RE: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

2024-01-03 Thread Richard Turner 
Right, because for you that setting is on.

For some odd reason, mine was off.  Once I turned it on, all works as expected.

 

 

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jennie 
Facer
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 9:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

 

When I open the Mail app, I am on actions.

 

Jenn 

Jenn and Kumi





On Jan 2, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Hmm, good point, I had not yet noticed this, but you are correct, in iOS 17.3 
Beta (not sure if this was already like that in iOS 17.2, you now have the 
following options when you go to Settings > Accessibility > Voiceover > Rotor:

 

First of course the Back button at the top left and then the heading “Rotor”.

If you swipe right you then have “Rotor Items, button” and when you double tap 
on this you have the familiar list of things you can select, deselect and 
reorder.

If you swipe right again, you now have this new item called “”Change rotor with 
item, switch button” and of course it can be “On” r “Off”. Swipe right again 
and you hear the following description:

Changes the selected rotor based on the Voiceover focused item.

For me this was On, so maybe check if it is on or not and if it is not, turn it 
on and see if it gives you the more familiar experience.

And just to be complete, if you swipe right again, you get “Edit apps on home 
screen, switch button, on”, again it was on for me.

Swipe right one final time and you get “Direct Touch Apps, button” and after 
that the explanation:

Direct Touch allows Voiceover to control an app directly without requiring more 
interactions.

I have to yet try this, but if I double tap on the button it then says:

“Direct Touch apps, heading”, after this “Apply To, heading” and then it goes 
into a list of all apps and items on my iPhone and by default they all say 
“Selected” for me.

 

Then if I swipe right I 

s

 

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

 

I did notice a VO setting to change the default rotor location. Perhaps 
changing this will give you back the old behavior.

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jan 2, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



This is likely the same in iOS 17.2... but has anyone else been bothered by 
the fact that the rotor, especially in the mail app, instead of defaulting to 
Actions, it defaults to headings? I find each time I open the mail app, and 
land on a message or thread, I have to change the rotor to actions in order to 
flick up to delete the message or thread.

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 






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Re: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

2024-01-03 Thread Jennie Facer 
When I open the Mail app, I am on actions.Jenn Jenn and KumiOn Jan 2, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Hmm, good point, I had not yet noticed this, but you are correct, in iOS 17.3 Beta (not sure if this was already like that in iOS 17.2, you now have the following options when you go to Settings > Accessibility > Voiceover > Rotor:
 
First of course the Back button at the top left and then the heading “Rotor”.
If you swipe right you then have “Rotor Items, button” and when you double tap on this you have the familiar list of things you can select, deselect and reorder.
If you swipe right again, you now have this new item called “”Change rotor with item, switch button” and of course it can be “On” r “Off”. Swipe right again and you hear the following description:
Changes the selected rotor based on the Voiceover focused item.
For me this was On, so maybe check if it is on or not and if it is not, turn it on and see if it gives you the more familiar experience.
And just to be complete, if you swipe right again, you get “Edit apps on home screen, switch button, on”, again it was on for me.
Swipe right one final time and you get “Direct Touch Apps, button” and after that the explanation:
Direct Touch allows Voiceover to control an app directly without requiring more interactions.
I have to yet try this, but if I double tap on the button it then says:
“Direct Touch apps, heading”, after this “Apply To, heading” and then it goes into a list of all apps and items on my iPhone and by default they all say “Selected” for me.
 
Then if I swipe right I 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:33 PM
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I did notice a VO setting to change the default rotor location. Perhaps changing this will give you back the old behavior.

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jan 2, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:






This is likely the same in iOS 17.2... but has anyone else been bothered by the fact that the rotor, especially in the mail app, instead of defaulting to Actions, it defaults to headings? I find each time I open the mail app, and land
 on a message or thread, I have to change the rotor to actions in order to flick up to delete the message or thread.


 


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Re: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

2024-01-03 Thread matthew dyer 
I think I remember seeing this in 17.2.  I can’t remember,ber if it was 
headings though.  This at least seems to be the case in an open message.  In 
the message list, this seems to be set to actions.

Matthew



> On Jan 2, 2024, at 4:16 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> This is likely the same in iOS 17.2... but has anyone else been bothered by 
> the fact that the rotor, especially in the mail app, instead of defaulting to 
> Actions, it defaults to headings? I find each time I open the mail app, and 
> land on a message or thread, I have to change the rotor to actions in order 
> to flick up to delete the message or thread.
> 
> Richard, USA
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> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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RE: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

2024-01-02 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Hmm, good point, I had not yet noticed this, but you are correct, in iOS 17.3 
Beta (not sure if this was already like that in iOS 17.2, you now have the 
following options when you go to Settings > Accessibility > Voiceover > Rotor:

First of course the Back button at the top left and then the heading “Rotor”.
If you swipe right you then have “Rotor Items, button” and when you double tap 
on this you have the familiar list of things you can select, deselect and 
reorder.
If you swipe right again, you now have this new item called “”Change rotor with 
item, switch button” and of course it can be “On” r “Off”. Swipe right again 
and you hear the following description:
Changes the selected rotor based on the Voiceover focused item.
For me this was On, so maybe check if it is on or not and if it is not, turn it 
on and see if it gives you the more familiar experience.
And just to be complete, if you swipe right again, you get “Edit apps on home 
screen, switch button, on”, again it was on for me.
Swipe right one final time and you get “Direct Touch Apps, button” and after 
that the explanation:
Direct Touch allows Voiceover to control an app directly without requiring more 
interactions.
I have to yet try this, but if I double tap on the button it then says:
“Direct Touch apps, heading”, after this “Apply To, heading” and then it goes 
into a list of all apps and items on my iPhone and by default they all say 
“Selected” for me.

