RE: Sonos speakers and iPhone.
Hi Mike, I know the Sonos Connect which is more like a traditional amplifier where you hook up speakers with speaker wire has 110 Watts (2 * 55 Watts) of Class D amplification. I don't think Sonos is providing this information for the Play 1, Play 3 and Play 5. Keep in mind that these are not bluetooth speakers, you don't actually play something on you riPhone and send it to these speakers unless you had an Airport Express connected to one of the players which has an input hence allowing you to use Airplay. I can tell you for sure that especially a Play 5 goes as loud as you would want it to go and they do sound great and if you were to set up a pair of Play 5 as a stereo pair then volume is simply not an issue unless your living room is 1,000 square feet or larger. I can only recommend these, there are places where Sonos is sold and where you could go to listen to it or you could simply order any of the players directly from Sonos without risk as they offer a very generous 45-day return policy, no questions asked, just make sure you unpack it carefully, keep all the packing material and take notes or make an audio recording as you unpack it so you know how to put it back properly. I think they even pay the return shipping. Also remember that these are not battery operated speakers, they are wireless in that they get their music via your WiFi network, but they do need to be plugged into a wall outlet. I used to be very much an audio file and at one point did have money from a settlement which I partly used to buy a $30,000 stereo system and those were 1995/1996 Dollars. I still have that system, but replaced the $2,500 Sonic Frontiers CD Transport with a $299 Sonos Connect and it sounds great. Of course I still run the digital signal from the Coax Digital output on the Sonos through a Sonic Frontiers tube DA converter, a high-end electronic corssover and then to a Sonic Frontiers Power 2 hybrid tube/transistor amp and from there to a set of custom built satellites and also to a Bryston 4NRB power amp which drives a pair of custom built transmission line 12 inch subwovers. I could now spend $1,700 and buy a set of Sonos Play 5 and a Sonos Sub and be extremely happy with that sound, the Play 5 sounds great, a set sounds better and add the $700 Sonos Wireless Sub and you have an outstanding music system. Does it sound as good as my system downstairs? No, of course not, but my system downstairs which cost 18 times what this setup costs does also not sound 18 times better and of course spending $30,000 is not what most people (including me today) could spend. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Sonos speakers and iPhone. Hi Seigard, I really would be interested in just how loud, and how the sound quality, is of these Sonos speakers really are. I don't mind spending good money on perfectly sounding loud Bluetooth speakers. I've just recently purchased a "200 watts" Bluetooth speaker. Only to find out that the "200 watts" of today, is nowhere near the "200 watts" of yesteryear. Talk about making you feel like an old man! So here's my question: What is the for real wattage of any of these Sonos Bluetooth speakers? I would plunk down good money for a BT speaker that would shake you out of your underwears! But just show me that speaker and I'd buy it hands down. Thanks much, and curiously awaiting a response!.Mike -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Sonos speakers and iPhone. Agree with Robin, accessibility of the iPhone app is fantastic and complete, sound quality is awesome and I have not yet seen another speaker which supports this many online sources both free and paid, I think Sonos supports over 30 services including Tune In Radio, iHeart Radio, Slacker, SoundCloud, Apple Music, Google Play Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, Deezer, Pandora, Tidal, Sirus XM and dozens of others. You can even add multiple account for the same music service, e.g. if you have Apple Music and you want to add your own account and that of your wife or other family member then this is also possible. Here is what they say directly on their website, keep in mind that I am in Canada and Pandora and probably other services are not available here which is why they don't show up in the list, despite that there are 39 services in this list and 5 more under Sonos Labs: All the music on earth. And then some. Sonos was created by music lovers. For music lovers. Which means we want Sonos to play absolutely all the music you love - no matter where it comes from. The Internet for streaming services, radio, and podcasts.
RE: Sonos speakers and iPhone.
