RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Absolutely, the Windows app is very accessible via the system tray, there are 
also Roboform extensions for Chrome, Edge and Firefox, but especially for my 
many SafeNotes I prefer the desktop app. I just bring up the system tray with 
Jaws Key + F11, press R for Roboform and press enter. This brings up the 
Roboform context menu where I can arrow up (by default the cursor is always at 
the bottom on "Login" or, if you are logged in with your Master password it is 
on "Logout", then as I up arrow I get "Exit" which quits the app, then Logins, 
Bookmarks, Identities, Contacts and Safenotes.
Logins are all your so-called "passcards" which are typically web addresses 
which include login names and passwords so if you  select one it wil lgo to 
that website, fill in the information and log you in. There are some exceptions 
as some websites don't allow for this or some have a screen with  your user 
Id/login name, then you have to click next before the password comes up.
Bookmarks are just that, they are bookmarks of websites and they are not 
password protected.
Identities is where you can have your own information like address, phone 
numbers, email addresses, social insurance number, passport number, credit card 
information, bank information and so on. You can also set up multiple 
Identities.
Contacts I don't use, but here you can enter information for Contacts and of 
course this will then be available on any of your devices where you use 
Roboform.
Safenotes are one of the things I use most apart from Logins. You can create a 
New
Safenote for whatever you want and type as much information as you want and 
these will be protected by your master password although I believe you can also 
set it up so you can have them not be protected if, for example, you want to 
just write down some information which is not important.
Then you also have a "Tools" submenu which includes a "Generat Password" 
option, this generates a random 16-character password with an option to copy it 
to the clipboard so you can easily use it when  you need a good password for a 
website.
There is also a "Energency Contact" option in the menu, it reads as as follows:

My Emergency Contacts (0)
I’m Emergency Contact For (0)
Trusted Emergency Contact can gain access to your RoboForm account data in case 
you forget your Master Password or in the events of death or incapacitation.
If a person you choose to be your Emergency Contact does not have a RoboForm 
account, we will ask them to create one FOR FREE.

There is more, but I don't have time now to go over everything, as I said, it's 
all pretty accessible and Roboform has been my password manager for over 15 
years, I think I started using it around 2005. I tried 1Password at some point, 
but it's like with me and Jaws and NVDA, I've been using Jaws for way too long 
and I am way too used to how it all works to change.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 2:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

How is the windows side do they have a windows app?  Is it Jaws accessible?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

Yes, they do have an iOS app and I find it quite accessible. Could it be 
better, there is always room for improvement, but I can open my SafeNotes and 
read their context or I can pick either Roboform or iCloud when I am trying to 
log in somewhere.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 10:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

Does Roboform have an iOS app?  Is it accessible?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News


I have been using Roboform probably for more than 15 years and it has been a 
reliable password manager for me. You can also have an unlimited amount of 
so-called SafeNotes and while I have never tried to set one up with information 
that is say 5 or 6 pages long, I don't think each SafeNote has a size limit, 
either and if it does it's more than enough.

I have things like all my credit card numbers with expiry dates, CV codes and 

RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

[Dennis Long]

How is the windows side do they have a windows app?  Is it Jaws accessible?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

 

Yes, they do have an iOS app and I find it quite accessible. Could it be 
better, there is always room for improvement, but I can open my SafeNotes and 
read their context or I can pick either Roboform or iCloud when I am trying to 
log in somewhere. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 10:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

 

Does Roboform have an iOS app?  Is it accessible?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

 

I have been using Roboform probably for more than 15 years and it has been a 
reliable password manager for me. You can also have an unlimited amount of 
so-called SafeNotes and while I have never tried to set one up with information 
that is say 5 or 6 pages long, I don't think each SafeNote has a size limit, 
either and if it does it's more than enough.

