interpretations by various authors, artists, and filmmakers. Their fairy tales 
have become part of the universal imagination and have shaped the values and 
dreams of generations of children and adults. The Brothers Grimm are truly the 
masters of the magic of storytelling.

 

Word count: 500 Message has links

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RE: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

[leobado1982]

Hello. I've been using AI to jog my mind, my memory, brush up my knowledge, and 
enhance my cognitive processes since day 1 in at the end of 2022. I'm also 
paying a subscription for Copilot pro to use this AI through multiple AI 
interfaces, including Microsoft 365 desktop apps. However, you can start by 
using a free account on any AI you want although I would suggest Copilot, 
ChatGPT, or Gemini. AI is exactly like a screen reader, you don't know what you 
can do with it until you use it to do what you intended to do in the first 
place. You're the person behind the wheels. I'm also in college, and currently 
writing my thesis, and These AI's can help you to boost your writing skills. As 
for stylistic issues, you should find your own distinctive voice, and one of 
these AI's can help you to clarify any doubt you have with regard to 
organization, structure, word choice, terminology, etc. For instance, if you 
want to learn how to write an academic paper, one of my first questions would 
be, "As for academic papers, are there different types  or just one type?" Then 
ask how it is structure, what do every single part of the structure is made 
for, how to write an effective topic sentence, and so on and so forth. It can 
give you even examples of notorious academic papers that have been written 
using a particular type, e.g., argumentative. 
For the iPhone, Copilot is the best option because you can use even GPT 4 turbo 
for free and the voice response is real good.

Cheers,
Leo Bado.

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.
Khalil Gibran.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2024 12:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Using Chat GPT, and other Apss

Hello everyone,


First of all, please know that I am not trying to start anything, with 
the questions that I am about to ask. I honestly want to understand how 
these things can be of help to me. But, not do all of the work for me.


I am curious, does anyone here use Chat GPT? Or, Microsoft Co-Pilot?

Not sure I spelled that last one correctly.


If anyone here does use these Apps, or any others I might not be aware 
of, how accessible are they?

Also, what might you use them for?


I am currently attending a local community college. My goal is to 
hopefully get my Masters degree. I am a long way off from this though, 
and life could go in a totally different direction. I am also an older 
student. I don't even know if I will ever have a career.


Anyway, one thing I would like to use Chat GPT for, is to get help with 
my writing. I never really learned how to write papers in high school. I 
feel so behind in this area. I am told all the time that I need to kind 
of learn to BS my way through stuff.

However, I am not at all good with that sort of thing.


Please understand, I do not want to cheat! Or, plagiarize anything. I 
really just want to use AI to help me with this huge struggle. I want 
help with structure, and all that. But, I want to make the paper my own. 
And, make changes where necessary.


However, I also want to make use of these Apps, in other ways as well, 
if this can be beneficial for me. I just don't know enough, to know what 
I might be missing out on. I know we do have to be careful, when using 
any sort of AI. And, we need to be smart about what we do. I just think 
though that all of this stuff can really benefit us in a lot of ways.


Thank you to anyone who has read this. Any thoughts, or advice will be 
very much appreciated.


Terri

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RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[leobado1982]

Amen!

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dana Leet
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 3:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

No one in the Blind community complains when prices go up at McDonald’s or if 
prices change on anything else that they have that is available in the court 
“sided world. I think this is utterly ridiculous that people were complaining 
about the people at VoiceStream reader having to make changes so that the app 
can stay around for a while, because costs for everything have skyrocketed. I 
should know trying to buy a house. The values of homes are double even triple 
what they were five years ago. It’s ridiculous right now. My thing is why 
complain. Be happy that we have something that works so well. What else is out 
there that even works half as good as this app with reading things on our 
devices. People are going to mess around and get the whole thing lost for all 
of us which is absolutely not a good idea at all. I applaud the people at 
applause that make voice stream reader, because I think it is an amazing app. 
And I will continue to support them.  I think it is absolutely ridiculous. How 
much this is gone on and on and on. Nobody complains about paying for Netflix, 
Hulu, YouTube TV, all these other things that whatever have you and just so you 
guys know this app is not only for people that are blind. It’s for people that 
have other reading disabilities as well.  So honestly I think 50 something 
dollars a year is ridiculous. That’s basically a dollar a week I don’t 
understand why you guys are complaining so much. It’s just absolutely 
ridiculous and it just makes me not proud to be blind. Dana. 





On Mar 31, 2024, at 5:20 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I’m 42 I’ll be honest and say I haven’t seen a controversy where it won’t go 
away.  The community is united.  You don’t see that very often.  While I do 
think Voicedream cares I don’t know they truly get how much they have pissed 
off the community.  Again I’ve never seen this as bad as it is now.  The 
question is twofold   1 can Voicedream do enough to get back the blind 
community.

2 can they do enough with the app to be around in another 5 or 10 years.

I will say there are more expensive apps that do less but again I’ve never seen 
the community so united.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

Hi Arnold,

 

None of these would happen. Nothing that dramatic would occur. What Apple could 
do is simply reject their update and tell them to fix the app so functionality 
isn't taken away from previous customers. The Apple review team rejects many 
new apps and app updates on a regular basis and it's not a big deal. Devs just 
implement the required changes and then they're good to go. Alternatively, if 
the code is already live with the update released last week, Apple could pull 
the app from the store until they fix it, especially since the change was 
undocumented until you installed the update.

 

However it's also possible that this will fly under Apple's radar or that 
they'll choose to not act. Even though this clearly doesn't jive with my 
reading of the guidelines, subscription models are all over the place and I 
think a lot of this type of behaviour flies under the radar. The review team 
doesn't catch everything.

 

Of course it's also possible I'm simply reading the guidelines incorrectly.



Grant Hardy

 

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 1:38 PM Arnold Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Another thing to wonder about: Suppose Apple investigates and decides that 
their guidelines have been violated. What can Apple do about it that won't hurt 
everybody. They can simply remove VoiceDream from the app store. They could sue 
the developers and end up in court which would probably take years to resolve. 
Apple could issue some update to the IOS which would prevent VoiceDream from 
operating while the issue is resolved.Or, the developers could just say, well, 
to heck with it, we will simply stop supporting the thing and go out of 
business because it isn't worth going to court over.  If any of these solutions 
are acurate, we all would end up worse off than if Apple just let it go. 