Hi Seigard, I really would be interested in just how loud, and how the sound quality, is of these Sonos speakers really are. I don't mind spending good money on perfectly sounding loud Bluetooth speakers. I've just recently purchased a "200 watts" Bluetooth speaker. Only to find out that the "200 watts" of today, is nowhere near the "200 watts" of yesteryear. Talk about making you feel like an old man! So here's my question: What is the for real wattage of any of these Sonos Bluetooth speakers? I would plunk down good money for a BT speaker that would shake you out of your underwears! But just show me that speaker and I'd buy it hands down. Thanks much, and curiously awaiting a response!.Mike -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Sonos speakers and iPhone. Agree with Robin, accessibility of the iPhone app is fantastic and complete, sound quality is awesome and I have not yet seen another speaker which supports this many online sources both free and paid, I think Sonos supports over 30 services including Tune In Radio, iHeart Radio, Slacker, SoundCloud, Apple Music, Google Play Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, Deezer, Pandora, Tidal, Sirus XM and dozens of others. You can even add multiple account for the same music service, e.g. if you have Apple Music and you want to add your own account and that of your wife or other family member then this is also possible. Here is what they say directly on their website, keep in mind that I am in Canada and Pandora and probably other services are not available here which is why they don't show up in the list, despite that there are 39 services in this list and 5 more under Sonos Labs: All the music on earth. And then some. Sonos was created by music lovers. For music lovers. Which means we want Sonos to play absolutely all the music you love - no matter where it comes from. The Internet for streaming services, radio, and podcasts. Plus that personal collection of music downloads you’ve got stored on your computer, phone and tablet. Streaming services. Free. Premium. Curated. On-demand. The list of streaming music services on Sonos keeps growing. Some names you’ll recognize right away. Others may be less familiar, but still worth exploring. Remember, service availability varies by region so click for details to find out if it’s playing in your area. Already subscribe to a service? Great. Just add it to Sonos using the app, sign in, and play it out loud — for the entire house to enjoy. 7digital Apple Music AccuRadio Anghami Audiobooks.com BandCamp CalmRadio Classical Archives Custom Channels Dar FM daytrotter Deezer FIT Radio Focus at will Gaana Google Play Music Groove Hearts of Space hotelRadio Hype Machine iHeart Radio Last FM (scrobble only) MixCloud Napster Nugs.net radionomy Radiopup RUSC Sirius XM Slacker Radio SoundCloud Soundmachine Spotify Spreaker Stingray Music Stitcher Tidal tuneIn Tribe of Noise Sonos labs (upcoming services still in th testing phase): NTS Radio Plex Radioplayer Sign in with RauteMusik.FM Wolfgang’s Music Sonos plays everything – the most popular streaming services, on-demand services, internet radio, your favourite podcasts and audiobooks, your go-to collection of downloads – whatever you love to listen to. Internet radio and podcasts. With Radio by TuneIn on Sonos, you’ll have instant access to over 100,000 local and international radio stations, shows, and podcasts streaming from every continent. All for free. Browse for stations or type in specific call letters or a podcast you love. Your personal music library. Play music from every PC, Mac, and storage drive on your home network. Up to 16 sources. And all those songs on your smartphone, too. Choose “On this phone” in the Main Menu and listen to your heart’s content. Audio formats supported Sonos supports a number of audio formats at various sample rates and bitrates including many of those used by Apple iTunes and Windows Media Player. The supported Lossless (uncompressed) formats are ALAC, FLAC, AIFF and WAV. The supported Lossy (compressed) formats are MP3, WMA, AAC and OGG.* Operating systems (for stored files) Sonos can access files shared from a PC running Windows 7 and higher, Mac running OS X 10.9 and higher, or a Network Attached Storage (NAS) device that supports the Common Internet File System (CIFS). Playlists supported Sonos supports the playlists that you've created in iTunes, Windows Media Player and services like Amazon Music, Apple Music, Deezer, Google Play Music, SoundCloud, Spotify, TIDAL, and more. Album art supported JPG, BMP, GIF and PNG formats are supported up to a resolution of 1024 x 1024. Internet radio supported Sonos supports MP3, AAC and WMA streaming audio format
RE: Sonos speakers and iPhone.
Agree with Robin, accessibility of the iPhone app is fantastic and complete, sound quality is awesome and I have not yet seen another speaker which supports this many online sources both free and paid, I think Sonos supports over 30 services including Tune In Radio, iHeart Radio, Slacker, SoundCloud, Apple Music, Google Play Music, Amazon Music, Spotify, Deezer, Pandora, Tidal, Sirus XM and dozens of others. You can even add multiple account for the same music service, e.g. if you have Apple Music and you want to add your own account and that of your wife or other family member then this is also possible. Here is what they say directly on their website, keep in mind that I am in Canada and Pandora and probably other services are not available here which is why they don't show up in the list, despite that there are 39 services in this list and 5 more under Sonos Labs: All the music on earth. And then some. Sonos was created by music lovers. For music lovers. Which means we want Sonos to play absolutely all the music you love - no matter where it comes from. The Internet for streaming services, radio, and podcasts. Plus that personal collection of music downloads you’ve got stored on your computer, phone and tablet. Streaming services. Free. Premium. Curated. On-demand. The list of streaming music services on Sonos keeps growing. Some names you’ll recognize right away. Others may be less familiar, but still worth exploring. Remember, service availability varies by region so click for details to find out if it’s playing in your area. Already subscribe to a service? Great. Just add it to Sonos using the app, sign in, and play it out loud — for the entire house to enjoy. 