I have things like all my credit card numbers with expiry dates, CV codes and 
corresponding phone numbers in such SafeNotes, also my bank accounts including 
the bank's institution, transit numbers, routing and swift codes. I have a 
SafeNote called Gift Cards where I write down the numbers and codes of gift 
cards I sometimes buy with points, how much the card had on it, when I bought 
it and when I used it. I also include what it was I bought and what, if any, 
the balance remaining is. I have SafeNotes for my tech gear, e.g. Lenovo, HP, 
Sonos etc. and here I have written down everything I ever bought, when I bought 
it and for how much, serial numbers of printers, laptops and on and on.

I have of course a SafeNote called Apple where I have my 2-factor 
authentication recovery key, I now added the advanced data protection recovery 
key and of course in there as well are the serial numbers of my wife's and my 
iPhones, our Apple TV, iPad etc.

I use a random 14-character master password for Roboform which I also change 
from time to time and use nowhere else, Roboform data on their servers is of 
course encrypted and I also use 2-factor authentication which for Roboform 
means if anybody including myself tries to sign in on a new device, I get an 
email with a 6-digit OTP (one-time password) code. I feel it's more or less as 
safe as it can be.

 

I also have a Yubiko hardware security key which looks a little bit like a 
small USB drive, but thinner with a button on it which you press to 
authenticate. I haven't really started using it much yet, but plan to set it up 
for my new Lenovo ThinkPad and Lenovo small form factor desktop computer in the 
office as an additional way to sign in (I also have set up a PIN and on my 
laptop I can also use face recognition and fingerprint).

I still have to explore all the other uses for it because it does also support 
2-factor authentication for Dropbox and many more services, currently I am 
using the Microsoft Authenticator app to generate my Dropbox 2-factor 
authentication code.

Below is first a link to an article from The Verge about security keys and then 
an Amazon Canada link for the Yubiko which is compatible with USB-A ports, but 
they do make a UsB-C version as well:

 

The best hardware security keys for two-factor authentication - The Verge 

 

 

Yubico YubiKey 5 NFC - Two Factor Authentication USB and NFC Security Key, Fits 
USB-A Ports and Works with Supported NFC Mobile Devices - Protect Your Online 
Accounts with More Than a Password : Amazon.ca: Electronics 

 

There is also a UsB-C version of this device available, but according to the 
article from The Verge it does not include NFC and they also mentioned that 
Yubiko was looking at making a version with a Lightning port. I would certainly 
not buy a 

RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, they do have an iOS app and I find it quite accessible. Could it be 
better, there is always room for improvement, but I can open my SafeNotes and 
read their context or I can pick either Roboform or iCloud when I am trying to 
log in somewhere.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 10:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

Does Roboform have an iOS app?  Is it accessible?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News


I have been using Roboform probably for more than 15 years and it has been a 
reliable password manager for me. You can also have an unlimited amount of 
so-called SafeNotes and while I have never tried to set one up with information 
that is say 5 or 6 pages long, I don't think each SafeNote has a size limit, 
either and if it does it's more than enough.

I have things like all my credit card numbers with expiry dates, CV codes and 
corresponding phone numbers in such SafeNotes, also my bank accounts including 
the bank's institution, transit numbers, routing and swift codes. I have a 
SafeNote called Gift Cards where I write down the numbers and codes of gift 
cards I sometimes buy with points, how much the card had on it, when I bought 
it and when I used it. I also include what it was I bought and what, if any, 
the balance remaining is. I have SafeNotes for my tech gear, e.g. Lenovo, HP, 
Sonos etc. and here I have written down everything I ever bought, when I bought 
it and for how much, serial numbers of printers, laptops and on and on.

I have of course a SafeNote called Apple where I have my 2-factor 
authentication recovery key, I now added the advanced data protection recovery 
key and of course in there as well are the serial numbers of my wife's and my 
iPhones, our Apple TV, iPad etc.