 

Arnold Schmidt 

 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3


On Mar 31, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Grant Hardy mailto:grantha...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi Arnold,

 

As per your second point, there could still be lots of reasons to get a 
subscription, but they should revolve around 

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[leobado1982]

I believe that for picky consumers a monthly subscription is more suitable 
because it gives you the opportunity to assess app’s performance at regular 
intervals. I’m waiting for it!

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

Richard I do agree with you  I do think they truly care.  There messaging and 
communication is absolutely terrible and that is something they need to work 
on.  Being honest transparent and communicating with us to see what we want and 
need in the app will go a long way.  But again Richard I do agree they care.  
I’m considering the monthly option.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

I took Dennis’s advice and made a donation to listen to Jonathan interviewing 
Kishin Manglani from the Applause Group.

It is very much worth listening to.  It is fairly long, but it is very clear 
that they care very much about their customers and are doing their best to 
provide a quality product and adding new features.

 

The one thing I noticed if you go into the Voice Dream Reader app and double 
tap on settings, then on subscription, it brings up the post titled Pricing 
Changes for One-Time Purchasers.

As you read through that, when you get to the line that says, try the 14 day 
trial or something like that, it doesn’t say it is a link or button, but if you 
double tap on that, it takes you to the app store where you can choose to 
subscribe and get 2 weeks free if you were a one-time purchaser.  I don’t know 
what you get if you are a new subscriber.

 

But signing up this way keeps it fairly simple and familiar since it is within 
the app store.

The difference from subscribing through the link through a service that seems 
to be called Stripe or something; whatever Jonathan said, the Applause Group 
gets a higher cut of the payment than if you go through the app store.

I don’t know if people realize, that whatever price you pay for an app through 
the app store, Apple gets a pretty big cut.  I think 20 or 30 percent and the 
developer gets the rest.

 

IN any case, I’ve signed up through the app store.

 

They will be offering a monthly option in the not too distant future.

 

HTH,

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

You can subscribe to livingly blindfully plus for just 60 American cents and 
get access today or wait 3 days.  I strongly encourage you to listen to it.  I 
do think the Voicedream team does care and value our feedback.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

 

Hello everybody I believe that we just have to except what do people with voice 
dream reader want to do. That developers are totally free to increase prices or 
make free apps, paid apps or whatever they feel they want to do need to do or 
have to do to make money. Just remember that Free doesn’t make any money for 
anybody and, he doesn’t buy anyone’s lunch. I think we’d all be better served 
if we could look for something that does the same things as voice dream reader 
and it’s either Free or at least at low cost. It just sounds like the people 
that work with voice dream reader are going to do whatever they’re going to do 
and they’re not willing to, or able to change their minds.  Just trying to find 
an alternative would be a lot more productive for everybody than just talking 
about not being able to use voice dream reader. I’m just saying all this 
whatever it’s worth. For all I know it may not be worth anything not even a 
plug penny or a plug nickel. 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

I highly doubt it violates any 

Voice Dream an monthly subscription

[leobado1982]

Hello folks. I know that we have been talking a lot about VDR these days, but I 
consider healthy discussions the best way to socialize our likes and dislikes. 
Yesterday I sent a message to VDR support asking for any viability to add a 
monthly subscription, and they told me that in all likelihood, a monthly 
subscription deal will be added very soon.

At this point all I have to say is that no monthly subscription was my only one 
and single pet peeve! I know that probably there are other users like me out 
there hoping for a similar deal. Personally, a monthly subscription gives me 
the possibility to balance my monthly expenses. Also, a monthly subscription 
gives the user the opportunity to see VDR performance and how much one needs 
the app, in a nutshell, you’re having an active subscription while you’re 
mulling things over! Go VDR! Thousands of readings waiting for me 

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

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for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

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Speech Central developer?

[leobado1982]

Hi. Does anyone have the e-mail address of the Speech Central developer app?
If I recall well, sometimes he pops in, isn't it? Maybe someone caught his
address?

 

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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[leobado1982]

Hi Chris, I agree with you, I wish there was a monthly subscription, for now, 
that's my single and only  pet peeve!

Cheers,
Leo Bado.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream


What I think is that originally the new owners thought that they would have 
enough new subscribers to keep it going, and that is why they originally stated 
that current owners did not have to subscribe.  But now that a year has past, 
they did not get as many new subscribers as they planned, so in order to keep 
it going, they are having to make everybody subscribe, even those owners that 
existed when they bought the company.  

One thing to keep in mind is that the Mac version has always been a 
subscription, and that price is $60 a year.  If I remember correctly, Winston 
set that price when it was released.  All the owners are now doing is including 
the iOS app within that subscription.  So now for $60, you get both the iOS and 
Mac versions.

I do think Voice Dream is worth the subscription, especially if you are someone 
that uses it all the time.  I will say that there has been a lot of updates 
over the last year.  So the new owners are not just letting it sit and stay as 
it was when they got it.  The only thing is, I do wish they would give you an 
option to pay by the month.

Chris


> On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:36 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I agree that $60 a year is a bit much, but I think people are going to be 
> surprised and disappointed at what they can get for alternatives. I admit 
> that I have yet to try Dolphin Easy Reader and the Bookshare reader for 
> myself, but reading the reviews are not encouraging. It is one thing if a few 
> reviewers don't like an app,  another when only a few reviews say an app is 
> good.  There just aren't that many daisy readers out there. I wish Bookshare 
> would bring back the reader they had years ago. It was a good reader, for a 
> time it actually was better than Voice Dream. But then, Voice Dream got 
> better, I got it, and Bookshare dropped their reader of that time. Voice 
> Dream does a lot of things really well.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:16 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
> 
> They're going to switch to a subscription model for everyone and we either 
> like it and pay or don't.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Long
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
> 
> I agree $20 I might go that.  Even that is a might.  I just don't use it 
> enough.  I'm not against paying for apps.  I subscribe to weather apps and 
> parcel.  So clearly I'm not against app subscriptions.  This is again is more 
> than 50% of the cost of a screen reader.  That needs to be pointed out to 
> them.  Again more than 50% of the cost of a screen reader.  That reads my 
> computer screen to me and allows me to use my computer.  If the company 
> thinks people will pay more than 50% of a screen reader subscription they 
> truly are nuts.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
> Canazzi
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I  would be willing to pay up to twenty dollars yearly, but this is 
> ridiculous. I could afford it, but it is still way too high for an app on an 
> Apple device. As mentioned before, the average price of most apps usable with 
> IOS devices is between five and ten dollars US.  Allowing for the smaller 
> market, I could easily pay double yearly, but not sextuplet!
> 
> 
>> On 3/26/2024 3:49 AM, Dennis Long wrote:
>> They aren't considering that a large number of blind people can't afford $60 
>> a year.  They aren't also considering that a large number of blind people 
>> aren't able to find jobs in the USA.More over if it were more reasonably 
>> priced maybe and it’s a big maybe.  It would be a big maybe because the only 
>> reason they would lower the price is they terribly misjudged the market.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> regina alvarado
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:17 PM
>> To: Viphone 
>> Subject: Making everyone pay for voice dream
>> 
>> Just received a message voice dream is going to cost 59 dollars a year now. 
>> A pet peeve of mine is everything requires a subscription. I see nothing in 
>> there reasons for this that affects me. So, nice I had it for so long. It 
>> was a wonderful app, but I am done with it. As with MBraille I was one 

RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[leobado1982]

so, are both choices available? monthly subscription and yearly subscription?