7digital Apple Music AccuRadio Anghami Audiobooks.com BandCamp CalmRadio Classical Archives Custom Channels Dar FM daytrotter Deezer FIT Radio Focus at will Gaana Google Play Music Groove Hearts of Space hotelRadio Hype Machine iHeart Radio Last FM (scrobble only) MixCloud Napster Nugs.net radionomy Radiopup RUSC Sirius XM Slacker Radio SoundCloud Soundmachine Spotify Spreaker Stingray Music Stitcher Tidal tuneIn Tribe of Noise Sonos labs (upcoming services still in th testing phase): NTS Radio Plex Radioplayer Sign in with RauteMusik.FM Wolfgang’s Music Sonos plays everything – the most popular streaming services, on-demand services, internet radio, your favourite podcasts and audiobooks, your go-to collection of downloads – whatever you love to listen to. Internet radio and podcasts. With Radio by TuneIn on Sonos, you’ll have instant access to over 100,000 local and international radio stations, shows, and podcasts streaming from every continent. All for free. Browse for stations or type in specific call letters or a podcast you love. Your personal music library. Play music from every PC, Mac, and storage drive on your home network. Up to 16 sources. And all those songs on your smartphone, too. Choose “On this phone” in the Main Menu and listen to your heart’s content. Audio formats supported Sonos supports a number of audio formats at various sample rates and bitrates including many of those used by Apple iTunes and Windows Media Player. The supported Lossless (uncompressed) formats are ALAC, FLAC, AIFF and WAV. The supported Lossy (compressed) formats are MP3, WMA, AAC and OGG.* Operating systems (for stored files) Sonos can access files shared from a PC running Windows 7 and higher, Mac running OS X 10.9 and higher, or a Network Attached Storage (NAS) device that supports the Common Internet File System (CIFS). Playlists supported Sonos supports the playlists that you've created in iTunes, Windows Media Player and services like Amazon Music, Apple Music, Deezer, Google Play Music, SoundCloud, Spotify, TIDAL, and more. Album art supported JPG, BMP, GIF and PNG formats are supported up to a resolution of 1024 x 1024. Internet radio supported Sonos supports MP3, AAC and WMA streaming audio formats for Internet radio stations. * It is important to note that Digital Rights Management (DRM) protected content is licensed for use in the program in which it was purchased. If applicable, you can upgrade the content via the licensed program to remove this protection so it can be used on Sonos. both -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin Frost Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers and iPhone. Hi, Yes they are easy to set up with iPhone you almost can't do it wrong even without vision. sonos connects with many online services including Pandora I believe. And sound is awesome in my humble view. I hope that helps. Robin -Original Message- From: Sadam Ahmed Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Sonos speakers and iPhone. Hi all, Considering the Sonos speakers. Are they easy
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Hi, Yes they are easy to set up with iPhone you almost can't do it wrong even without vision. sonos connects with many online services including Pandora I believe. And sound is awesome in my humble view. I hope that helps. Robin -Original Message- From: Sadam Ahmed Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Sonos speakers and iPhone. Hi all, Considering the Sonos speakers. Are they easy to set-up with the iPhone? Also can you play music from various places for example Pandora etc? And finally how is the sound on these speakers? Thanks for any answers. Sadam Ahmed JAWS certified, 2017 Mobile: + 61 435 892 944 FaceTime, iMessage & email sa...@sadamahmed.com -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Sonos speakers
No, Sonos is what I would consider Hi-Fi audio equipment for multi-room setups. None of their speakers works on batteries and none of them is bluetooth as the limited bandwidth of bluetooth does not allow for high-end audio playback. The least expensive Sonos speaker is a Play 1 which is $199.99. You can go to www.sonos.com and read more about them, the next one up is the Play 3 for $299, then the Play 5 for $399. You can buy 2 of any of these and run them as a stereo pair and then Sonos offers other players which work with existing receivers/amplifyers, they also offer a stand-alone player with 110 Watt amplifier built in which you can connect to existing bookshelf or floor standing speakers and they offer a TV soundbar called the Playbar and also a Subwover which you can use in connection with any of their speakers or the Playbar. Sonos can be set up completely wirelessly by connecting it to your home WiFi, but you can also wire one player or speaker to your router or buy what is called a Bridge or Boost which is wired to your router. If you set it up this way Sonos creates its own wireless network and if you want to set up a surround setup in theliving room with a Playbar, Sub and two Play 1 or Play 3 speakers as rear speakers then you have to wire at least one Sonos component to your router or use a Bridge or Boost. Sonos is controlled entirely via the iPhone app or you can also install a PC or Mac controller and they do of course also have an Android app. They do also offer their own touch screen remote, but it is not accessible and each player has only 2 buttons, a volume rocker switch and a Play/Pause button. Sonos players have no on/off switch, they are always on and go into sleep mode when they are not used where they consume I think 1 or less Watts of energy. It's a fantastic system which has been around for some years, I bought my first stuff over 5 years ago and they continue to innovate and come out with new products and of course improve their software. It's easy for them to add new features since all they have to do is release a software update which you install from inside the app and it updates your speakers/players. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 4:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers is the sonos made for in home use only? Do they make blue tooth speakers? How much do they run for? -- From: jibberjabber2...