RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
That's encouraging, Sieghard, thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 4:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? Caroline, you have to realize that the first public beta was only just released a few days ago. This is the third beta since iOS 17 was released and between now and mid September, when iOS 17 will be officially released, there will be at least another 5 or 6 more beta releases with fixes. My sighted wife accidently installed it on her iPhone 13 Pro since she didn't realize that she was installing a very early beta version so I decided to also install it in case she ran into issues and at least I could hopefully help her then. The main issue I experience right now is that particularly in the Weather Office app which I use here in Canada, Voiceover sometimes goes silent as if you were to do a 3-finger double tap, i.e. you still hear the clicks and tones when you swipe, but there is no speech. I then have to turn Voiceover off and back on with a triple press of the side button. Apart from that everything is actually amazingly stable and I have a feeling this will be a decent initial release. In fact, the issue where if you use a Siri voice for Voiceover you sometimes get this little hickup where it seems Voiceover restarts and focus goes to the top of the screen seems to be gone. This is where if you have screen curtain turned on you get a sort of glitch and then Voiceover says "screen curtain on" as if it was restarting. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 10:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? If I keep hearing this sort of thing about 17, I'll just skip it and wait for 17.1. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 9:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? I agree if you aren’t going to report things don’t join the beta. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 1:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? I would definitely move up to 17 when it comes out, and I’d always say IOS updates are worth the upgrade, including for VO users. As Sieghard says, whether you want to try a beta or not is more dependent on whether you want to participate in the beta process than getting access to any new features. In other words, I don’t think you should join a beta just to get fixes or new features. You should only do it if you want to be part of the testing process for these features. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 9:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very sluggish. Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to let them know. One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM To: 'cwc' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious consideration? Thanks. -- Dan B
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
Hi Siegard In Belgium I am hearing complaints of blind beta testers that randomly edit fields toe dit tekst are behaving extremely sluggish. Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: viphone@googlegroups.com Namens Sieghard Weitzel Verzonden: zondag 16 juli 2023 22:14 Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com Onderwerp: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? Caroline, you have to realize that the first public beta was only just released a few days ago. This is the third beta since iOS 17 was released and between now and mid September, when iOS 17 will be officially released, there will be at least another 5 or 6 more beta releases with fixes. My sighted wife accidently installed it on her iPhone 13 Pro since she didn't realize that she was installing a very early beta version so I decided to also install it in case she ran into issues and at least I could hopefully help her then. The main issue I experience right now is that particularly in the Weather Office app which I use here in Canada, Voiceover sometimes goes silent as if you were to do a 3-finger double tap, i.e. you still hear the clicks and tones when you swipe, but there is no speech. I then have to turn Voiceover off and back on with a triple press of the side button. Apart from that everything is actually amazingly stable and I have a feeling this will be a decent initial release. In fact, the issue where if you use a Siri voice for Voiceover you sometimes get this little hickup where it seems Voiceover restarts and focus goes to the top of the screen seems to be gone. This is where if you have screen curtain turned on you get a sort of glitch and then Voiceover says "screen curtain on" as if it was restarting. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 10:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? If I keep hearing this sort of thing about 17, I'll just skip it and wait for 17.1. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 9:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? I agree if you aren’t going to report things don’t join the beta. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 1:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? I would definitely move up to 17 when it comes out, and I’d always say IOS updates are worth the upgrade, including for VO users. As Sieghard says, whether you want to try a beta or not is more dependent on whether you want to participate in the beta process than getting access to any new features. In other words, I don’t think you should join a beta just to get fixes or new features. You should only do it if you want to be part of the testing process for these features. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 9:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very sluggish. Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to let them know. One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM To: 'cwc' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is ther
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
Yes, the first public beta is in fact developer beta 3 so typically at least 5 more and often 6 means in total there will be at least 8 or 9 beta releases. There will be a new beta release at most every 2 weeks, sometimes even weekly. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 4:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 17, is it worth it? Try about 5 to 6 more betas at least before 17 is released. > On Jul 16, 2023, at 7:20 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > > That is a very good idea, but right now we don’t have 17 now we have 17 > better one or better too. It’s gonna be at least one more virgins before 17 > comes out. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 16, 2023, at 4:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> You can, but it's not quite so deasy when you upgrade to a new major >> software release. If you don't have a backup from iOS 16, but you have one >> from iOS 17 then downgrading means you can't restore from the iOS 17 backup. >> You also have to use a computer to downgrade. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of lenron brown >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 9:54 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: IOS 17, is it worth it? >> >> You can go back, as in most cases backup your device >> >>>> On 7/16/23, Dennis Long wrote: >>> Dan let me ask you something are you going to report bugs you find? >>> >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >>> Of Dan >>> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:12 AM >>> To: 'cwc' via VIPhone >>> Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> >>> >>> I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. >>> She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I >>> am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I >>> haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this >>> go round. >>> >>> >>> >>> Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our >>> serious consideration? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>> iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>> itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara >>> Quinn >>> - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74 >>> e6 >>> d2e489b9%40gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-7 >>> 4e 6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>> iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>> itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara >>> at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.