I use a random 14-character master password for Roboform which I also change 
from time to time and use nowhere else, Roboform data on their servers is of 
course encrypted and I also use 2-factor authentication which for Roboform 
means if anybody including myself tries to sign in on a new device, I get an 
email with a 6-digit OTP (one-time password) code. I feel it's more or less as 
safe as it can be.



I also have a Yubiko hardware security key which looks a little bit like a 
small USB drive, but thinner with a button on it which you press to 
authenticate. I haven't really started using it much yet, but plan to set it up 
for my new Lenovo ThinkPad and Lenovo small form factor desktop computer in the 
office as an additional way to sign in (I also have set up a PIN and on my 
laptop I can also use face recognition and fingerprint).

I still have to explore all the other uses for it because it does also support 
2-factor authentication for Dropbox and many more services, currently I am 
using the Microsoft Authenticator app to generate my Dropbox 2-factor 
authentication code.

Below is first a link to an article from The Verge about security keys and then 
an Amazon Canada link for the Yubiko which is compatible with USB-A ports, but 
they do make a UsB-C version as well:



The best hardware security keys for two-factor authentication - The 
Verge



Yubico YubiKey 5 NFC - Two Factor Authentication USB and NFC Security Key, Fits 
USB-A Ports and Works with Supported NFC Mobile Devices - Protect Your Online 
Accounts with More Than a Password : Amazon.ca: 
Electronics

There is also a UsB-C version of this device available, but according to the 
article from The Verge it does not include NFC and they also mentioned that 
Yubiko was looking at making a version with a Lightning port. I would certainly 
not buy a Lightning version now considering that next year it is highly likely 
that the Lightning port finally disappears in favour of a UsB-C port and USB-C 
is certainly the way forward at least for many years to come.





Best regards,

Sieghard





-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor

Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 10:52 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, 

RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

[Dennis Long]

Does Roboform have an iOS app?  Is it accessible?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

 

I have been using Roboform probably for more than 15 years and it has been a 
reliable password manager for me. You can also have an unlimited amount of 
so-called SafeNotes and while I have never tried to set one up with information 
that is say 5 or 6 pages long, I don't think each SafeNote has a size limit, 
either and if it does it's more than enough.

I have things like all my credit card numbers with expiry dates, CV codes and 
corresponding phone numbers in such SafeNotes, also my bank accounts including 
the bank's institution, transit numbers, routing and swift codes. I have a 
SafeNote called Gift Cards where I write down the numbers and codes of gift 
cards I sometimes buy with points, how much the card had on it, when I bought 
it and when I used it. I also include what it was I bought and what, if any, 
the balance remaining is. I have SafeNotes for my tech gear, e.g. Lenovo, HP, 
Sonos etc. and here I have written down everything I ever bought, when I bought 
it and for how much, serial numbers of printers, laptops and on and on.

I have of course a SafeNote called Apple where I have my 2-factor 
authentication recovery key, I now added the advanced data protection recovery 
key and of course in there as well are the serial numbers of my wife's and my 
iPhones, our Apple TV, iPad etc.

I use a random 14-character master password for Roboform which I also change 
from time to time and use nowhere else, Roboform data on their servers is of 
course encrypted and I also use 2-factor authentication which for Roboform 
means if anybody including myself tries to sign in on a new device, I get an 
email with a 6-digit OTP (one-time password) code. I feel it's more or less as 
safe as it can be.

 

I also have a Yubiko hardware security key which looks a little bit like a 
small USB drive, but thinner with a button on it which you press to 
authenticate. I haven't really started using it much yet, but plan to set it up 
for my new Lenovo ThinkPad and Lenovo small form factor desktop computer in the 
office as an additional way to sign in (I also have set up a PIN and on my 
laptop I can also use face recognition and fingerprint).

I still have to explore all the other uses for it because it does also support 
2-factor authentication for Dropbox and many more services, currently I am 
using the Microsoft Authenticator app to generate my Dropbox 2-factor 
authentication code.

