Re: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

2015-10-11 Thread Jenifer Barr 
A little education goes a long way!!!  The developer fixed my issue
for the next episode ap!
Jen

On 10/10/15, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> If you want others to write them, give us the name of the app and so on.
> Richard
>
>
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jen Barr
> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 10:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.
>
> Thanks all for your help. I will send the link to them Richard, thank you.
> Hope they listen to me! lol
>
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You might impress upon the developer that with VoiceOver, we use a
>> two-step process: we first give the button focus followed by a double tap
>> anywhere on the screen which is acted on the button with focus.
>>
>> Direct the developer to the link Richard provided. iOS already has the
>> hooks in place to make accessible app coding easier.
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Richard Turner
>>> <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, if you are not using VoiceOver, you just tap once to activate a
>>> button.
>>> With VoiceOver, the single tap merely selects it so the second tap is
>>> required to activate the button.
>>>
>>> Here is the link to the developer web site on accessibility.  I
>>> 'd suggest sending them this link:
>>> https://developer.apple.com/accessibility/
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Jenifer Barr
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:13 AM
>>> To: viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.
>>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> So, I'm trying to convince an ap developer that vo gestures are
>>> different from regular gestures.  I'm trying to tell them that double
>>> tapping on a button doesn't work with VO.  They're telling me that the
>>> correct gesture is a single tap, not a double tap.  So, is a single
>>> tap a regular gesture that a sighted person would use to activate a
>>> button or something?
>>> Thanks for any help you can give.  The developer is the creator of the
>>> "next episode" ap.  The button is "favorites" wich would allow you to
>>> add a show to your "watched" or "notify" list.
>>> Jen
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Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

2015-10-10 Thread Jenifer Barr 
Hi all.
So, I'm trying to convince an ap developer that vo gestures are
different from regular gestures.  I'm trying to tell them that double
tapping on a button doesn't work with VO.  They're telling me that the
correct gesture is a single tap, not a double tap.  So, is a single
tap a regular gesture that a sighted person would use to activate a
button or something?
Thanks for any help you can give.  The developer is the creator of the
"next episode" ap.  The button is "favorites" wich would allow you to
add a show to your "watched" or "notify" list.
Jen

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RE: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

2015-10-10 Thread Richard Turner 
If you want others to write them, give us the name of the app and so on.
Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jen Barr
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 10:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

Thanks all for your help. I will send the link to them Richard, thank you. Hope 
they listen to me! lol 

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You might impress upon the developer that with VoiceOver, we use a two-step 
> process: we first give the button focus followed by a double tap anywhere on 
> the screen which is acted on the button with focus.
> 
> Direct the developer to the link Richard provided. iOS already has the hooks 
> in place to make accessible app coding easier.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, if you are not using VoiceOver, you just tap once to activate a button.
>> With VoiceOver, the single tap merely selects it so the second tap is 
>> required to activate the button.
>> 
>> Here is the link to the developer web site on accessibility.  I
>> 'd suggest sending them this link:
>> https://developer.apple.com/accessibility/
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jenifer Barr
>> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:13 AM
>> To: viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> So, I'm trying to convince an ap developer that vo gestures are
>> different from regular gestures.  I'm trying to tell them that double
>> tapping on a button doesn't work with VO.  They're telling me that the
>> correct gesture is a single tap, not a double tap.  So, is a single
>> tap a regular gesture that a sighted person would use to activate a
>> button or something?
>> Thanks for any help you can give.  The developer is the creator of the
>> "next episode" ap.  The button is "favorites" wich would allow you to
>> add a show to your "watched" or "notify" list.
>> Jen
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RE: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

2015-10-10 Thread john r vaugh...@comcast.net 
Besides having the developer turn on voice over, he might also invoke the help 
screen with a four finger double tap to see what each gesture does including 
executing an icon. 
Also, Applevis has a fairly recent podcast tutorial for developers so they can 
better understand our needs when developing software.  
John in sunny southwest Florida

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David Justice
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.


if the app developer was truly interested, they could turn VoiceOver on and 
see, for themselves, what the differences are.  And yes, there are differences.


  David Justice :) 


> On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Jenifer Barr <claudas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> So, I'm trying to convince an ap developer that vo gestures are 
> different from regular gestures.  I'm trying to tell them that double 
> tapping on a button doesn't work with VO.  They're telling me that the 
> correct gesture is a single tap, not a double tap.  So, is a single 
> tap a regular gesture that a sighted person would use to activate a 
> button or something?
> Thanks for any help you can give.  The developer is the creator of the 
> "next episode" ap.  The button is "favorites" wich would allow you to 
> add a show to your "watched" or "notify" list.
> Jen
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Re: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

2015-10-10 Thread Alan Lemly 
You might impress upon the developer that with VoiceOver, we use a two-step 
process: we first give the button focus followed by a double tap anywhere on 
the screen which is acted on the button with focus.

Direct the developer to the link Richard provided. iOS already has the hooks in 
place to make accessible app coding easier.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, if you are not using VoiceOver, you just tap once to activate a button.
> With VoiceOver, the single tap merely selects it so the second tap is 
> required to activate the button.
> 
> Here is the link to the developer web site on accessibility.  I
> 'd suggest sending them this link:
> https://developer.apple.com/accessibility/
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jenifer Barr
> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:13 AM
> To: viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.
> 
> Hi all.
> So, I'm trying to convince an ap developer that vo gestures are
> different from regular gestures.  I'm trying to tell them that double
> tapping on a button doesn't work with VO.  They're telling me that the
> correct gesture is a single tap, not a double tap.  So, is a single
> tap a regular gesture that a sighted person would use to activate a
> button or something?
> Thanks for any help you can give.  The developer is the creator of the
> "next episode" ap.  The button is "favorites" wich would allow you to
> add a show to your "watched" or "notify" list.
> Jen
> 
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Re: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