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 5:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

That’s $5 a month.

I’m sure people waste $5 a month on crap they don’t need. Heck a streaming 
service is more expensive. Bookshare is now $79 a year.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 2:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

Not at these rates make it reasonable this is ridiculous.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

Developers have to eat too. They should get paid.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

So I opened up the app again and got the banner at the bottom of the screen. 
Not sure if I’ll sign onto the $60, but honestly, I more than got my money’s 
worth and then some for this app if this is the case. 

I believe BookPlayer also has an in-app payment option for cloud storage and 
syncing. 

For some folks, the 60 bucks for VDR might even be worth it as you can use just 
one app for both eBooks and audiobooks. Everyone knows their own budget though.

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never 
heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just 
too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to 
download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly 
reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s 
doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.

Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I have not updated today.

But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.

$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.

You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[leobado1982]

Have they given you an actual answer on the price?

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 1:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

Oh I reached out to them.  They are ridiculous. I remember this company saying 
something if you had already purchased it.  I’m off to find what that was.  I 
will again encourage everyone to at the least contact them the more that don’t 
buy it the stronger message it will send them.  This is more then 50 percent of 
what a Jaws subscription is in the USA   I don’t think so.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

I mentioned DAISY Easy Reader and Speech Central if you cannot afford Voice 
Dream Reader.

Perhaps you should reach out to supp...@voicedream.com 
  and ask about pricing in other countries.

Or, as you say, just use Easy Reader.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a 
Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream 
ends up being subscriptiononly. Good luck!

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

El 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 9:01 p.m., Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > escribió:

Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book 
player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download 
stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything 
else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates 
anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They 
shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare 
because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about 
whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  
I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows 
the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James mailto:wiljame...@gmail.com> > wrote:

BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and 
M4B.  You can get it from the following link.

 






  

  BookPlayer

  Plays M4B/M4A/MP3 
audiobooks

 

Sent from my iPad Air 5

 

On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had 
never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. 
It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an 
easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would 
possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice 
stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.

Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



I have not updated today.

But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.

$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.

You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest 

RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[leobado1982]

Oh boy, as for the Microsoft voices , read the VDR FAQ. To my understanding, 
they won’t implemented any of the cloud-based voices, but let’s say they do, 
well all they could really do is to offer the possibility to introduce your own 
API key, but you have to purchase this from Microsoft just as it is done in 
Speech Central, and guess what? Price is even higher than a VDR subscription.

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 1:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

I’d expect this subscription could pay for things like new audio formats like 
ogg could be played. Also maybe newer voices like those from Microsofft. Take a 
chance and see what happens. I wish people weren’t so picky. I will support 
voice dream reader and I really hope others will do so as well. I am looking 
forward to the future of the app if people will stop whineing and pay for the 
app. It really does a lot of great stuff. If you want something that works 
well, sometimes you have to pay for it.

Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!





On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:54 AM, Ron Canazzi mailto:aa...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:

 Hi Group,

The Book Share program itself now has its own app. It is free and while a bit 
limited, it does read book share books quite well and the recent addition of a 
bookmark feature makes it usable in that limited context. 

On 3/26/2024 12:38 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:

You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a 
Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream 
ends up being subscriptiononly. Good luck!

Gera 

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel





El 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 9:01 p.m., Mary Otten   
 escribió:

Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book 
player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download 
stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything 
else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates 
anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They 
shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare 
because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about 
whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  
I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows 
the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. 

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James   
 wrote:

BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and 
M4B.  You can get it from the following link. 

 






  

  BookPlayer

  Plays M4B/M4A/MP3 
audiobooks

   

  Sent from my iPad Air 5

  



  On Mar 25, 2024, at 
7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

  I tend to agree with 
you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer 
app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he 
did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download 
bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I 
don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly 
happy with what I have now. 

  Mary

   

  Sent from my iPhone

  



  On Mar 25, 2024, at 
4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

   

  I have not updated 
today.

  But, if anyone wants 
to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream 
LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription 
to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version 
as a subscription.

  $59 a year seems 
perfectly 

RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[leobado1982]

Not only unexpected, but really odd, why some users get an e mail message while 
others are completely left in a limbo….  Suspicious to say the least anyway, 
thank you Reggie for the info.

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 5:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

The email said it starts on May 1. When I went to the link, it showed me that 
it was $59 a year. It had all kinds of things they had done and why they would 
change to everyone. I bought it I think for five dollars. I was one of the 
first people to buy it I think. It said that on May 1, you will no longer be 
able to download anything. I use it only for books share and I’m very sorry 
that it’s going.

 

 

Reggie Alvarado 


On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:55 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:



Well, if you want to throw some light on this, ask someone for assistance when 
you launch VDR, so that you can turn off voice over. Apparently, double tap on 
the learn more link makes the banner go away, so we’re deep in the woods here.

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 5:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

I have not updated today.

But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.

$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.

You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[leobado1982]

Well, if you want to throw some light on this, ask someone for assistance when 
you launch VDR, so that you can turn off voice over. Apparently, double tap on 
the learn more link makes the banner go away, so we’re deep in the woods here.

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 5:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

I have not updated today.

But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.

$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.

You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…

 

Richard, USA

"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)

 

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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[leobado1982]

I purchased VDR 10 years ago, an the banner was there in the lower side of the 
screen, when I tried to got into learn more, it just went away.

 

Cheers,

Leo Bado.

 

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.

Khalil Gibran.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 3:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

I don’t know if it’s been stated, but for those who received that message, were 
you one time purchasers or already on the subscription based model?  I got the 
VDR update too, but no such banner or at least not yet. I bought the app way 
back in 2011 or 2012 and have certainly gotten my money’s worth. 

