RE: Iphone 8 VS 8+ or X

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Maria, Mary and craig,

Craig is correct, the iPhone X has optical zoom for both back camera lenses. 
However, both the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus have optical image stabilization for the 
zoom lens, this is a difference to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus and earlier where 
only the Plus models had optical image stabilization. The below is taken 
directly from the full phone specification page of the Apple website, it is 
after the section which lists differences and talks about specifications 
present in the 8 and 8 Plus which is what is meant by "both phones":

Both models:
Optical image stabilization
Six‑element lens 
Quad-LED True Tone flash with Slow Sync
Panorama (up to 63MP)
Sapphire crystal lens cover
Backside illumination sensor
Hybrid IR filter
Autofocus with Focus Pixels
Tap to focus with Focus Pixels
Live Photos with stabilization
Wide colour capture for photos and Live Photos
Improved local tone mapping
Body and face detection
Exposure control
Noise reduction
Auto HDR for photos
Auto image stabilization
Burst mode
Timer mode
Photo geotagging 
Image formats captured: HEIF and JPEG

Video Recording
4K video recording at 24 fps, 30 fps or 60 fps
1080p HD video recording at 30 fps or 60 fps
720p HD video recording at 30 fps
Optical image stabilization for video
Optical zoom; 6x digital zoom (iPhone 8 Plus only)
Quad-LED True Tone flash
Slo‑mo video support for 1080p at 120 fps or 240 fps
Time‑lapse video with stabilization
Cinematic video stabilization (1080p and 720p)
Continuous autofocus video
Body and face detection
Noise reduction
Take 8MP still photos while recording 4K video 
Playback zoom 
Video geotagging 
Video formats recorded: HEVC and H.264

FaceTime HD Camera
7MP camera
1080p HD video recording
Retina Flash
ƒ/2.2 aperture
Wide colour capture for photos and Live Photos
Auto HDR
Backside illumination sensor
Body and face detection
Auto image stabilization
Burst mode
Exposure control
Timer mode

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Greg Wocher
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2017 12:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphone 8 VS 8+ or X

Hello,
In the iPhone X both lenses of the dual camera setup have image stabilization. 
On the 8plus only one of the dual lenses has the image stabilization. 


Regards,
Greg Wocher
> On Oct 7, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am 99.9% sure that this is incorrect. There is something else that's 
> available only on the X, but it's not that. Optical image stabilization is 
> even on the 7+. Could it be maybe only for the back camera? There's more to 
> this than just saying it's not available.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Maria Reyes <the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually optical image stabilization is only available on the iPhone X
>> 
>> Maria Reyes 
>> Owner of the following groups: Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io 
>> iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 2:36 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I think optical image stabilization is only available on the 8+, and 
>>> to be honest I am very happy with my 6s for both sound quality and general 
>>> usage. Enough said and good luck with your decision making.
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Oct 2017, at 06:53, Carl John de Campos <carljdecam...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I’m due for an upgrade soonand I’ve used my 6S 64 GB space gray for the 
>>>> past two years.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m firstly considering the Iphone 8 vs the 8+, of which the better 
>>>> reported battery life and larger screen work area (I also type a lot 
>>>> onscreen), are cons for the +, but smaller pocket size and cheaper price 
>>>> are cons for the 8.
>>>> 
>>>> I think the cameras are the same between the two so for youtube video 
>>>> making and OCR work they should be identical, but I have the following 
>>>> questions:
>>>> 
>>>> Do both 8 and 8+ have optical image stabilization?
>>>> Do both 8 and 8+ have stereo speakers, and do you think they would sound 
>>>> exactly the same (listening to audio books and youtube very important for 
>>>> better sound on phone speakers)?
>>>> And are there any other worth while mentioning differences between the two?
>>>> 
>>>> And lastly, I think the X would be everyone’s dream phone, but I already 
>>>> hear production is low and they may not ship enough units b

Re: Iphone 8 VS 8+ or X

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
In the iPhone X both lenses of the dual camera setup have image stabilization. 
On the 8plus only one of the dual lenses has the image stabilization. 