2015-10-10 Thread Jen Barr 
Thanks all for your help. I will send the link to them Richard, thank you. Hope 
they listen to me! lol 

Jenifer Barr
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You might impress upon the developer that with VoiceOver, we use a two-step 
> process: we first give the button focus followed by a double tap anywhere on 
> the screen which is acted on the button with focus.
> 
> Direct the developer to the link Richard provided. iOS already has the hooks 
> in place to make accessible app coding easier.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, if you are not using VoiceOver, you just tap once to activate a button.
>> With VoiceOver, the single tap merely selects it so the second tap is 
>> required to activate the button.
>> 
>> Here is the link to the developer web site on accessibility.  I
>> 'd suggest sending them this link:
>> https://developer.apple.com/accessibility/
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jenifer Barr
>> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:13 AM
>> To: viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> So, I'm trying to convince an ap developer that vo gestures are
>> different from regular gestures.  I'm trying to tell them that double
>> tapping on a button doesn't work with VO.  They're telling me that the
>> correct gesture is a single tap, not a double tap.  So, is a single
>> tap a regular gesture that a sighted person would use to activate a
>> button or something?
>> Thanks for any help you can give.  The developer is the creator of the
>> "next episode" ap.  The button is "favorites" wich would allow you to
>> add a show to your "watched" or "notify" list.
>> Jen
>> 
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RE: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

2015-10-10 Thread Richard Turner 
Yes, if you are not using VoiceOver, you just tap once to activate a button.
With VoiceOver, the single tap merely selects it so the second tap is required 
to activate the button.

Here is the link to the developer web site on accessibility.  I
'd suggest sending them this link:
https://developer.apple.com/accessibility/

Richard


-Original Message-
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Jenifer Barr
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:13 AM
To: viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

Hi all.
So, I'm trying to convince an ap developer that vo gestures are
different from regular gestures.  I'm trying to tell them that double
tapping on a button doesn't work with VO.  They're telling me that the
correct gesture is a single tap, not a double tap.  So, is a single
tap a regular gesture that a sighted person would use to activate a
button or something?
Thanks for any help you can give.  The developer is the creator of the
"next episode" ap.  The button is "favorites" wich would allow you to
add a show to your "watched" or "notify" list.
Jen

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Re: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

2015-10-10 Thread Aleeha Dudley 
Yes, these things are very different. What I would do would be to explain to 
the developer that VoiceOver, when it is enabled, modifies the gestures one 
would normally use on the iPhone. For example, you would normally just tap one 
on something to activate it. With VO enabled, this gesture is accomplished with 
a double tap. A tap and hold for a sighted person is the same as a double tap 
and hold with VO. Scrolling for a sighted person is done with one finger. With 
VO, it is done with three fingers. 
I hope this helps.
Aleeha 
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> So, I'm trying to convince an ap developer that vo gestures are
> different from regular gestures.  I'm trying to tell them that double
> tapping on a button doesn't work with VO.  They're telling me that the
> correct gesture is a single tap, not a double tap.  So, is a single
> tap a regular gesture that a sighted person would use to activate a
> button or something?
> Thanks for any help you can give.  The developer is the creator of the
> "next episode" ap.  The button is "favorites" wich would allow you to
> add a show to your "watched" or "notify" list.
> Jen
> 
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Re: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

2015-10-10 Thread Gerardo Corripio 
 Yes that's right: for sighted people, a single tap activates/opens 
while for the us the blind with VO, we need a double-tap.


El 10/10/2015 10:13 a.m., Jenifer Barr escribió:

Hi all.
So, I'm trying to convince an ap developer that vo gestures are
different from regular gestures.  I'm trying to tell them that double
tapping on a button doesn't work with VO.  They're telling me that the
correct gesture is a single tap, not a double tap.  So, is a single
tap a regular gesture that a sighted person would use to activate a
button or something?
Thanks for any help you can give.  The developer is the creator of the
"next episode" ap.  The button is "favorites" wich would allow you to
add a show to your "watched" or "notify" list.
Jen



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Re: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

2015-10-10 Thread Rajmund 
Hello,
That's right. When you turn VO off, you don't double tap,, at all, and no beeps 
can be heard,, when you move through icons, either. The best thing is turn on 
VO, and give them the device, so that they can try it.

- Original Message -
From: Jenifer Barr  <claudas...@gmail.com>
To: viphone  <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2015 4:24 pm
Subject: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

>
>
> Hi all.
> So, I'm trying to convince an ap developer that vo gestures are
> different from regular gestures.  I'm trying to tell them that double
> tapping on a button doesn't work with VO.  They're telling me that the
> correct gesture is a single tap, not a double tap.  So, is a single
> tap a regular gesture that a sighted person would use to activate a
> button or something?
> Thanks for any help you can give.  The developer is the creator of the
> "next episode" ap.  The button is "favorites" wich would allow you to
> add a show to your "watched" or "notify" list.
> Jen
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Re: Question, VO gestures vs. regular gestures.

2015-10-10 Thread David Justice 

if the app developer was truly interested, they could turn VoiceOver on and 
see, for themselves, what the differences are.  And yes, there are differences.


  David Justice :) 


> On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> So, I'm trying to convince an ap developer that vo gestures are
> different from regular gestures.  I'm trying to tell them that double
> tapping on a button doesn't work with VO.  They're telling me that the
> correct gesture is a single tap, not a double tap.  So, is a single
> tap a regular gesture that a sighted person would use to activate a
> button or something?
> Thanks for any help you can give.  The developer is the creator of the
> "next episode" ap.  The button is "favorites" wich would allow you to
> add a show to your "watched" or "notify" list.
> Jen
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