Below is first a link to an article from The Verge about security keys and then 
an Amazon Canada link for the Yubiko which is compatible with USB-A ports, but 
they do make a UsB-C version as well:

 

The best hardware security keys for two-factor authentication - The Verge 

 

 

Yubico YubiKey 5 NFC - Two Factor Authentication USB and NFC Security Key, Fits 
USB-A Ports and Works with Supported NFC Mobile Devices - Protect Your Online 
Accounts with More Than a Password : Amazon.ca: Electronics 

 

There is also a UsB-C version of this device available, but according to the 
article from The Verge it does not include NFC and they also mentioned that 
Yubiko was looking at making a version with a Lightning port. I would certainly 
not buy a Lightning version now considering that next year it is highly likely 
that the Lightning port finally disappears in favour of a UsB-C port and USB-C 
is certainly the way forward at least for many years to come.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor

Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 10:52 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

 

This is great feedback, Sieghard.  Thank you.

 

To tell you the truth, I'm kind of afraid to enable the feature for fear of 
losing the key.  

 

I believe that with OS 16.3 one can actually use some kind of physical recovery 
key, but as I have no idea of how this would work, I'm holding off on the 
feature, for now.

 

You, however, are a brave man, "Charlie Brown."  (smile).

 

Mark

 

-Original 

RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

[Mr. Ed]

Hey Sieghard,

I knew it, your getting old. Now your misspelling things like I do. 藍

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

 

A small correction, I spelled "Yubiko" with a "k", the correct spelling is with 
a "c", so it should be "Yubico".

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 10:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

 

I have been using Roboform probably for more than 15 years and it has been a 
reliable password manager for me. You can also have an unlimited amount of 
so-called SafeNotes and while I have never tried to set one up with information 
that is say 5 or 6 pages long, I don't think each SafeNote has a size limit, 
either and if it does it's more than enough.

I have things like all my credit card numbers with expiry dates, CV codes and 
corresponding phone numbers in such SafeNotes, also my bank accounts including 
the bank's institution, transit numbers, routing and swift codes. I have a 
SafeNote called Gift Cards where I write down the numbers and codes of gift 
cards I sometimes buy with points, how much the card had on it, when I bought 
it and when I used it. I also include what it was I bought and what, if any, 
the balance remaining is. I have SafeNotes for my tech gear, e.g. Lenovo, HP, 
Sonos etc. and here I have written down everything I ever bought, when I bought 
it and for how much, serial numbers of printers, laptops and on and on.

I have of course a SafeNote called Apple where I have my 2-factor 
authentication recovery key, I now added the advanced data protection recovery 
key and of course in there as well are the serial numbers of my wife's and my 
iPhones, our Apple TV, iPad etc.

I use a random 14-character master password for Roboform which I also change 
from time to time and use nowhere else, Roboform data on their servers is of 
course encrypted and I also use 2-factor authentication which for Roboform 
means if anybody including myself tries to sign in on a new device, I get an 
email with a 6-digit OTP (one-time password) code. I feel it's more or less as 
safe as it can be.

 

I also have a Yubiko hardware security key which looks a little bit like a 
small USB drive, but thinner with a button on it which you press to 
authenticate. I haven't really started using it much yet, but plan to set it up 
for my new Lenovo ThinkPad and Lenovo small form factor desktop computer in the 
office as an additional way to sign in (I also have set up a PIN and on my 
laptop I can also use face recognition and fingerprint).

I still have to explore all the other uses for it because it does also support 
2-factor authentication for Dropbox and many more services, currently I am 
using the Microsoft Authenticator app to generate my Dropbox 2-factor 
authentication code.

