RE: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in audio - The Verge

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is good to know, I thought Sonos could run alongside either Alexa or 
Google Assistant. I think maybe it's because I think Google has started some 
sort of legal action against Sonos because they claim the Sonos voice assistant 
is using Google technology or whatever stupid thing.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 2:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" 
in audio - The Verge

Just as an FYI, but on my Sonos Roam, I can run Alexa and the Sonos Assistant 
at the same time. If I were to use Google Assistant then that would be the only 
assistant I could have running.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 2:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" 
in audio - The Verge

You can, first of all the Five is the only speaker which doesn't have 
microphones, their 3 soundbars all do as does the Sonos One, Move and Roam (the 
latter two are their rechargeable, portable speakers). As somebody else pointed 
out, there is a Sonos One SL as well as versions of the soundbars which don't 
have microphones. As for the Five, all you would have to do is put an Echo Dot 
in the same room as your Five or stereo pair of Fives and then set up the Sonos 
Five as the default speaker in the Alexa app and it is basically like having 
Alexa on the speaker, of course you would not get the Sonos voice assistant, 
but it primarily shines for Sonos related stuff like asking it to group 
speakers and so on.

I can't wait to find out what the Era 100 and 300 have to offer and there are 
rumours that a larger Era 500 will follow later, but of course nobody really 
knows whereas the 100 and 300 are confirmed and most likely will be announced 
shortly as is the second generation Move. The Move by the way is an amazing 
speaker, I think it is relatively close to the Five in sound quality and it 
does have microphones.

Later this year the first of the 4 new categeories Sonos said they wil l enter 
will be announced and I sure hope it will finally be a headset although it is 
expected that another of these categories will be car audio. Sonos is 
definitely still king whenb it comes to multi-room audio with their broad 
offering of speakers from the small and larger portable (Roam and Move) to the 
Sonos One and Sonos Five, the 3 sound bars (Ray, Beam and Arc) and the Sonos 
wireless Sub and Sub Mini. Lastly there is the Amp which can connect either to 
traditional bookshelf, tower or architectural speakers (in-wall and in-ceiling) 
and the Sonos Port which doesn't get as much hipe, but it's a great device if 
you have a very good existing stereo system or surround system and you want to 
add it into the Sonos eco system. Combine all that with a huge selection of 
online music services you can connect to in the Sonos app, Airplay 2 support 
and Bluetooth streaming (for now only possible to the Roam and Move, but 
expected to potentially be on the new Era speakers) and you have an incredibly 
versatile system. I even read an article about a new receiver (I think it might 
have been Yahama, but could have been a different brand) which has some sort of 
Sonos integration built into the amp.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 9:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" 
in audio - The Verge

I heard a Charge five and the sound was awesome! Unfortunately, it did not have 
Alexa integration. I decided to go for a Marshall Alexa powered speaker with 
Blue Tooth.  For those using sonos, do you wish you could use it with Alexa?

Kelly



On 2/10/23, 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone  wrote:
> I thought about grabbing a Sonos Move this week as I have a coupon for 
> a discount that expires Sunday. But now I am going to wait and see if 
> they will refresh that model. I bought a roam last year and gave it to 
> Nicki, my wife, who had a specific need for it and it serves her well.
> The accessibility of the Sonos system is very good except on the Mac. 
> I made several requests to have their Mac app as accessible as the PC 
> and iPhone app.
> Regarding the battery status, however, I have several Sony Headphones 
> that will give me the battery status with the push of a button. I have 
> two
> WH1000-XM4 which still sell on Amazon for around $250 even though the
> XN5 model is available for around $350. The right side of the 
> headphones are touch but very accessible. The left side has push 
> buttons. One button speaks the battery status when

RE: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in audio - The Verge

[Christopher Chaltain]

Just as an FYI, but on my Sonos Roam, I can run Alexa and the Sonos Assistant 
at the same time. If I were to use Google Assistant then that would be the only 
assistant I could have running.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 2:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" 
in audio - The Verge

You can, first of all the Five is the only speaker which doesn't have 
microphones, their 3 soundbars all do as does the Sonos One, Move and Roam (the 
latter two are their rechargeable, portable speakers). As somebody else pointed 
out, there is a Sonos One SL as well as versions of the soundbars which don't 
have microphones. As for the Five, all you would have to do is put an Echo Dot 
in the same room as your Five or stereo pair of Fives and then set up the Sonos 
Five as the default speaker in the Alexa app and it is basically like having 
Alexa on the speaker, of course you would not get the Sonos voice assistant, 
but it primarily shines for Sonos related stuff like asking it to group 
speakers and so on.

I can't wait to find out what the Era 100 and 300 have to offer and there are 
rumours that a larger Era 500 will follow later, but of course nobody really 
knows whereas the 100 and 300 are confirmed and most likely will be announced 
shortly as is the second generation Move. The Move by the way is an amazing 
speaker, I think it is relatively close to the Five in sound quality and it 
does have microphones.