Regards,
Greg Wocher
> On Oct 7, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am 99.9% sure that this is incorrect. There is something else that's 
> available only on the X, but it's not that. Optical image stabilization is 
> even on the 7+. Could it be maybe only for the back camera? There's more to 
> this than just saying it's not available.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Maria Reyes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually optical image stabilization is only available on the iPhone X
>> 
>> Maria Reyes 
>> Owner of the following groups: Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io 
>> iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 2:36 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I think optical image stabilization is only available on the 8+, and 
>>> to be honest I am very happy with my 6s for both sound quality and general 
>>> usage. Enough said and good luck with your decision making.
>>> 
 On 6 Oct 2017, at 06:53, Carl John de Campos  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I’m due for an upgrade soonand I’ve used my 6S 64 GB space gray for the 
 past two years.
 
 I’m firstly considering the Iphone 8 vs the 8+, of which the better 
 reported battery life and larger screen work area (I also type a lot 
 onscreen), are cons for the +, but smaller pocket size and cheaper price 
 are cons for the 8.
 
 I think the cameras are the same between the two so for youtube video 
 making and OCR work they should be identical, but I have the following 
 questions:
 
 Do both 8 and 8+ have optical image stabilization?
 Do both 8 and 8+ have stereo speakers, and do you think they would sound 
 exactly the same (listening to audio books and youtube very important for 
 better sound on phone speakers)?
 And are there any other worth while mentioning differences between the two?
 
 And lastly, I think the X would be everyone’s dream phone, but I already 
 hear production is low and they may not ship enough units by 5 Nov to 
 U.S., thus to South Africa will probably take another million years, plus 
 cost, at $1000 starting, by the time South Africa gets it it will cost 
 excessively more than the 8 and 8+.  Wondering if worth waiting vs the 
 price.
 
 Do any of you have your 8 or 8+ yet, and what are your thoughts on the 
 phone speed, feel, speakers, battery, etc.
 
 Thanks / Regards
 Carl de Campos
 SQL DBA
 Business Connection
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Re: Iphone 8 VS 8+ or X

[Mary Otten]

I am 99.9% sure that this is incorrect. There is something else that's 
available only on the X, but it's not that. Optical image stabilization is even 
on the 7+. Could it be maybe only for the back camera? There's more to this 
than just saying it's not available.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> Actually optical image stabilization is only available on the iPhone X
> 
> Maria Reyes 
> Owner of the following groups: Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io 
> iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 2:36 PM, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I think optical image stabilization is only available on the 8+, and 
>> to be honest I am very happy with my 6s for both sound quality and general 
>> usage. Enough said and good luck with your decision making.
>> 
>>> On 6 Oct 2017, at 06:53, Carl John de Campos  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’m due for an upgrade soonand I’ve used my 6S 64 GB space gray for the 
>>> past two years.
>>> 
>>> I’m firstly considering the Iphone 8 vs the 8+, of which the better 
>>> reported battery life and larger screen work area (I also type a lot 
>>> onscreen), are cons for the +, but smaller pocket size and cheaper price 
>>> are cons for the 8.
>>> 
>>> I think the cameras are the same between the two so for youtube video 
>>> making and OCR work they should be identical, but I have the following 
>>> questions:
>>> 
>>> Do both 8 and 8+ have optical image stabilization?
>>> Do both 8 and 8+ have stereo speakers, and do you think they would sound 
>>> exactly the same (listening to audio books and youtube very important for 
>>> better sound on phone speakers)?
>>> And are there any other worth while mentioning differences between the two?
>>> 
>>> And lastly, I think the X would be everyone’s dream phone, but I already 
>>> hear production is low and they may not ship enough units by 5 Nov to U.S., 
>>> thus to South Africa will probably take another million years, plus cost, 
>>> at $1000 starting, by the time South Africa gets it it will cost 
>>> excessively more than the 8 and 8+.  Wondering if worth waiting vs the 
>>> price.
>>> 
>>> Do any of you have your 8 or 8+ yet, and what are your thoughts on the 
>>> phone speed, feel, speakers, battery, etc.
>>> 
>>> Thanks / Regards
>>> Carl de Campos
>>> SQL DBA
>>> Business Connection
>>> Cell:  0614184262
>>> E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> “Check out my Youtube channel where I review Some Assistive Tech, interview 
>>> other blind achievers, trains, out-door and more to follow””
>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo6pgDobJut1AxNypVAOcqg
>>> 
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Re: Iphone 8 VS 8+ or X

[Maria Reyes]

Actually optical image stabilization is only available on the iPhone X

Maria Reyes 
Owner of the following groups: Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io 
iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com

> On Oct 6, 2017, at 2:36 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, I think optical image stabilization is only available on the 8+, and 
> to be honest I am very happy with my 6s for both sound quality and general 
> usage. Enough said and good luck with your decision making.
> 
>> On 6 Oct 2017, at 06:53, Carl John de Campos  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m due for an upgrade soonand I’ve used my 6S 64 GB space gray for the past 
>> two years.
>> 
>> I’m firstly considering the Iphone 8 vs the 8+, of which the better reported 
>> battery life and larger screen work area (I also type a lot onscreen), are 
>> cons for the +, but smaller pocket size and cheaper price are cons for the 8.
>> 
>> I think the cameras are the same between the two so for youtube video making 
>> and OCR work they should be identical, but I have the following questions:
>> 
>> Do both 8 and 8+ have optical image stabilization?
>> Do both 8 and 8+ have stereo speakers, and do you think they would sound 
>> exactly the same (listening to audio books and youtube very important for 
>> better sound on phone speakers)?
>> And are there any other worth while mentioning differences between the two?
>> 
>> And lastly, I think the X would be everyone’s dream phone, but I already 
>> hear production is low and they may not ship enough units by 5 Nov to U.S., 
>> thus to South Africa will probably take another million years, plus cost, at 
>> $1000 starting, by the time South Africa gets it it will cost excessively 
>> more than the 8 and 8+.  Wondering if worth waiting vs the price.
>> 
>> Do any of you have your 8 or 8+ yet, and what are your thoughts on the phone 
>> speed, feel, speakers, battery, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks / Regards
>> Carl de Campos
>> SQL DBA
>> Business Connection
>> Cell:  0614184262
>> E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
>> 
>> “Check out my Youtube channel where I review Some Assistive Tech, interview 
>> other blind achievers, trains, out-door and more to follow””
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Re: Iphone 8 VS 8+ or X

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I think optical image stabilization is only available on the 8+, and to 
be honest I am very happy with my 6s for both sound quality and general usage. 
Enough said and good luck with your decision making.

> On 6 Oct 2017, at 06:53, Carl John de Campos  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> I’m due for an upgrade soonand I’ve used my 6S 64 GB space gray for the past 
> two years.
>  
> I’m firstly considering the Iphone 8 vs the 8+, of which the better reported 
> battery life and larger screen work area (I also type a lot onscreen), are 
> cons for the +, but smaller pocket size and cheaper price are cons for the 8.
>  
> I think the cameras are the same between the two so for youtube video making 
> and OCR work they should be identical, but I have the following questions:
>  
> Do both 8 and 8+ have optical image stabilization?
> Do both 8 and 8+ have stereo speakers, and do you think they would sound 
> exactly the same (listening to audio books and youtube very important for 
> better sound on phone speakers)?
> And are there any other worth while mentioning differences between the two?
>  
> And lastly, I think the X would be everyone’s dream phone, but I already hear 
> production is low and they may not ship enough units by 5 Nov to U.S., thus 
> to South Africa will probably take another million years, plus cost, at $1000 
> starting, by the time South Africa gets it it will cost excessively more than 
> the 8 and 8+.  Wondering if worth waiting vs the price.
>  
> Do any of you have your 8 or 8+ yet, and what are your thoughts on the phone 
> speed, feel, speakers, battery, etc.
>  
> Thanks / Regards
> Carl de Campos
> SQL DBA
> Business Connection
> Cell:  0614184262
> E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
>  
> “Check out my Youtube channel where I review Some Assistive Tech, interview 
> other blind achievers, trains, out-door and more to follow””
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo6pgDobJut1AxNypVAOcqg
>  
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RE: Iphone 8 VS 8+ or X

[Carl John de Campos]

Hi Sieghard,

 

Thanks for the excellent advise, I was also considering that option, as my 
carrier have various options for call time and Data at much cheaper rates than 
with the device, as I agree with you, the 6S is still pretty fast, battery is 
OK, and OCR won’t improve much on the newer phones, and video / camera quality 
is fine for what I use it for, it will most likely be better to wait for Iphone 
8S/9/11 next year which should have all the X features standardized.

 

 

 

Thanks / Regards

Carl de Campos

SQL DBA

Business Connection

Cell:  0614184262

E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com

 

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achievers, review assistive tech, share my love for trains, cars, horses, 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2017 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 8 VS 8+ or X

 

Hi Carl,

 

I have a 6S Plus so I’m very much in the same position as you with your 6S. I 
am still very satisfied with the speed of my 6S Plus, yes, of course the A11 
Bionic will be a lot faster than the A9, but if that is really that noticeable 
with what I do is questionable. The same goes for the camera, I do believe the 
8 also has optical image stabilization now, but for OCR and object recognition 
etc. the 6S/6S Plus also work great.

I decided to definitely wait this one out, my guess is that next year all 
iPhones will have OLED screens and Face Id so where you would pay a pretty 
steep premium for this now, next year you may not. If you now have an 
off-contract phone then why not try and go to a provider if you have them in 
South Africa where you can maybe save a bit each months, here in Canada we 
don’t have as much choice as in the US or in many european countries, but since 
I am not on contract any more, I was able to find a $49/months plan which gives 
me unlimited calls and texts across Canada and 6 Gb of data. Before when I was 
under contract I paid $30 more for unlimited calls/texts but with only 3 Gb of 
data. $30 over one year is $360 which I will save in just that one year that I 
am keeping my 6S Plus.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carl John de Campos
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 8 VS 8+ or X

 

Hi all,

 

I’m due for an upgrade soonand I’ve used my 6S 64 GB space gray for the past 
two years.

 

I’m firstly considering the Iphone 8 vs the 8+, of which the better reported 
battery life and larger screen work area (I also type a lot onscreen), are cons 
for the +, but smaller pocket size and cheaper price are cons for the 8.

 

I think the cameras are the same between the two so for youtube video making 
and OCR work they should be identical, but I have the following questions:

 

Do both 8 and 8+ have optical image stabilization?

Do both 8 and 8+ have stereo speakers, and do you think they would sound 
exactly the same (listening to audio books and youtube very important for 
better sound on phone speakers)?

And are there any other worth while mentioning differences between the two?

 

And lastly, I think the X would be everyone’s dream phone, but I already hear 
production is low and they may not ship enough units by 5 Nov to U.S., thus to 
South Africa will probably take another million years, plus cost, at $1000 
starting, by the time South Africa gets it it will cost excessively more than 
the 8 and 8+.  Wondering if worth waiting vs the price.

 

Do any of you have your 8 or 8+ yet, and what are your thoughts on the phone 
speed, feel, speakers, battery, etc.

 

Thanks / Regards

Carl de Campos

SQL DBA

Business Connection

Cell:  0614184262

E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com

 

“Check out my Youtube channel where I review Some Assistive Tech, interview 
other blind achievers, trains, out-door and more to follow””

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo6pgDobJut1AxNypVAOcqg

 

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RE: Iphone 8 VS 8+ or X

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Carl,

I have a 6S Plus so I’m very much in the same position as you with your 6S. I 
am still very satisfied with the speed of my 6S Plus, yes, of course the A11 
Bionic will be a lot faster than the A9, but if that is really that noticeable 
with what I do is questionable. The same goes for the camera, I do believe the 
8 also has optical image stabilization now, but for OCR and object recognition 
etc. the 6S/6S Plus also work great.
I decided to definitely wait this one out, my guess is that next year all 
iPhones will have OLED screens and Face Id so where you would pay a pretty 
steep premium for this now, next year you may not. If you now have an 
off-contract phone then why not try and go to a provider if you have them in 
South Africa where you can maybe save a bit each months, here in Canada we 
don’t have as much choice as in the US or in many european countries, but since 
I am not on contract any more, I was able to find a $49/months plan which gives 
me unlimited calls and texts across Canada and 6 Gb of data. Before when I was 
under contract I paid $30 more for unlimited calls/texts but with only 3 Gb of 
data. $30 over one year is $360 which I will save in just that one year that I 
am keeping my 6S Plus.

Regards,
Sieghard

Regards,
Sieghard

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Carl John de Campos
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:54 PM
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Subject: Iphone 8 VS 8+ or X

Hi all,

I’m due for an upgrade soonand I’ve used my 6S 64 GB space gray for the past 
two years.

I’m firstly considering the Iphone 8 vs the 8+, of which the better reported 
battery life and larger screen work area (I also type a lot onscreen), are cons 
for the +, but smaller pocket size and cheaper price are cons for the 8.

I think the cameras are the same between the two so for youtube video making 
and OCR work they should be identical, but I have the following questions:

Do both 8 and 8+ have optical image stabilization?
Do both 8 and 8+ have stereo speakers, and do you think they would sound 
exactly the same (listening to audio books and youtube very important for 
better sound on phone speakers)?
And are there any other worth while mentioning differences between the two?

And lastly, I think the X would be everyone’s dream phone, but I already hear 
production is low and they may not ship enough units by 5 Nov to U.S., thus to 
South Africa will probably take another million years, plus cost, at $1000 
starting, by the time South Africa gets it it will cost excessively more than 
the 8 and 8+.  Wondering if worth waiting vs the price.

Do any of you have your 8 or 8+ yet, and what are your thoughts on the phone 
speed, feel, speakers, battery, etc.

Thanks / Regards
Carl de Campos
SQL DBA
Business Connection
Cell:  0614184262
E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com<mailto:carljdecam...@gmail.com>

“Check out my Youtube channel where I review Some Assistive Tech, interview 
other blind achievers, trains, out-door and more to follow””
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Iphone 8 VS 8+ or X

[Carl John de Campos]

Hi all,

 

I'm due for an upgrade soonand I've used my 6S 64 GB space gray for the past
two years.

 

I'm firstly considering the Iphone 8 vs the 8+, of which the better reported
battery life and larger screen work area (I also type a lot onscreen), are
cons for the +, but smaller pocket size and cheaper price are cons for the
8.

 

I think the cameras are the same between the two so for youtube video making
and OCR work they should be identical, but I have the following questions:

 

Do both 8 and 8+ have optical image stabilization?

Do both 8 and 8+ have stereo speakers, and do you think they would sound
exactly the same (listening to audio books and youtube very important for
better sound on phone speakers)?

And are there any other worth while mentioning differences between the two?

 

And lastly, I think the X would be everyone's dream phone, but I already
hear production is low and they may not ship enough units by 5 Nov to U.S.,
thus to South Africa will probably take another million years, plus cost, at
$1000 starting, by the time South Africa gets it it will cost excessively
more than the 8 and 8+.  Wondering if worth waiting vs the price.

 

Do any of you have your 8 or 8+ yet, and what are your thoughts on the phone
speed, feel, speakers, battery, etc.

 

Thanks / Regards

Carl de Campos

SQL DBA

Business Connection

Cell:  0614184262

E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com

 

"Check out my Youtube channel where I review Some Assistive Tech, interview
other blind achievers, trains, out-door and more to follow""

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