@talktalk.net Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Sieghard, You are correct, using the iPhone, if you tap on the queue button, there is a button to turn shuffle on or off. After reading your reviews of the speakers, and how accessible the software was on the iPhone, I took the plunge a couple of weeks ago and bought a pair of Play 1's, a Play 5, a Play Bar and Sub. I love the audio quality, both from streaming online and directly from my pc, and even using the audio in on the Play 5, all is controlled from the phone. What a wonderful job was done on making the software so accessible with voice over, even through the initial setting up, which is easily done without any sighted help. Regards. Jim. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Sonos speakers I can't verify this until I get home tonight, but I'm pretty sure that once you have a bunch of music playing that you can go into your Queue on the iPhone app and find the Shuffle option there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers The only thing I wanted to add to this is that with the IPhone you can't shuffle music. That needs to be done with the PC. Some one correct me if I'm wrong which I hope I am. Otherwise the Sonos IPhone app is quite nice. I also agree with using 5's rather than 3's. I don't think that the 3's sound all that great. I don't agree with not having music on my own computer but as was already stated that can be argued both ways and is a matter of preference. On 12/18/14, Don Breda don.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12/18/2014 12:40 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Hi List I'm looking for hifi equipment as most of what I have I've been using for close on 30 years. There were some useful posts a few weeks ago regarding Sonos speakers from which I have one or two questions which hopefully you can help me with. Am I right in thinking that the Sonos Sub along with either the Sonos 1, 3 or 5 would provide
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Just out of curiosity, i wonder if the recommendations abroad are the same as here in Sweden. The sonos vendor here in Sweden or at least one of them recommends a Connect amp and stereo speakers for the best sound in the living room where you listen most often to music. /Krister 19 dec 2014 kl. 15:41 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca: No, Sonos is what I would consider Hi-Fi audio equipment for multi-room setups. None of their speakers works on batteries and none of them is bluetooth as the limited bandwidth of bluetooth does not allow for high-end audio playback. The least expensive Sonos speaker is a Play 1 which is $199.99. You can go to www.sonos.com and read more about them, the next one up is the Play 3 for $299, then the Play 5 for $399. You can buy 2 of any of these and run them as a stereo pair and then Sonos offers other players which work with existing receivers/amplifyers, they also offer a stand-alone player with 110 Watt amplifier built in which you can connect to existing bookshelf or floor standing speakers and they offer a TV soundbar called the Playbar and also a Subwover which you can use in connection with any of their speakers or the Playbar. Sonos can be set up completely wirelessly by connecting it to your home WiFi, but you can also wire one player or speaker to your router or buy what is called a Bridge or Boost which is wired to your router. If you set it up this way Sonos creates its own wireless network and if you want to set up a surround setup in theliving room with a Playbar, Sub and two Play 1 or Play 3 speakers as rear speakers then you have to wire at least one Sonos component to your router or use a Bridge or Boost. Sonos is controlled entirely via the iPhone app or you can also install a PC or Mac controller and they do of course also have an Android app. They do also offer their own touch screen remote, but it is not accessible and each player has only 2 buttons, a volume rocker switch and a Play/Pause button. Sonos players have no on/off switch, they are always on and go into sleep mode when they are not used where they consume I think 1 or less Watts of energy. It's a fantastic system which has been around for some years, I bought my first stuff over 5 years ago and they continue to innovate and come out with new products and of course improve their software. It's easy for them to add new features since all they have to do is release a software update which you install from inside the app and it updates your speakers/players. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Amaro Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 4:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers is the sonos made for in home use only? Do they make blue tooth speakers? How much do they run for? -- From: jibberjabber2...@talktalk.net Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Sieghard, You are correct, using the iPhone, if you tap on the queue button, there is a button to turn shuffle on or off. After reading your reviews of the speakers, and how accessible the software was on the iPhone, I took the plunge a couple of weeks ago and bought a pair of Play 1's, a Play 5, a Play Bar and Sub. I love the audio quality, both from streaming online and directly from my pc, and even using the audio in on the Play 5, all is controlled from the phone. What a wonderful job was done on making the software so accessible with voice over, even through the initial setting up, which is easily done without any sighted help. Regards. Jim. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Sonos speakers I can't verify this until I get home tonight, but I'm pretty sure that once you have a bunch of music playing that you can go into your Queue on the iPhone app and find the Shuffle option there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers The only thing I wanted to add to this is that with the IPhone you can't shuffle music. That needs to be done with the PC. Some one correct me if I'm wrong which I hope I am. Otherwise the Sonos IPhone app is quite nice. I also agree with using 5's rather than 3's. I don't think that the 3's sound all that great. I don't agree with not having music on my own computer but as was already stated that can be argued both ways and is a matter of preference. On 12/18/14, Don Breda don.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12