Below is first a link to an article from The Verge about security keys and then 
an Amazon Canada link for the Yubiko which is compatible with USB-A ports, but 
they do make a UsB-C version as well:

 

The best hardware security keys for two-factor authentication - The Verge 

 

 

Yubico YubiKey 5 NFC - Two Factor Authentication USB and NFC Security Key, Fits 
USB-A Ports and Works with Supported NFC Mobile Devices - Protect Your Online 
Accounts with More Than a Password : Amazon.ca: Electronics 

 

There is also a UsB-C version of this device available, but according to the 
article from The Verge it does not include NFC and they also mentioned that 
Yubiko was looking at making a version with a Lightning port. I would certainly 
not buy a Lightning version now considering that next year it is highly likely 
that the Lightning port finally disappears in favour of a UsB-C port and USB-C 
is certainly the way forward at least for many years to come.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor

Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 10:52 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: RE: 

RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

[Sieghard Weitzel]

A small correction, I spelled "Yubiko" with a "k", the correct spelling is with 
a "c", so it should be "Yubico".

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 10:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News


I have been using Roboform probably for more than 15 years and it has been a 
reliable password manager for me. You can also have an unlimited amount of 
so-called SafeNotes and while I have never tried to set one up with information 
that is say 5 or 6 pages long, I don't think each SafeNote has a size limit, 
either and if it does it's more than enough.

I have things like all my credit card numbers with expiry dates, CV codes and 
corresponding phone numbers in such SafeNotes, also my bank accounts including 
the bank's institution, transit numbers, routing and swift codes. I have a 
SafeNote called Gift Cards where I write down the numbers and codes of gift 
cards I sometimes buy with points, how much the card had on it, when I bought 
it and when I used it. I also include what it was I bought and what, if any, 
the balance remaining is. I have SafeNotes for my tech gear, e.g. Lenovo, HP, 
Sonos etc. and here I have written down everything I ever bought, when I bought 
it and for how much, serial numbers of printers, laptops and on and on.

I have of course a SafeNote called Apple where I have my 2-factor 
authentication recovery key, I now added the advanced data protection recovery 
key and of course in there as well are the serial numbers of my wife's and my 
iPhones, our Apple TV, iPad etc.

I use a random 14-character master password for Roboform which I also change 
from time to time and use nowhere else, Roboform data on their servers is of 
course encrypted and I also use 2-factor authentication which for Roboform 
means if anybody including myself tries to sign in on a new device, I get an 
email with a 6-digit OTP (one-time password) code. I feel it's more or less as 
safe as it can be.



I also have a Yubiko hardware security key which looks a little bit like a 
small USB drive, but thinner with a button on it which you press to 
authenticate. I haven't really started using it much yet, but plan to set it up 
for my new Lenovo ThinkPad and Lenovo small form factor desktop computer in the 
office as an additional way to sign in (I also have set up a PIN and on my 
laptop I can also use face recognition and fingerprint).

I still have to explore all the other uses for it because it does also support 
2-factor authentication for Dropbox and many more services, currently I am 
using the Microsoft Authenticator app to generate my Dropbox 2-factor 
authentication code.

Below is first a link to an article from The Verge about security keys and then 
an Amazon Canada link for the Yubiko which is compatible with USB-A ports, but 
they do make a UsB-C version as well:



The best hardware security keys for two-factor authentication - The 
Verge



Yubico YubiKey 5 NFC - Two Factor Authentication USB and NFC Security Key, Fits 
USB-A Ports and Works with Supported NFC Mobile Devices - Protect Your Online 
Accounts with More Than a Password : Amazon.ca: 
Electronics

There is also a UsB-C version of this device available, but according to the 
article from The Verge it does not include NFC and they also mentioned that 
Yubiko was looking at making a version with a Lightning port. I would certainly 
not buy a Lightning version now considering that next year it is highly likely 
that the Lightning port finally disappears in favour of a UsB-C port and USB-C 
is certainly the way forward at least for many years to come.





Best regards,

Sieghard





-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor

Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 10:52 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News



This is great feedback, Sieghard.  Thank you.



To tell you the truth, I'm kind of afraid to enable the feature for fear of 
losing the key.