Later this year the first of the 4 new categeories Sonos said they wil l enter 
will be announced and I sure hope it will finally be a headset although it is 
expected that another of these categories will be car audio. Sonos is 
definitely still king whenb it comes to multi-room audio with their broad 
offering of speakers from the small and larger portable (Roam and Move) to the 
Sonos One and Sonos Five, the 3 sound bars (Ray, Beam and Arc) and the Sonos 
wireless Sub and Sub Mini. Lastly there is the Amp which can connect either to 
traditional bookshelf, tower or architectural speakers (in-wall and in-ceiling) 
and the Sonos Port which doesn't get as much hipe, but it's a great device if 
you have a very good existing stereo system or surround system and you want to 
add it into the Sonos eco system. Combine all that with a huge selection of 
online music services you can connect to in the Sonos app, Airplay 2 support 
and Bluetooth streaming (for now only possible to the Roam and Move, but 
expected to potentially be on the new Era speakers) and you have an incredibly 
versatile system. I even read an article about a new receiver (I think it might 
have been Yahama, but could have been a different brand) which has some sort of 
Sonos integration built into the amp.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 9:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" 
in audio - The Verge

I heard a Charge five and the sound was awesome! Unfortunately, it did not have 
Alexa integration. I decided to go for a Marshall Alexa powered speaker with 
Blue Tooth.  For those using sonos, do you wish you could use it with Alexa?

Kelly



On 2/10/23, 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone  wrote:
> I thought about grabbing a Sonos Move this week as I have a coupon for 
> a discount that expires Sunday. But now I am going to wait and see if 
> they will refresh that model. I bought a roam last year and gave it to 
> Nicki, my wife, who had a specific need for it and it serves her well.
> The accessibility of the Sonos system is very good except on the Mac. 
> I made several requests to have their Mac app as accessible as the PC 
> and iPhone app.
> Regarding the battery status, however, I have several Sony Headphones 
> that will give me the battery status with the push of a button. I have 
> two
> WH1000-XM4 which still sell on Amazon for around $250 even though the
> XN5 model is available for around $350. The right side of the 
> headphones are touch but very accessible. The left side has push 
> buttons. One button speaks the battery status when pushed while the 
> headphones are in operation.
> If I didn’t already own the WH1000-XM4 I would have the XM5 because of 
> the greater noise reduction for making calls in a crowded room. But 
> the XN4 are my go to headphones on the iPhone and totally accessible.
> Getting back to Sonos, I have never been disappointed with their 
> quality or their committment to accessibility. If I lived in a house 
> rather than an apartment, I would own a lot more than the ten Sonos 
> speakers that I currently do own.
> Merv
>
> _
> I

RE: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in audio - The Verge

[Sieghard Weitzel]

But to be clear, it is not possible to enable both Alexa and Google Assistant 
at the same time, but it's not too difficult to switch; I find I prefer to have 
Alexa on my Sonos speakers since I have it set up in the Alexa app that Apple 
Music is my default service and this way I can also use it for asking Alexa to 
play any of my audio books on any of my Sonos speakers.
We also have a few Google speakers around the house which I typically prefer 
for asking about stuff, as for home automation most of our stuff works through 
Alexa just as it does through Google. Our older Honeywell T5 thermostat is the 
exception, it used to work with Alexa and I have the skill set up and it says 
it is linked, but whenever I ask Alexa to change the temperature she says she 
can't find the device or something similar, but I got it to work fine with 
Google Assistant.


From: 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" 
in audio - The Verge

Sonos has three options unless you get the models without microphones. Those 
options are Alexa, Google, and Sonos. You can run Sonos alongside Google and 
Alexa. Sorry if I evoked one or another of your speakers. Both Sonos and Google 
have Hey before them to prevent such issues. Sonos is rather basic but is very 
nice for controlling the alarm when you are half asleep in the morning and need 
to have music changed or volume along with your alarm.
Merv

_
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other Lady A powered device then check out a group of blind users who have been 
around for years and love the Lady A.
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On Feb 12, 2023, at 10:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I have a Sonos Roam, and I do use it with Alexa. I could also use it with 
Google assistant if I wanted to. I think other Sonos speakers also have Alexa 
as an option.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 11:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" 
in audio - The Verge

I heard a Charge five and the sound was awesome! Unfortunately, it did not have 
Alexa integration. I decided to go for a Marshall Alexa powered speaker with 
Blue Tooth.  For those using sonos, do you wish you could use it with Alexa?

