Re: Please Confirm a VoiceOver Bug in Native iOS 10 Mail App Regarding Threaded View

2016-09-20 Thread Monica Jones 
I heard in a podcast that folks were having this issue. I haven't been able 
to confirm it because my Uverse AT mail is set to imap, meaning that the 
computer gets it so that the phone doesn't. If I have the computer off, I 
get the mail. If I haven't read the mail on the phone and then turn on the 
phone, it's taken away from the  phone.



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From: M. Taylor

Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:36 AM
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Subject: Please Confirm a VoiceOver Bug in Native iOS 10 Mail App Regarding 
Threaded View


Hello Everyone,

There have been so many posts sent lately that I have lost track so please
indulge me in asking for confirmation of a very annoying bug in the native
iOS 10 Mail app, regarding the threaded view.

Here are my major settings for Mail.

Preview, None.
Organize by Thread, On.
Most Recent Message on Top, Off.
Complete Thread, Off.

Here are the steps I take to read threads:

1.
Open the Mail app.

2.
Place focus on a collapsed thread.

3.
Select Expand Thread via the VoiceOver Rotor.  At this point, the thread
expands downward.

4.
Now, I single-finger swipe to the right in order to move to the first
message listed below the subject line of the thread and, as is expected, the
text of the message is read, out by VoiceOver.

The problem is that, regardless of the status of the, "Most Recent Message
on Top", toggle, the first message just below the thread's subject line is
always the most recent post to the thread.  As a consequence, if I want to
read the original post to a thread, I have to swipe all the way down to the
bottom of the list area and reverse swipe back up.

Does this make sense and are any of you encountering this issue?

Again, thank you for your indulgence on this.

Mark


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Re: Please Confirm a VoiceOver Bug in Native iOS 10 Mail App Regarding Threaded View

2016-09-17 Thread Woody Anna Dresner 
Hi Mark,

Instead of expanding the thread, double-tap to go into it. Then, the oldest 
message will be listed first. Make sure the rotor is set to Messages, which it 
should be automatically, and you can flick down to and read each message easily.

Best,
Anna


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Mark!
> 
> If I understand this correctly it has some logic to me.
> 
> I believe what Apple tried to do in iOS 10 version of Mail app is to make 
> mail corespondence look like conversation. Something like iMessages or texts. 
> If ther original messages would be on every single thread it would be a large 
> clutter. I agree finding the original message is now bit hard to find but I 
> can't see better solution. That's I usually don't use threads because it is 
> confusing me with all those multiple levels, different branches, following 
> who answered what and to whom... 
> I'll turn on threading and check out how it works and if I find something 
> I'll let you all know but I hardly consider this a bug.
> 
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić
> 
>  
>  
> 17.9.2016. u 9:36, M. Taylor je napisao/la:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> There have been so many posts sent lately that I have lost track so please
>> indulge me in asking for confirmation of a very annoying bug in the native
>> iOS 10 Mail app, regarding the threaded view.
>> 
>> Here are my major settings for Mail.  
>> 
>> Preview, None.
>> Organize by Thread, On.
>> Most Recent Message on Top, Off.
>> Complete Thread, Off.
>> 
>> Here are the steps I take to read threads:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Open the Mail app.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Place focus on a collapsed thread.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Select Expand Thread via the VoiceOver Rotor.  At this point, the thread
>> expands downward.  
>> 
>> 4.
>> Now, I single-finger swipe to the right in order to move to the first
>> message listed below the subject line of the thread and, as is expected, the
>> text of the message is read, out by VoiceOver.
>> 
>> The problem is that, regardless of the status of the, "Most Recent Message
>> on Top", toggle, the first message just below the thread's subject line is
>> always the most recent post to the thread.  As a consequence, if I want to
>> read the original post to a thread, I have to swipe all the way down to the
>> bottom of the list area and reverse swipe back up.  
>> 
>> Does this make sense and are any of you encountering this issue?  
>> 
>> Again, thank you for your indulgence on this.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: Please Confirm a VoiceOver Bug in Native iOS 10 Mail App Regarding Threaded View

2016-09-17 Thread Gordan Radić 

  
  
Hi, Mark!
If I understand this correctly it has some logic to me.
I believe what Apple tried to do in iOS 10 version of Mail app is
  to make mail corespondence look like conversation. Something like
  iMessages or texts. If ther original messages would be on every
  single thread it would be a large clutter. I agree finding the
  original message is now bit hard to find but I can't see better
  solution. That's I usually don't use threads because it is
  confusing me with all those multiple levels, different branches,
  following who answered what and to whom... 

I'll turn on threading and check out how it works and if I find
  something I'll let you all know but I hardly consider this a bug.



  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

17.9.2016. u 9:36, M. Taylor je
  napisao/la:


  Hello Everyone,

There have been so many posts sent lately that I have lost track so please
indulge me in asking for confirmation of a very annoying bug in the native
iOS 10 Mail app, regarding the threaded view.

Here are my major settings for Mail.  

Preview, None.
Organize by Thread, On.
Most Recent Message on Top, Off.
Complete Thread, Off.

Here are the steps I take to read threads:

1.
Open the Mail app.

2.
Place focus on a collapsed thread.

3.
Select Expand Thread via the VoiceOver Rotor.  At this point, the thread
expands downward.  

4.
Now, I single-finger swipe to the right in order to move to the first
message listed below the subject line of the thread and, as is expected, the
text of the message is read, out by VoiceOver.

The problem is that, regardless of the status of the, "Most Recent Message
on Top", toggle, the first message just below the thread's subject line is
always the most recent post to the thread.  As a consequence, if I want to
read the original post to a thread, I have to swipe all the way down to the
bottom of the list area and reverse swipe back up.  

Does this make sense and are any of you encountering this issue?  

Again, thank you for your indulgence on this.

Mark





  




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Re: Please Confirm a VoiceOver Bug in Native iOS 10 Mail App Regarding Threaded View

2016-09-17 Thread englishrider91 
Um, I think you meant to send that last message privately. It came to the list.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:28 AM, Stephanie Mitchell  
> wrote:
> 
> Of course I didn't think you were drunk! knew it was your meds. You were 
> totally fine just sounded a bit off... I will pray the pain subsides a bit. 
> Maybe you should take the meds more often, even if you don't like it. I mean 
> that amount of pain isn't healthy long term... And I didn't think you were 
> complaining. can write any time you like if you are having a hard time... 
> that's what friends in Christ do... by the way, I'm beyond excited because 
> tomorrow I'm attending a concert from the first time in 12 months! And some 
> of my fav music too. cant wait! 
> Steph
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Re: Please Confirm a VoiceOver Bug in Native iOS 10 Mail App Regarding Threaded View

2016-09-17 Thread Stephanie Mitchell 
Of course I didn't think you were drunk!  knew it was your meds. You were 
totally fine just sounded a bit off... I will pray the pain subsides a bit. 
Maybe you should take the meds more often, even if you don't like it. I mean 
that amount of pain isn't healthy long term... And I didn't think you were 
complaining.  can write any time you like if you are having a hard time... 
that's what friends in Christ do... by the way, I'm beyond excited because 
tomorrow I'm attending a concert from the first time in 12 months! And some of 
my fav music too.  cant wait! 
Steph
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Re: Please Confirm a VoiceOver Bug in Native iOS 10 Mail App Regarding Threaded View

2016-09-17 Thread Paul Hunt 
Hello mark. Yes, i confirmed this bug.

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 2:36 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> There have been so many posts sent lately that I have lost track so please
> indulge me in asking for confirmation of a very annoying bug in the native
> iOS 10 Mail app, regarding the threaded view.
> 
> Here are my major settings for Mail.  
> 
> Preview, None.
> Organize by Thread, On.
> Most Recent Message on Top, Off.
> Complete Thread, Off.
> 
> Here are the steps I take to read threads:
> 
> 1.
> Open the Mail app.
> 
> 2.
> Place focus on a collapsed thread.
> 
> 3.
> Select Expand Thread via the VoiceOver Rotor.  At this point, the thread
> expands downward.  
> 
> 4.
> Now, I single-finger swipe to the right in order to move to the first
> message listed below the subject line of the thread and, as is expected, the
> text of the message is read, out by VoiceOver.
> 
> The problem is that, regardless of the status of the, "Most Recent Message
> on Top", toggle, the first message just below the thread's subject line is
> always the most recent post to the thread.  As a consequence, if I want to
> read the original post to a thread, I have to swipe all the way down to the
> bottom of the list area and reverse swipe back up.  
> 
> Does this make sense and are any of you encountering this issue?  
> 
> Again, thank you for your indulgence on this.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Please Confirm a VoiceOver Bug in Native iOS 10 Mail App Regarding Threaded View

2016-09-17 Thread M. Taylor 
Hello Everyone,

There have been so many posts sent lately that I have lost track so please
indulge me in asking for confirmation of a very annoying bug in the native
iOS 10 Mail app, regarding the threaded view.

Here are my major settings for Mail.  

Preview, None.
Organize by Thread, On.
Most Recent Message on Top, Off.
Complete Thread, Off.

Here are the steps I take to read threads:

1.
Open the Mail app.

2.
Place focus on a collapsed thread.

3.
Select Expand Thread via the VoiceOver Rotor.  At this point, the thread
expands downward.  

4.
Now, I single-finger swipe to the right in order to move to the first
message listed below the subject line of the thread and, as is expected, the
text of the message is read, out by VoiceOver.

The problem is that, regardless of the status of the, "Most Recent Message
on Top", toggle, the first message just below the thread's subject line is
always the most recent post to the thread.  As a consequence, if I want to
read the original post to a thread, I have to swipe all the way down to the
bottom of the list area and reverse swipe back up.  

Does this make sense and are any of you encountering this issue?  

Again, thank you for your indulgence on this.

Mark


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