Then if I swipe right I
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jonathan 
Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

I did notice a VO setting to change the default rotor location. Perhaps 
changing this will give you back the old behavior.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 2, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

This is likely the same in iOS 17.2... but has anyone else been bothered by 
the fact that the rotor, especially in the mail app, instead of defaulting to 
Actions, it defaults to headings? I find each time I open the mail app, and 
land on a message or thread, I have to change the rotor to actions in order to 
flick up to delete the message or thread.

Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

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Re: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

2024-01-02 Thread Earle 
This is a new setting. I can't remember exactly when it was introduced. It allows you to keep your rotor on the setting you leave it at, instead of allowing iOS to decide when it should change. There are some situations when I find this setting quite useful. I like to use it if I'm reading a long email that has a lot of headings in it. This way I can change the setting to ensure that it stays on headings even if I flick through the email.EarleSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 2, 2024, at 9:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Not happening for me.
I just checked again, my Mail app was closed and when I opened it to my business inbox I flicked up once and Voiceover announced “Delete”.
 


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Subject: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta


 

This is likely the same in iOS 17.2... but has anyone else been bothered by the fact that the rotor, especially in the mail app, instead of defaulting to Actions, it defaults to headings? I find each time I open the mail app, and land
 on a message or thread, I have to change the rotor to actions in order to flick up to delete the message or thread.


 


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RE: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

2024-01-02 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Not happening for me.
I just checked again, my Mail app was closed and when I opened it to my 
business inbox I flicked up once and Voiceover announced “Delete”.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:17 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

This is likely the same in iOS 17.2... but has anyone else been bothered by 
the fact that the rotor, especially in the mail app, instead of defaulting to 
Actions, it defaults to headings? I find each time I open the mail app, and 
land on a message or thread, I have to change the rotor to actions in order to 
flick up to delete the message or thread.

Richard, USA
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RE: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

2024-01-02 Thread Richard Turner 
Yes, it is in the rotor settings.

If people are not having this issue, it is probably because it is set to on for 
them.

For me it was off for some reason.

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 4:14 PM
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Richard is this under rotor?

 

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Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 5:00 PM
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Subject: Re: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

 

I found the following setting:

Change Rotor with Item 

I just turned that on, and I think that may have done the trick. At least the 
couple times I have closed and opened mail, it is defaulting to Actions instead 
of headings. Thanks.

Richard, USA

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-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 









On Jan 2, 2024, at 1:33 PM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jccacc...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I did notice a VO setting to change the default rotor location. Perhaps 
changing this will give you back the old behavior.

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 2, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



This is likely the same in iOS 17.2... but has anyone else been bothered by 
the fact that the rotor, especially in the mail app, instead of defaulting to 
Actions, it defaults to headings? I find each time I open the mail app, and 
land on a message or thread, I have to change the rotor to actions in order to 
flick up to delete the message or thread.

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
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RE: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

2024-01-02 Thread Dennis Long 
Richard is this under rotor?
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 5:00 PM
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Subject: Re: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta
 
I found the following setting:
Change Rotor with Item 
I just turned that on, and I think that may have done the trick. At least the 
couple times I have closed and opened mail, it is defaulting to Actions instead 
of headings. Thanks.
Richard, USA
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On Jan 2, 2024, at 1:33 PM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jccacc...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I did notice a VO setting to change the default rotor location. Perhaps 
changing this will give you back the old behavior.
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Jan 2, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

This is likely the same in iOS 17.2... but has anyone else been bothered by 
the fact that the rotor, especially in the mail app, instead of defaulting to 
Actions, it defaults to headings? I find each time I open the mail app, and 
land on a message or thread, I have to change the rotor to actions in order to 
flick up to delete the message or thread.
 
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RE: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

2024-01-02 Thread chrisjudge1967 
Hi. It’s not doing that for me, it’s working as it always did.

 

Chris Judge

 



 

 



 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 5:17 PM
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Subject: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

 

This is likely the same in iOS 17.2... but has anyone else been bothered by 
the fact that the rotor, especially in the mail app, instead of defaulting to 
Actions, it defaults to headings? I find each time I open the mail app, and 
land on a message or thread, I have to change the rotor to actions in order to 
flick up to delete the message or thread.

 

Richard, USA

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Re: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

2024-01-02 Thread Richard Turner 
I found the following setting:Change Rotor with Item I just turned that on, and I think that may have done the trick. At least the couple times I have closed and opened mail, it is defaulting to Actions instead of headings. Thanks.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Jan 2, 2024, at 1:33 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:I did notice a VO setting to change the default rotor location. Perhaps changing this will give you back the old behavior.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 2, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:This is likely the same in iOS 17.2... but has anyone else been bothered by the fact that the rotor, especially in the mail app, instead of defaulting to Actions, it defaults to headings? I find each time I open the mail app, and land on a message or thread, I have to change the rotor to actions in order to flick up to delete the message or thread.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ 



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Re: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

2024-01-02 Thread Jonathan Cohn 
I did notice a VO setting to change the default rotor location. Perhaps changing this will give you back the old behavior.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 2, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:This is likely the same in iOS 17.2... but has anyone else been bothered by the fact that the rotor, especially in the mail app, instead of defaulting to Actions, it defaults to headings? I find each time I open the mail app, and land on a message or thread, I have to change the rotor to actions in order to flick up to delete the message or thread.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ 



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