I believe that with OS 16.3 one can actually use some kind of physical recovery 
key, but as I have no idea of how this would work, I'm holding off on the 
feature, for now.



You, however, are a brave man, "Charlie Brown."  

RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have been using Roboform probably for more than 15 years and it has been a 
reliable password manager for me. You can also have an unlimited amount of 
so-called SafeNotes and while I have never tried to set one up with information 
that is say 5 or 6 pages long, I don't think each SafeNote has a size limit, 
either and if it does it's more than enough.

I have things like all my credit card numbers with expiry dates, CV codes and 
corresponding phone numbers in such SafeNotes, also my bank accounts including 
the bank's institution, transit numbers, routing and swift codes. I have a 
SafeNote called Gift Cards where I write down the numbers and codes of gift 
cards I sometimes buy with points, how much the card had on it, when I bought 
it and when I used it. I also include what it was I bought and what, if any, 
the balance remaining is. I have SafeNotes for my tech gear, e.g. Lenovo, HP, 
Sonos etc. and here I have written down everything I ever bought, when I bought 
it and for how much, serial numbers of printers, laptops and on and on.

I have of course a SafeNote called Apple where I have my 2-factor 
authentication recovery key, I now added the advanced data protection recovery 
key and of course in there as well are the serial numbers of my wife's and my 
iPhones, our Apple TV, iPad etc.

I use a random 14-character master password for Roboform which I also change 
from time to time and use nowhere else, Roboform data on their servers is of 
course encrypted and I also use 2-factor authentication which for Roboform 
means if anybody including myself tries to sign in on a new device, I get an 
email with a 6-digit OTP (one-time password) code. I feel it's more or less as 
safe as it can be.



I also have a Yubiko hardware security key which looks a little bit like a 
small USB drive, but thinner with a button on it which you press to 
authenticate. I haven't really started using it much yet, but plan to set it up 
for my new Lenovo ThinkPad and Lenovo small form factor desktop computer in the 
office as an additional way to sign in (I also have set up a PIN and on my 
laptop I can also use face recognition and fingerprint).

I still have to explore all the other uses for it because it does also support 
2-factor authentication for Dropbox and many more services, currently I am 
using the Microsoft Authenticator app to generate my Dropbox 2-factor 
authentication code.

Below is first a link to an article from The Verge about security keys and then 
an Amazon Canada link for the Yubiko which is compatible with USB-A ports, but 
they do make a UsB-C version as well:



The best hardware security keys for two-factor authentication - The 
Verge



Yubico YubiKey 5 NFC - Two Factor Authentication USB and NFC Security Key, Fits 
USB-A Ports and Works with Supported NFC Mobile Devices - Protect Your Online 
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There is also a UsB-C version of this device available, but according to the 
article from The Verge it does not include NFC and they also mentioned that 
Yubiko was looking at making a version with a Lightning port. I would certainly 
not buy a Lightning version now considering that next year it is highly likely 
that the Lightning port finally disappears in favour of a UsB-C port and USB-C 
is certainly the way forward at least for many years to come.





Best regards,

Sieghard





-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor

Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 10:52 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News



This is great feedback, Sieghard.  Thank you.



To tell you the truth, I'm kind of afraid to enable the feature for fear of 
losing the key.



I believe that with OS 16.3 one can actually use some kind of physical recovery 
key, but as I have no idea of how this would work, I'm holding off on the 
feature, for now.



You, however, are a brave man, "Charlie Brown."  (smile).



Mark



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 1:08 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 

RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

[M. Taylor]

This is great feedback, Sieghard.  Thank you.

To tell you the truth, I'm kind of afraid to enable the feature for fear of 
losing the key.  

I believe that with OS 16.3 one can actually use some kind of physical recovery 
key, but as I have no idea of how this would work, I'm holding off on the 
feature, for now.

You, however, are a brave man, "Charlie Brown."  (smile).