Kelly



On 2/10/23, 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone  wrote:

I thought about grabbing a Sonos Move this week as I have a coupon for
a discount that expires Sunday. But now I am going to wait and see if
they will refresh that model. I bought a roam last year and gave it to
Nicki, my wife, who had a specific need for it and it serves her well.
The accessibility of the Sonos system is very good except on the Mac.
I made several requests to have their Mac app as accessible as the PC
and iPhone app.
Regarding the battery status, however, I have several Sony Headphones
that will give me the battery status with the push of a button. I have
two
WH1000-XM4 which still sell on Amazon for around $250 even though the
XN5 model is available for around $350. The right side of the
headphones are touch but very accessible. The left side has push
buttons. One button speaks the battery status when pushed while the headphones 
are in operation.
If I didn’t already own the WH1000-XM4 I would have the XM5 because of
the greater noise reduction for making calls in a crowded room. But
the XN4 are my go to headphones on the iPhone and totally accessible.
Getting back to Sonos, I have never been disappointed with their
quality or their committment to accessibility. If I lived in a house
rather than an apartment, I would own a lot more than the ten Sonos
speakers that I currently do own.
Merv

_
If you have questions regarding Sonos, Fire TV, Fire Stick, Fire Cube,
Echo or other Lady A powered device, we are the oldest and largest
group dedicated to blind users:
main+subscr...@echoing.groups.io
main+<mailto:main+subscr...@echoing.groups.io>

If you own an Apple Watch, let’s get uncomplicated together. We are a
group of blind users that have been around for a few years and support
any ad all models of the Apple Watch.
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On Feb 10, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:

Thanks for that: am interested in what the Era models will be like.

While on the subject of Sonos: I was wondering recently whether there
are any other brands who have speakers which one can speak to and get
the information about t

RE: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in audio - The Verge

[Sieghard Weitzel]

10 Sonos speakers in an apartment is certainly a lot unless your apartment is 
bigger than most people's houses! I am actually in the process of downsizing my 
Sonos system a bit, we currently have 3 stereo pairs of Sonos On (bathroom, 
kitchen and my woodworking shop) and I used to have a stereo pair of Five in 
the bedroom as well as a set of One SL as rear speakers for our Sonos surround 
setup in the living room.
After we did a renovation a year ago combining our master bedroom (which wasn't 
that big) with another bedroom next door to a larger master bedroom and making 
the third bedroom upstairs and a short hallway part of the now much larger 
living room, I put in-wall speakers into the new bedroom wall which are 
connected to a Sonos Amp which sits on a high shelf in a walk-in closet. I then 
replaced the One SL speakers with the set ofg Fives for a better rear surround 
experience. This leaves me with the 2 One SL speakers as well as the 2 stereo 
pair of Sonos One from the kitchen and my workshop and I am planning to sell 
all 6 of them since I now bought a second Move to make a stereo pair and this 
will be in the kitchen and it can go into my workshop oru outside if we want it 
there since it has a rechargeable battery. Of course I may end up selling the 
pair of Fives as well if the new Era 100 and 300 have upfiring speakers for a 
better Dolby Atmos experience and ultimately we are also planning a bathroom 
reno and I am pretty sure I will at that stage go back to in-wall or in-ceiling 
speakers connected to an Amp instead of having the Sonos Ones mounted to the 
wall. 2 sets of my Ones are first generation so I can get the 15% upgrade 
credit on them which I can then use for adding some of the Era 100 or 300, it 
was definitely a smart move when Sonos introduced these upgrade credits. I had 
quite a bit old Sonos gear from around 2009/2010 and all of that qualified for 
the 30% upgrade credit and since Sonos still let's you sell it, I got some 
pretty good deals on the newer stuff.


From: 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2023 10:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" 
in audio - The Verge

I thought about grabbing a Sonos Move this week as I have a coupon for a 
discount that expires Sunday. But now I am going to wait and see if they will 
refresh that model. I bought a roam last year and gave it to Nicki, my wife, 
who had a specific need for it and it serves her well. The accessibility of the 
Sonos system is very good except on the Mac. I made several requests to have 
their Mac app as accessible as the PC and iPhone app.
Regarding the battery status, however, I have several Sony Headphones that will 
give me the battery status with the push of a button. I have two WH1000-XM4 
which still sell on Amazon for around $250 even though the XN5 model is 
available for around $350. The right side of the headphones are touch but very 
accessible. The left side has push buttons. One button speaks the battery 
status when pushed while the headphones are in operation.
If I didn’t already own the WH1000-XM4 I would have the XM5 because of the 
greater noise reduction for making calls in a crowded room. But the XN4 are my 
go to headphones on the iPhone and totally accessible.
Getting back to Sonos, I have never been disappointed with their quality or 
their committment to accessibility. If I lived in a house rather than an 
apartment, I would own a lot more than the ten Sonos speakers that I currently 
do own.
Merv

_
If you have questions regarding Sonos, Fire TV, Fire Stick, Fire Cube, Echo or 
other Lady A powered device, we are the oldest and largest group dedicated to 
blind users:
main+subscr...@echoing.groups.io<mailto:main+subscr...@echoing.groups.io>

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On Feb 10, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Angie Nutt 
mailto:an...@comproom.co.uk>> wrote:

Thanks for that: am interested in what the Era models will be like.

While on the subject of Sonos: I was wondering recently whether there are any 
other brands who have speakers which one can speak to and get the information 
about the battery spoken back. When I discovered I had access to Sonos Voice I 
quickly got it set up and was blown away by the fact that I could do that. To 
my mind, that makes them  eminently accessible. There are other bluetooth 
speakers and headphones on which one can press a button and get that 
information but this is the first time I’ve seen anything quite like what I can 
do with my Roam and Move.

All the best
Angie



On 9 Feb 2023, at 17:52, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Here the other artic

RE: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in audio - The Verge

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can, first of all the Five is the only speaker which doesn't have 
microphones, their 3 soundbars all do as does the Sonos One, Move and Roam (the 
latter two are their rechargeable, portable speakers). As somebody else pointed 
out, there is a Sonos One SL as well as versions of the soundbars which don't 
have microphones. As for the Five, all you would have to do is put an Echo Dot 
in the same room as your Five or stereo pair of Fives and then set up the Sonos 
Five as the default speaker in the Alexa app and it is basically like having 
Alexa on the speaker, of course you would not get the Sonos voice assistant, 
but it primarily shines for Sonos related stuff like asking it to group 
speakers and so on.

I can't wait to find out what the Era 100 and 300 have to offer and there are 
rumours that a larger Era 500 will follow later, but of course nobody really 
knows whereas the 100 and 300 are confirmed and most likely will be announced 
shortly as is the second generation Move. The Move by the way is an amazing 
speaker, I think it is relatively close to the Five in sound quality and it 
does have microphones.

Later this year the first of the 4 new categeories Sonos said they wil l enter 
will be announced and I sure hope it will finally be a headset although it is 
expected that another of these categories will be car audio. Sonos is 
definitely still king whenb it comes to multi-room audio with their broad 
offering of speakers from the small and larger portable (Roam and Move) to the 
Sonos One and Sonos Five, the 3 sound bars (Ray, Beam and Arc) and the Sonos 
wireless Sub and Sub Mini. Lastly there is the Amp which can connect either to 
traditional bookshelf, tower or architectural speakers (in-wall and in-ceiling) 
and the Sonos Port which doesn't get as much hipe, but it's a great device if 
you have a very good existing stereo system or surround system and you want to 
add it into the Sonos eco system. Combine all that with a huge selection of 
online music services you can connect to in the Sonos app, Airplay 2 support 
and Bluetooth streaming (for now only possible to the Roam and Move, but 
expected to potentially be on the new Era speakers) and you have an incredibly 
versatile system. I even read an article about a new receiver (I think it might 
have been Yahama, but could have been a different brand) which has some sort of 
Sonos integration built into the amp.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 9:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" 
in audio - The Verge

I heard a Charge five and the sound was awesome! Unfortunately, it did not have 
Alexa integration. I decided to go for a Marshall Alexa powered speaker with 
Blue Tooth.  For those using sonos, do you wish you could use it with Alexa?

Kelly



On 2/10/23, 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone  wrote:
> I thought about grabbing a Sonos Move this week as I have a coupon for 
> a discount that expires Sunday. But now I am going to wait and see if 
> they will refresh that model. I bought a roam last year and gave it to 
> Nicki, my wife, who had a specific need for it and it serves her well. 
> The accessibility of the Sonos system is very good except on the Mac. 
> I made several requests to have their Mac app as accessible as the PC 
> and iPhone app.
> Regarding the battery status, however, I have several Sony Headphones 
> that will give me the battery status with the push of a button. I have 
> two
> WH1000-XM4 which still sell on Amazon for around $250 even though the 
> XN5 model is available for around $350. The right side of the 
> headphones are touch but very accessible. The left side has push 
> buttons. One button speaks the battery status when pushed while the 
> headphones are in operation.
> If I didn’t already own the WH1000-XM4 I would have the XM5 because of 
> the greater noise reduction for making calls in a crowded room. But 
> the XN4 are my go to headphones on the iPhone and totally accessible.
> Getting back to Sonos, I have never been disappointed with their 
> quality or their committment to accessibility. If I lived in a house 
> rather than an apartment, I would own a lot more than the ten Sonos 
> speakers that I currently do own.
> Merv
>
> _
> If you have questions regarding Sonos, Fire TV, Fire Stick, Fire Cube, 
> Echo or other Lady A powered device, we are the oldest and largest 
> group dedicated to blind users:
> main+subscr...@echoing.groups.io 
> main+<mailto:main+subscr...@echoing.groups.io>
>
> If you own an Apple Watch, let’s get uncomplicated together. We are a 
> group of blind users that have been around for a few years and support 
> any ad all models of the Apple Watch.
> applewatchuncomplicated+subscr..

Re: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in audio - The Verge

['Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone]

Sonos has three options unless you get the models without microphones. Those 
options are Alexa, Google, and Sonos. You can run Sonos alongside Google and 
Alexa. Sorry if I evoked one or another of your speakers. Both Sonos and Google 
have Hey before them to prevent such issues. Sonos is rather basic but is very 
nice for controlling the alarm when you are half asleep in the morning and need 
to have music changed or volume along with your alarm.
Merv

_
If you are interested in all things Sonos, Fire TV, Cube, Stick, Echo, Echo or 
other Lady A powered device then check out a group of blind users who have been 
around for years and love the Lady A.
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The Apple Watch gets Uncomplicated right here:
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<mailto:applewatchuncomplicated+subscr...@groups.io>


> On Feb 12, 2023, at 10:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a Sonos Roam, and I do use it with Alexa. I could also use it with 
> Google assistant if I wanted to. I think other Sonos speakers also have Alexa 
> as an option.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
> Pierce
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 11:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything 
> interesting" in audio - The Verge
> 
> I heard a Charge five and the sound was awesome! Unfortunately, it did not 
> have Alexa integration. I decided to go for a Marshall Alexa powered speaker 
> with Blue Tooth.  For those using sonos, do you wish you could use it with 
> Alexa?
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/10/23, 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone  wrote:
>> I thought about grabbing a Sonos Move this week as I have a coupon for 
>> a discount that expires Sunday. But now I am going to wait and see if 
>> they will refresh that model. I bought a roam last year and gave it to 
>> Nicki, my wife, who had a specific need for it and it serves her well. 
>> The accessibility of the Sonos system is very good except on the Mac. 
>> I made several requests to have their Mac app as accessible as the PC 
>> and iPhone app.
>> Regarding the battery status, however, I have several Sony Headphones 
>> that will give me the battery status with the push of a button. I have 
>> two
>> WH1000-XM4 which still sell on Amazon for around $250 even though the 
>> XN5 model is available for around $350. The right side of the 
>> headphones are touch but very accessible. The left side has push 
>> buttons. One button speaks the battery status when pushed while the 
>> headphones are in operation.
>> If I didn’t already own the WH1000-XM4 I would have the XM5 because of 
>> the greater noise reduction for making calls in a crowded room. But 
>> the XN4 are my go to headphones on the iPhone and totally accessible.
>> Getting back to Sonos, I have never been disappointed with their 
>> quality or their committment to accessibility. If I lived in a house 
>> rather than an apartment, I would own a lot more than the ten Sonos 
>> speakers that I currently do own.
>> Merv
>> 
>> _
>> If you have questions regarding Sonos, Fire TV, Fire Stick, Fire Cube, 
>> Echo or other Lady A powered device, we are the oldest and largest 
>> group dedicated to blind users:
>> main+subscr...@echoing.groups.io 
>> main+<mailto:main+subscr...@echoing.groups.io>
>> 
>> If you own an Apple Watch, let’s get uncomplicated together. We are a 
>> group of blind users that have been around for a few years and support 
>> any ad all models of the Apple Watch.
>> applewatchuncomplicated+subscr...@groups.io
>> <mailto:applewatchuncomplicated+subscr...@groups.io>
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that: am interested in what the Era models will be like.
>>> 
>>> While on the subject of Sonos: I was wondering recently whether there 
>>> are any other brands who have speakers which one can speak to and get 
>>> the information about the battery spoken back. When I discovered I 
>>> had access to Sonos Voice I quickly got it set up and was blown away 
>>> by the fact that I could do that. To my mind, that makes them  
>>> eminently accessible. There are other bluetooth speakers and 
>>> headphones on which one can press a button and get that information 
>>> but this is the first time I’ve seen anything quite like what I can do with 
>>> my Roam and Move.
&

RE: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in audio - The Verge

[Christopher Chaltain]

I have a Sonos Roam, and I do use it with Alexa. I could also use it with 
Google assistant if I wanted to. I think other Sonos speakers also have Alexa 
as an option.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 11:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" 
in audio - The Verge

I heard a Charge five and the sound was awesome! Unfortunately, it did not have 
Alexa integration. I decided to go for a Marshall Alexa powered speaker with 
Blue Tooth.  For those using sonos, do you wish you could use it with Alexa?

Kelly



On 2/10/23, 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone  wrote:
> I thought about grabbing a Sonos Move this week as I have a coupon for 
> a discount that expires Sunday. But now I am going to wait and see if 
> they will refresh that model. I bought a roam last year and gave it to 
> Nicki, my wife, who had a specific need for it and it serves her well. 
> The accessibility of the Sonos system is very good except on the Mac. 
> I made several requests to have their Mac app as accessible as the PC 
> and iPhone app.
> Regarding the battery status, however, I have several Sony Headphones 
> that will give me the battery status with the push of a button. I have 
> two
> WH1000-XM4 which still sell on Amazon for around $250 even though the 
> XN5 model is available for around $350. The right side of the 
> headphones are touch but very accessible. The left side has push 
> buttons. One button speaks the battery status when pushed while the 
> headphones are in operation.
> If I didn’t already own the WH1000-XM4 I would have the XM5 because of 
> the greater noise reduction for making calls in a crowded room. But 
> the XN4 are my go to headphones on the iPhone and totally accessible.
> Getting back to Sonos, I have never been disappointed with their 
> quality or their committment to accessibility. If I lived in a house 
> rather than an apartment, I would own a lot more than the ten Sonos 
> speakers that I currently do own.
> Merv
>
> _
> If you have questions regarding Sonos, Fire TV, Fire Stick, Fire Cube, 
> Echo or other Lady A powered device, we are the oldest and largest 
> group dedicated to blind users:
> main+subscr...@echoing.groups.io 
> main+<mailto:main+subscr...@echoing.groups.io>
>
> If you own an Apple Watch, let’s get uncomplicated together. We are a 
> group of blind users that have been around for a few years and support 
> any ad all models of the Apple Watch.
> applewatchuncomplicated+subscr...@groups.io
> <mailto:applewatchuncomplicated+subscr...@groups.io>
>
>
>> On Feb 10, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for that: am interested in what the Era models will be like.
>>
>> While on the subject of Sonos: I was wondering recently whether there 
>> are any other brands who have speakers which one can speak to and get 
>> the information about the battery spoken back. When I discovered I 
>> had access to Sonos Voice I quickly got it set up and was blown away 
>> by the fact that I could do that. To my mind, that makes them  
>> eminently accessible. There are other bluetooth speakers and 
>> headphones on which one can press a button and get that information 
>> but this is the first time I’ve seen anything quite like what I can do with 
>> my Roam and Move.
>>
>> All the best
>> Angie
>>
>>
>>> On 9 Feb 2023, at 17:52, Sieghard Weitzel >> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here the other article from The Verge:
>>>
>>> Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in 
>>> audio And he doesn’t sound particularly impressed by Apple’s 
>>> second-generation HomePod, either.
>>> By CHRIS WELCH/ Feb 8, 2023, 3:53 PM PST
>>>
>>> During Sonos’ Q1 2023 earnings call, CEO Patrick Spence expressed 
>>> the usual optimism about his company’s financial performance, sales 
>>> momentum, and upcoming product roadmap. This man really loves the word 
>>> “flywheel,”
>>> folks. But he also took clear jabs at Big Tech competitors, 
>>> including Amazon, Google, and Apple, for barely putting up a fight 
>>> in recent months. With Amazon rumored to be taking a hard look at 
>>> its ambitions surrounding Alexa and Echo products and Google largely 
>>> focused on all things Pixel, Spence said that Sonos faced no serious 
>>> competition during the crucial holiday quarter. “We’ve gone through 
>>> fiscal Q1, whic

Re: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in audio - The Verge

[Kelly Pierce]

I heard a Charge five and the sound was awesome! Unfortunately, it did
not have Alexa integration. I decided to go for a Marshall Alexa
powered speaker with Blue Tooth.  For those using sonos, do you wish
you could use it with Alexa?

Kelly



On 2/10/23, 'Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone  wrote:
> I thought about grabbing a Sonos Move this week as I have a coupon for a
> discount that expires Sunday. But now I am going to wait and see if they
> will refresh that model. I bought a roam last year and gave it to Nicki, my
> wife, who had a specific need for it and it serves her well. The
> accessibility of the Sonos system is very good except on the Mac. I made
> several requests to have their Mac app as accessible as the PC and iPhone
> app.
> Regarding the battery status, however, I have several Sony Headphones that
> will give me the battery status with the push of a button. I have two
> WH1000-XM4 which still sell on Amazon for around $250 even though the XN5
> model is available for around $350. The right side of the headphones are
> touch but very accessible. The left side has push buttons. One button speaks
> the battery status when pushed while the headphones are in operation.
> If I didn’t already own the WH1000-XM4 I would have the XM5 because of the
> greater noise reduction for making calls in a crowded room. But the XN4 are
> my go to headphones on the iPhone and totally accessible.
> Getting back to Sonos, I have never been disappointed with their quality or
> their committment to accessibility. If I lived in a house rather than an
> apartment, I would own a lot more than the ten Sonos speakers that I
> currently do own.
> Merv
>
> _
> If you have questions regarding Sonos, Fire TV, Fire Stick, Fire Cube, Echo
> or other Lady A powered device, we are the oldest and largest group
> dedicated to blind users:
> main+subscr...@echoing.groups.io 
>
> If you own an Apple Watch, let’s get uncomplicated together. We are a group
> of blind users that have been around for a few years and support any ad all
> models of the Apple Watch.
> applewatchuncomplicated+subscr...@groups.io
> 
>
>
>> On Feb 10, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for that: am interested in what the Era models will be like.
>>
>> While on the subject of Sonos: I was wondering recently whether there are
>> any other brands who have speakers which one can speak to and get the
>> information about the battery spoken back. When I discovered I had access
>> to Sonos Voice I quickly got it set up and was blown away by the fact that
>> I could do that. To my mind, that makes them  eminently accessible. There
>> are other bluetooth speakers and headphones on which one can press a
>> button and get that information but this is the first time I’ve seen
>> anything quite like what I can do with my Roam and Move.
>>
>> All the best
>> Angie
>>
>>
>>> On 9 Feb 2023, at 17:52, Sieghard Weitzel >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Here the other article from The Verge:
>>>
>>> Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in
>>> audio
>>> And he doesn’t sound particularly impressed by Apple’s second-generation
>>> HomePod, either.
>>> By CHRIS WELCH/ Feb 8, 2023, 3:53 PM PST
>>>
>>> During Sonos’ Q1 2023 earnings call, CEO Patrick Spence expressed the
>>> usual optimism about his company’s financial performance, sales momentum,
>>> and upcoming product roadmap. This man really loves the word “flywheel,”
>>> folks. But he also took clear jabs at Big Tech competitors, including
>>> Amazon, Google, and Apple, for barely putting up a fight in recent
>>> months. With Amazon rumored to be taking a hard look at its ambitions
>>> surrounding Alexa and Echo products and Google largely focused on all
>>> things Pixel, Spence said that Sonos faced no serious competition during
>>> the crucial holiday quarter. “We’ve gone through fiscal Q1, which is the
>>> height of the consumer electronics and audio season and we’ve seen some
>>> of the traditional players go heavy discounting and, kind of like a
>>> traditional playbook for consumer electronics that we’ve always fought
>>> against and don’t really believe in,” he said. “And then, the big tech
>>> players, we just haven’t seen them active and we haven’t seen them doing
>>> anything interesting.”
>>> Neither of Sonos’ primary smart speaker rivals launched any new audio
>>> hardware during the holiday quarter. And Apple’s second-generation
>>> HomePod arrived after it had already ended. But Sonos doesn’t seem all
>>> that impressed with or concerned about Apple’s resurrected $299 device.
>>> “We never want to get overconfident in these things, but you know, even
>>> seeing what’s emerged recently, from Apple, I could not be more excited
>>> or confident about the product roadmap we have and our ability to take
>>> more and more of that $96 billion global audio market,” 

Re: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in audio - The Verge

['Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone]

I thought about grabbing a Sonos Move this week as I have a coupon for a 
discount that expires Sunday. But now I am going to wait and see if they will 
refresh that model. I bought a roam last year and gave it to Nicki, my wife, 
who had a specific need for it and it serves her well. The accessibility of the 
Sonos system is very good except on the Mac. I made several requests to have 
their Mac app as accessible as the PC and iPhone app.
Regarding the battery status, however, I have several Sony Headphones that will 
give me the battery status with the push of a button. I have two WH1000-XM4 
which still sell on Amazon for around $250 even though the XN5 model is 
available for around $350. The right side of the headphones are touch but very 
accessible. The left side has push buttons. One button speaks the battery 
status when pushed while the headphones are in operation. 
If I didn’t already own the WH1000-XM4 I would have the XM5 because of the 
greater noise reduction for making calls in a crowded room. But the XN4 are my 
go to headphones on the iPhone and totally accessible.
Getting back to Sonos, I have never been disappointed with their quality or 
their committment to accessibility. If I lived in a house rather than an 
apartment, I would own a lot more than the ten Sonos speakers that I currently 
do own.
Merv

_
If you have questions regarding Sonos, Fire TV, Fire Stick, Fire Cube, Echo or 
other Lady A powered device, we are the oldest and largest group dedicated to 
blind users:
main+subscr...@echoing.groups.io 

If you own an Apple Watch, let’s get uncomplicated together. We are a group of 
blind users that have been around for a few years and support any ad all models 
of the Apple Watch.
applewatchuncomplicated+subscr...@groups.io 



> On Feb 10, 2023, at 11:50 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that: am interested in what the Era models will be like.
> 
> While on the subject of Sonos: I was wondering recently whether there are any 
> other brands who have speakers which one can speak to and get the information 
> about the battery spoken back. When I discovered I had access to Sonos Voice 
> I quickly got it set up and was blown away by the fact that I could do that. 
> To my mind, that makes them  eminently accessible. There are other bluetooth 
> speakers and headphones on which one can press a button and get that 
> information but this is the first time I’ve seen anything quite like what I 
> can do with my Roam and Move.
> 
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
>> On 9 Feb 2023, at 17:52, Sieghard Weitzel > > wrote:
>> 
>> Here the other article from The Verge:
>>  
>> Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in audio
>> And he doesn’t sound particularly impressed by Apple’s second-generation 
>> HomePod, either.
>> By CHRIS WELCH/ Feb 8, 2023, 3:53 PM PST
>>  
>> During Sonos’ Q1 2023 earnings call, CEO Patrick Spence expressed the usual 
>> optimism about his company’s financial performance, sales momentum, and 
>> upcoming product roadmap. This man really loves the word “flywheel,” folks. 
>> But he also took clear jabs at Big Tech competitors, including Amazon, 
>> Google, and Apple, for barely putting up a fight in recent months. With 
>> Amazon rumored to be taking a hard look at its ambitions surrounding Alexa 
>> and Echo products and Google largely focused on all things Pixel, Spence 
>> said that Sonos faced no serious competition during the crucial holiday 
>> quarter. “We’ve gone through fiscal Q1, which is the height of the consumer 
>> electronics and audio season and we’ve seen some of the traditional players 
>> go heavy discounting and, kind of like a traditional playbook for consumer 
>> electronics that we’ve always fought against and don’t really believe in,” 
>> he said. “And then, the big tech players, we just haven’t seen them active 
>> and we haven’t seen them doing anything interesting.”
>> Neither of Sonos’ primary smart speaker rivals launched any new audio 
>> hardware during the holiday quarter. And Apple’s second-generation HomePod 
>> arrived after it had already ended. But Sonos doesn’t seem all that 
>> impressed with or concerned about Apple’s resurrected $299 device. “We never 
>> want to get overconfident in these things, but you know, even seeing what’s 
>> emerged recently, from Apple, I could not be more excited or confident about 
>> the product roadmap we have and our ability to take more and more of that 
>> $96 billion global audio market,” Spence said.
>> Google’s most recent home audio product is the aging Nest Audio, and 
>> Amazon’s fall 2022 hardware event went light on smart speakers: the company 
>> introduced a refreshed Echo Dot and added a new white color option for the 
>> top-of-the-line Echo Studio. The regular Echo speaker was last refreshed in 
>> 2020.
>> I just feel like there’s 

Re: Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in audio - The Verge

[Angie Nutt]

Thanks for that: am interested in what the Era models will be like.

While on the subject of Sonos: I was wondering recently whether there are any 
other brands who have speakers which one can speak to and get the information 
about the battery spoken back. When I discovered I had access to Sonos Voice I 
quickly got it set up and was blown away by the fact that I could do that. To 
my mind, that makes them  eminently accessible. There are other bluetooth 
speakers and headphones on which one can press a button and get that 
information but this is the first time I’ve seen anything quite like what I can 
do with my Roam and Move.

All the best
Angie


> On 9 Feb 2023, at 17:52, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Here the other article from The Verge:
>  
> Sonos CEO says Amazon, Google aren’t "doing anything interesting" in audio
> And he doesn’t sound particularly impressed by Apple’s second-generation 
> HomePod, either.
> By CHRIS WELCH/ Feb 8, 2023, 3:53 PM PST
>  
> During Sonos’ Q1 2023 earnings call, CEO Patrick Spence expressed the usual 
> optimism about his company’s financial performance, sales momentum, and 
> upcoming product roadmap. This man really loves the word “flywheel,” folks. 
> But he also took clear jabs at Big Tech competitors, including Amazon, 
> Google, and Apple, for barely putting up a fight in recent months. With 
> Amazon rumored to be taking a hard look at its ambitions surrounding Alexa 
> and Echo products and Google largely focused on all things Pixel, Spence said 
> that Sonos faced no serious competition during the crucial holiday quarter. 
> “We’ve gone through fiscal Q1, which is the height of the consumer 
> electronics and audio season and we’ve seen some of the traditional players 
> go heavy discounting and, kind of like a traditional playbook for consumer 
> electronics that we’ve always fought against and don’t really believe in,” he 
> said. “And then, the big tech players, we just haven’t seen them active and 
> we haven’t seen them doing anything interesting.”
> Neither of Sonos’ primary smart speaker rivals launched any new audio 
> hardware during the holiday quarter. And Apple’s second-generation HomePod 
> arrived after it had already ended. But Sonos doesn’t seem all that impressed 
> with or concerned about Apple’s resurrected $299 device. “We never want to 
> get overconfident in these things, but you know, even seeing what’s emerged 
> recently, from Apple, I could not be more excited or confident about the 
> product roadmap we have and our ability to take more and more of that $96 
> billion global audio market,” Spence said.
> Google’s most recent home audio product is the aging Nest Audio, and Amazon’s 
> fall 2022 hardware event went light on smart speakers: the company introduced 
> a refreshed Echo Dot and added a new white color option for the 
> top-of-the-line Echo Studio. The regular Echo speaker was last refreshed in 
> 2020.
> I just feel like there’s others that are probably questioning their 
> investments in this area, and we are investing in four new categories. We are 
> going
> to raise the bar in our existing categories. I mean, we’ve got a lot going 
> on,” Spence added.
> Sonos has said it will release a product in the first of those new categories 
> sometime in 2023. In the nearer term, Sonos will be revitalizing its high-end 
> home audio lineup with new speakers, including the Era 300 and Era 100. Both 
> are designed to showcase spatial audio and Dolby Atmos. A second-generation 
> Sonos Move portable speaker is also under development, The Verge has learned.
> Discounts on Sonos products over the holidays helped the company deliver 
> strong earnings and beat Wall Street expectations for the Q1 fiscal quarter. 
> This was the first time that Sonos had been able to offer those promotions in 
> three years; the multi-room audio leader struggled to keep its speakers and 
> soundbars in stock during the covid pandemic, facing the same supply chain 
> woes that reverberated across the tech industry But the deals were back this 
> time — even if some of them just returned Sonos products to their former 
> pricing.
> Either way, the company put greater emphasis on bundles that boost its 
> percentage of multi-product customer households. The average number of 
> products for each Sonos household is currently 2.98. Sonos sees a $5 billion 
> revenue opportunity if it can successfully convert single-product customers 
> to the multi-device lifestyle.
> 
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