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Hi Krister, The fidelity of a Connect Amp depends entirely on the speakers you connect to it. If you connect a pair of $150 or $200 bookshelf speakers to it it won't sound as good as when you connect a pair of $1,000 speakers to it. If you already own a pair of really good speakers I agree that going with a Connect Amp is a good way to go. It's actually a very good little amplifier with it's 55 Watss of Class D amplification per channel. If, however, you don't own a set of good speakers and you would possibly buy a pair of $800 or $1000 speakers + spend $600 on a Connect Amp, you really should probably go to a store and listen to a setup of two Play 5 in stereo mode with a Sonos Sub. This setup would cost $1,500 so about the same as a good pair of speakers and a Connect Amp and you gain the benefit of a subwover. I would say you have to spend more if you buy a Connect Amp with traditional speakers although you could of course add a Sonos Sub to that type of setup. Either way, the point is that you can have a $200 single Play 1 Sonos system and still take advantage of the great features they offer with respect to access to free and subscription based online music services or you can spend many thousands of Dollars to put Sonos everywhere in yoru house and customize it any which way you like. I have a very high-end system in a separate music room in my basement with a $6,000 tube Amp and custom speakers and subwovers and the source for that system used to be a $2,500 Sonic Frontiers CD Transport which was connected to an even more expensive Sonic Frontiers Digital to Analogue converter. I have replaced this CD Transport with a Sonos Connect which I connected via Digital Coax cable to my Digital to Analogue converter so that it only provides the signal, my high-end system decodes the signal, amplifies it and plays it on the custom speaker/subwover setup and it sounds every bit as good as when I had my CD Transport hooked up except now I have so much more flexibility when it comes to what music I want to play. Before I was limited to my CD collection, now I can play any of them which are now all ripped in lossless FLAC format to an external network attached hard drive, but I can also play lossless music from my new Tidal subscription and to my 47-year old ears I cannot hear the difference. This is a good example where I combined a 20-year old really high-end stereo system with a new piece of technology for an amazing result. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 7:23 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Just out of curiosity, i wonder if the recommendations abroad are the same as here in Sweden. The sonos vendor here in Sweden or at least one of them recommends a Connect amp and stereo speakers for the best sound in the living room where you listen most often to music. /Krister 19 dec 2014 kl. 15:41 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca: No, Sonos is what I would consider Hi-Fi audio equipment for multi-room setups. None of their speakers works on batteries and none of them is bluetooth as the limited bandwidth of bluetooth does not allow for high-end audio playback. The least expensive Sonos speaker is a Play 1 which is $199.99. You can go to www.sonos.com and read more about them, the next one up is the Play 3 for $299, then the Play 5 for $399. You can buy 2 of any of these and run them as a stereo pair and then Sonos offers other players which work with existing receivers/amplifyers, they also offer a stand-alone player with 110 Watt amplifier built in which you can connect to existing bookshelf or floor standing speakers and they offer a TV soundbar called the Playbar and also a Subwover which you can use in connection with any of their speakers or the Playbar. Sonos can be set up completely wirelessly by connecting it to your home WiFi, but you can also wire one player or speaker to your router or buy what is called a Bridge or Boost which is wired to your router. If you set it up this way Sonos creates its own wireless network and if you want to set up a surround setup in theliving room with a Playbar, Sub and two Play 1 or Play 3 speakers as rear speakers then you have to wire at least one Sonos component to your router or use a Bridge or Boost. Sonos is controlled entirely via the iPhone app or you can also install a PC or Mac controller and they do of course also have an Android app. They do also offer their own touch screen remote, but it is not accessible and each player has only 2 buttons, a volume rocker switch and a Play/Pause button. Sonos players have no on/off switch, they are always on and go into sleep mode when they are not used where they consume I think 1 or less Watts of energy. It's a fantastic system which has been around for some
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Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12/18/2014 12:40 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Hi List I'm looking for hifi equipment as most of what I have I've been using for close on 30 years. There were some useful posts a few weeks ago regarding Sonos speakers from which I have one or two questions which hopefully you can help me with. Am I right in thinking that the Sonos Sub along with either the Sonos 1, 3 or 5 would provide very good sound for listening to music? Secondly, I would suggest two play 5s and a sub for one room. Really makes for some nice listening and also will help with connecting other analog devices to your sonos system, see below. whilst I have have wifi at home it can be a little variable so would the Sonos Boost be a worthwhile purchase along with the other products? The advantage of the boost is that it allows you the freedom to put the speakers anywhere you want. IF you don't have it then at leasone of your sonos speakers must connect via ethernet cable to your router. This may restrict your ability to plase the speakers where you really want them. In my opinion its not a bad idea. The latest version of the sonos firmware howerver allows for wifi connection to your router without a boost. Since your wifi seems somewhat iffie I would suggest the boost as a good idea. Thirdly, although I have a significant amount of my cd collection on external hard drive, I still have a large collection of cds and would therefore want to use a cd player. Would this be easily