There’s an alternative app called Bookplayer 
  which is very 
accessible. 

You can always use Apple’s native book app for eBooks and Kindle even supports 
ePub files now.

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

 

I updated and when the notice came up in the app I clicked on the learn more 
thing at the bottom of the screen and the announcement went away and it did not 
take me anywhere I could learn more, it just wen back to the list of books I 
have.

 

Not impressed.

 

Dan Beaver

Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA

On 3/25/2024 4:30 PM, Peggy Kane wrote:

 

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

 

On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:27 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Where did you receive this message?  I updated VDR today, and a window popped 
up saying something about a price change, but didn't get to read in more detail 
because It got closed before I could do something.

Cheers,
Leo Bado.

I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.
Khalil Gibran.

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regina alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 2:17 PM
To: Viphone   
Subject: Making everyone pay for voice dream

Just received a message voice dream is going to cost 59 dollars a year now. A 
pet peeve of mine is everything requires a subscription. I see nothing in there 
reasons for this that affects me. So, nice I had it for so long. It was a 
wonderful app, but I am done with it. As with MBraille I was one of the first 
to buy it for I think 5 dollars. Makes me want to cry to lose it, but much more 
important places to put my money. On Social Security with a guide dog and so 
guess it goes away. Still want to cry after all the books from Bookshare it has 
read to me.  

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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[leobado1982]

Where did you receive this message?  I updated VDR today, and a window popped 
up saying something about a price change, but didn't get to read in more detail 
because It got closed before I could do something.

Cheers,
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Khalil Gibran.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 2:17 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Making everyone pay for voice dream

Just received a message voice dream is going to cost 59 dollars a year now. A 
pet peeve of mine is everything requires a subscription. I see nothing in there 
reasons for this that affects me. So, nice I had it for so long. It was a 
wonderful app, but I am done with it. As with MBraille I was one of the first 
to buy it for I think 5 dollars. Makes me want to cry to lose it, but much more 
important places to put my money. On Social Security with a guide dog and so 
guess it goes away. Still want to cry after all the books from Bookshare it has 
read to me.  

Reggie Alvarado 

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Voice Dream Reader and change in the price?

[leobado1982]

Hi everyone. I updated VDR few minutes ago, and when I launched the app, a
banner or something of that kind came up saying something about price change
plus learn more, so I tried to tap into learn more but the banner gone away.
Does anyone know better?

 

Cheers,

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Voice Dream Reader , support for more audio files!

[leobado1982]

Hey folks, as you may have noticed, two consecutive releases for VDR came
out in the last couple of days. Well, in a nutshell, VDR now supports M4B
files! Isn't it great? I love this app.

 

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RE: VoiceDream - is it safe to update?

[leobado1982]

Hi, it is essential for me as well, and I haven't had any issues in this 
version, which was released 5 days ago by the way. However, I won't say that 
this should be every single user experience. I had issues weeks ago  that 
apparently most users were not having, reinstalling the app fixed it. 

Best,
 Leo Bado

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
Bosher
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2023 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: VoiceDream - is it safe to update?

Hi All,


Somebody recently posted to say that the latest version of VoiceDream, 
4.23.8 I think, had broken accessibility. As this is an essential app 
for me, I haven't updated recently. Please can you confirm whether it's 
safe or not to update now?


Best,


Peter


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Voice Dream Reader on a different platform

[leobado1982]

Hello. I  got a question. Is VDR available for Windows PC's? I know for sure
it is available for MAC, but I'm surprised that someone on a different list
sent a link where VDR it's been purportedly offered for Windows.  I'm
posting here the link, but it is a domain in Spain by which you will find
the language to be Spanish. Is this real or a scam? Does anybody know the
e-mail address of the company that now owns  VDR? I know the support e-mail
address, but I  don't think that the developer behind the IOS version knows
better than anyone else.

 

 

Best,

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RE: Voice Dream Reader

[leobado1982]

Hi, I don't think that makes a difference because I updated for the second time 
this day and I'm in Costa Rica. Do the following, right on the screen where the 
updates are supposed to show up, perform the gesture of swiping down with three 
fingers. Now check again.

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 Leo Bado

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader

hi, I updated 2 version 4.2.4, I think, last Monday, October 30, and haven’t 
seen an update in the App Store since. Can you send me the link for the most 
current version? Thanks. By the way I’m in Southern California. Just in case 
that makes any difference.


> On Nov 4, 2023, at 2:10 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, that was fast.
> I just rechecked for updates and Voice Dream 4.23.3 is now there and it says, 
> "fix a bug that would prevent the app from opening."
> For those who have felt like the Applause Group have not been very 
> responsive, I hope this helps folks realize they are working very hard to 
> improve the app.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 2:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader
> 
> I heard back from the developer at Applause Group concerning Voice Dream 
> Reader.
> 
> There will be, two updates today.
> One: Which I just found in the app store is, 4.23.2 was to fix some slowness 
> for users with lots of files.
> 
> Just released to Apple is another, 4.23.3 that fixes the issue with iCloud.  
> I don't see that one yet in the app store, but I suspect it will be there 
> later today or in a day or two.  I don't know how long it takes Apple to pass 
> updates on to the app store.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> leobado1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 9:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader
> 
> Hi, I also had my library set not to sync using iCloud, running the last 
> version of IOS, and never experienced a similar problem as I said in a 
> different thread. Additionally, other users reporting this annoying issue 
> were using different iPhones.. By the way, nobody is saying that VDR isn't 
> great. If you didn't experience this, good for you.  As I said, I deleted and 
> reinstalled the app, and it got fixed, but firstly I tried updating VDr to 
> the version that was released today with no luck. As far as I'm concerned, it 
> is not a device-specific problem, it is not the IOS version, and in my case, 
> I can flatly sate that it isn't a matter of corrupted data because I set up 
> my iPhone as New in late September, and performed a clean installation of 
> VDR. Besides, I'm a heavy user, meaning that on Thursday night the app was 
> running perfectly fine, and the problem started just after yesterday's update 
> and remained even after today's release.
> 
> Best,
> Leo Bado
> 
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RE: Voice Dream Reader

[leobado1982]

Yah, admittedly they are working efficiently. On a different subject, I noticed 
until today that the speed rate is much more better now for Eloquence, which is 
my default voice. 

Best,
 Leo Bado

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader

Well, that was fast.
I just rechecked for updates and Voice Dream 4.23.3 is now there and it says, 
"fix a bug that would prevent the app from opening."
For those who have felt like the Applause Group have not been very responsive, 
I hope this helps folks realize they are working very hard to improve the app.




Richard, USA.
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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 2:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader

I heard back from the developer at Applause Group concerning Voice Dream Reader.

There will be, two updates today.
One: Which I just found in the app store is, 4.23.2 was to fix some slowness 
for users with lots of files.

Just released to Apple is another, 4.23.3 that fixes the issue with iCloud.  I 
don't see that one yet in the app store, but I suspect it will be there later 
today or in a day or two.  I don't know how long it takes Apple to pass updates 
on to the app store.







Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
leobado1...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 9:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader

Hi, I also had my library set not to sync using iCloud, running the last 
version of IOS, and never experienced a similar problem as I said in a 
different thread. Additionally, other users reporting this annoying issue were 
using different iPhones.. By the way, nobody is saying that VDR isn't great. If 
you didn't experience this, good for you.  As I said, I deleted and reinstalled 
the app, and it got fixed, but firstly I tried updating VDr to the version that 
was released today with no luck. As far as I'm concerned, it is not a 
device-specific problem, it is not the IOS version, and in my case, I can 
flatly sate that it isn't a matter of corrupted data because I set up my iPhone 
as New in late September, and performed a clean installation of VDR. Besides, 
I'm a heavy user, meaning that on Thursday night the app was running perfectly 
fine, and the problem started just after yesterday's update and remained even 
after today's release.

Best,
 Leo Bado

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RE: Voice Dream Reader

[leobado1982]

Hi, I also had my library set not to sync using iCloud, running the last 
version of IOS, and never experienced a similar problem as I said in a 
different thread. Additionally, other users reporting this annoying issue were 
using different iPhones.. By the way, nobody is saying that VDR isn't great. If 
you didn't experience this, good for you.  As I said, I deleted and reinstalled 
the app, and it got fixed, but firstly I tried updating VDr to the version that 
was released today with no luck. As far as I'm concerned, it is not a 
device-specific problem, it is not the IOS version, and in my case, I can 
flatly sate that it isn't a matter of corrupted data because I set up my iPhone 
as New in late September, and performed a clean installation of VDR. Besides, 
I'm a heavy user, meaning that on Thursday night the app was running perfectly 
fine, and the problem started just after yesterday's update and remained even 
after today's release.

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RE: Voice Dream Reader refusing to open after today's update.

[leobado1982]

Well, in my case nothing worked except for deleting and reinstalling. I even 
found a new update this morning, but it didn’t make a difference after 
launching it. This is the very first time I got such an issue with VDR, I even 
set up my iPhone as a new device when IOS 17 was released, so it is not like 
data was corrupted.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Friday, November 3, 2023 5:02 PM
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Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader refusing to open after today's update.

 

Yes, I had the same problem with Voice Dream reader today. The only way I was 
able to get it to respond was to upload all my books to the cloud, which I had 
stopped doing for a while that corrected the problem. Maybe turn off and on any 
downloads that you have given to the cloud and see if that helps. so I was not 
backing Voice Dream reader books to my phone and when I turned it on and back 
them up, it responded as it used to.

Take care. 

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️





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Hello, I installed the update that was released today, but VDR refuses to open. 
I’ve already rebooted my iPhone SE 2020, and relaunched VDR with no luck. Is 
anyone else having this issue?

 

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RE: Voice Dream Reader

[leobado1982]

That is exactly what is happening to me, you described it in a better way. I'm 
going to try reinstalling the app.

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Subject: Voice Dream Reader

Hello,

I am also having trouble with voice dream reader after it’s update.  I am using 
an iPhone thirteen mini with version 16.7.2.
When I try to open voice dream, I just get a blank screen.  According to the 
app switcher, voice dream is open.  I closed it in the app switcher, and 
rebooted my phone, but still no success.
Any thoughts or suggestions is greatly appreciated.

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Voice Dream Reader refusing to open after today's update.

[leobado1982]

Hello, I installed the update that was released today, but VDR refuses to
open. I've already rebooted my iPhone SE 2020, and relaunched VDR with no
luck. Is anyone else having this issue?

 

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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[leobado1982]

Hmm, Siri the dumbest and the most expensive, where did I see that? Oh yes, Las 
Vegas! Viva Las Vegas!

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RE: How to send a photo from iPhone to computer?

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Hi. Either to e-mail yourself the photo or to save it in one of your cloud 
services, put the voice over focus on the image, now use the one-finger swipe 
down gesture as many times as you need until you hear “forward,” and double tap 
with one finger on that option. The photo will be selected to be forwarded, now 
go to the lower right corner  of the screen, and if you did the previous step 
right, instead of the voice message, you will find the “share button.”  Tap 
into it, and on the next screen you will see all the options where you can 
share the photo, including your clouds and even your e-mail. 

To save the photo in your gallery, in other words, your iPhone, double tap  
with one finger on the photo, now swipe right several times until you reach the 
share button, tap into it, swipe right again as many times as you need, and you 
will find the save option.

If you had WhatsApp on your computer it would be far easier, basically just 
placing the focus or your screen reader on the image, then bringing up the 
context menu, after which you just had to hit enter on “save as.” This taking 
into account that you use a Windows computer.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

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Elbert Hubbard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 6:02 AM
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Subject: RE: How to send a photo from iPhone to computer?

 

Perhaps, but I don’t know how. If this is possible, please tell me how to do it.

In addition, how do I save the picture in the iPhone?

 

Rena

 

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Turner
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2023 11:49 AM
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Subject: RE: How to send a photo from iPhone to computer?

 

Can you email it to yourself?

 

Or, save it to a cloud service like Dropbox or OneDrive and then access it from 
your computer there?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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Hello,

 

Someone sent me a photo by WhatsApp. I would like to send it to my Windows pc 
and also to save it in the iPhone.

How can I do these 2 tasks? I never did it before.

 

Rena 

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IOS 17.0.1 is out finxing bugs!

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That's it!

 

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"per voice settings" in IOS 17 and Voice Dream Reader

[leobado1982]

Hi, I sent the following message to VDR support suppp...@voicedream.com
   in case anyone feels like making the same
request.

 

Hello. IOS 17 introduced "pur voice settings" for most built-in synthesizer.
This settings allow for configurable parameters such as timbre and sentence
pause, in the case of some voices, an Headsize, roughness, breathiness,
etc., in the case of the well-known Eloquence synth. Moreover, these
parameters can be adjusted either in voice over (the screen reader))) or in
spoken content, which is a more general option for accessibility. However,
making changes in either "per voice settings"  option is not having an
impact in the way these voices read the text in Voice Dream Reader. The
capability to use the built-in voices with the modification of such
parameters would be a great deal for VDR users who also use voice over
because all too often we like to find the proper tune for our auditory
perception.

 

Thanks and keep up the good work!

 

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RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

[leobado1982]

You wrote this:

Ow do you adjust the quality of the sound on the JAWS voices?

So, I thought it was for Windows.

 

To get to this adjustments,  in the iPhone you can listen to this Applevis 
episode:

https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/AppleVisPodcast1565.mp3

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Thank you. This is for an 
Iphone and these instructions look like windows 

 

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Subject: RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Hi, I assume you want to modify the Jaws Eloquence.

 

You may want to carry out all the process by using a vocalizer voice instead of 
Eloquence.

 

First of all,  copy and paste the file that contains the values in a safe 
location, so that you can use it as a backup in any given scenario. Go to the 
following path:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1

 

Now copy the file “ECI.INI” and put it in a safe location. Notice that in this 
folder there are two files with the same name, so make sure you’re saving the 
right file .ini.

 

Now, to modify the values contained in ECI.INI you have to launch notepad as an 
administrator, press control plus O to open a file in Notepad, and locate 
ECI.INI in the explorer.  After pushing control plus O though, make sure to 
change to “all files” the type of file extensions  that you can open with 
Notepad, otherwise you won’t be able to locate ECI.INI.

 

Once Notepad opened ECI.INI, push control plus F, and type “enu.syn” without 
any quotes,  and hit enter. Now push escape to close the dialogue.  The focus 
of the cursor should have landed on the language-specific parameters for 
Eloquence, which in this case is English United States. For English UK, you 
should locate the following string:

“eng.syn”

 

Now hit the home key  to get you to the beginning of the line, and start 
arrowing down until you find a similar line to  this one:

Voice1=0 50 65 30 0 0 50 92

 

These are actually the values you should modify to change the voice. Notice 
that after the = sign there are 8 values separated by a blank space. Those 
values correspond  respectively to:

Gender

HeadSize

PitchBaseLine

Pitch Fluctuation

Roughness

Breathiness

Speed

Volume

 

All of them scale from 0 to 100 except for gender. In this case you use 0 for 
male and 1 for female.

Now, for some reason changes has never a real effect on speed and volume, so I 
believe that Jaws is simply overwriting those parameters no matter what you do, 
but for what it’s worth, modifying the other parameters do have a real effect.

 

After performing any change, don’t forget to save the document.

 

You will also notice that there are 8 voices under each language specific 
setting, (e.g., voice2, voice3, etc.(.  Those alias  correspond respectively to 
 Reed, Shelly, Bobby, Rocko, Glen, Sandy, Grandma and Grandpa. So,  when you 
modify voice1, you’re really modifying Reed and so on and so forth.  Since I 
always want to have Reed  using the default values, but I also wanted to 
introduce modifications to use a customized voice to read, I modified Voice4, 
namely Rocko, an saved the changes. Then, I created a new voice profile based 
on Eloquence, and chose Rocko to be used in all contexts, PC, Jaws cursor, 
keyboard, etc.  In this way I can have these other profiles and always come 
back to Eloquence using the Reed voice by default.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive."

Elbert Hubbard

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 1:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Ow do you 
adjust the quality of the sound on the JAWS voices? 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
matthew dyer
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:40 PM
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Subject: Re: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Hi, 

 

I am also using it on my iPad mini and with the ability to adjust the quality 
of the sound you can make it sound more anhanced.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:46 PM, 

RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

[leobado1982]

Yes, Eloquence sounds just great!

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive."

Elbert Hubbard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of matthew 
dyer
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 12:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Hi, 

 

I am also using it on my iPad mini and with the ability to adjust the quality 
of the sound you can make it sound more anhanced.

 

Matthew

 

 





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Hi.

 

Last year I tried Eloquence on my iPhone. It sounded like it was 
overmodulating, and lowering the volume didn’t fix it. In iOS 17, this seems to 
be fixed. I’m happy about this, and am using it as my voice of choice.

 

Just sharing my good thing for the day.

 

Kevin and Jilly

 

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RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

[leobado1982]

Hi, I assume you want to modify the Jaws Eloquence.

 

You may want to carry out all the process by using a vocalizer voice instead of 
Eloquence.

 

First of all,  copy and paste the file that contains the values in a safe 
location, so that you can use it as a backup in any given scenario. Go to the 
following path:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1

 

Now copy the file “ECI.INI” and put it in a safe location. Notice that in this 
folder there are two files with the same name, so make sure you’re saving the 
right file .ini.

 

Now, to modify the values contained in ECI.INI you have to launch notepad as an 
administrator, press control plus O to open a file in Notepad, and locate 
ECI.INI in the explorer.  After pushing control plus O though, make sure to 
change to “all files” the type of file extensions  that you can open with 
Notepad, otherwise you won’t be able to locate ECI.INI.

 

Once Notepad opened ECI.INI, push control plus F, and type “enu.syn” without 
any quotes,  and hit enter. Now push escape to close the dialogue.  The focus 
of the cursor should have landed on the language-specific parameters for 
Eloquence, which in this case is English United States. For English UK, you 
should locate the following string:

“eng.syn”

 

Now hit the home key  to get you to the beginning of the line, and start 
arrowing down until you find a similar line to  this one:

Voice1=0 50 65 30 0 0 50 92

 

These are actually the values you should modify to change the voice. Notice 
that after the = sign there are 8 values separated by a blank space. Those 
values correspond  respectively to:

Gender

HeadSize

PitchBaseLine

Pitch Fluctuation

Roughness

Breathiness

Speed

Volume

 

All of them scale from 0 to 100 except for gender. In this case you use 0 for 
male and 1 for female.

Now, for some reason changes has never a real effect on speed and volume, so I 
believe that Jaws is simply overwriting those parameters no matter what you do, 
but for what it’s worth, modifying the other parameters do have a real effect.

 

After performing any change, don’t forget to save the document.

 

You will also notice that there are 8 voices under each language specific 
setting, (e.g., voice2, voice3, etc.(.  Those alias  correspond respectively to 
 Reed, Shelly, Bobby, Rocko, Glen, Sandy, Grandma and Grandpa. So,  when you 
modify voice1, you’re really modifying Reed and so on and so forth.  Since I 
always want to have Reed  using the default values, but I also wanted to 
introduce modifications to use a customized voice to read, I modified Voice4, 
namely Rocko, an saved the changes. Then, I created a new voice profile based 
on Eloquence, and chose Rocko to be used in all contexts, PC, Jaws cursor, 
keyboard, etc.  In this way I can have these other profiles and always come 
back to Eloquence using the Reed voice by default.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive."

Elbert Hubbard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 1:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Ow do you 
adjust the quality of the sound on the JAWS voices? 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
matthew dyer
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:40 PM
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Subject: Re: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Hi, 

 

I am also using it on my iPad mini and with the ability to adjust the quality 
of the sound you can make it sound more anhanced.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Kevin Minor mailto:kmino...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi.

 

Last year I tried Eloquence on my iPhone. It sounded like it was 
overmodulating, and lowering the volume didn’t fix it. In iOS 17, this seems to 
be fixed. I’m happy about this, and am using it as my voice of choice.

 

Just sharing my good thing for the day.

 

Kevin and Jilly

 

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RE: Eloquence doesn't take any parameter modification after upgrading.

[leobado1982]

Listen to this demonstration, however, I wouldn’t know to tell you if this 
option is available for your iPad:

https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/AppleVisPodcast1565.mp3

 

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dyer
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Hi,  I don’t even see the option to change the settings in vo using eloquence.  
Am I missing something? 

 

I am using the iPad 5th gen mini.

 

Matthew

 





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  wrote:

 

Hello everyone. I upgraded to IOS 17 3 hours ago, but for some reason after 
changing any value  in the voice settings, those changes do not impact the 
Eloquence voice in any manner. I have already tried restarting my iPhone S.E 
second generation, and removing all the languages from the rotor, but nothing 
seems to work. Any idea? This is basically the only issue that I’m having. Any 
change I make, it only seems to have a real impact while I’m still in the 
screen where you can modify the values.

 

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RE: Information about this new voiceover adjustment and it not saving?

[leobado1982]

Yes, it is happening to me. I have tried rebooting my iPhone with no luck.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dana Leet
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Subject: Information about this new voiceover adjustment and it not saving?

 

I see where you can change sentence, pauses, and all kinds of inflection and 
tone and pitching different things under the voiceover now, however, when I put 
those changes in, they save under the Voice however, the changes don’t seem to 
implement in anything outside of the Settings app, so I was curious as to 
whether other people or also having the same issue? Dana

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Eloquence doesn't take any parameter modification after upgrading.

[leobado1982]

Hello everyone. I upgraded to IOS 17 3 hours ago, but for some reason after
changing any value  in the voice settings, those changes do not impact the
Eloquence voice in any manner. I have already tried restarting my iPhone S.E
second generation, and removing all the languages from the rotor, but
nothing seems to work. Any idea? This is basically the only issue that I'm
having. Any change I make, it only seems to have a real impact while I'm
still in the screen where you can modify the values.

 

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Sara AI assistant in WhatsApp

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Hi, how can I add Sara, the artificial intelligence assistant into WhatsApp?

 

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RE: Voice dream reader, TTS update

[leobado1982]

Finally, someone reliable mentioned  this on this list. I had already started 
to think that this release had been made available only for non English 
speaking countries.  Thanks Richard.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 2:29 PM
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Subject: Voice dream reader, TTS update

 

Below is the phrase used to describe the latest update.

 

Version 4.20.3, 1d ago, We updated the voice management screen in Voice Dream 
Reader. Give it a try and let us know what you think!

 

What they did was to now include all the voices. So, they are all included now 
so you do not have to buy any voices. So, if you wanted to try some out that 
you dicd not want to pay for, they are now free!

Richard, USA.

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RE: Chat GPT, Anyone?

[leobado1982]

You said:
It doesn’t tend to say “I don’t know”
Hmm, I  wonder what this reluctancy would be like  in a different context... oh 
just too much for my imagination! Lol 

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brandon 
Olivares
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 7:42 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Chat GPT, Anyone?

I do want to give a slight warning though in regards to asking for information. 
The AI can “hallucinate” and give dead wrong information, but do so very 
confidently. It doesn’t tend to say “I don’t know” but will just make stuff up, 
so verify everything.

> On Jul 11, 2023, at 9:32 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
>I've also messed with the iOS version. It's both fascinating and scary. 
> For a laugh, I asked it to write a blog post on the advancements of Apple's 
> VoiceOver screen access solution for iOS and the Mac, and its impact on 
> accessibility for blind users. The result absolutely floored me. I have also 
> asked it for information on a number of subjects and, again, have been amazed 
> at what has been produced.
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John Panarese
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
> Lehnis
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 11:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Chat GPT, Anyone?
> 
> I have the iOS ChatGPT. I find it very helpful in finding information about a 
> variety of topics. I have an asked it to do particular things for me other 
> than find information. I like it a lot and will continue to work with it.
> 
> Dave Lehnis.
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2023, at 7:39 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Just so you know, I am posting this to both lists.
>> 
>> So I keep running into all kinds of news articles on Chat GPT, a 
>> product from the Open A I project.
>> 
>> Has anyone downloaded the app from the App Store and, if so, are you 
>> finding it as amazing as some of the news reporters from USA Today and 
>> the Wallstreet Journal?
>> 
>> I went to the website at chat.openai.com to see what I could find.  I 
>> did not find much; I'll have to download the app to really check it out.
>> 
>> Oh, the article I read today, in the Apple News app talked about how 
>> Chat GPT planned the writer's vacation itinerary and did a pretty good 
>> job of it, apparently.
>> 
>> I look forward to reading your replies,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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RE: for accessible telegram app.

[leobado1982]

No fix for Telegram. For years, IOS users have repeatedly submitted feedback 
upon accessibility, without any real impact on the usability of the app. Come 
to your own conclusions, but to me, this is simply beyond any technological 
matter.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of alban 
hoxha
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2023 5:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: for accessible telegram app.

 

Hi all.

i use iphone11, and i have installed. ios16.5.1

voice over has not fool accessible telegram app.

how to solve this problem?

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RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[leobado1982]

I personally use  MP3 audiobook player pro, it not only allows for wi-fi 
transfer but also plays M4B audiobooks. You can read all the details in the 
description:

https://apps.apple.com/app/id889580711

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Hi Leo,

 

What apps allow for wi-fi transfer?

 

I have WaltrPro which allows this.  I don't recommend WaltrPro because the 
price is unreasonable now and they have never done a thing about accessibility. 
 I figured out how to use WaltrPro but it is tedious at best.

 

I know someone who transfers files to VDR through iTunes, but that is even more 
tedious in my opinion.

 

I'd be curious about other apps that allow for wi-fi transfer.

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
leobado1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Richard, you said:

I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see 
further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, and 
transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. These 
are characteristics that other similar apps  already have.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  If for 
the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion.

 

I've let the owners know that.

I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.

I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester for 
Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app at the 
one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per 
year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I very 
impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app.

 

Later,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to reviews 
they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, like just few 
days ago.

 

So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS app.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly.

 

However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream Reader 
for the Mac computers only.

 

Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold the 
company before he did that.

So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions.

 

So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have been the 
Mac version.  

 

At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong.

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

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mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that is in 
the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it was 
different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ price 
point (it could be that they are still experimenting 

RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[leobado1982]

Richard, you said:

I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I agree with you, but if the were to be the case, I would also like to see 
further improvements  in the app, such as the ability to play M4B books, and 
transferring books to the app via Web browser using a wifi connection. These 
are characteristics that other similar apps  already have.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

I just wonder if that price was for the Mac version or the iOS version.  If for 
the iOS version, that is too high in my opinion.

 

I've let the owners know that.

I personally feel that $59.99 per year would be reasonable.

I have used the app since at least version 2 and have been a beta tester for 
Winston Chen for at least 10 years and even though I purchased the app at the 
one time purchase deal, I would be fine if I had to start paying $59.99 per 
year.

I think it is by far the best reading app on the market today.

 

I am not impressed with Bookshare's new BookShare Reader app.  Nor am I very 
impressed with the DAISY Easy Reader app.

 

Later,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 9:49 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

At this point I am not sure to what you refer to, but if you refer to reviews 
they are on the iOS version of the app and they are very recent, like just few 
days ago.

 

So at least some people were asked to pay 100$/year recently in the iOS app.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Well, you are correct, of course.  At least, mostly.

 

However, the subscription started while Winston Chen owned Voice Dream Reader 
for the Mac computers only.

 

Winston was going to add the subscription to the iOS version, but he sold the 
company before he did that.

So, the Applause group implemented the subscription model for all versions.

 

So, if someone was asked to pay $100 last year, that would likely have been the 
Mac version.  

 

At least, that is what I understand and I could of course be wrong.

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com   
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Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 8:56 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

Looking at the web site it seems that I can read there what you sad that is in 
the App Store too. So probably a week or two ago when I checked it was 
different. It probably means that they have finally settled to that 80$ price 
point (it could be that they are still experimenting with non-US markets or 
that those markets will take more time to update the listings due to lower 
sales volume). You can read in the reviews that there are people in the US that 
were asked to pay 99$/year, so certainly that price was there very recently.

 

Anyway I did say that their most common price point was 80$ or 90$ (I wasn't 
sure which one as that was from my mind), so what you said isn't diametrically 
opposed to what I said.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 5:41:42 PM UTC+2 Ivan Icin wrote:

I think that I had that information from the website for the US App Store. 

In my country the pricing is in EUR, so I don’t think that I have looked there, 
currently there are 6 annual subscriptions with prices 45-130 EUR. 

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:55:31 PM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

I just checked in the app store and only found one price in the US: Annual 
Subscription$79.99.

Also listed are the various voices you can purchase at $4.99 each.

 

What country are you in?

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site:   https://www.turner42.com

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com   
mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 1:42 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

You have information on pricing in the 

RE: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

[leobado1982]

Hmm, I guess you always learn something new…

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ivan Icin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 2:42 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader and Family sharing

 

You have information on pricing in the App Store.  Currently they are 
experimenting with something like 5 price points. In general in such cases 
developers randomly assign those to users to see what price points brings the 
most money to them. As the App Store arranges those by the one that is 
currently most frequently used, I think that their most likely price is 
currently 80 or 90$/year. There is one higher price point than that and several 
lower

 

So at the moment the app doesn’t have a uniform price. But it seems that you 
are much more likely to be charged close to 100$/year than 50$/year, which is 
the overall range that they use. 

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:26:12 AM UTC+2 Richard Turner wrote:

Where did you get that price from?

That is much higher than had been announced.

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On Jun 22, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Ivan Icin mailto:labsii...@gmail.com> > wrote:



 

I had too many typos, so here is corrected version with few more words:

Voice Dream is now a free app, so from the aspect of Apple that acquired 
license is now worth 0$. Also take that free with a bit of grain as it now 
actually costs around 100$/year to be used, just it is free to download. If you 
already own the license in general you don’t need to pay the new price, but the 
system isn’t bulletproof as Apple doesn’t support such a transition and it it 
technically possible that some users might need to pay, though that should be a 
very tiny ratio. 

 

Other that that  when it was a paid app Family Sharing was meant only for 
in-app purchases, and this is Apple’s policy for all paid apps. 

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 8:45:39 PM UTC+2 Tim wrote:

That is a good question...:) 
I had the same issue. 
Tim 

On 6/22/23, leoba...@gmail.com   mailto:leoba...@gmail.com> > wrote: 
> Hello. Someone I know is having issues with Voice Dream Reader and family 
> sharing. This person bought VDR time ago when it was acquired through 
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> saying that it is not possible. Is anyone having this issue? 
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Hello. Someone I know is having issues with Voice Dream Reader and family
sharing. This person bought VDR time ago when it was acquired through
one-time payment. However, now he wants to share VDR but a message pops up
saying that it is not possible. Is anyone having this issue?

 

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[leobado1982]

Well, your messages are coming through…

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

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Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2023 11:11 AM
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I jjust think it's been super quiet. This list isn't what it used to be with 
100 or more messages a day, but then again maybe that is a good thing!

 

 

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Peyton
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Hi Carrie:

I’ve been having issues with spam mail from strange lists appear in my inbox 
lately.  I’ve attempted to put them in my unsafe senders list and wondered if 
our list disappeared down a rabbit hole.  If nothing comes through for a couple 
of days, I may need your info to resubscribe.  Let’s hope something comes 
through.  Thanks.

Louise  

 

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Snodgrass
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Hi, Louise,

Occasionally, there will be a day or two like this where I don’t receive any 
messages from the list. Either they will be backed up and dump all at once, or 
everybody is just not having any issues with their phones. Lol! I hope it’s the 
latter!

Carrie

Sent from my iPhone

 

On May 18, 2023, at 4:46 PM, Louise Peyton mailto:lp2...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hello:

Has anyone received messages in the past two days, or are they floating in 
cyberspace?  Can’t find any from this group in my spam folder.  Please advise.  
Thanks.  

Louise

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