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 1:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for 
your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

I read your article and afterwards checked my iPhone 13 Pro and Advanced Data 
Protection is also available in Canada.
I turned it on, it asks you to set up a recovery contact although I don't think 
it forces you to do so, but if you do they will get a text message and have to 
tap on "Agree" before they are confirmed as a recovery contact.
Otherwise you do as far as I could tell set up a recovery key, it consists of a 
series of 28 random numbers and letters, 7 groups of 4 each. You have to write 
this down because once you tap on continue you have to re-enter that entire 
recovery key before it becomes active.
Lastly, after I was all done my Advanced Data protection was still off so I 
tapped on it again and I was then told that I still hadn't updated my iPad and 
Apple TV and since setting it up on one device then applies the encryption to 
all devices signed in to that Apple Id, they all have to be updated to the 
latest OS version.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for your 
iCloud data, Mac Daily News

How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for your iCloud 
data Wednesday, December 14, 2022 10:07 am 

By default, Apple’s iCloud secures your information by encrypting it when it’s 
in transit, storing it in an encrypted format, and securing your encryption 
keys in Apple data centers. In addition, many Apple services use end-to-end 
encryption; your information is encrypted using keys derived from your devices 
and your device passcode, which only you know. For the highest level of cloud 
data security, you can turn on Advanced Data Protection (iOS 16.2 or later 
required; available only in the U.S., currently).
With Advanced Data Protection enabled, not even Apple will not be access the 
data when it’s stored on the company’s servers.

Advanced Data Protection uses end-to-end encryption on more data categories 
such as the following:
• Device backup
• Messages backup
• iCloud Drive
• Notes
• Photos
• Reminders
• Safari bookmarks
• Siri Shortcuts
• Voice Memos
• Wallet passes

With Advanced Data Protection, your protected data can be decrypted only on 
your trusted devices, protecting your information even in the case of a data 
breach in the cloud. Not even Apple can access your information.

Before you turn on Advanced Data Protection, you’ll be guided to set up at 
least one alternative recovery method: a recovery contact or a recovery key. 
With Advanced Data Protection enabled, Apple doesn’t have the encryption keys 
needed to help you recover your end-to-end encrypted data. If you ever lose 
access to your account, you’ll need to use one of your account recovery methods 
— your device passcode or password, your recovery contact, or recovery key — to 
recover your iCloud data.
Your device passcode or password is the passcode on your iPhone or iPad, or the 
login password on your Mac that you set to protect your device and enable 
two-factor authentication. It’s also used to reset your Apple ID password and 
to recover your end-to-end encrypted data if you lose access to your account.
A recovery contact is a trusted friend or family member who can use their Apple 
device to help you regain access to your account and data. They won’t have any 
access to your account, only the ability to give you a code to help you recover 
your account. Learn more about recovery contacts.
A recovery key is a secret 28-character code that you can use, along with a 
trusted phone number and an Apple device, to recover your account and data. 
Learn more about recovery keys.

To turn on Advanced Data Protection for iCloud, you need:
• An Apple ID with two-factor authentication.
• A passcode or password set for your device.
• At least one account recovery contact or recovery key. If you don’t already 
have one, you’ll be guided to set one up when you turn on Advanced Data 
Protection.
• Updated software on all of the devices where you’re signed in with your Apple 
ID:
iPhone with iOS 16.2
iPad with iPadOS 16.2
Mac with macOS 13.1
Apple Watch with watchOS 9.2
Apple TV with tvOS 16.2
HomePod with software version 16.2
Windows computer with iCloud for Windows 14.1 

RE: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for your iCloud data, Mac Daily News