connected to the speakers? Fourth, I have a large minidisc collection and good Sony minidisc player, would this easily be connectable to the speakers? Having two play 5 speakers will allow you two line in connections to the system so you could put your cd player on one and your mini disk player on the other. Fifth, would control of such a system be better controlled through an iPhone, PC or MacBook or would any of these do the job? I suggest most often control of your system will be done quite easily and successfully through the iPhone and of course thats most desirable. I have found thogh that some things such as adding services and feeding differernt streams to diffent rooms are accomplished more easily through the pc controler but are doable on the iPhone. I have't had experience with the sonos controler on the mac but as I recall it was not very useable so would probably be the last resort. I could be wrong about that though. Finally, whilst retaining my actual copies of cds would I benefit from purchasing space in the cloud to store my music and is playing music from the cloud straightforward? In my opinion I rarely see a reason anymore to have music stored in my home at all whether on cd or hard drive. Subscribing to a good music service such as deezer beats music or something like that gives you access to a music collection it would take ten life times and a billion dollars to amass. No need to waste storage space or physical storage space any more for music. Thats just my opinion and I am sure many will argue. To access the music collection from anywhere at any time is a true luxury and easily accomplished these days without any investment in hardware. If you want to put your cds on the cloud then google play music which is supported by sonos gives you the best of both worlds. You have googles vast music collection at your finger tips as well as having the ability to upload your own collection to the google play music cloud so you have access to it anywhere. Hope this ehlps. Don I thank you for your time and any responses which will help me spend my money well. Dave Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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The only thing I wanted to add to this is that with the IPhone you can't shuffle music. That needs to be done with the PC. Some one correct me if I'm wrong which I hope I am. Otherwise the Sonos IPhone app is quite nice. I also agree with using 5's rather than 3's. I don't think that the 3's sound all that great. I don't agree with not having music on my own computer but as was already stated that can be argued both ways and is a matter of preference. On 12/18/14, Don Breda don.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12/18/2014 12:40 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Hi List I'm looking for hifi equipment as most of what I have I've been using for close on 30 years. There were some useful posts a few weeks ago regarding Sonos speakers from which I have one or two questions which hopefully you can help me with. Am I right in thinking that the Sonos Sub along with either the Sonos 1, 3 or 5 would provide very good sound for listening to music? Secondly, I would suggest two play 5s and a sub for one room. Really makes for some nice listening and also will help with connecting other analog devices to your sonos system, see below. whilst I have have wifi at home it can be a little variable so would the Sonos Boost be a worthwhile purchase along with the other products? The advantage of the boost is that it allows you the freedom to put the speakers anywhere you want. IF you don't have it then at leasone of your sonos speakers must connect via ethernet cable to your router. This may restrict your ability to plase the speakers where you really want them. In my opinion its not a bad idea. The latest version of the sonos firmware howerver allows for wifi connection to your router without a boost. Since your wifi seems somewhat iffie I would suggest the boost as a good idea. Thirdly, although I have a significant amount of my cd collection on external hard drive, I still have a large collection of cds and would therefore want to use a cd player. Would this be easily connected to the speakers? Fourth, I have a large minidisc collection and good Sony minidisc player, would this easily be connectable to the speakers? Having two play 5 speakers will allow you two line in connections to the system so you could put your cd player on one and your mini disk player on the other. Fifth, would control of such a system be better controlled through an iPhone, PC or MacBook or would any of these do the job? I suggest most often control of your system will be done quite easily and successfully through the iPhone and of course thats most desirable. I have found thogh that some things such as adding services and feeding differernt streams to diffent rooms are accomplished more easily through the pc controler but are doable on the iPhone. I have't had experience with the sonos controler on the mac but as I recall it was not very useable so would probably be the last resort. I could be wrong about that though. Finally, whilst retaining my actual copies of cds would I benefit from purchasing space in the cloud to store my music and is playing music from the cloud straightforward? In my opinion I rarely see a reason anymore to have music stored in my home at all whether on cd or hard drive. Subscribing to a good music service such as deezer beats music or something like that gives you access to a music collection it would take ten life times and a billion dollars to amass. No need to waste storage space or physical storage space any more for music. Thats just my opinion and I am sure many will argue. To access the music collection from anywhere at any time is a true luxury and easily accomplished these days without any investment in hardware. If you want to put your cds on the cloud then google play music which is supported by sonos gives you the best of both worlds. You have googles vast music collection at your finger tips as well as having the ability to upload your own collection to the google play music cloud so you have access to it anywhere. Hope this ehlps. Don I thank you for your time and any responses which will help me spend my money well. Dave Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