Re: IOS 17, is it worth it?
Try about 5 to 6 more betas at least before 17 is released. > On Jul 16, 2023, at 7:20 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > > That is a very good idea, but right now we don’t have 17 now we have 17 > better one or better too. It’s gonna be at least one more virgins before 17 > comes out. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 16, 2023, at 4:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> You can, but it's not quite so deasy when you upgrade to a new major >> software release. If you don't have a backup from iOS 16, but you have one >> from iOS 17 then downgrading means you can't restore from the iOS 17 backup. >> You also have to use a computer to downgrade. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> lenron brown >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 9:54 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: IOS 17, is it worth it? >> >> You can go back, as in most cases backup your device >> >>>> On 7/16/23, Dennis Long wrote: >>> Dan let me ask you something are you going to report bugs you find? >>> >>> >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Dan >>> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:12 AM >>> To: 'cwc' via VIPhone >>> Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> >>> >>> I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. >>> She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am >>> just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I >>> haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this >>> go round. >>> >>> >>> >>> Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our >>> serious consideration? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>> list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn >>> - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6 >>> d2e489b9%40gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e >>> 6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>> list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003401d9b7ea%24c9d91e20%245d8b5a60%24%40gmail.com. >>> >> >> >>
Re: IOS 17, is it worth it?
That is a very good idea, but right now we don’t have 17 now we have 17 better one or better too. It’s gonna be at least one more virgins before 17 comes out. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 16, 2023, at 4:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > You can, but it's not quite so deasy when you upgrade to a new major > software release. If you don't have a backup from iOS 16, but you have one > from iOS 17 then downgrading means you can't restore from the iOS 17 backup. > You also have to use a computer to downgrade. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of lenron > brown > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 9:54 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IOS 17, is it worth it? > > You can go back, as in most cases backup your device > >> On 7/16/23, Dennis Long wrote: >> Dan let me ask you something are you going to report bugs you find? >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Dan >> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:12 AM >> To: 'cwc' via VIPhone >> Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. >> She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am >> just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I >> haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this >> go round. >> >> >> >> Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our >> serious consideration? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> -- >> Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn >> - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6 >> d2e489b9%40gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e >> 6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003401d9b7ea%24c9d91e20%245d8b5a60%24%40gmail.com. >> > > > -- > Lenron Brown > > > Skype: ron.brown762 > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > c
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
You can, but it's not quite so deasy when you upgrade to a new major software release. If you don't have a backup from iOS 16, but you have one from iOS 17 then downgrading means you can't restore from the iOS 17 backup. You also have to use a computer to downgrade. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of lenron brown Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 9:54 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 17, is it worth it? You can go back, as in most cases backup your device On 7/16/23, Dennis Long wrote: > Dan let me ask you something are you going to report bugs you find? > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Dan > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:12 AM > To: 'cwc' via VIPhone > Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? > > > > Hi all, > > > > I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. > She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am > just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I > haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go > round. > > > > Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our > serious consideration? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn > - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6 > d2e489b9%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e > 6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003401d9b7ea%24c9d91e20%245d8b5a60%24%40gmail.com. > -- Lenron Brown Skype: ron.brown762 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAA86uURqXQFFDkL61OaxgcTk%2BgQtXAM95XKU1PP23JjbvH5uSg%40mail.gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than post
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
Caroline, you have to realize that the first public beta was only just released a few days ago. This is the third beta since iOS 17 was released and between now and mid September, when iOS 17 will be officially released, there will be at least another 5 or 6 more beta releases with fixes. My sighted wife accidently installed it on her iPhone 13 Pro since she didn't realize that she was installing a very early beta version so I decided to also install it in case she ran into issues and at least I could hopefully help her then. The main issue I experience right now is that particularly in the Weather Office app which I use here in Canada, Voiceover sometimes goes silent as if you were to do a 3-finger double tap, i.e. you still hear the clicks and tones when you swipe, but there is no speech. I then have to turn Voiceover off and back on with a triple press of the side button. Apart from that everything is actually amazingly stable and I have a feeling this will be a decent initial release. In fact, the issue where if you use a Siri voice for Voiceover you sometimes get this little hickup where it seems Voiceover restarts and focus goes to the top of the screen seems to be gone. This is where if you have screen curtain turned on you get a sort of glitch and then Voiceover says "screen curtain on" as if it was restarting. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 10:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? If I keep hearing this sort of thing about 17, I'll just skip it and wait for 17.1. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 9:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? I agree if you aren’t going to report things don’t join the beta. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 1:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? I would definitely move up to 17 when it comes out, and I’d always say IOS updates are worth the upgrade, including for VO users. As Sieghard says, whether you want to try a beta or not is more dependent on whether you want to participate in the beta process than getting access to any new features. In other words, I don’t think you should join a beta just to get fixes or new features. You should only do it if you want to be part of the testing process for these features. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 9:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very sluggish. Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to let them know. One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM To: 'cwc' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious consideration? Thanks. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators direct
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
If I keep hearing this sort of thing about 17, I'll just skip it and wait for 17.1. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2023 9:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? I agree if you aren’t going to report things don’t join the beta. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 1:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? I would definitely move up to 17 when it comes out, and I’d always say IOS updates are worth the upgrade, including for VO users. As Sieghard says, whether you want to try a beta or not is more dependent on whether you want to participate in the beta process than getting access to any new features. In other words, I don’t think you should join a beta just to get fixes or new features. You should only do it if you want to be part of the testing process for these features. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 9:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very sluggish. Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to let them know. One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM To: 'cwc' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious consideration? Thanks. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@goog
Re: IOS 17, is it worth it?
You can go back, as in most cases backup your device On 7/16/23, Dennis Long wrote: > Dan let me ask you something are you going to report bugs you find? > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dan > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:12 AM > To: 'cwc' via VIPhone > Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? > > > > Hi all, > > > > I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She > obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just > wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used > betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. > > > > Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious > consideration? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you > can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003401d9b7ea%24c9d91e20%245d8b5a60%24%40gmail.com. > -- Lenron Brown Skype: ron.brown762 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CAA86uURqXQFFDkL61OaxgcTk%2BgQtXAM95XKU1PP23JjbvH5uSg%40mail.gmail.com.
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
Dan let me ask you something are you going to report bugs you find? From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:12 AM To: 'cwc' via VIPhone Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious consideration? Thanks. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003401d9b7ea%24c9d91e20%245d8b5a60%24%40gmail.com.
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
Oh its broken that is true. I’ve reported it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very sluggish. Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to let them know. One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM To: 'cwc' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious consideration? Thanks. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB56561AB15D197FBE59186D10C734A%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB56561AB15D197FBE59186D10C734A%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.c
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
I agree if you aren’t going to report things don’t join the beta. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 1:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? I would definitely move up to 17 when it comes out, and I’d always say IOS updates are worth the upgrade, including for VO users. As Sieghard says, whether you want to try a beta or not is more dependent on whether you want to participate in the beta process than getting access to any new features. In other words, I don’t think you should join a beta just to get fixes or new features. You should only do it if you want to be part of the testing process for these features. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 9:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very sluggish. Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to let them know. One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM To: 'cwc' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious consideration? Thanks. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googl
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
You can’t go back isn’t entirely true. It is a bit of a pain. It can be done but it isn’t as simple as resetting your phone. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Peter Logan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 1:48 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? To expound upon this some, the drag and drop issue still exists with the 3rd. developer beta. Also there are some things with Siri cutting off and not completing things. I’ve also had issues with alarms and such being silent even though volume is up and the mute switch is o not on. Also, I agree .. that as with most of the betas the battery life is poor. If it’s your main device, I would be careful about moving to it, cause one you do .. you can’t go back .. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very sluggish. Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to let them know. One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM To: 'cwc' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious consideration? Thanks. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegr
Re: IOS 17, is it worth it?
Sieghard, I appreciate your high moral standing and certainly you may consider to switch from Apple devices if you don’t like that. Apple is still known for Mac vs PC guy campaign that must be extremely dodgy by your standards, as it went much further in being nasty to competitors, comparing to that I only quote facts. Just like in the previous thread I haven’t said a single thing on my app until someone started to either talk dirty on me or to promote another app with false facts. On the other hand it is great if it works on your device. It doesn’t on mine. And just to say that I still think that this is helpful information for someone who wants to use the beta. And your opinion on me and my campaign wasn’t. Let’s try to stick to the topic if that is possible. On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 8:22:47 PM UTC+2 Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > If you refer to Voice Dream Reader which I assume you are after your > dogged campaign to try and convince people your app is vbetter then I can > report that after upgrading to iOS 17 public beta yesterday I just tried it > and the app opened without crashing. I didn't do a lot in it, but I did > have an audio book loaded and started playing it, skipped forward and > backward a bit and all was working normally. > > > > *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of *Ivan > Icin > *Sent:* Saturday, July 15, 2023 5:51 AM > *To:* VIPhone > *Subject:* Re: IOS 17, is it worth it? > > > > There are several features that might be of interest of VoiceOver users. > > > > You can set sentence pause and pitch for each voice. > > > > There is the option to read aloud the web page from Safari. > > > > One popular accessibility app is crashing on start, but people don't like > when I mention it so you will have to hear which one it is from someone > else. But as far as I remember it was crashing on each beta thus far so > nothing unexpected, just it might be important if you want to use it as the > daily driver. I haven't seen any other app to crash thus far. > > > > Certainly you can't expect beta to be bug free and it may get worse on > your device, but this beta is fairly close to being daily driver unlike for > example iOS 16 early betas. This is very close to the iOS 16 launch quality > level (which was very bad for the official version). > > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:47:59 PM UTC+2 Peter Logan wrote: > > To expound upon this some, the drag and drop issue still exists with the 3 > rd. developer beta. Also there are some things with Siri cutting off and > not completing things. I’ve also had issues with alarms and such being > silent even though volume is up and the mute switch is o not on. Also, I > agree .. that as with most of the betas the battery life is poor. > > > > If it’s your main device, I would be careful about moving to it, cause one > you do .. you can’t go back .. > > > > > > > > > > *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of > *Sieghard > Weitzel > *Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2023 10:55 AM > *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? > > > > One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or > any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to > expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that > certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates > them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and > this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. > > Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is > very sluggish. > > Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to > Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel > it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the > app to let them know. > > One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop > currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first > developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first > public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all > users. > > > > *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of * > Dan > *Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM > *To:* 'cwc' via VIPhone > *Subject:* IOS 17, is it worth it? > > > > Hi all, > > > > I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She > obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just > wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I have
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
Voice dream reader did a recent update so they probably fixed the issue with non-VO voices not working when Synch was enabled. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Anna Dresner Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 2:35 PM To: VIPhone Mailing List Subject: Re: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hello, Yes, Voice Dream Reader is working fine here too. Best, Anna On Jul 15, 2023, at 1:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote: If you refer to Voice Dream Reader which I assume you are after your dogged campaign to try and convince people your app is vbetter then I can report that after upgrading to iOS 17 public beta yesterday I just tried it and the app opened without crashing. I didn't do a lot in it, but I did have an audio book loaded and started playing it, skipped forward and backward a bit and all was working normally. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ivan Icin Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 5:51 AM To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: IOS 17, is it worth it? There are several features that might be of interest of VoiceOver users. You can set sentence pause and pitch for each voice. There is the option to read aloud the web page from Safari. One popular accessibility app is crashing on start, but people don't like when I mention it so you will have to hear which one it is from someone else. But as far as I remember it was crashing on each beta thus far so nothing unexpected, just it might be important if you want to use it as the daily driver. I haven't seen any other app to crash thus far. Certainly you can't expect beta to be bug free and it may get worse on your device, but this beta is fairly close to being daily driver unlike for example iOS 16 early betas. This is very close to the iOS 16 launch quality level (which was very bad for the official version). On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:47:59 PM UTC+2 Peter Logan wrote: To expound upon this some, the drag and drop issue still exists with the 3rd. developer beta. Also there are some things with Siri cutting off and not completing things. I’ve also had issues with alarms and such being silent even though volume is up and the mute switch is o not on. Also, I agree .. that as with most of the betas the battery life is poor. If it’s your main device, I would be careful about moving to it, cause one you do .. you can’t go back .. From: vip...@googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com/> http://googlegroups.com/> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:55 AM To: vip...@googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com/> Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very sluggish. Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to let them know. One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. From: vip...@googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com/> http://googlegroups.com/> > On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM To: 'cwc' via VIPhone http://googlegroups.com/> > Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious consideration? Thanks. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <http://ucla.edu/
Re: IOS 17, is it worth it?