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I read your article and afterwards checked my iPhone 13 Pro and Advanced Data 
Protection is also available in Canada.
I turned it on, it asks you to set up a recovery contact although I don't think 
it forces you to do so, but if you do they will get a text message and have to 
tap on "Agree" before they are confirmed as a recovery contact.
Otherwise you do as far as I could tell set up a recovery key, it consists of a 
series of 28 random numbers and letters, 7 groups of 4 each. You have to write 
this down because once you tap on continue you have to re-enter that entire 
recovery key before it becomes active.
Lastly, after I was all done my Advanced Data protection was still off so I 
tapped on it again and I was then told that I still hadn't updated my iPad and 
Apple TV and since setting it up on one device then applies the encryption to 
all devices signed in to that Apple Id, they all have to be updated to the 
latest OS version.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for your 
iCloud data, Mac Daily News

How to set up Advanced Data Protection, end-to-end encryption for your iCloud 
data Wednesday, December 14, 2022 10:07 am 

By default, Apple’s iCloud secures your information by encrypting it when it’s 
in transit, storing it in an encrypted format, and securing your encryption 
keys in Apple data centers. In addition, many Apple services use end-to-end 
encryption; your information is encrypted using keys derived from your devices 
and your device passcode, which only you know. For the highest level of cloud 
data security, you can turn on Advanced Data Protection (iOS 16.2 or later 
required; available only in the U.S., currently).
With Advanced Data Protection enabled, not even Apple will not be access the 
data when it’s stored on the company’s servers.

Advanced Data Protection uses end-to-end encryption on more data categories 
such as the following:
• Device backup
• Messages backup
• iCloud Drive
• Notes
• Photos
• Reminders
• Safari bookmarks
• Siri Shortcuts
• Voice Memos
• Wallet passes

With Advanced Data Protection, your protected data can be decrypted only on 
your trusted devices, protecting your information even in the case of a data 
breach in the cloud. Not even Apple can access your information.

Before you turn on Advanced Data Protection, you’ll be guided to set up at 
least one alternative recovery method: a recovery contact or a recovery key. 
With Advanced Data Protection enabled, Apple doesn’t have the encryption keys 
needed to help you recover your end-to-end encrypted data. If you ever lose 
access to your account, you’ll need to use one of your account recovery methods 
— your device passcode or password, your recovery contact, or recovery key — to 
recover your iCloud data.
Your device passcode or password is the passcode on your iPhone or iPad, or the 
login password on your Mac that you set to protect your device and enable 
two-factor authentication. It’s also used to reset your Apple ID password and 
to recover your end-to-end encrypted data if you lose access to your account.
A recovery contact is a trusted friend or family member who can use their Apple 
device to help you regain access to your account and data. They won’t have any 
access to your account, only the ability to give you a code to help you recover 
your account. Learn more about recovery contacts.
A recovery key is a secret 28-character code that you can use, along with a 
trusted phone number and an Apple device, to recover your account and data. 
Learn more about recovery keys.

To turn on Advanced Data Protection for iCloud, you need:
• An Apple ID with two-factor authentication.
• A passcode or password set for your device.
• At least one account recovery contact or recovery key. If you don’t already 
have one, you’ll be guided to set one up when you turn on Advanced Data 
Protection.
• Updated software on all of the devices where you’re signed in with your Apple 
ID:
iPhone with iOS 16.2
iPad with iPadOS 16.2
Mac with macOS 13.1
Apple Watch with watchOS 9.2
Apple TV with tvOS 16.2
HomePod with software version 16.2
Windows computer with iCloud for Windows 14.1 Managed Apple IDs and child 
accounts are not eligible for Advanced Data Protection.

How to turn on Advanced Data Protection for iCloud:
You can turn on Advanced Data Protection on an iPhone with iOS 16.2, iPad with 
iPad OS 16.2, or a Mac with macOS 13.1. Turning on Advanced Data Protection on 
one device enables it for your entire account and all your compatible devices.

On iPhone or iPad:
1. Open the Settings app.
2. Tap your name, then tap iCloud.
3. Scroll down, tap Advanced Data Protection, then tap Turn on Advanced Data 
Protection.
4. Follow the onscreen instructions to review your recovery methods and enable 
Advanced Data Protection.

On Mac: