Re: Accessibility of music service aps

2022-12-28 Thread Joshua Hendrickson 
I have tried numerous times to get the Alexa app on my phone to add
apple music to my echo, but no go.  It is very frustrating.

On 12/28/22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> And as a last comment, having a connected receiver which has some
> capabilities like Sonos and  hooking up a Sonos Port to it is a bit like
> having a smart TV and an Apple TV.
> Especially if the receiver's app is accessible you may think you don't
> really need a Port, but theoretically if you have an accessible smart TV
> with Netflix, Disney Plus, Apple TV, Prime Video and even an app store where
> you can get more stuff you don't really need an Apple TV.
> However, you still may like or prefer an Apple TV because the accessibility
> I think is probably still better than just about any smart TV and while I
> don't know how fully accessible and awesome the Denon app for your receiver
> is, the Sonos app is incredibly accessible and then there is of course the
> benefit of integrating your existing setup into the Sonos system which I
> explained in my previous email. Anybody who is serious about Sonos and is
> building a multi-room or whole house system would want to do this unless of
> course you for some reason want to add separate Sonos speakers in the same
> room where your existing system is, but then that is silly since it will be
> more expensive than a Sonos Port and I would assume you have your Denon
> receiver with whatever speaker configuration because you really like it.
> In my case my Sony receiver and the speakers I had on it were better than
> most Sonos speakers, but I eventually opted to switch it for a Sonos Arc and
> surround package simply because it also sounds great and it's just so much
> more convenient and takes up so much less space since I had large speakers
> before which were on a stand and took up a lot of room and there is of
> course all the cables I needed.
> As you can guess by now, I am a big Sonos fan, I bought my first Sonos gear
> in 2009 and I loved it when Sonos was offering the 30% upgrade credit where
> you can basically get a 30% discount on new Sonos gear if you decommission
> any of the old gear you may have. In the very beginning you could get a
> shipping label to send it back to Sonos since once you used the upgrade
> credit, the speaker you used for that wouldn't work any more, but that has
> changed and you can now use the upgrade credit and then still sell the old
> speaker. The buyer can set it up and activate it on their account, the only
> thing is that Sonos does keep track of serial numbers so a second person
> could not use that same speaker again to get a discount. There are actually
> people who very specifically look for very old Sonos gear on eBay which
> hasn't been used to get an upgrade discount because you might be able to buy
> a first generation Connect for $50 or $80, but if the upgrade credit
> associated with it has not been used, you could buy a new wireless Sub which
> costs $750 and get it for 30% off so you spend $80 or even $100 to get a
> $225 discount and if you were to buy a full surround setup or a new Sonos
> Amp with in-wall speakers you might get a discount around $400 or $500.
> I can't wait what Sonos will come out with in 2023, typically they release 2
> new products a year, this year the second in October was a new Sub Mini
> (can't remember what the first was), in 2023 it seems already confirmed
> there is a new speaker called Optimus which is going to be a better sounding
> Sonos One or Five, not quite sure. It is supposed to be Wi-Fi 6 capable and
> in addition also support full Bluetooth streaming in addition to Airplay 2
> which most Sonos speakers have.
> There are also rumours about a new flagship soundbar and while that might be
> cool, I never give up hope until they finally add a high-end Sonos headset
> into the mix which would allow me to have a headset which is part of my
> Sonos system without having to resort to work-arounds like connecting a
> Bluetooth receiver/transmitter to a Sonos Port or stuff like that which in
> any case never would sound as good as a good headset which would get its
> signal via your Wi-Fi.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 10:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Accessibility of music service aps
>
> You could always get a Sonos Port and hook it up to your Denon receiver
> since this would then also allow you to bring the speakers connected to your
> receiver into the Sonos system, group them and so on.
> Sonos also has it's own voice assistant and it can live alongside Alexa on
> any voice enabled Sonos speaker like the Roam, Move, One or any of the
> soundbars. It works great for changing volume and it's fantastic

RE: Accessibility of music service aps

2022-12-27 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
And as a last comment, having a connected receiver which has some capabilities 
like Sonos and  hooking up a Sonos Port to it is a bit like having a smart TV 
and an Apple TV.
Especially if the receiver's app is accessible you may think you don't really 
need a Port, but theoretically if you have an accessible smart TV with Netflix, 
Disney Plus, Apple TV, Prime Video and even an app store where you can get more 
stuff you don't really need an Apple TV.
However, you still may like or prefer an Apple TV because the accessibility I 
think is probably still better than just about any smart TV and while I don't 
know how fully accessible and awesome the Denon app for your receiver is, the 
Sonos app is incredibly accessible and then there is of course the benefit of 
integrating your existing setup into the Sonos system which I explained in my 
previous email. Anybody who is serious about Sonos and is building a multi-room 
or whole house system would want to do this unless of  course you for some 
reason want to add separate Sonos speakers in the same room where your existing 
system is, but then that is silly since it will be more expensive than a Sonos 
Port and I would assume you have your Denon receiver with whatever speaker 
configuration because you really like it.
In my case my Sony receiver and the speakers I had on it were better than most 
Sonos speakers, but I eventually opted to switch it for a Sonos Arc and 
surround package simply because it also sounds great and it's just so much more 
convenient and takes up so much less space since I had large speakers before 
which were on a stand and took up a lot of room and there is of course all the 
cables I needed.
As you can guess by now, I am a big Sonos fan, I bought my first Sonos gear in 
2009 and I loved it when Sonos was offering the 30% upgrade credit where you 
can basically get a 30% discount on new Sonos gear if you decommission any of 
the old gear you may have. In the very beginning you could get a shipping label 
to send it back to Sonos since once you used the upgrade credit, the speaker 
you used for that wouldn't work any more, but that has changed and you can now 
use the upgrade credit and then still sell the old speaker. The buyer can set 
it up and activate it on their account, the only thing is that Sonos does keep 
track of serial numbers so a second person could not use that same speaker 
again to get a discount. There are actually people who very specifically look 
for very old Sonos gear on eBay which hasn't been used to get an upgrade 
discount because you might be able to buy a first generation Connect for $50 or 
$80, but if the upgrade credit associated with it has not been used, you could 
buy a new wireless Sub which costs $750 and get it for 30% off so you spend $80 
or even $100 to get a $225 discount and if you were to buy a full surround 
setup or a new Sonos Amp with in-wall speakers you might get a discount around 
$400 or $500.
I can't wait what Sonos will come out with in 2023, typically they release 2 
new products a year, this year the second in October was a new Sub Mini (can't 
remember what the first was), in 2023 it seems already confirmed there is a new 
speaker called Optimus which is going to be a better sounding Sonos One or 
Five, not quite sure. It is supposed to be Wi-Fi 6 capable and in addition also 
support full Bluetooth streaming in addition to Airplay 2 which most Sonos 
speakers have.
There are also rumours about a new flagship soundbar and while that might be 
cool, I never give up hope until they finally add a high-end Sonos headset into 
the mix which would allow me to have a headset which is part of my Sonos system 
without having to resort to work-arounds like connecting a Bluetooth 
receiver/transmitter to a Sonos Port or stuff like that which in any case never 
would sound as good as a good headset which would get its signal via your Wi-Fi.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 10:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessibility of music service aps

You could always get a Sonos Port and hook it up to your Denon receiver since 
this would then also allow you to bring the speakers connected to your receiver 
into the Sonos system, group them and so on.
Sonos also has it's own voice assistant and it can live alongside Alexa on any 
voice enabled Sonos speaker like the Roam, Move, One or any of the soundbars. 
It works great for changing volume and it's fantastic if you have multiple 
Sonos speakers and you want to group them. You never have to open the app any 
more, I for example often want our living room Arc and surround system grouped 
with a set of Sonos One speakers in the kitchen because then my wife can watch 
a movie and I can listen in the kitchen if I am still doing something. I simply 
go in the kitchen and say "Hey Sonos, group cooking" This is because I made a 
group with living room a

