Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

2015-02-24 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Well, when I read "Do it right, and the screen reader will say it right. 
 Doesn't anyone notice??" I thought that was a bit condescending and 
off putting to us list members. I never noticed it wasn't capitalized 
correctly, so that put me in the category of people that didn't notice. 
I also don't think it's an important distinction, so again, makes me 
feel like you think less of me when you word something like that. I'm 
offering this as constructive criticism myself in case you want to 
understand how your message was perceived by at least one list member. 
If you want to write me off as just being too sensitive and thin 
skinned, I'm OK with that.


Reminds me of the person who pointed out that the 's' in iPhone 5s isn't 
capitalized, since it would look too much like another 5. I thought that 
was an interesting bit of information and it was presented in an 
informative way which didn't put anyone down or make anyone feel bad.



On 02/24/2015 11:37 AM, Charles Rivard wrote:

Once you do know the spelling, problem solved.  Alerting you to it is
constructive criticism only.

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
finished, you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - From: "Pinky" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


Charles,
Please remember that there are a  lot of us using screen readers that
are very hard of hearing like myself. We don't always hear everything
that our screen reader's announce those slight differences in sounds.
So please think about it next time you hear something that is not
spelled correctly that it might be someone with a severe hearing
impairment. Also remember there are people with dramatic brain injuries,
stroke victims, and a number of other disabilities that could keep them
from spelling correctly.  Also there are some of us that with our being
severely hard of hearing all our lives that we could never hear the
correct spelling of words so our spelling is not very good due to not
being able to hear words correctly.

Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

Charles, no one is going to be looking for a job with Apple based on
their writing skills on this list. So personally I think you are making
a bigger deal over something that is very trivial. I know very many
people who are very intelligent and who have professional jobs, who
write for a living even, and yet their email style of writing is
atrocious by grammar standards. I seriously doubt that you would be
turned down for a job with Apple if you wrote iTunes with a small T.
Seriously man, let's talk about more important things on the list.




On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:

Enunciation is sometimes important to make your meaning clear.  Also
iTunes is correct, while itunes or other typos give the impression of
not knowing what you're talking about, even though it may not be the
case.  I would be embarrassed if I were to write to Apple about
Itunes, and I'll bet that I wouldn't be able to get employment with
the impression I give.

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
finished, you! really! are! finished!
----- Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


So you changed the subject line just to correct the capitalization of
iTunes? It took me a while to figure out that was the only change you
made. I guess my hearing isn't as sensitive as yours, since I didn't
notice it myself. I'm not sure we need to be this picky about the
spelling of our subject lines. I mean this wouldn't affect anyone's
ability to search for this information in the archives.


On 02/23/2015 05:50 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:

---
Just had to change the subject line due to the incorrectness.  Do it
right, and the screen reader will say it right.  Doesn't anyone
notice??Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think
you're finished, you! really! are! finished!

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Wendy Alling <mailto:wendall...@comcast.net>
   *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 4:03 PM
   *Subject:* RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes

   Yes, I did reboot the computer.  Seems to be working fine except for
   when I am in the Itunes store.  Links won’t  open to preview songs
   and the search doesn’t work.

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   The following information is important for all members of the
   viphone list. All new members

RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

2015-02-24 Thread Juan Hernandez
"Good communication skill" ???

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

I know that the purpose of the list is learning and discussing how to use the 
phones.  I also know the importance of good communication skill.  It's a shame 
you won't even try to see constructive criticism.  Seeing as I'm fed up with 
people who flat out refuse to only see their side, screw it.  I'm gone.

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: "Jidé Jhyde" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


Your side of the coin isn't relevant on this list. We are not interested in
being tutored in our spelling of iTunes. All we're interested in is how to
make the best use of our iPhones. If you so want to terach people how to
spell, why not look for a list that welcomes that.

Cheers,

Kazeem


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: 24 February 2015 18:27
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

I'm not on a high horse.  How about opening your mind to both sides of the
coin?

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Jidé Jhyde" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


Charles, come on, get off your high horse! Like you've been told several
times, this list is for acquiring knowledge of using the iPhone and not
learning to spell Itunes, itunes or iTunes.

Cheers,

Kazeem


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: 24 February 2015 17:38
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

Once you do know the spelling, problem solved.  Alerting you to it is
constructive criticism only.

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -----
From: "Pinky" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


Charles,
Please remember that there are a  lot of us using screen readers that are
very hard of hearing like myself. We don't always hear everything that our
screen reader's announce those slight differences in sounds.  So please
think about it next time you hear something that is not spelled correctly
that it might be someone with a severe hearing impairment. Also remember
there are people with dramatic brain injuries, stroke victims, and a number
of other disabilities that could keep them from spelling correctly.  Also
there are some of us that with our being severely hard of hearing all our
lives that we could never hear the correct spelling of words so our spelling
is not very good due to not being able to hear words correctly.

Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

Charles, no one is going to be looking for a job with Apple based on their
writing skills on this list. So personally I think you are making a bigger
deal over something that is very trivial. I know very many people who are
very intelligent and who have professional jobs, who write for a living
even, and yet their email style of writing is atrocious by grammar
standards. I seriously doubt that you would be turned down for a job with
Apple if you wrote iTunes with a small T. Seriously man, let's talk about
more important things on the list.



> On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:
>
> Enunciation is sometimes important to make your meaning clear.  Also
> iTunes is correct, while itunes or other typos give the impression of
> not knowing what you're talking about, even though it may not be the
> case.  I would be embarrassed if I were to write to Apple about
> Itunes, and I'll bet that I wouldn't be able to get employment with
> the
impression I give.
>
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
> finished, you! really! are! finished!
> - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes
>
>
> So you chang

Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

2015-02-24 Thread Charles Rivard
I know that the purpose of the list is learning and discussing how to use 
the phones.  I also know the importance of good communication skill.  It's a 
shame you won't even try to see constructive criticism.  Seeing as I'm fed 
up with people who flat out refuse to only see their side, screw it.  I'm 
gone.


---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: "Jidé Jhyde" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


Your side of the coin isn't relevant on this list. We are not interested in
being tutored in our spelling of iTunes. All we're interested in is how to
make the best use of our iPhones. If you so want to terach people how to
spell, why not look for a list that welcomes that.

Cheers,

Kazeem


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: 24 February 2015 18:27
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

I'm not on a high horse.  How about opening your mind to both sides of the
coin?

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Jidé Jhyde" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


Charles, come on, get off your high horse! Like you've been told several
times, this list is for acquiring knowledge of using the iPhone and not
learning to spell Itunes, itunes or iTunes.

Cheers,

Kazeem


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: 24 February 2015 17:38
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

Once you do know the spelling, problem solved.  Alerting you to it is
constructive criticism only.

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Pinky" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


Charles,
Please remember that there are a  lot of us using screen readers that are
very hard of hearing like myself. We don't always hear everything that our
screen reader's announce those slight differences in sounds.  So please
think about it next time you hear something that is not spelled correctly
that it might be someone with a severe hearing impairment. Also remember
there are people with dramatic brain injuries, stroke victims, and a number
of other disabilities that could keep them from spelling correctly.  Also
there are some of us that with our being severely hard of hearing all our
lives that we could never hear the correct spelling of words so our spelling
is not very good due to not being able to hear words correctly.

Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

Charles, no one is going to be looking for a job with Apple based on their
writing skills on this list. So personally I think you are making a bigger
deal over something that is very trivial. I know very many people who are
very intelligent and who have professional jobs, who write for a living
even, and yet their email style of writing is atrocious by grammar
standards. I seriously doubt that you would be turned down for a job with
Apple if you wrote iTunes with a small T. Seriously man, let's talk about
more important things on the list.




On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:

Enunciation is sometimes important to make your meaning clear.  Also
iTunes is correct, while itunes or other typos give the impression of
not knowing what you're talking about, even though it may not be the
case.  I would be embarrassed if I were to write to Apple about
Itunes, and I'll bet that I wouldn't be able to get employment with
the

impression I give.


---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
finished, you! really! are! finished!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


So you changed the subject line just to correct the capitalization of
iTunes? It took me a while to figure out that was the only change you
made. I guess my hearing isn't as sensitive as yours, since I didn't
notice it myself. I'm not sure we need to be this picky about the
spelling of our subject lines. I mean this wouldn't affect anyone's
ability to search for 

RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

2015-02-24 Thread Jidé Jhyde
Your side of the coin isn't relevant on this list. We are not interested in
being tutored in our spelling of iTunes. All we're interested in is how to
make the best use of our iPhones. If you so want to terach people how to
spell, why not look for a list that welcomes that.

Cheers,

Kazeem
 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: 24 February 2015 18:27
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

I'm not on a high horse.  How about opening your mind to both sides of the
coin?

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Jidé Jhyde" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


Charles, come on, get off your high horse! Like you've been told several
times, this list is for acquiring knowledge of using the iPhone and not
learning to spell Itunes, itunes or iTunes.

Cheers,

Kazeem


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: 24 February 2015 17:38
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

Once you do know the spelling, problem solved.  Alerting you to it is
constructive criticism only.

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Pinky" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


Charles,
Please remember that there are a  lot of us using screen readers that are
very hard of hearing like myself. We don't always hear everything that our
screen reader's announce those slight differences in sounds.  So please
think about it next time you hear something that is not spelled correctly
that it might be someone with a severe hearing impairment. Also remember
there are people with dramatic brain injuries, stroke victims, and a number
of other disabilities that could keep them from spelling correctly.  Also
there are some of us that with our being severely hard of hearing all our
lives that we could never hear the correct spelling of words so our spelling
is not very good due to not being able to hear words correctly.

Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

Charles, no one is going to be looking for a job with Apple based on their
writing skills on this list. So personally I think you are making a bigger
deal over something that is very trivial. I know very many people who are
very intelligent and who have professional jobs, who write for a living
even, and yet their email style of writing is atrocious by grammar
standards. I seriously doubt that you would be turned down for a job with
Apple if you wrote iTunes with a small T. Seriously man, let's talk about
more important things on the list.



> On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:
>
> Enunciation is sometimes important to make your meaning clear.  Also 
> iTunes is correct, while itunes or other typos give the impression of 
> not knowing what you're talking about, even though it may not be the 
> case.  I would be embarrassed if I were to write to Apple about 
> Itunes, and I'll bet that I wouldn't be able to get employment with 
> the
impression I give.
>
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
> finished, you! really! are! finished!
> - Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes
>
>
> So you changed the subject line just to correct the capitalization of 
> iTunes? It took me a while to figure out that was the only change you 
> made. I guess my hearing isn't as sensitive as yours, since I didn't 
> notice it myself. I'm not sure we need to be this picky about the 
> spelling of our subject lines. I mean this wouldn't affect anyone's 
> ability to search for this information in the archives.
>
>> On 02/23/2015 05:50 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:
>>
>> ---
>> Just had to change the subject line due to the incorrectness.  Do it 
>> right, and the screen reader will say it right.  Doesn't anyone 
>> notice??Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think 
>> you're finished, you! really! are! finished!
>>
>>----- Original Message -
>>*From

Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

2015-02-24 Thread Charles Rivard
I'm not on a high horse.  How about opening your mind to both sides of the 
coin?


---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: "Jidé Jhyde" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


Charles, come on, get off your high horse! Like you've been told several
times, this list is for acquiring knowledge of using the iPhone and not
learning to spell Itunes, itunes or iTunes.

Cheers,

Kazeem


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: 24 February 2015 17:38
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

Once you do know the spelling, problem solved.  Alerting you to it is
constructive criticism only.

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Pinky" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


Charles,
Please remember that there are a  lot of us using screen readers that are
very hard of hearing like myself. We don't always hear everything that our
screen reader's announce those slight differences in sounds.  So please
think about it next time you hear something that is not spelled correctly
that it might be someone with a severe hearing impairment. Also remember
there are people with dramatic brain injuries, stroke victims, and a number
of other disabilities that could keep them from spelling correctly.  Also
there are some of us that with our being severely hard of hearing all our
lives that we could never hear the correct spelling of words so our spelling
is not very good due to not being able to hear words correctly.

Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

Charles, no one is going to be looking for a job with Apple based on their
writing skills on this list. So personally I think you are making a bigger
deal over something that is very trivial. I know very many people who are
very intelligent and who have professional jobs, who write for a living
even, and yet their email style of writing is atrocious by grammar
standards. I seriously doubt that you would be turned down for a job with
Apple if you wrote iTunes with a small T. Seriously man, let's talk about
more important things on the list.




On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:

Enunciation is sometimes important to make your meaning clear.  Also
iTunes is correct, while itunes or other typos give the impression of
not knowing what you're talking about, even though it may not be the
case.  I would be embarrassed if I were to write to Apple about
Itunes, and I'll bet that I wouldn't be able to get employment with the

impression I give.


---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
finished, you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


So you changed the subject line just to correct the capitalization of
iTunes? It took me a while to figure out that was the only change you
made. I guess my hearing isn't as sensitive as yours, since I didn't
notice it myself. I'm not sure we need to be this picky about the
spelling of our subject lines. I mean this wouldn't affect anyone's
ability to search for this information in the archives.


On 02/23/2015 05:50 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:

---
Just had to change the subject line due to the incorrectness.  Do it
right, and the screen reader will say it right.  Doesn't anyone
notice??Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think
you're finished, you! really! are! finished!

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Wendy Alling <mailto:wendall...@comcast.net>
   *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 4:03 PM
   *Subject:* RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes

   Yes, I did reboot the computer.  Seems to be working fine except for
   when I am in the Itunes store.  Links won’t  open to preview songs
   and the search doesn’t work.

   --
   The following information is important for all members of the
   viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by
   default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of
   this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate,
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RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

2015-02-24 Thread Jidé Jhyde
Charles, come on, get off your high horse! Like you've been told several
times, this list is for acquiring knowledge of using the iPhone and not
learning to spell Itunes, itunes or iTunes.

Cheers,

Kazeem


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: 24 February 2015 17:38
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

Once you do know the spelling, problem solved.  Alerting you to it is
constructive criticism only.

---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Pinky" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


Charles,
Please remember that there are a  lot of us using screen readers that are
very hard of hearing like myself. We don't always hear everything that our
screen reader's announce those slight differences in sounds.  So please
think about it next time you hear something that is not spelled correctly
that it might be someone with a severe hearing impairment. Also remember
there are people with dramatic brain injuries, stroke victims, and a number
of other disabilities that could keep them from spelling correctly.  Also
there are some of us that with our being severely hard of hearing all our
lives that we could never hear the correct spelling of words so our spelling
is not very good due to not being able to hear words correctly.

Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

Charles, no one is going to be looking for a job with Apple based on their
writing skills on this list. So personally I think you are making a bigger
deal over something that is very trivial. I know very many people who are
very intelligent and who have professional jobs, who write for a living
even, and yet their email style of writing is atrocious by grammar
standards. I seriously doubt that you would be turned down for a job with
Apple if you wrote iTunes with a small T. Seriously man, let's talk about
more important things on the list.



> On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:
>
> Enunciation is sometimes important to make your meaning clear.  Also 
> iTunes is correct, while itunes or other typos give the impression of 
> not knowing what you're talking about, even though it may not be the 
> case.  I would be embarrassed if I were to write to Apple about 
> Itunes, and I'll bet that I wouldn't be able to get employment with the
impression I give.
>
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're 
> finished, you! really! are! finished!
> - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes
>
>
> So you changed the subject line just to correct the capitalization of 
> iTunes? It took me a while to figure out that was the only change you 
> made. I guess my hearing isn't as sensitive as yours, since I didn't 
> notice it myself. I'm not sure we need to be this picky about the 
> spelling of our subject lines. I mean this wouldn't affect anyone's 
> ability to search for this information in the archives.
>
>> On 02/23/2015 05:50 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:
>>
>> ---
>> Just had to change the subject line due to the incorrectness.  Do it 
>> right, and the screen reader will say it right.  Doesn't anyone 
>> notice??Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think 
>> you're finished, you! really! are! finished!
>>
>>    - Original Message -----
>>    *From:* Wendy Alling <mailto:wendall...@comcast.net>
>>*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>*Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 4:03 PM
>>*Subject:* RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes
>>
>>Yes, I did reboot the computer.  Seems to be working fine except for
>>when I am in the Itunes store.  Links won’t  open to preview songs
>>and the search doesn’t work.
>>
>>--
>>The following information is important for all members of the
>>viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by
>>default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of
>>this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate,
>>please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting
>>on the li

Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

2015-02-24 Thread Charles Rivard
Once you do know the spelling, problem solved.  Alerting you to it is 
constructive criticism only.


---
Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: "Pinky" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


Charles,
Please remember that there are a  lot of us using screen readers that are 
very hard of hearing like myself. We don't always hear everything that our 
screen reader's announce those slight differences in sounds.  So please 
think about it next time you hear something that is not spelled correctly 
that it might be someone with a severe hearing impairment. Also remember 
there are people with dramatic brain injuries, stroke victims, and a number 
of other disabilities that could keep them from spelling correctly.  Also 
there are some of us that with our being severely hard of hearing all our 
lives that we could never hear the correct spelling of words so our spelling 
is not very good due to not being able to hear words correctly.


Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Raul A. Gallegos

Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

Charles, no one is going to be looking for a job with Apple based on their 
writing skills on this list. So personally I think you are making a bigger 
deal over something that is very trivial. I know very many people who are 
very intelligent and who have professional jobs, who write for a living 
even, and yet their email style of writing is atrocious by grammar 
standards. I seriously doubt that you would be turned down for a job with 
Apple if you wrote iTunes with a small T. Seriously man, let's talk about 
more important things on the list.





On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:

Enunciation is sometimes important to make your meaning clear.  Also 
iTunes is correct, while itunes or other typos give the impression of not 
knowing what you're talking about, even though it may not be the case.  I 
would be embarrassed if I were to write to Apple about Itunes, and I'll 
bet that I wouldn't be able to get employment with the impression I give.


---
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finished, you! really! are! finished!

- Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain"

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


So you changed the subject line just to correct the capitalization of
iTunes? It took me a while to figure out that was the only change you
made. I guess my hearing isn't as sensitive as yours, since I didn't
notice it myself. I'm not sure we need to be this picky about the
spelling of our subject lines. I mean this wouldn't affect anyone's
ability to search for this information in the archives.


On 02/23/2015 05:50 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:

---
Just had to change the subject line due to the incorrectness.  Do it
right, and the screen reader will say it right.  Doesn't anyone
notice??Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think
you're finished, you! really! are! finished!

   - Original Message -
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   *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 4:03 PM
   *Subject:* RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes

   Yes, I did reboot the computer.  Seems to be working fine except for
   when I am in the Itunes store.  Links won’t  open to preview songs
   and the search doesn’t work.

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RE: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

2015-02-24 Thread Pinky
Charles,
Please remember that there are a  lot of us using screen readers that are very 
hard of hearing like myself. We don't always hear everything that our screen 
reader's announce those slight differences in sounds.  So please think about it 
next time you hear something that is not spelled correctly that it might be 
someone with a severe hearing impairment. Also remember there are people with 
dramatic brain injuries, stroke victims, and a number of other disabilities 
that could keep them from spelling correctly.  Also there are some of us that 
with our being severely hard of hearing all our lives that we could never hear 
the correct spelling of words so our spelling is not very good due to not being 
able to hear words correctly.

Ed 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

Charles, no one is going to be looking for a job with Apple based on their 
writing skills on this list. So personally I think you are making a bigger deal 
over something that is very trivial. I know very many people who are very 
intelligent and who have professional jobs, who write for a living even, and 
yet their email style of writing is atrocious by grammar standards. I seriously 
doubt that you would be turned down for a job with Apple if you wrote iTunes 
with a small T. Seriously man, let's talk about more important things on the 
list.



> On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> 
> Enunciation is sometimes important to make your meaning clear.  Also iTunes 
> is correct, while itunes or other typos give the impression of not knowing 
> what you're talking about, even though it may not be the case.  I would be 
> embarrassed if I were to write to Apple about Itunes, and I'll bet that I 
> wouldn't be able to get employment with the impression I give.
> 
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
> you! really! are! finished!
> - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes
> 
> 
> So you changed the subject line just to correct the capitalization of 
> iTunes? It took me a while to figure out that was the only change you 
> made. I guess my hearing isn't as sensitive as yours, since I didn't 
> notice it myself. I'm not sure we need to be this picky about the 
> spelling of our subject lines. I mean this wouldn't affect anyone's 
> ability to search for this information in the archives.
> 
>> On 02/23/2015 05:50 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:
>> 
>> ---
>> Just had to change the subject line due to the incorrectness.  Do it 
>> right, and the screen reader will say it right.  Doesn't anyone 
>> notice??Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think 
>> you're finished, you! really! are! finished!
>> 
>>- Original Message -----
>>*From:* Wendy Alling <mailto:wendall...@comcast.net>
>>*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>*Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 4:03 PM
>>*Subject:* RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes
>> 
>>Yes, I did reboot the computer.  Seems to be working fine except for
>>when I am in the Itunes store.  Links won’t  open to preview songs
>>and the search doesn’t work.
>> 
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Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

2015-02-23 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Charles, no one is going to be looking for a job with Apple based on their 
writing skills on this list. So personally I think you are making a bigger deal 
over something that is very trivial. I know very many people who are very 
intelligent and who have professional jobs, who write for a living even, and 
yet their email style of writing is atrocious by grammar standards. I seriously 
doubt that you would be turned down for a job with Apple if you wrote iTunes 
with a small T. Seriously man, let's talk about more important things on the 
list.



> On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> 
> Enunciation is sometimes important to make your meaning clear.  Also iTunes 
> is correct, while itunes or other typos give the impression of not knowing 
> what you're talking about, even though it may not be the case.  I would be 
> embarrassed if I were to write to Apple about Itunes, and I'll bet that I 
> wouldn't be able to get employment with the impression I give.
> 
> ---
> Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
> you! really! are! finished!
> - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes
> 
> 
> So you changed the subject line just to correct the capitalization of
> iTunes? It took me a while to figure out that was the only change you
> made. I guess my hearing isn't as sensitive as yours, since I didn't
> notice it myself. I'm not sure we need to be this picky about the
> spelling of our subject lines. I mean this wouldn't affect anyone's
> ability to search for this information in the archives.
> 
>> On 02/23/2015 05:50 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:
>> 
>> ---
>> Just had to change the subject line due to the incorrectness.  Do it
>> right, and the screen reader will say it right.  Doesn't anyone
>> notice??Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think
>> you're finished, you! really! are! finished!
>> 
>>- Original Message -
>>    *From:* Wendy Alling <mailto:wendall...@comcast.net>
>>*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>*Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 4:03 PM
>>*Subject:* RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes
>> 
>>Yes, I did reboot the computer.  Seems to be working fine except for
>>when I am in the Itunes store.  Links won’t  open to preview songs
>>and the search doesn’t work.
>> 
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Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

2015-02-23 Thread Charles Rivard
Enunciation is sometimes important to make your meaning clear.  Also iTunes 
is correct, while itunes or other typos give the impression of not knowing 
what you're talking about, even though it may not be the case.  I would be 
embarrassed if I were to write to Apple about Itunes, and I'll bet that I 
wouldn't be able to get employment with the impression I give.


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you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes


So you changed the subject line just to correct the capitalization of
iTunes? It took me a while to figure out that was the only change you
made. I guess my hearing isn't as sensitive as yours, since I didn't
notice it myself. I'm not sure we need to be this picky about the
spelling of our subject lines. I mean this wouldn't affect anyone's
ability to search for this information in the archives.

On 02/23/2015 05:50 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:


---
Just had to change the subject line due to the incorrectness.  Do it
right, and the screen reader will say it right.  Doesn't anyone
notice??Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think
you're finished, you! really! are! finished!

- Original Message -
*From:* Wendy Alling <mailto:wendall...@comcast.net>
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 4:03 PM
*Subject:* RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes

Yes, I did reboot the computer.  Seems to be working fine except for
when I am in the Itunes store.  Links won’t  open to preview songs
and the search doesn’t work.

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Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

2015-02-23 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Not only that, but if Charles wanted to get that technical, he should have also 
changed window eyes to Window-Eyes. I think the Charles is assuming that 
everyone uses the mix capitalization feature that many screen readers use as a 
default. What this means is that when it is a lowercase I followed by an 
uppercase letter, it will separate the word in the way it pronounces it by an 
extra syllable. Hence iTunes and itunes. However, all of this to say that if 
anyone search is the archives, they will not miss finding messages whether 
certain things are capitalized or hyphenated or not. So let's move onto more 
relevant and meaningful discussions.



> On Feb 23, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> So you changed the subject line just to correct the capitalization of iTunes? 
> It took me a while to figure out that was the only change you made. I guess 
> my hearing isn't as sensitive as yours, since I didn't notice it myself. I'm 
> not sure we need to be this picky about the spelling of our subject lines. I 
> mean this wouldn't affect anyone's ability to search for this information in 
> the archives.
> 
>> On 02/23/2015 05:50 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:
>> 
>> ---
>> Just had to change the subject line due to the incorrectness.  Do it
>> right, and the screen reader will say it right.  Doesn't anyone
>> notice??Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think
>> you're finished, you! really! are! finished!
>> 
>>- Original Message -
>>*From:* Wendy Alling <mailto:wendall...@comcast.net>
>>*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>*Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 4:03 PM
>>*Subject:* RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes
>> 
>>Yes, I did reboot the computer.  Seems to be working fine except for
>>when I am in the Itunes store.  Links won’t  open to preview songs
>>and the search doesn’t work.
>> 
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Re: Itunes and latest version of window eyes

2015-02-23 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Hi there. I am using the latest version of both and am able to use it just 
fine. The iTunes Store does work, but it is not using the newly enhanced browse 
mode which is included as part of window eyes version nine.



> On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Wendy Alling  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Anyone on the list using window eyes 9.0 and the latest version of Itunes?
> The Itunes store does not work properly.  Anyone else having this problem?  
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Re: iTunes and latest version of window eyes

2015-02-23 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Charles. Maybe I am not getting your town over email since you can't really 
attaching motion, however can you tell me what you mean by your below message? 
To some people it might sound a tad bit condescending.



> On Feb 23, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> ---
> Just had to change the subject line due to the incorrectness.  Do it right, 
> and the screen reader will say it right.  Doesn't anyone notice??Be positive! 
>  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! 
> are! finished!
> - Original Message -
> From: Wendy Alling
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 4:03 PM
> Subject: RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes
> 
> Yes, I did reboot the computer.  Seems to be working fine except for when I 
> am in the Itunes store.  Links won’t  open to preview songs and the search 
> doesn’t work.
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Re: iTunes and latest version of Window Eyes

2015-02-23 Thread Christopher Chaltain
So you changed the subject line just to correct the capitalization of 
iTunes? It took me a while to figure out that was the only change you 
made. I guess my hearing isn't as sensitive as yours, since I didn't 
notice it myself. I'm not sure we need to be this picky about the 
spelling of our subject lines. I mean this wouldn't affect anyone's 
ability to search for this information in the archives.


On 02/23/2015 05:50 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:


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Just had to change the subject line due to the incorrectness.  Do it
right, and the screen reader will say it right.  Doesn't anyone
notice??Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think
you're finished, you! really! are! finished!

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*From:* Wendy Alling <mailto:wendall...@comcast.net>
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 4:03 PM
    *Subject:* RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes

Yes, I did reboot the computer.  Seems to be working fine except for
when I am in the Itunes store.  Links won’t  open to preview songs
and the search doesn’t work.

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Re: iTunes and latest version of window eyes

2015-02-23 Thread Charles Rivard


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Just had to change the subject line due to the incorrectness.  Do it right, and 
the screen reader will say it right.  Doesn't anyone notice??Be positive!  When 
it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! 
finished!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Wendy Alling 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 4:03 PM
  Subject: RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes


  Yes, I did reboot the computer.  Seems to be working fine except for when I 
am in the Itunes store.  Links won’t  open to preview songs and the search 
doesn’t work.


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RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes

2015-02-23 Thread Wendy Alling
Yes, I did reboot the computer.  Seems to be working fine except for when I
am in the Itunes store.  Links won't  open to preview songs and the search
doesn't work.

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Re: Itunes and latest version of window eyes

2015-02-22 Thread Richard Turner
I'm using the latest Window-Eyes and after the 12.1.1 patch it is working much 
better.
I assume you have rebooted the machine after the itunes 12.1.1 install?
Richard




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> On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Wendy Alling  wrote:
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> I am running windows 7 64 bit and I did get the patch and I am running
> Itunes 12.1.1.
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RE: Itunes and latest version of window eyes

2015-02-22 Thread Wendy Alling
I am running windows 7 64 bit and I did get the patch and I am running
Itunes 12.1.1.

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Re: Itunes and latest version of window eyes

2015-02-22 Thread Christopher Chaltain
What version of iTunes are you using and what version of Windows (32-bit 
or 64-bit)? iTunes 12.1 had a bug in their 64-bit screen reader support 
that was discussed quite a bit on this list. A patch was released for 
iTunes 12.1 and this was fixed in iTunes 12.1.1, which was just released 
a few days ago. Check to see if you're running iTunes 12.1, and if you 
have a 64-bit version of Windows running, this could be your issue. Get 
the patch or upgrade to iTunes 12.1.1.


If I'm wrong, maybe you could describe your problem a bit more and 
someone else can jump in to help.


On 02/22/2015 11:16 AM, Wendy Alling wrote:

Hello all,

Anyone on the list using window eyes 9.0 and the latest version of Itunes?
The Itunes store does not work properly.  Anyone else having this problem?



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Itunes and latest version of window eyes

2015-02-22 Thread Wendy Alling
Hello all,

Anyone on the list using window eyes 9.0 and the latest version of Itunes?
The Itunes store does not work properly.  Anyone else having this problem?  

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