Hello, Yes, Voice Dream Reader is working fine here too. Best, Anna > On Jul 15, 2023, at 1:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > If you refer to Voice Dream Reader which I assume you are after your dogged > campaign to try and convince people your app is vbetter then I can report > that after upgrading to iOS 17 public beta yesterday I just tried it and the > app opened without crashing. I didn't do a lot in it, but I did have an audio > book loaded and started playing it, skipped forward and backward a bit and > all was working normally. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ivan Icin > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 5:51 AM > To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> > Subject: Re: IOS 17, is it worth it? > > There are several features that might be of interest of VoiceOver users. > > You can set sentence pause and pitch for each voice. > > There is the option to read aloud the web page from Safari. > > One popular accessibility app is crashing on start, but people don't like > when I mention it so you will have to hear which one it is from someone else. > But as far as I remember it was crashing on each beta thus far so nothing > unexpected, just it might be important if you want to use it as the daily > driver. I haven't seen any other app to crash thus far. > > Certainly you can't expect beta to be bug free and it may get worse on your > device, but this beta is fairly close to being daily driver unlike for > example iOS 16 early betas. This is very close to the iOS 16 launch quality > level (which was very bad for the official version). > > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:47:59 PM UTC+2 Peter Logan wrote: > To expound upon this some, the drag and drop issue still exists with the 3rd. > developer beta. Also there are some things with Siri cutting off and not > completing things. I’ve also had issues with alarms and such being silent > even though volume is up and the mute switch is o not on. Also, I agree .. > that as with most of the betas the battery life is poor. > > If it’s your main device, I would be careful about moving to it, cause one > you do .. you can’t go back .. > > > > > From: vip...@googlegroups.com > <http://googlegroups.com/> <http://googlegroups.com/>> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:55 AM > To: vip...@googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com/> > Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? > > One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any > early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to > expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that > certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them > or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is > certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. > Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very > sluggish. > Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to > Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it > concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to > let them know. > One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently > does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and > may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release > although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. > > From: vip...@googlegroups.com > <http://googlegroups.com/> <http://googlegroups.com/>> On Behalf Of Dan > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM > To: 'cwc' via VIPhone http://googlegroups.com/>> > Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? > > Hi all, > > > > I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She > obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just > wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used > betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. > > > > Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious > consideration? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rat
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
If you refer to Voice Dream Reader which I assume you are after your dogged campaign to try and convince people your app is vbetter then I can report that after upgrading to iOS 17 public beta yesterday I just tried it and the app opened without crashing. I didn't do a lot in it, but I did have an audio book loaded and started playing it, skipped forward and backward a bit and all was working normally. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Ivan Icin Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 5:51 AM To: VIPhone Subject: Re: IOS 17, is it worth it? There are several features that might be of interest of VoiceOver users. You can set sentence pause and pitch for each voice. There is the option to read aloud the web page from Safari. One popular accessibility app is crashing on start, but people don't like when I mention it so you will have to hear which one it is from someone else. But as far as I remember it was crashing on each beta thus far so nothing unexpected, just it might be important if you want to use it as the daily driver. I haven't seen any other app to crash thus far. Certainly you can't expect beta to be bug free and it may get worse on your device, but this beta is fairly close to being daily driver unlike for example iOS 16 early betas. This is very close to the iOS 16 launch quality level (which was very bad for the official version). On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:47:59 PM UTC+2 Peter Logan wrote: To expound upon this some, the drag and drop issue still exists with the 3rd. developer beta. Also there are some things with Siri cutting off and not completing things. I’ve also had issues with alarms and such being silent even though volume is up and the mute switch is o not on. Also, I agree .. that as with most of the betas the battery life is poor. If it’s your main device, I would be careful about moving to it, cause one you do .. you can’t go back .. From: vip...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:55 AM To: vip...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very sluggish. Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to let them know. One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. From: vip...@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM To: 'cwc' via VIPhone Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious consideration? Thanks. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/vip...@googlegroups.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+u...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this
Re: IOS 17, is it worth it?
There are several features that might be of interest of VoiceOver users. You can set sentence pause and pitch for each voice. There is the option to read aloud the web page from Safari. One popular accessibility app is crashing on start, but people don't like when I mention it so you will have to hear which one it is from someone else. But as far as I remember it was crashing on each beta thus far so nothing unexpected, just it might be important if you want to use it as the daily driver. I haven't seen any other app to crash thus far. Certainly you can't expect beta to be bug free and it may get worse on your device, but this beta is fairly close to being daily driver unlike for example iOS 16 early betas. This is very close to the iOS 16 launch quality level (which was very bad for the official version). On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:47:59 PM UTC+2 Peter Logan wrote: > To expound upon this some, the drag and drop issue still exists with the 3 > rd. developer beta. Also there are some things with Siri cutting off and > not completing things. I’ve also had issues with alarms and such being > silent even though volume is up and the mute switch is o not on. Also, I > agree .. that as with most of the betas the battery life is poor. > > > > If it’s your main device, I would be careful about moving to it, cause one > you do .. you can’t go back .. > > > > > > > > > > *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of > *Sieghard > Weitzel > *Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2023 10:55 AM > *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? > > > > One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or > any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to > expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that > certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates > them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and > this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. > > Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is > very sluggish. > > Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to > Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel > it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the > app to let them know. > > One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop > currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first > developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first > public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all > users. > > > > *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of * > Dan > *Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM > *To:* 'cwc' via VIPhone > *Subject:* IOS 17, is it worth it? > > > > Hi all, > > > > I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She > obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just > wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used > betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. > > > > Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious > consideration? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > cara...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/vip...@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+u...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > &
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
To expound upon this some, the drag and drop issue still exists with the 3rd. developer beta. Also there are some things with Siri cutting off and not completing things. I’ve also had issues with alarms and such being silent even though volume is up and the mute switch is o not on. Also, I agree .. that as with most of the betas the battery life is poor. If it’s your main device, I would be careful about moving to it, cause one you do .. you can’t go back .. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very sluggish. Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to let them know. One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM To: 'cwc' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious consideration? Thanks. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB56561AB15D197FBE59186D10C734A%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB56561AB15D197FBE59186D10C734A%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any ques
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
I would definitely move up to 17 when it comes out, and I'd always say IOS updates are worth the upgrade, including for VO users. As Sieghard says, whether you want to try a beta or not is more dependent on whether you want to participate in the beta process than getting access to any new features. In other words, I don't think you should join a beta just to get fixes or new features. You should only do it if you want to be part of the testing process for these features. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 9:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 17, is it worth it? One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very sluggish. Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to let them know. One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM To: 'cwc' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious consideration? Thanks. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB56561AB15D197FBE59186D10C734A%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB56561AB15D197FBE59186D10C734A%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any q
RE: IOS 17, is it worth it?
One thing you have to remember is that if you put iOS 17 public beta or any early public beta on your primary phone that you have to be willing to expect problems. This could be small stuff, but it could also mean that certain apps you use crash and are unusable until the developer updates them or something in iOS 17 is changed. It May mean more battery drain and this is certainly something I have read about in connection with iOS 17. Another issue some people seem to experience is that the Messages app is very sluggish. Also, ifyou do go ahead you should be willing and able to send feedback to Apple when you run into an issue so they can look into it and if you feel it concerns a particular app you should also contact the developer of the app to let them know. One thing I heard about for Voiceover users is that drag and drop currently does not work; this seems to have been fine in the first developer betas and may possibly have only been introduced in this first public beta release although once again, it may not be an issue for all users. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 7:12 AM To: 'cwc' via VIPhone Subject: IOS 17, is it worth it? Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious consideration? Thanks. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB56561AB15D197FBE59186D10C734A%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com.
Re: IOS 17, is it worth it?
I'll still make sure my iPhone is as up to date as possible. I've got a 13 pro max, and when 17 comes out, I'll up date it. On 7/14/23, Dan wrote: > Hi all, > > > I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She > obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just > wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used > betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. > > > Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious > consideration? > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com. > -- Joshua Hendrickson Joshua Hendrickson -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/CADUoy9vRmXP_8-CO2M_hxMemK6M0h_girjkcRNbHyn8F9c%3DJag%40mail.gmail.com.
IOS 17, is it worth it?
Hi all, I read an article by Kim Komando about the public beta being out now. She obviously didn't talk about any accessibility aspects of 17. I am just wondering if 17 is worth the upgrade or not for VO users. I haven't used betas in IOS before but was kind of toying with the idea this go round. Have any of you tried it yet? Is there anything in 17 worth our serious consideration? Thanks. -- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/d166b04c-7048-58a4-94a5-74e6d2e489b9%40gmail.com.