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Hi Don, Good thing I read your reply before answering Dave's questions, your descriptions are very well put and right on the money. Only thing I would add for Dave is that if you want to connect external sources like your CD player or minidisc player, you have to go with the Play 5 as it is the only player apart from the Connect and connect Amp which has an input. The Play 3 sounds very nice as well and even the Play 1 with a Sonos sub is quite amazing, but neither the Play 1 or Play 3 have an input. Anyhow, if you want the best sound a set of Play 5 are the way to go and it's only a $100 price difference per player between the Play 3 and Play 5. Keep in mind that Sonos does offer a 45-day satisfaction guaranty so if you think you are ready to give this a try just call Sonos and order your equipment, then enjoy and decide after a few weeks of hands on experience if it's for you. Chances are you'll love it. I'm just waiting for Sonos to add support for the new Tidal music service. They just send me an offer for a 2-months subscription at 40% off the regular price of $19.99 per months and I was listening to some stuff via the Tidal iPhone app using my $200 V-Mota headset and it sounded amazing. Tidal streams in lossless FLAC format so if you have high-end equipment it is really worth it. I also have a Deezer subscription which I received for free with my latest Sonos purchase and for some reason the stream constantly jumps ahead to the next song, it barely plays a song to the end, but half way through it jumps to the next song. Sonos tells me that is because of my internet connection, but I am getting about 30 to 35 Mbps down and 8 to 9 Mbps up with a reasonable ping time so I don't quite understand this and when I was streaming via the Tidal app on my iPhone I listened for an hour without a single drop-out or interruption. Anyhow, I think tidal will be worthwhile to look at once it's on Sonos. The app is a bit cluttered here and there, but it is fully accessible. I hope their Sonos implementation will be full-featured and not like Spotify where you can only access a fraction of the features. This is one reason why I just cancelled my Spotify Premium subscription, I'd rather pay a bit more for Tidal and get better features and the much higher quality. Once Tidal is available via my Sonos system I'll do a separate post/review. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12/18/2014 12:40 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Hi List I'm looking for hifi equipment as most of what I have I've been using for close on 30 years. There were some useful posts a few weeks ago regarding Sonos speakers from which I have one or two questions which hopefully you can help me with. Am I right in thinking that the Sonos Sub along with either the Sonos 1, 3 or 5 would provide very good sound for listening to music? Secondly, I would suggest two play 5s and a sub for one room. Really makes for some nice listening and also will help with connecting other analog devices to your sonos system, see below. whilst I have have wifi at home it can be a little variable so would the Sonos Boost be a worthwhile purchase along with the other products? The advantage of the boost is that it allows you the freedom to put the speakers anywhere you want. IF you don't have it then at leasone of your sonos speakers must connect via ethernet cable to your router. This may restrict your ability to plase the speakers where you really want them. In my opinion its not a bad idea. The latest version of the sonos firmware howerver allows for wifi connection to your router without a boost. Since your wifi seems somewhat iffie I would suggest the boost as a good idea. Thirdly, although I have a significant amount of my cd collection on external hard drive, I still have a large collection of cds and would therefore want to use a cd player. Would this be easily connected to the speakers? Fourth, I have a large minidisc collection and good Sony minidisc player, would this easily be connectable to the speakers? Having two play 5 speakers will allow you two line in connections to the system so you could put your cd player on one and your mini disk player on the other. Fifth, would control of such a system be better controlled through an iPhone, PC or MacBook or would any of these do the job? I suggest most often control of your system will be done quite easily and successfully through the iPhone and of course thats most desirable. I have found thogh that some things such as adding services and feeding differernt streams to diffent rooms are accomplished more easily through the pc controler but are doable on the iPhone. I
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I can't verify this until I get home tonight, but I'm pretty sure that once you have a bunch of music playing that you can go into your Queue on the iPhone app and find the Shuffle option there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers The only thing I wanted to add to this is that with the IPhone you can't shuffle music. That needs to be done with the PC. Some one correct me if I'm wrong which I hope I am. Otherwise the Sonos IPhone app is quite nice. I also agree with using 5's rather than 3's. I don't think that the 3's sound all that great. I don't agree with not having music on my own computer but as was already stated that can be argued both ways and is a matter of preference. On 12/18/14, Don Breda don.