RE: Accessibility of music service aps

2022-12-27 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
You could always get a Sonos Port and hook it up to your Denon receiver since 
this would then also allow you to bring the speakers connected to your receiver 
into the Sonos system, group them and so on.
Sonos also has it's own voice assistant and it can live alongside Alexa on any 
voice enabled Sonos speaker like the Roam, Move, One or any of the soundbars. 
It works great for changing volume and it's fantastic if you have multiple 
Sonos speakers and you want to group them. You never have to open the app any 
more, I for example often want our living room Arc and surround system grouped 
with a set of Sonos One speakers in the kitchen because then my wife can watch 
a movie and I can listen in the kitchen if I am still doing something. I simply 
go in the kitchen and say "Hey Sonos, group cooking" This is because I made a 
group with living room and kitchen and named it cooking, I could also say "Hey 
Sonos, group living room and kitchen Sonos, basically you say you want to group 
whatever your speaker names are and it's actually amazing how fast it happens, 
Sonos voice assistant barely says "Grouping cooking" when the audio already 
starts playing.
In the same way if I am done and join my wife in the living room I just say 
"Hey Sonos, ungroup cooking" as I am walking out of the kitchen and it's done. 
Similarly if I have Sonos playing in say 3 rooms, bedroom, kitchen and living 
room, I can ask the Sonos assistant to change the volume which changes it for 
the entire group or I can ask it to change the volume in the living room or 
mute the bedroom etc. For actual system control it works incredibly well.
Before I bought my first Sonos surround sound setup, a Playbar, set of Play 1 
speakers for rear surrounds and a Sonos Sub I had a high-end Sony Elite series 
7.1 surround sound receiver and while this was before the days when just about 
everything was connected and had an app, I had what back then was a Sonos 
Connect hooked up to it via a digital optical connection. In this way Sonos was 
just another input source and if I wanted to listen to music in the living room 
I selected the optical digital input and after that I didn't need to do 
anything any more with my receiver since my music selection and all that was 
then done via the Sonos app. And since the Connect and now the new Port also 
has analogue inputs, I was able to connect my Sony receiver's analogue outputs 
in turn back into the Connect and this way any other source connected to my 
Sony receiver like CD player, Blu-Ray, satellite TV receiver could be played on 
my Sonos system throughout the house. If you are building a Sonos system and 
have an existing stereo system getting a Port is almost inevitable and it also 
happens to be one of the less expensive Sonos items.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 9:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessibility of music service aps

Good question. Mostly because it’s not supported by my Denon receiver, which 
does support Airplay though. It does check all of the other boxes, and I have a 
three month free subscription, so I definitely need to check it out.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 11:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessibility of music service aps

Why are you not considering Apple Music? I don't know about your Denon 
receiver, but it's certainly supported by Sonos and you can select Apple Music 
as your preferred music service in the Alexa app so if you tell Alexa on your 
Sonos Roam to play whatever music it will do so playing from Apple Music.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Accessibility of music service aps

I’m shopping around for a new music service. It looks like right now I’m 
deciding between Spotify, Deezer and Amazon Music. I’ll play around with each 
as much as I can, but I’m wondering if anyone wants to share their opinions on 
the accessibility of the apps for these services.

Right now I’m using YouTube Music, which I like, but I’m looking for something 
that will be supported on more of the platforms I’m starting to use. I just 
bought a Sonos Roam, and I have a Denon receiver running HEOS. I also have 
smart speakers right now from Amazon, Google and Apple. I know I can use 
Airplay and Chromecast, but a service or assistant that supports these services 
would be a nice to have.

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RE: Accessibility of music service aps

2022-12-27 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
Good question. Mostly because it's not supported by my Denon receiver, which 
does support Airplay though. It does check all of the other boxes, and I have a 
three month free subscription, so I definitely need to check it out.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 11:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Accessibility of music service aps

Why are you not considering Apple Music? I don't know about your Denon 
receiver, but it's certainly supported by Sonos and you can select Apple Music 
as your preferred music service in the Alexa app so if you tell Alexa on your 
Sonos Roam to play whatever music it will do so playing from Apple Music.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Accessibility of music service aps

I'm shopping around for a new music service. It looks like right now I'm 
deciding between Spotify, Deezer and Amazon Music. I'll play around with each 
as much as I can, but I'm wondering if anyone wants to share their opinions on 
the accessibility of the apps for these services.

Right now I'm using YouTube Music, which I like, but I'm looking for something 
that will be supported on more of the platforms I'm starting to use. I just 
bought a Sonos Roam, and I have a Denon receiver running HEOS. I also have 
smart speakers right now from Amazon, Google and Apple. I know I can use 
Airplay and Chromecast, but a service or assistant that supports these services 
would be a nice to have.

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RE: Accessibility of music service aps

2022-12-27 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Why are you not considering Apple Music? I don't know about your Denon 
receiver, but it's certainly supported by Sonos and you can select Apple Music 
as your preferred music service in the Alexa app so if you tell Alexa on your 
Sonos Roam to play whatever music it will do so playing from Apple Music.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessibility of music service aps

I’m shopping around for a new music service. It looks like right now I’m 
deciding between Spotify, Deezer and Amazon Music. I’ll play around with each 
as much as I can, but I’m wondering if anyone wants to share their opinions on 
the accessibility of the apps for these services.

Right now I’m using YouTube Music, which I like, but I’m looking for something 
that will be supported on more of the platforms I’m starting to use. I just 
bought a Sonos Roam, and I have a Denon receiver running HEOS. I also have 
smart speakers right now from Amazon, Google and Apple. I know I can use 
Airplay and Chromecast, but a service or assistant that supports these services 
would be a nice to have.

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Re: Accessibility of music service aps

2022-12-27 Thread 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone 
I use YouTube Premium because the YouTube Music works so well with Sonos and also with my Mac, iPhone, and Windows platforms.MervOn Dec 27, 2022, at 6:30 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







Thanks! I forgot to mention in my earlier post that Deezer seems to have some accessibility issues. When selecting artists for example, I couldn’t tell the state of the artist, e.g. I didn’t hear selected or unselected. I’m not sure if
 that will get in the way of my use of Deezer or not.
 

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Hi Christopher,

Spotify is pretty accessible in my opinion.


It works well with google and alexa.

Sent from my iPod






On Dec 27, 2022, at 5:05 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@outlook.com> wrote:




 
I’m shopping around for a new music service. It looks like right now I’m deciding between Spotify, Deezer and Amazon Music. I’ll play around with each as much as I can, but I’m wondering if anyone wants to share their opinions on the accessibility
 of the apps for these services.
 
Right now I’m using YouTube Music, which I like, but I’m looking for something that will be supported on more of the platforms I’m starting to use. I just bought a Sonos Roam, and I have a Denon receiver running HEOS. I also have smart
 speakers right now from Amazon, Google and Apple. I know I can use Airplay and Chromecast, but a service or assistant that supports these services would be a nice to have.
 
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RE: Accessibility of music service aps

2022-12-27 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
Thanks! I forgot to mention in my earlier post that Deezer seems to have some 
accessibility issues. When selecting artists for example, I couldn’t tell the 
state of the artist, e.g. I didn’t hear selected or unselected. I’m not sure if 
that will get in the way of my use of Deezer or not.

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Hi Christopher,
Spotify is pretty accessible in my opinion.
It works well with google and alexa.
Sent from my iPod


On Dec 27, 2022, at 5:05 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I’m shopping around for a new music service. It looks like right now I’m 
deciding between Spotify, Deezer and Amazon Music. I’ll play around with each 
as much as I can, but I’m wondering if anyone wants to share their opinions on 
the accessibility of the apps for these services.

Right now I’m using YouTube Music, which I like, but I’m looking for something 
that will be supported on more of the platforms I’m starting to use. I just 
bought a Sonos Roam, and I have a Denon receiver running HEOS. I also have 
smart speakers right now from Amazon, Google and Apple. I know I can use 
Airplay and Chromecast, but a service or assistant that supports these services 
would be a nice to have.

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Re: Accessibility of music service aps

2022-12-27 Thread Delia Avina 
Hi Christopher,
Spotify is pretty accessible in my opinion.
It works well with google and alexa.

Sent from my iPod

> On Dec 27, 2022, at 5:05 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m shopping around for a new music service. It looks like right now I’m 
> deciding between Spotify, Deezer and Amazon Music. I’ll play around with each 
> as much as I can, but I’m wondering if anyone wants to share their opinions 
> on the accessibility of the apps for these services.
>  
> Right now I’m using YouTube Music, which I like, but I’m looking for 
> something that will be supported on more of the platforms I’m starting to 
> use. I just bought a Sonos Roam, and I have a Denon receiver running HEOS. I 
> also have smart speakers right now from Amazon, Google and Apple. I know I 
> can use Airplay and Chromecast, but a service or assistant that supports 
> these services would be a nice to have.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>  
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