RE: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

[realman02 via VIPhone]

the Logitech 380 is a good, small keyboard. Here is the Amazon link

 

 

Logitech K380 Multi-Device Bluetooth Keyboard - Windows, Mac, Chrome OS, 
Android, iPad, iPhone, Apple TV Compatible - with Flow Cross-Computer Control 

 

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All:

I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving. Merry 
Christmas to me! LOL.

I’m loving it.

Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone 
recommend a portable keyboard that I can use with my new iPad? Something I can 
carry for travel as well. 

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RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

[realman02 via VIPhone]

My point -- and then I'll let this go and not comment -- is that I do not want 
a machine large language model providing me with subjective opinions about 
people, their expressions, etc. I think that should be reserved for human to 
human interaction. Who knows if the description is accurate? Who knows what 
criteria the AI program used to generate its description? 
John Riehl

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 7:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

Only, that is not a complete description. Like it or not, all of us have facial 
expression, and that is a part of what we look like. Of course, expressions 
vary, but they are a part of a person's face. 

-Original Message-
From: realman02 via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 5:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

This is how I would rephrase the description:

>The man in the picture has a fair complexion. His hair is short and appears to 
>be a mix of gray and black, and he has a full head of hair. His eyes are 
>partially closed.
His nose is prominent and he has full lips. He is wearing a dark-colored polo 
shirt with a collar. The shirt has a small embroidery on the right side of his 
chest that reads "Samuel Smith" in a cursive font with gold thread. 

John 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

I agree with Sieghard. My guess, and this is only a guess is that the ones of 
us who have had some or full sight are more willing to hear what Be My A I 
might say about our expression. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

I would agree with Sieghard, but I suspect what Mary and others are getting at 
is not what they choose to use or not but what others are using and how that 
might affect how they interpret the world based on those AI generated 
descriptions. As Mary says though, anytime you're getting a description from 
another source, even if it's a sighted person, it isn't going to be free of 
interpretation.

Reminds me of a friend of mine in college who was helping me pick out a 
greeting card. She told me she would just describe the card to me and wouldn't 
be subjective at all. Later on she described a card as "yucky yellow." We had a 
good laugh over that, but I didn't get that card.

For those who don't want any kind of interpretation of a description coming 
from an AI, I wonder what they would consider an acceptable description. I'd 
find it interesting if someone took a response from Be My AI and then 
sterilized it into what they would find acceptable. I'm guessing that the more 
sterile descriptions wouldn't be nearly as popular and most people find the 
interpretation of the image as one of the more interesting parts of the 
description.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 10:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

Anybody who does not like or agree with some of the interpretations of the AI 
is free not to use the service.
Just as you may not appreciate it, I have so far felt that even descriptions 
which included descriptions of facial expressions were actually amazingly 
correct when I asked sighted people to tell me what they thought of the 
desdcription and whether they agtreed that the interpretation was good or not.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

I do not want to know what some artificial intelligence thinks somebody’s 
expression means. Cultural stuff hugely influences that sort of thing. And as a 
totally blind person from birth, I can’t tell you how many times people have 
asked me why are you angry? Because I’m not smiling. Apparently you’re supposed 
to go around smiling all the time especially if you’re a woman. So I don’t 
trust AI male centric and Eurocentric as it must obviously be, based on who is 
making these glorious language models and facial expression models etc.I don’t 
want it. I want human to human interaction, and never mind somebody else 
assuming they know what I’m thinking because of how my face looks. I sure don’t 
want to inflict that misunderstanding on somebody else.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2023, at 6:49 

RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

[realman02 via VIPhone]

This is how I would rephrase the description:

>The man in the picture has a fair complexion. His hair is short and appears to 
>be a mix of gray and black, and he has a full head of hair. His eyes are 
>partially closed.
His nose is prominent and he has full lips. He is wearing a dark-colored polo 
shirt with a collar. The shirt has a small embroidery on the right side of his 
chest that reads "Samuel Smith" in a cursive font with gold thread. 

John 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

I agree with Sieghard. My guess, and this is only a guess is that the ones of 
us who have had some or full sight are more willing to hear what Be My A I 
might say about our expression. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

I would agree with Sieghard, but I suspect what Mary and others are getting at 
is not what they choose to use or not but what others are using and how that 
might affect how they interpret the world based on those AI generated 
descriptions. As Mary says though, anytime you're getting a description from 
another source, even if it's a sighted person, it isn't going to be free of 
interpretation.

Reminds me of a friend of mine in college who was helping me pick out a 
greeting card. She told me she would just describe the card to me and wouldn't 
be subjective at all. Later on she described a card as "yucky yellow." We had a 
good laugh over that, but I didn't get that card.

For those who don't want any kind of interpretation of a description coming 
from an AI, I wonder what they would consider an acceptable description. I'd 
find it interesting if someone took a response from Be My AI and then 
sterilized it into what they would find acceptable. I'm guessing that the more 
sterile descriptions wouldn't be nearly as popular and most people find the 
interpretation of the image as one of the more interesting parts of the 
description.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 10:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

Anybody who does not like or agree with some of the interpretations of the AI 
is free not to use the service.
Just as you may not appreciate it, I have so far felt that even descriptions 
which included descriptions of facial expressions were actually amazingly 
correct when I asked sighted people to tell me what they thought of the 
desdcription and whether they agtreed that the interpretation was good or not.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

I do not want to know what some artificial intelligence thinks somebody’s 
expression means. Cultural stuff hugely influences that sort of thing. And as a 
totally blind person from birth, I can’t tell you how many times people have 
asked me why are you angry? Because I’m not smiling. Apparently you’re supposed 
to go around smiling all the time especially if you’re a woman. So I don’t 
trust AI male centric and Eurocentric as it must obviously be, based on who is 
making these glorious language models and facial expression models etc.I don’t 
want it. I want human to human interaction, and never mind somebody else 
assuming they know what I’m thinking because of how my face looks. I sure don’t 
want to inflict that misunderstanding on somebody else.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2023, at 6:49 PM, realman02 via VIPhone  
> wrote:
>
> Good points, Kelly. The reason it bothers me is that it's not human-to-human 
> interaction; it's a large language model that's making those judgements.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kellie
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 9:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
>
> I think the other thing that people need to keep in mind, it’s just because 
> an artificial intelligence says that’s your expression doesn’t mean you have 
> to believe it. You can ask follow-up questions The beauty is we have 
> deductive reasoning and can make that determination with further input. Also, 
> if you’re totally blind, every input of an expression is going to be through 
> hearsay whether it’s artificial intelligence or another human being. You’re 
> still going by their interpretation of the expression, not 

RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

[realman02 via VIPhone]

Good points, Kelly. The reason it bothers me is that it's not human-to-human 
interaction; it's a large language model that's making those judgements. 



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kellie
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 9:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

I think the other thing that people need to keep in mind, it’s just because an 
artificial intelligence says that’s your expression doesn’t mean you have to 
believe it. You can ask follow-up questions. The beauty is we have deductive 
reasoning and can make that determination with further input. Also, if you’re 
totally blind, every input of an expression is going to be through hearsay 
whether it’s artificial intelligence or another human being. You’re still going 
by their interpretation of the expression, not your own judgment. Every single 
thing that is described to us is through someone else’s eyes or interpretation 
of what they visually perceive it to be. That means, every description is 
suspect since no two people are going to take away the same thing. That’s why 
it doesn’t really bother me if the artificial intelligence Gives an answer that 
isn’t maybe how I’m feeling or etc. because I can use my reasoning to figure it 
out. 

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2023, at 7:26 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree with that. The Be my A I is just telling us what we'd see, if we 
> could - hairy arm; stern expression. I would want it to tell me what it sees.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 4:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> What is wrong with the truth?
> 
>- Original Message - 
>From: Cristóbal Muñoz   
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 2:09 PM
>Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> 
>This topic reminds me of these two articles.
> 
>Blind Olympic athletes show the universal nature of pride and shame 
> 
>  
> 
>The role of visual experience in the production of emotional facial 
> expressions by blind people: 
>  
> 
>Sometimes, BeMyEyes descriptions aren’t appreciated. The other day, I used 
> it to snap a photo of a bag of green coffee beans that I wanted to roast. I 
> held the bag of beans in my left hand and snapped the picture with my iPhone 
> in my right hand. BeMyEyes came back with a description of the type of bean, 
> region where they were grown, altitude and a whole bunch of other info I 
> wouldn’t gotten if I tried using SeeingAI. Cool cool… 
> 
>At the end of the very detailed description, BeMyEyes also wrote that the 
> bag was being held by someone with a harry arm. WTH! What’s up with the 
> editorializing? 
> 
> 
> 
>Cristóbal
> 
> 
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 12:31 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> 
> 
>What did your friend say about your expression? I assume it described you 
> as "serious" because you weren't smiling.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>-Original Message-
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 4:52 PM
> 
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> 
>Subject: Be My AI and what it may teach us?
> 
> 
> 
>Hello friends.
> 
> 
> 
>I appreciate that none of you know me personally and like me have no idea 
> what I look like.
> 
> 
> 
>However, at my request a friend of mine took a picture of me recently when 
> we were in what we call in the UK a pub.  I was very interested in the 
> results I obtained when asking Be My AI to describe the photo.  It’s 
> description was:
> 
> 
> 
>The man in the picture has a fair complexion and a sturdy build. His hair 
> is short and appears to be a mix of gray and black, and he has a full head of 
> hair. His eyes are partially closed, and he has a somewhat stern or serious 
> expression on his face. His nose is prominent and he has full lips. He is 
> clean-shaven.
> 
> 
> 
>He is wearing a dark-colored polo shirt with a collar. The shirt has a 
> small embroidery on the right side of his chest that reads "Samuel Smith" in 
> a cursive font with gold thread. The shirt appears to be of a 

RE: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

[realman02 via VIPhone]

This description is a great example of  what really disturbs me about these AI 
descriptions of images. 
"His eyes are partially closed, and he has a somewhat stern or serious 
expression on his face."

I'm not even mentioning the "appears to be of a comfortable fit " about the 
shirt. 
Chat GPT or Open AI or whatever are comparing the picture to images of 
thousands of other images it has in its data base and making a "judgement" 
based on that comparison. 
A machine, based on this comparison, is telling you have a stern or serious 
expression.   That's it. It in no way resembles a sighted person looking in a 
mirror. 
I wish with all my heart we could get Be My Eyes to ban these subjective 
so-called judgements. 

John Riehl
 
 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brandon 
Olivares
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2023 9:29 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Be My AI and what it may teach us?

That is really cool. Is there any way for me to get access to Be My AI or is it 
closed to beta users still? I’ve been wanting to try it.

> On Nov 12, 2023, at 7:52 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hello friends.
> 
> I appreciate that none of you know me personally and like me have no idea 
> what I look like.
> 
> However, at my request a friend of mine took a picture of me recently when we 
> were in what we call in the UK a pub.  I was very interested in the results I 
> obtained when asking Be My AI to describe the photo.  It’s description was:
> 
> The man in the picture has a fair complexion and a sturdy build. His hair is 
> short and appears to be a mix of gray and black, and he has a full head of 
> hair. His eyes are partially closed, and he has a somewhat stern or serious 
> expression on his face. His nose is prominent and he has full lips. He is 
> clean-shaven.
> 
> He is wearing a dark-colored polo shirt with a collar. The shirt has a small 
> embroidery on the right side of his chest that reads "Samuel Smith" in a 
> cursive font with gold thread. The shirt appears to be of a comfortable fit.
> 
> The lighting in the picture is focused on him, making him the central element 
> of the image. There is no additional information provided about the man, such 
> as his name or what he is doing in the pub.
> 
> 
> What interested me most is that this is the closest we can get to a sighted 
> person looking in a mirror.
> 
> The other thing that struck me was the description of my expression.  I had 
> never really thought about expressions but I suddenly thought are expressions 
> learned or natural.  How far do our expressions mirror those of sighted 
> people.  I didn’t feel serious at the time, and if Be My AI’s description of 
> my expression was accurate then why would I look serious?
> 
> Do our expressions really express our mood as sighted people’s do?
> 
> Not really an Apple question admittedly but an interesting subject.
> 
> Apologies in advance for the off-topic post but I would be most interested in 
> your opinions.
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
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RE: taking an app out of a created folder

[realman02 via VIPhone]

Here is how you take an app out of a folder on the iPhone. 

 

1.  Go into the folder with the apps.
2.  2. Find the app you want to move out of the folder.
3.  3. Double tap on the app and hold your finger on the app for five 
seconds.
4.   

While holding your finger down, Slide your finger to the left or right to move 
the app out of the folder .You'll hear VoiceOver say something like the app is 
outside of the folder.

5.  You may also hear VoiceOver say that you're moving from page to page. 
If you remove your finger you can then move the app wherever you want on your 
home screen. The app is now out of your folder. Thanks to Kathy Brandt for 
telling me how to do this. Way to go, Kathy!

John Riehl

 

 

6.   

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 9:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: taking an app out of a created folder

 

You have to take the one app out of the folder and it will disappear.

 

 

Richard, USA 

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(Sent from my iPhone)





On Nov 1, 2023, at 6:54 PM, Kathy Brandt mailto:katya20...@gmail.com> > wrote:



When I took an app out of a folder  that only had two apps, it still gave a  
folder name, saying that the folder  contained one app. Since I haven’t done 
this very often, I forget how I  eliminated the folder name; would  have to 
reconstruct. To get the app  out of the folder, I double tapped and  held on 
the app, and slid finger until I  got the message “outside of folder,  hold for 
five seconds to close”. From  there I did the newer procedure with going to 
edit then flicking up to drag  for dropping the app where I wanted .





On Nov 1, 2023, at 6:23 PM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

I didn’t test this all the way to the end since I didn’t want to actually move 
an app out of a folder, but try the following:

1.  Go into the folder
2.  Go into edit mode by flicking down on any icon in the folder and double 
tapping on edit
3.  Find the icon you want to move and flick down and double tap on drag
4.  Now close the folder (I do this by sliding up from the bottom of the 
screen to go back to the home page) and find where you want to drop the icon
5.  Flick down to drop before or after and double tap

The app should now be on the home page and not in the folder. If there were 
only two apps in the folder then the folder will disappear and the other app 
will also be on a home page.

 

--

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 3:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: taking an app out of a created folder

 

A few months ago, I tried moving an app and, despite my setting the app to drop 
after another app, good old IOS combined the two apps into one folder. Now I 
can’t figure out how to get the app out of that folder. When I go into edit, it 
asks if I want to move the app within the folder. How do I get the app out of 
the folder?

Thanks

John Riehl

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taking an app out of a created folder

[realman02 via VIPhone]

A few months ago, I tried moving an app and, despite my setting the app to drop 
after another app, good old IOS combined the two apps into one folder. Now I 
can’t figure out how to get the app out of that folder. When I go into edit, it 
asks if I want to move the app within the folder. How do I get the app out of 
the folder?

Thanks

John Riehl

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How do I lock the orientation of my Ipad?

[realman02 via VIPhone]

Somehow the orientation (portrait) of my Ipad got unlocked and shifts from 
Portrait to Landscape. I looked on google and saw info purportedly telling me 
how to fix this by going into Control Center and locking the orientation. I've 
gone into Control Center under Settings on both my Ipad and Iphone and I don't 
see any such setting to change. How do I lock my Ipad in portrait mode?
Thanks John


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Notifications are Useless -- or so it seems

[realman02 via VIPhone]

VO often tells me "you have xxx notifications" when I'm on the lock screen.
It will tell me where they are coming from - phone, Uber, etc, but doesn't
tell me what the actual notifications. Just now I double-tapped on a phone
notification and my phone called the number. This is useless information. Do
I have something set wrong, or is this really how things are supposed to
work? I have an iPhone 14 pro with the latest updates. 

Thanks John

 

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RE: Another example of Be My AI

[realman02 via VIPhone]

"serene outdoor setting?"  "majestic mountains"?

 
The rst of the descirption sounds ogod. 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 7:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Another example of Be My AI

That sounds like a description for a novel setting. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2023 3:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Another example of Be My AI

Here is one more example of a Be My AI description. I took the picture first 
with my Camera app as I wanted to send this to a few sighted friends and 
include the picture along with the description Be My AI provided so I took the 
picture, then tapped on "Share" and selected "Describe with Be My AI".

The picture is taken from our bedroom window through the window glass. What you 
see is our backyard which has some lawn as well as a few still smaller fruit 
trees on the right and on the left some raised garden beds where we grow stuff 
like beans, peas, herbs, cauliflower, broccoli, strawbeerries, onions, kolrabi 
and so on. Of course it is fall in northern BC so all of this is mostly done 
except that we still have some parsly, peppermint, jives and so on in one 
raised bed, but it's off the picture. We also have an 8 by 8 foot greenhouse 
for tomatos, cucumbers, early and late lettuce and some herbs like basil, 
rosemary and so on which in our climate do better there than outdoors. Anyways, 
here is the description:

 

The picture shows a serene outdoor setting. In the foreground, there is a lush 
green lawn with a few scattered leaves. On the right side are some small trees 
and on the left side, there is a small greenhouse with a glass structure and a 
wooden base. Next to the greenhouse, there is a raised wooden garden bed with 
some plants. A green hose is snaking across the lawn. 

In the middle ground, there is a wooden fence with a black tarp draped over 
part of it. Behind the fence, there is a large, freshly tilled field that 
appears to be ready for planting. 

In the background, there are tall trees with leaves in shades of gold and 
green, indicating that it might be autumn. Beyond the trees, there are a few 
houses and structures. In the far distance, there are majestic mountains 
partially obscured by clouds. The sky above is overcast.

 

One thing I would possibly question a little is the "lush" description in 
connection with our lawn. It is relatively green, but we had a super dry summer 
and due to water restrictions were not allowed to water the lawn so while now 
we have more moisture at night due to humidity and temperatures in the mid 
30's, it's green, but I wouldn't call it "lush".

The description of the greenhouse is spot on, it is probably 50 feet away and 
the "wpooden base" did surprise me, but it is indeed built on 16-inch tall and 
6 inch wide fir timbers which I did to make it not so low. What the description 
didn't get is that it is sitting on a concrete pad.

The fence description is also correct, in fact I took one other picture before 
this one and in that it even said that the fence appears to be new which is not 
incorrect since it's made from cedar and I build it just last fall so the wood 
still looks fairly fresh.

The bit about the tarp is also right on. I am still working on building a 
double gate for the 10 foot opening in the fence and for now I put a long board 
across the two posts and hung a tarp over that because behind our property is 
an approx. 3 or 4 acre open field which belongs to a school just a few houses 
down from us and they are currently in the process of establishing a soccre 
field and green area around that.

Because of that large open space and the fact that due to the drought there are 
hardly any berries in the mountains, we have a lot of black bears in town this 
fall and while we just picked the rest of our apples yesterday, I don't want 
them in the yard if possible. The tarp russles and crackles a bit when it's 
windy which seems to work quite well to keep them out. Just in the past 3 days 
our Ring doorbell camera captured one nice black bear walking across our 
driveway in front of the house and a couple days earlier a Mama Bear with 3 
babies in toe walked by around 3 during the night.

Anyways, the rest of the description is also correct, around that field in the 
back ar tall poppler trees which are turning yellow now and you can see some 
houses a couple of hundred metres away and then looking further across the 
valley Hudson Bay Mountain which is a little over 8000 feet tall rises up and 
by now it's got a bit of fresh snow on the top, but Be My AI didn't pick that 
up because it may very well be obscured by the clouds today. There is probably 
also some smoke from a nearby forest fire because it definitely smells smoky 
out today.

 

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RE: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

[realman02 via VIPhone]

I agree with not getting an SE. If you get a later model it will be supported 
longer by apple. You'r einvesting in a phone that should last you seveal years. 
 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Blackburn
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments

For how much longer will this model be supported?

Kathy Blackburn
kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Sep 24, 2023 12:58 PM, Fred Olver 
 wrote:
>
> Terri, Since I don't feel it necessary to have the latest and greatest, 
> please try and understand my bias. My personal choice would be for you to 
> invest in the second generation IPhone S.E. The cost is substantially less 
> than any of the more modern phones and you would not be sacrificing very 
> much in terms of optical recognition. Also, you would be able to continue to 
> use your various charging devices and chords because the S.E. has the 
> lightning port. 
> Fred Olver - Original Message - 
> From: "Terri Stimmel"  
> To:  
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 12:23 PM 
> Subject: Just a few upgrade questions, and other comments 
>
>
> > Hello everyone, 
> > 
> > 
> > First of all, I have really appreciated reading the thoughts, and opinions 
> > on the new phones. As well as peoples experiences with them, in the 
> > stores. I always find this sort of stuff helpful. 
> > 
> > 
> > I am considering upgrading my phone. At first, I wasn't going to do it. I 
> > love my 12 mini. It's smaller, and pretty easy for me to hold. It still 
> > works quite well, and I really don't have any issues with it. 
> > 
> > 
> > However, I get my phone service with T-Mobile. If I were to upgrade now, 
> > it would be better for me, then if I were to wait another year or so. 
> > Right now, I can trade in this phone, and it will help go toward the cost 
> > of my next phone. I really don't want to have to trade in this phone. But 
> > this is the way I have to go about these sorts of things, if I ever want 
> > to upgrade. 
> > 
> > 
> > My battery in my phone is degrading. I actually have a service message on 
> > it, that states that I need to replace the battery. So I could do that, 
> > and use this phone for longer. But a part of me thinks that it is just 
> > better to go ahead and do the upgrade instead. 
> > 
> > 
> > I would be interested to hear what people think about this. I know some of 
> > this will be opinion. That is fine by me. 
> > 
> > However, some of you on this list know way much more about these sorts of 
> > things than I do. That is something I have really come to appreciate over 
> > the years. It is a big part as to why I remain a part of this list. 
> > 
> > 
> > I plan to go to my local store within the next week, or so. I want to hold 
> > the 15 plus, and the 15 pro. I want to explore them, and see which one I 
> > might be most comfortable with. 
> > 
> > 
> > I was also considering checking out the 14 pro. Just so that I would know 
> > all of my options. I am not interested in the pro, max phones. That would 
> > just be too large of a device for me. 
> > 
> > 
> > I really like the idea of having a phone that uses USB C charging. 
> > 
> > However, what sorts of charging blocks might I need? 
> > 
> > 
> > I am not sure if I have what I need, to support that type of charging. I 
> > know I at least have one. I usually try to buy dual charging blocks, 
> > because I have so many devices, that this just works better for me. Or, I 
> > have friends that come over, who need to charge their stuff. 
> > 
> > 
> > I am really looking forward to possibly getting a pro, just for the 
> > camera. I never in my life thought that i would want a phone, for it's 
> > camera. 
> > 
> > 
> > However, the new feature with Be My Eyes, has been a game changer for me. 
> > I use it quite regularly. At least, once a day. Usually a lot more than 
> > that though. I am still not always the best at taking a picture. I hope 
> > that this might improve in time. I just don't always understand how, or 
> > where to aim the camera. 
> > 
> > 
> > Are the cameras really all that different from the 12 Mini I have now, to 
> > the 14 pro, or the 15 pro? 
> > 
> > 
> > I really want to make the best choice possible for myself. But of course, 
> > I won't know really what to expect, until I go to the store. 
> > 
> > 
> > What do you all think? 
> > 
> > Any thoughts, or suggestions are much appreciated. 
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you, 
> > 
> > 
> > Terri 
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RE: Question about when I upgrade

[realman02 via VIPhone]

My suggestion is to get rid of the apps you no longer want or need, download 
the apps you want, do a backup of  your old phone and then upgrade using what's 
backed up. Ideally doing an encrypted backup using Itunes lets you move more 
things like passwords, etc, to your new device. 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 1:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about when I upgrade

This is just my opinion, but I think it's always best to start from scratch 
This way you don't propagate those mistakes you made on your previous device. 
That being said, I always bring everything forward in iCloud. I'm just too lazy 
to go through all of those settings I've tweaked. Note on Windows, I do always 
start from scratch.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
Cramer
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2023 11:51 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Question about when I upgrade

Hi,
Does anyone have thoughts on what is best when upgrading, whether one should 
start fresh with the phone or whether one should always get what was saved from 
iCloud. I'll be upgrading from the 12 basic to the
15 pro, and I noticed that when I upgraded from the XR to the 12, I simply got 
what was saved on iCloud. It was the same settings and same layout as before, 
and somewhere along that time I got apps that weren't being used anymore or 
that I had downloaded and didn't need. I guess the question is whether I should 
start from scratch on this new phone and download the apps I want or whether I 
should get what I want from icloud and keep everything I've had for years in 
the way of older apps and layout and such.
Tom

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RE: Be my eyes new service

[realman02 via VIPhone]

The problem is that a non-human thing, Open AI, is making subjective judgments 
about people and objects in pictures and there's no way to query the AI why it 
came up with that judgement. Plus I want to make my won judgements and don't 
want to be influenced by a machine. All I'm saying is that we need to think 
carefully whether we really want Be My Eyes to be giving us these judgments or 
having them reserved for human interactions.
I realize this is veering off topic so won't be replying anymore. 
Happy listing!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 9:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be my eyes new service

I don't see the problem.

On 9/21/23, realman02 via VIPhone  wrote:
> to you, she is, appropriately, loveable. But to Open AI?
>
> Really think about whether you want Be My Eyes to be giving value judgments
> and subjective judgments to its descriptions.
>
>
>
> John
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Kellie
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 7:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be my eyes new service
>
>
>
> I guess to each their own. I find nothing wrong with the descriptions. I
> have the intellect to know that it is simply artificial intelligence and I
> can make up my own mind if it really means they’re happy or sad, etc. I am
> very happy with the fact that I’m getting detailed descriptions, and it
> makes me feel like I can see again. But I understand that everybody
> approaches us differently.
>
> Kellie and my lovable Lady J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2023, at 6:23 PM, realman02 via VIPhone  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
> I am disturbe dby this description. I don’t want an AI tleling me something
> is “adorable” or “ugly” or “horrible” or any subjective description.
>
> Also. “Soulful, curious, etc” are extremely troubling. This is how I want my
> AI to handle descriptions of people, animals and things:
>
>
>
>
>
> The picture shows two dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark gray tiles
> and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the left, there is a
> black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has brown eyes and is wearing a collar
> with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd puppy. It has a black
> coat with tan markings on its legs and face. The puppy has bright eyes and
> floppy ears. It is also wearing a collar with a tag. They are sitting next
> to each other and seem to be in a kitchen, as there is a glimpse of a
> cabinet and an oven in the background
>
> Thanks  John Riehl
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroupscom  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alison May
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 6:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Be my eyes new service
>
>
>
> I asked if this app could also describe photos on my iPhone and followed the
> directions given. I am absolutely amazed. Below is a description of the day.
> My current guide dog met his puppy raiser and her new pup. The details
> really bring the picture alive.
>
>
>
> The picture shows two adorable dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark
> gray tiles and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the left,
> there is a black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has soulful brown eyes and
> is wearing a collar with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd
> puppy. It has a black coat with tan markings on its legs and face. The puppy
> has bright, curious eyes and floppy ears. It is also wearing a collar with a
> tag. They are sitting next to each other and seem to be in a kitchen, as
> there is a glimpse of a cabinet and an oven in the background
>
> Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
>
> 0777 315 8181
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 21 Sep 2023, at 10:17 pm, Feliciano Godoy  <mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi,
>
> The email is actually accessibil...@apple.com
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>
> Considering the matter, I believe you're better off Colleen Apple.
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RE: Be my eyes new service

[realman02 via VIPhone]

to you, she is, appropriately, loveable. But to Open AI?

Really think about whether you want Be My Eyes to be giving value judgments and 
subjective judgments to its descriptions.  

 

John 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kellie
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 7:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be my eyes new service

 

I guess to each their own. I find nothing wrong with the descriptions. I have 
the intellect to know that it is simply artificial intelligence and I can make 
up my own mind if it really means they’re happy or sad, etc. I am very happy 
with the fact that I’m getting detailed descriptions, and it makes me feel like 
I can see again. But I understand that everybody approaches us differently.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 21, 2023, at 6:23 PM, realman02 via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:



I am disturbe dby this description. I don’t want an AI tleling me something is 
“adorable” or “ugly” or “horrible” or any subjective description.

Also. “Soulful, curious, etc” are extremely troubling. This is how I want my AI 
to handle descriptions of people, animals and things:

 

 

The picture shows two dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark gray tiles 
and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the left, there is a 
black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has brown eyes and is wearing a collar 
with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd puppy. It has a black coat 
with tan markings on its legs and face. The puppy has bright eyes and floppy 
ears. It is also wearing a collar with a tag. They are sitting next to each 
other and seem to be in a kitchen, as there is a glimpse of a cabinet and an 
oven in the background

Thanks  John Riehl

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroupscom mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alison May
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 6:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Be my eyes new service

 

I asked if this app could also describe photos on my iPhone and followed the 
directions given. I am absolutely amazed. Below is a description of the day. My 
current guide dog met his puppy raiser and her new pup. The details really 
bring the picture alive.

 

The picture shows two adorable dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark gray 
tiles and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the left, there 
is a black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has soulful brown eyes and is wearing 
a collar with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd puppy. It has a 
black coat with tan markings on its legs and face. The puppy has bright, 
curious eyes and floppy ears. It is also wearing a collar with a tag. They are 
sitting next to each other and seem to be in a kitchen, as there is a glimpse 
of a cabinet and an oven in the background

Sent from my iPhone by Alison may

0777 315 8181






On 21 Sep 2023, at 10:17 pm, Feliciano Godoy mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

The email is actually accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> 

 

Considering the matter, I believe you're better off Colleen Apple.

Feliciano 

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On Sep 21, 2023, at 1:31 PM, Paula Pinder mailto:pinder.pa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I'vbe tried all that. I've written to disabil...@apple.com 
<mailto:disabil...@apple.com>  so hopefully they will reply. Thanks for your 
suggestions.

 

Best wishes

 

Paula

 

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From: Paula Pinder mailto:pinder.pa...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 2:29:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE 

 

Thanks all for your messages.

 

I can't go back to IOS as my iPhone has stopped talking and I have tried 
everything everyone suggested.

 

Best wishes

 

Paula

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > on behalf of 
Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 2:23:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: RE: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE 

 

First this isn’t an android list.Second I would just switch

RE: Be my eyes new service

[realman02 via VIPhone]

I am disturbe dby this description. I don’t want an AI tleling me something is 
“adorable” or “ugly” or “horrible” or any subjective description.

Also. “Soulful, curious, etc” are extremely troubling. This is how I want my AI 
to handle descriptions of people, animals and things:

 

 

The picture shows two dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark gray tiles 
and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the left, there is a 
black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has brown eyes and is wearing a collar 
with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd puppy. It has a black coat 
with tan markings on its legs and face. The puppy has bright eyes and floppy 
ears. It is also wearing a collar with a tag. They are sitting next to each 
other and seem to be in a kitchen, as there is a glimpse of a cabinet and an 
oven in the background

Thanks  John Riehl

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alison 
May
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 6:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Be my eyes new service

 

I asked if this app could also describe photos on my iPhone and followed the 
directions given. I am absolutely amazed. Below is a description of the day. My 
current guide dog met his puppy raiser and her new pup. The details really 
bring the picture alive.

 

The picture shows two adorable dogs sitting on a floor. The floor has dark gray 
tiles and there is a beige rug where the dogs are sitting. On the left, there 
is a black Labrador with a shiny coat. It has soulful brown eyes and is wearing 
a collar with a tag. On the right, there is a German Shepherd puppy. It has a 
black coat with tan markings on its legs and face. The puppy has bright, 
curious eyes and floppy ears. It is also wearing a collar with a tag. They are 
sitting next to each other and seem to be in a kitchen, as there is a glimpse 
of a cabinet and an oven in the background

Sent from my iPhone by Alison may

0777 315 8181





On 21 Sep 2023, at 10:17 pm, Feliciano Godoy mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

The email is actually accessibil...@apple.com  

 

Considering the matter, I believe you're better off Colleen Apple.

Feliciano 

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On Sep 21, 2023, at 1:31 PM, Paula Pinder mailto:pinder.pa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I'vbe tried all that. I've written to disabil...@apple.com 
  so hopefully they will reply. Thanks for your 
suggestions.

 

Best wishes

 

Paula

 

Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2
Sent from Outlook for Android  

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From: Paula Pinder mailto:pinder.pa...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 2:29:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE 

 

Thanks all for your messages.

 

I can't go back to IOS as my iPhone has stopped talking and I have tried 
everything everyone suggested.

 

Best wishes

 

Paula

 

Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2
Sent from Outlook for Android  

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > on behalf of 
Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 2:23:17 PM
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: RE: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE 

 

First this isn’t an android list.Second I would just switch back to iOS.  
You wouldn’t have this problem on iOS.  You can attempt contacting Google 
accessibility but if you have the experience Jonathan Mosen and others who 
called his show have had good luck.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Paula Pinder
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

 

Hi All

 

I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It plays 
the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android Samsung S10 
phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I could on the Iphone? 
Does anyone have any suggestions? 

Thanks a lot.

 

Best wishes

 

Paula

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RE: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

[realman02 via VIPhone]

I'm not seeing that under accessibility. Where is it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 4:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

I was having a lot of trouble double tapping under iOS 17 until I adjusted the 
double tap delay under accessibility from 0.25 to 0.30. Now double tapping is 
working as before for me. It may be worth trying. 

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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> On Sep 20, 2023, at 12:01 PM, Lisa Belville  
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> double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu and allow the 
> tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on three separate books 
> and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed button, though I'm able to 
> adjust the speed in the usual way.
> 
> 
> Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings tab, 
> then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
> 
> 
> I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete and 
> reinstall the BARD app.
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> Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?
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RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

[realman02 via VIPhone]

It does do a fair job with door detection and has possibilities, so you are 
making a long-term investment. 

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Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an upgrade 
this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s worth it to 
go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around it when it 
came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us in particular 
as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except for the 
purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
photography interests me not one wit.
Mary


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RE: Be my AI and pictures?

[realman02 via VIPhone]

Depending on when this starte dhappening, Microsoft changed how Chat GPT 
interacts with users and took out its face recognition feature. So this may be 
something that be my eyes may not have control of. I think letting them know 
how important a feature this is is a good idea!!


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be my AI and pictures?

I’m getting the same thing and will report that to the support team.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2023, at 7:50 AM, 'Jerry Mader' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> sorry guys. I was dictating boring is supposed to be bummed lol. Let me 
> rewrite this email address for you because it didn't show up properly the 
> last time. Here is the email address again to write into.
> supp...@bemyeyes.com
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Jerry Mader  wrote:
>> 
>> I know it's kind of like taking away our site and then giving it back again 
>> and then taking it back away I don't blame you for being bummed because I 
>> think a lot of people are born. You guys should all write into support it be 
>> my eyes.com and let them know that you're angry about this but you want to 
>> think maybe they'll listen to you and fix it maybe they won't but at least 
>> you're letting them know. All reports work well. Always sending this much 
>> feedback as you can. A lot of people are angry with these people they really 
>> hurt people by doing that. Think about how I feel though. My mother just 
>> recently passed away and I can't even look at photos of what you look like 
>> now because they have removed the ability for us to see faces. This is very 
>> very sad. We should all be out raged because this is not the way that an AI 
>> should be for blind people it's very disrespectful and discriminatory. 
>> Best regards.
>> Jerry Mader
>> 
 On Sep 16, 2023, at 10:42 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone! I'm so bummed! Be my AI was doing so amazingly well in 
>>> describing pictures... and now all of a sudden I'm getting a message saying 
>>> that the picture has text that says: Be My AI: The image you provided is a 
>>> placeholder image with text that reads "This image was blocked because it 
>>> may contain faces or people." The text is centered and the background is 
>>> light grey.
>>> This is not true. Seeing AI described the pic but not in as much detail as 
>>> be my AI did. I know this is a beta but wondering why all of a sudden it 
>>> started doing this? 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Be My Eyes AI

[realman02 via VIPhone]

I've written a suggestion back to Be My eyes at  i...@bemyeyes.com and given 
them a few suggestions, one of them being a Save feature to allow one to save 
descirptions for later playback.
Recommend that everyone who has access send suggestions to be my eyes.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Lange
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My Eyes AI

Hi,
I’ve had very good luck with Being Eyes AI; it gives me great descriptions of 
what the camera is seeing, but I’m somewhat mystified, as I am having problems 
copying the descriptions to the clipboard so that I can put them into Notes or, 
as you did, copy and paste them into an e-mail. Can you give me the exact 
step-by-step directions on how to copy the descriptions?  Be My Eyes should add 
a way to add that to the Share Sheet. 

> On Sep 14, 2023, at 2:59 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> Star Gazer,
> 
> Someone posted an email address earlier in the thread where you can request 
> access. I already had the Be my eyes app on my iPhone and there was a button 
> on its home screen to execute for those wishing to get into the Be my AI 
> program. It only took a few days and I received an email with my invitation. 
> Of course, I already had a Be my eyes account and the app before doing this. 
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2023, at 4:31 PM, Star Gazer  wrote:
>> 
>> Where do I get this? 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Peter Logan
>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 5:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Be My Eyes AI
>> 
>> I am super amazed at how well it works ..  I've used it for a ton of things 
>> .. went back through a bunch of photos on my phone .. and was amazed at how 
>> well it did.  They have done a great job on this!
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Robert Doc Wright
>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 4:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Be My Eyes AI
>> 
>> I have used it to go through groceries that just came in;.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Richard Turner" 
>> To: "ViPone list" 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 11:10 AM
>> Subject: Be My Eyes AI
>> 
>> 
>> Here is an example of the Be My Eyes AI description of a t-shirt that 
>> I have. I'll be using this app for clothing from now on.
>> 
>> T-shirt was just laying across my lap. So I didn't get a full view.
>> The picture shows a turquoise fabric, possibly a piece of clothing, 
>> with a colorful design on it. The design includes a yellow surfboard 
>> with the words "Hard Dock CAFE" written in red. The surfboard is 
>> adorned with flowers in various colors such as pink, red, purple, and 
>> yellow. There is also a white rope-like design that circles around 
>> the surfboard. Below the surfboard, there are words that are 
>> partially visible, which seem to say "Jones Valley Resort Shasta Lake".
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
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>> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
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RE: Be My Eyes AI

[realman02 via VIPhone]

Good luck!
It is amazing. 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My Eyes AI

Thanks a lot, John. I just wrote to them. My newest phone is an iPhone XR. The 
other one is even older than your eight, it’s a 7+.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2023, at 12:59 PM, realman02 via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Mary. I've used the Be My Eyes Be My AI feature for about a week 
> on two iPhones -- the Iphone 8 and 14-Pro. No difference in quality as 
> far as I can tell
> 
> It's done an incredible job on some stuff and an "okay" job on other stuff; 
> it's a fantastic tool. 
> If you want to get your name on the list of folks for early access, write to 
> i...@bemyeyes.com . 
> 
> John Riehl
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 3:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Be My Eyes AI
> 
> Hey richard,
> What model of iPhone are you using? Do you have LiDAR, and if so do you think 
> it helped? I haven’t really been paying any attention to this AI InVision 
> thing. But that description was pretty darn impressive.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2023, at 10:11 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here is an example of the Be My Eyes AI description of a t-shirt that I 
>> have. I'll be using this app for clothing from now on.
>> 
>> T-shirt was just laying across my lap. So I didn't get a full view.
>> The picture shows a turquoise fabric, possibly a piece of clothing, with a 
>> colorful design on it. The design includes a yellow surfboard with the words 
>> "Hard Dock CAFE" written in red. The surfboard is adorned with flowers in 
>> various colors such as pink, red, purple, and yellow. There is also a white 
>> rope-like design that circles around the surfboard. Below the surfboard, 
>> there are words that are partially visible, which seem to say "Jones Valley 
>> Resort Shasta Lake".
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> ——
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
>> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
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RE: Be My Eyes AI

[realman02 via VIPhone]

Hi, Mary. I've used the Be My Eyes Be My AI feature for about a week on two 
iPhones -- the Iphone 8 and 14-Pro. No difference in quality as far as I can 
tell

It's done an incredible job on some stuff and an "okay" job on other stuff; 
it's a fantastic tool. 
If you want to get your name on the list of folks for early access, write to 
i...@bemyeyes.com . 

John Riehl

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Otten
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 3:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Be My Eyes AI

Hey richard,
What model of iPhone are you using? Do you have LiDAR, and if so do you think 
it helped? I haven’t really been paying any attention to this AI InVision 
thing. But that description was pretty darn impressive.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2023, at 10:11 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Here is an example of the Be My Eyes AI description of a t-shirt that I 
> have. I'll be using this app for clothing from now on.
> 
> T-shirt was just laying across my lap. So I didn't get a full view.
> The picture shows a turquoise fabric, possibly a piece of clothing, with a 
> colorful design on it. The design includes a yellow surfboard with the words 
> "Hard Dock CAFE" written in red. The surfboard is adorned with flowers in 
> various colors such as pink, red, purple, and yellow. There is also a white 
> rope-like design that circles around the surfboard. Below the surfboard, 
> there are words that are partially visible, which seem to say "Jones Valley 
> Resort Shasta Lake".
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
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How do I copy and paste a link

[realman02 via VIPhone]

Hi. I need to copy a link from an email and paste it into a podcast app to 
regain my subscription to a podcast. I did it once but have forgotten how to do 
that. How do I copy a link form an email and paste it into a podcast app 
(overcast)?

Thanks. John Riehl 

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RE: things to turn off to save battery

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I thought that if you set brightness to 0 it would completely dim the screen. 

 

 

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Doc Wright
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: things to turn off to save battery

 

Number one, brightness unless you need it.

- Original Message - 

From: Dennis Long   

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Subject: things to turn off to save battery

 

What would people recommend to turn off to save on battery?  Thanks.

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RE: To swim with apple watch or not? That is the question

[realman02 via VIPhone]

As long a you put Water Lock  on you should have no problem. I think Water Lock 
goes on automatically when you select Swimming as your workout, or you can do 
it in the Control Center on the watch. 


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Subject: To swim with apple watch or not? That is the question

Hi all 

Own an apple watch SE 5th generation. 

Think I already know the answer but has anyone done a swimming workout with 
your apple watch and bricked the device?

My workout Routine if a, 50 meters outdoor pool and the session lasts for 1 
hour. 

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RE: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

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I am having this problem as well. Thanks for asking!

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sandra 
Finley
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 7:01 AM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: A Proglem Unique to Blind People

 

I hate to admit this, but if I can’t ask fellow blind folks, then what is the 
point of a list like this? I have never mastered the use of facial recognition. 
I was able to follow the directions given to set up face ID fine. The problem I 
continue to have  is how to hold my phone up to my face  so that my fade is 
recognized. Several months ato I just stopped trying and have been using my 
password  instead, but I am  now determined to figure this out.  How did some 
of you  learn how to do this?

 

Sandy  Finley 

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RE: Setting your Siri input language to something other than English on just one device

[realman02 via VIPhone]

It seems rediculous that you can't set this for jus tone device. 


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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2023 4:06 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Setting your Siri input language to something other than English on 
just one device

I have been googling to see if this was possible. The impression I have is that 
it was possible at one time, way back in iOS 10 maybe. But it isn’t now. That 
has certainly been my experience, as I have really wanted to set the input 
language to Russian on my phone but leave it in English everywhere else. I have 
a good reason for that, but it’s apparently not possible, unless I’m missing 
something. I would really like to make this happen. I It helps when you’re 
working with native Russiannative Russian speakers and your spoken Russian 
isn’t what it used to be. 

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RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?

[realman02 via VIPhone]

Voice dream reader did a recent update so they probably fixed the  issue with 
non-VO voices not working when Synch was enabled. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 2:35 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: IOS 17, is it worth it?

 

Hello,

 

Yes, Voice Dream Reader is working fine here too.

 

Best,

Anna

 





On Jul 15, 2023, at 1:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

If you refer to Voice Dream Reader which I assume you are after your dogged 
campaign to try and convince people your app is vbetter then I can report that 
after upgrading to iOS 17 public beta yesterday I just tried it and the app 
opened without crashing. I didn't do a lot in it, but I did have an audio book 
loaded and started playing it, skipped forward and backward a bit and all was 
working normally.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan 
Icin
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 5:51 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: IOS 17, is it worth it?

 

There are several features that might be of interest of VoiceOver users.

 

You can set sentence pause and pitch for each voice.

 

There is the option to read aloud the web page from Safari. 

 

One popular accessibility app is crashing on start, but people don't like when 
I mention it so you will have to hear which one it is from someone else. But as 
far as I remember it was crashing on each beta thus far so nothing unexpected, 
just it might be important if you want to use it as the daily driver. I haven't 
seen any other app to crash thus far.

 

Certainly you can't expect beta to be bug free and it may get worse on your 
device, but this beta is fairly close to being daily driver unlike for example 
iOS 16 early betas. This is very close to the iOS 16 launch quality level 
(which was very bad for the official version).

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:47:59 PM UTC+2 Peter Logan wrote:

To expound upon this some, the drag and drop issue still exists with the 3rd. 
developer beta.  Also there are some things with Siri cutting off and not 
completing things.  I’ve also had issues with alarms and such being silent even 
though volume is up and the mute switch is o not on.  Also, I agree .. that as 
with most of the betas the battery life is poor.

 

If it’s your main device, I would be careful about moving to it, cause one you 
do .. you can’t go back ..

 

 

 

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com  
http://googlegroups.com/> > On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:55 AM
To: vip...@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?

 

One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any 
early public beta on your primary phone that  you have to be willing to expect 
problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps 
you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in 
iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly 
something I have read about in connection with iOS 17.

Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very 
sluggish.

Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to 
Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if  you feel it 
concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to 
let them know.

One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently 
does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and 
may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release 
although once again, it may not be an issue for all users.

 

From: vip...@googlegroups.com  
http://googlegroups.com/> > On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM
To: 'cwc' via VIPhone http://googlegroups.com/> >
Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it?

 

Hi all,

 

I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now.  She 
obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17.  I am just 
wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users.  I haven't used betas 
in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round.

 

Have any of you tried it yet?  Is there anything in 17 worth our serious 
consideration?

 

Thanks.

 

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RE: accessible air fryer

[realman02 via VIPhone]

I have an air fryer that is totally inaccessible and required extensive 
labeling. Once I labeled the flat top panel with dots and Braille labels, it 
works great. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julie 
Dawson
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 9:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible air fryer

 

Can you use it without the app? I have a friend who has no A-lady who has some 
vision. Does the fryer have a touch screen or knobs/buttons?

Thank you.

- Original Message - 

From: mi...@eastlink.ca   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:59 AM

Subject: RE: accessible air fryer

 

Hi the Casori air fryer is accessible and the app you need is VesYnc it works 
with Voice Over and I used it all the time before the fryer was recalld and I 
am wateing for a new one. From Mich btw the app also works with google home and 
I think alexa but I don’t have a alexa. From Mich.

 

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Dennis Long
Sent: July 14, 2023 8:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: accessible air fryer

 

Hi, is there air fryers that are accessible that allow you to use an app to 
control them? Has anyone done a demo on them?  Yes I would want it accessible 
with voiceover.

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RE: T-Mobile billing

[realman02 via VIPhone]

Too bad you can’t sue them since you signed up thinking you’d be getting the 
discount. 

 

Breach of contract?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 5:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: T-Mobile billing

 

I haven’t gotten the message yet, but I expect to. Last week sometime I saw an 
article in one of the tech publications talking about how T-Mobile was going to 
do this. Given the number of security issues that they have had, I personally 
do not intend to give them my bank account number. It’s almost enough to make 
me switch carriers. But I’ll keep it. It’s going to be a pain paying each month 
instead of having it automatically dealt with. But there’s no way I’m giving 
them my checking account number. If somebody gets in there, you have no 
guarantees at all. If something happens on a credit card You’re covered. And if 
you have an Apple Card, they don’t get any information that’s useful anyway. I 
don’t care about the five dollar discount. I care more about the inconvenience 
of having to get online to pay it every month. Plus it’s bad faith. T-Mobile 
has just had too many security issues.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 6, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Vicki W. mailto:vwher...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I got a notice today from my T-Mobile service that beginning on August 7, I 
will lose my monthly discount unless I switch from auto pay on my credit card 
to auto pay using my bank account or debit card. Has anyone else received a 
similar text message?

 

Of course there was a link which I ignored and I will go to my account and 
check in the next few days. I was just wondering if anyone else got that 
message.

 

Vicki

 

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RE: Looking for a Bluetooth, keyboard case recommendation for latest generation of iPad

[realman02 via VIPhone]

Try the Logitech k811. You can use it with multiple devices; the internal 
battery lasts a long time -- you recharge it with USB and you don't need to 
physically connect it  to the Ipad. 

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MacDonald
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 5:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a Bluetooth, keyboard case recommendation for latest 
generation of iPad

hi,

take a look at the Zag Folio keyboard case. it is great, with the iPad 
orientated like a computer screen, at the top, and keyboard at the bottom. the 
battery last for about  three months, and it charged via micro USB. to charge 
the case, the keyboard must be removed, but that is a sympol and 
straightforward process.
regards,
Daniel


> On May 28, 2023, at 5:06 PM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> My subject pretty much says it all. I am in need of some recommendations for 
> a Bluetooth, keyboard case, for the latest generation of iPad.
> 
> I received an iPad, and I am wanting to get a really good case for it. But I 
> would like to have one that is a keyboard as well. If this is even possible. 
> I have been trying to research what is out there. I see that there are some 
> Apple cases, that are also keyboards. But I want to make sure I get something 
> that's going to be accessible as well.
> 
> Any thoughts, or advice is much appreciated.  This is the regular iPad. I 
> hope that helps. I'm not quite sure how to classify that. But it's not the 
> pro, or the mini. So I figured that made the best sense.
> 
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> 
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RE: Has any one noticed since thislast ios update at randum times voice over goes silent

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Yes I have noticed that. Not sure if it started after the latest update. 

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Subject: Has any one noticed since thislast ios update at randum times voice 
over goes silent

Has any one noticed since this last update voice over goes silent. On my i pad 
air third generation it does that i hear the voice over sounds but every itime 
i have to restart voice over

Adrians ipad

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RE: Playing Apple classical music over my sonos speakers

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Thanks. 

 

 

From: 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone  
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 6:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Playing Apple classical music over my sonos speakers

 

According to someone, I spoke to at Sonos, they are working on support between 
Apple, classical music, and Sonos. However, it is not there yet. I also spoke 
to someone with Apple about support on Sonos, as well as the Mac and got a 
similar answer. And he said they have no plans to take it to the Mac with an 
apple.





On Apr 17, 2023, at 4:11 AM, realman02 via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:



Hi. I just bought a Sonos Era-300 and am anxious to hear spatial audio over my 
Era-300. I tried accessing the new apple Classical music app. I can get into it 
through Music, then go to apple Classical, but can’t figure out how to play it 
through Sonos. I can also get to it through Sonos, but can’t connect into the 
Era-300, although I can using Spotify. 

Anybody got any suggestions?

Thanks. 

John  

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Playing Apple classical music over my sonos speakers

[realman02 via VIPhone]

Hi. I just bought a Sonos Era-300 and am anxious to hear spatial audio over
my Era-300. I tried accessing the new apple Classical music app. I can get
into it through Music, then go to apple Classical, but can't figure out how
to play it through Sonos. I can also get to it through Sonos, but can't
connect into the Era-300, although I can using Spotify. 

Anybody got any suggestions?

Thanks. 

John  

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RE: Time being announced

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If you flock away to something else that should fix the problem. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of marilyn
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2023 5:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Time being announced

 

Hello all, 

A few days ago I noticed something strange. My iPhone started announcing the 
time every minute, whether I was checking messages, on a call, or anything 
else. Whatever I was doing would be interrupted every minute by the 
announcement. It never used to be like this. Has any one else had this 
situation? Why did this happen, and how can I stop the announcements? 

Thanks for any help with this. 

Marilyn 

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RE: Podcast player suggestion

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Overcast works great for me. 

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Stirbens
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 5:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Podcast player suggestion

Hello,
I use the podcasts app from apple to play my podcasts on my iPhone 13 mini.  
Since the latest update of the iPhone, I can no longer jump from chapter to 
chapter when using the app.  I called Apple tech support, and they could 
duplicate the problem.  Until the app is fixed, can anyone recommend another 
podcast app that will show chapters?

Jan

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RE: toDISABLE, deleteOR MOVE an app from my IPHONE

[realman02 via VIPhone]

These are great instrucitons. How do I delete an app from a folder that has 
multiple apps? I can’t seem to be able to do it. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marilyn 
and Don Bilderback
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 11:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: toDISABLE, deleteOR MOVE an app from my IPHONE

 

Go to any Home Screen, touch an app, flick up or down to edit Mode, and 
double-tap. Now find the app you want to move. Flick down to the Drag option 
and double-tap. Touch an app or folder that you want to be to its left or 
right. Then flick down until you get to the Drop option you want, and 
double-tap.

Edit mode will close a few seconds later, or you can do the Home gesture or 
press the Home button to exit.

Check Restrictions to confirm that the ability to delete apps is turned on. 
Settings, General, Restrictions,

will take you to where you need to be to check the setting.

 

press and hold on the app you want to remove. it will say editing. 

it will pull up a context menu that says remove app, tap on that,

and then it will give you options to delete from iPhone or remove from home 
screen.

tap delete and it will be removed.

 

Here is how I delete apps. 

1. Flick to the app you wish to delete.

2. Flick up till you reach the "edit" option and double tap it. 

3. Flick down till you reach the "delete" option and double tap it.

At this point you should get a screen that offers the "remove" option, an 
explanation of the remove function,

And the "delete" option and an explanation of the delete function. 

4 Double tap the "delete" option.

Placing yourself in "edit" mode, step #2,  is key to this operation.

 

1.  Place focus on the app to be deleted on your home screen and single 
finger triple tap.
2.  A context menu will open and focus should be on Remove app and you 
should single finger double tap the screen.
3.  Another screen will open with a heading of Remove and the app’s name.
4.  Single finger swipe right until you hear delete app and single finger 
double tap on the screen to delete it.
5.  A confirmation screen will open and you must single finger swipe right 
to the Delete button and double tap to complete the process.

 

1. position yourself on the app you want to delete and swipe down with one 
finger to, Edit, and do a single finger double tap, and you should hear, 
started editing.

2. Swipe down with one finger to, Delete, and do a single finger double tap and 
you should hear, Remove... 

Now swipe right to, Delete app, and do a single finger double tap.  I forget if 
there's a confirmation dialog, but if there is, tap on yes.

 

Double tap and hold on the desired app icon. Wait till you hear a three chime 
tone 

drag your finger around to where you wish to move the app  To another screen by 
dragging it to the edge of the device

and waiting for the sound indicator to notify you of the screen change or on to 
a folder and wait for the folder to open with a distinctive sound letting you 
know that the folder is opening.

Press the home button to get out of that edit mode where you can rearrange apps 
or delete them

 

Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Rotor actions, and single finger 
swipe right once to Edit apps on home screen  and make sure the switch is 
turned on.

 

To DISABLE AN ADD ON: 

Once you have found the add-on, press Alt plus d, which will disable it.

Check whether there are any others it might be, and if so, do the same to them.

Then press Alt plus c. You will be asked to restart NVDA, press enter.

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RE: Issue with most Recent update of Audible app

[realman02 via VIPhone]

What setting do you set to have books automatically deleted form your phone 
when you delete?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2023 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Issue with most Recent update of Audible app

I agree.  Audible might be a tiny bit slower at opening, but it works fine for 
me.  I've got my audible app set, to once I finish reading an audible book on 
my phone, to automatically delete itself from my phone.  It works great.  I'm 
currently reading Dreamcatcher by Stephen King.

On 3/3/23, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> Audible seems to be working alright too, on an SE2020; yes it seems to 
> upon opening, take just a little bit longer to load, but other dan that..:
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>
>> El 3 mar 2023, a la(s) 11:41 a.m., Anna Dresner 
>> escribió:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Audible seems to be working pretty much the same as before on my 2020 SE.
>> Maybe it’s loading a bit more slowly, but not too much. I did notice 
>> that when I had it set to only show items on my device and then 
>> deleted something, I had to reload the app to get the deleted item to 
>> disappear from the Library screen. I’m pretty sure that in the past, 
>> deleted items disappeared immediately.
>>
>> Best,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2023, at 9:23 AM, realman02 via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi. Ever since I downloaded the most recent update to the Audible 
>>> app, audible is very slow loading and each time I perform an action 
>>> it slowly loads. Is anyone else having issues with the latest update?
>>> I'm using an Iphone 14-Pro.
>>> Thanks! John Riehl
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RE: Issue with most Recent update of Audible app

[realman02 via VIPhone]

Thanks, anna. 
To anyone, what's the best way to give feedback to Audible? 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2023 12:41 PM
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Subject: Re: Issue with most Recent update of Audible app

Hi John,

Audible seems to be working pretty much the same as before on my 2020 SE. Maybe 
it’s loading a bit more slowly, but not too much. I did notice that when I had 
it set to only show items on my device and then deleted something, I had to 
reload the app to get the deleted item to disappear from the Library screen. 
I’m pretty sure that in the past, deleted items disappeared immediately.

Best,
Anna


> On Mar 3, 2023, at 9:23 AM, realman02 via VIPhone  
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> Hi. Ever since I downloaded the most recent update to the Audible app, 
> audible is very slow loading and each time I perform an action it slowly 
> loads. Is anyone else having issues with the latest update?
> I'm using an Iphone 14-Pro.
> Thanks! John Riehl
> 
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Issue with most Recent update of Audible app

[realman02 via VIPhone]

Hi. Ever since I downloaded the most recent update to the Audible app, audible 
is very slow loading and each time I perform an action it slowly loads. Is 
anyone else having issues with the latest update?
I'm using an Iphone 14-Pro.
Thanks! John Riehl
  


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