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12/18/2014 12:40 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Hi List I'm looking for hifi equipment as most of what I have I've been using for close on 30 years. There were some useful posts a few weeks ago regarding Sonos speakers from which I have one or two questions which hopefully you can help me with. Am I right in thinking that the Sonos Sub along with either the Sonos 1, 3 or 5 would provide very good sound for listening to music? Secondly, I would suggest two play 5s and a sub for one room. Really makes for some nice listening and also will help with connecting other analog devices to your sonos system, see below. whilst I have have wifi at home it can be a little variable so would the Sonos Boost be a worthwhile purchase along with the other products? The advantage of the boost is that it allows you the freedom to put the speakers anywhere you want. IF you don't have it then at leasone of your sonos speakers must connect via ethernet cable to your router. This may restrict your ability to plase the speakers where you really want them. In my opinion its not a bad idea. The latest version of the sonos firmware howerver allows for wifi connection to your router without a boost. Since your wifi seems somewhat iffie I would suggest the boost as a good idea. Thirdly, although I have a significant amount of my cd collection on external hard drive, I still have a large collection of cds and would therefore want to use a cd player. Would this be easily connected to the speakers? Fourth, I have a large minidisc collection and good Sony minidisc player, would this easily be connectable to the speakers? Having two play 5 speakers will allow you two line in connections to the system so you could put your cd player on one and your mini disk player on the other. Fifth, would control of such a system be better controlled through an iPhone, PC or MacBook or would any of these do the job? I suggest most often control of your system will be done quite easily and successfully through the iPhone and of course thats most desirable. I have found thogh that some things such as adding services and feeding differernt streams to diffent rooms are accomplished more easily through the pc controler but are doable on the iPhone. I have't had experience with the sonos controler on the mac but as I recall it was not very useable so would probably be the last resort. I could be wrong about that though. Finally, whilst retaining my actual copies of cds would I benefit from purchasing space in the cloud to store my music and is playing music from the cloud straightforward? In my opinion I rarely see a reason anymore to have music stored in my home at all whether on cd or hard drive. Subscribing to a good music service such as deezer beats music or something like that gives you access to a music collection it would take ten life times and a billion dollars to amass. No need to waste storage space or physical storage space any more for music. Thats just my opinion and I am sure many will argue. To access the music collection from anywhere at any time is a true luxury and easily accomplished these days without any investment in hardware. If you want to put your cds on the cloud then google play music which is supported by sonos gives you the best of both worlds. You have googles vast music collection at your finger tips as well as having the ability to upload your own collection to the google play music cloud so you have access to it anywhere. Hope this ehlps. Don I thank you for your time and any responses which will help me spend my money well. Dave Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post
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Thanks Don, John and Sieghard for prompt and thorough answers to my questions. One further question relating to the 45 days to test them out, is this when purchasing direct from Sonos as so far I've just looked at Amazon? I live in the UK and presume Sonos is based in the US, so am I likely to be looking at a significant shipping charge if purchasing directly from Sonos? With thanks from Dave Sent from my iPhone On 18 Dec 2014, at 19:59, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Don, Good thing I read your reply before answering Dave's questions, your descriptions are very well put and right on the money. Only thing I would add for Dave is that if you want to connect external sources like your CD player or minidisc player, you have to go with the Play 5 as it is the only player apart from the Connect and connect Amp which has an input. The Play 3 sounds very nice as well and even the Play 1 with a Sonos sub is quite amazing, but neither the Play 1 or Play 3 have an input. Anyhow, if you want the best sound a set of Play 5 are the way to go and it's only a $100 price difference per player between the Play 3 and Play 5. Keep in mind that Sonos does offer a 45-day satisfaction guaranty so if you think you are ready to give this a try just call Sonos and order your equipment, then enjoy and decide after a few weeks of hands on experience if it's for you. Chances are you'll love it. I'm just waiting for Sonos to add support for the new Tidal music service. They just send me an offer for a 2-months subscription at 40% off the regular price of $19.99 per months and I was listening to some stuff via the Tidal iPhone app using my $200 V-Mota headset and it sounded amazing. Tidal streams in lossless FLAC format so if you have high-end equipment it is really worth it. I also have a Deezer subscription which I received for free with my latest Sonos purchase and for some reason the stream constantly jumps ahead to the next song, it barely plays a song to the end, but half way through it jumps to the next song. Sonos tells me that is because of my internet connection, but I am getting about 30 to 35 Mbps down and 8 to 9 Mbps up with a reasonable ping time so I don't quite understand this and when I was streaming via the Tidal app on my iPhone I listened for an hour without a single drop-out or interruption. Anyhow, I think tidal will be worthwhile to look at once it's on Sonos. The app is a bit cluttered here and there, but it is fully accessible. I hope their Sonos implementation will be full-featured and not like Spotify where you can only access a fraction of the features. This is one reason why I just cancelled my Spotify Premium subscription, I'd rather pay a bit more for Tidal and get better features and the much higher quality. Once Tidal is available via my Sonos system I'll do a separate post/review. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12/18/2014 12:40 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Hi List I'm looking for hifi equipment as most of what I have I've been using for close on 30 years. There were some useful posts a few weeks ago regarding Sonos speakers from which I have one or two questions which hopefully you can help me with. Am I right in thinking that the Sonos Sub along with either the Sonos 1, 3 or 5 would provide very good sound for listening to music? Secondly, I would suggest two play 5s and a sub for one room. Really makes for some nice listening and also will help with connecting other analog devices to your sonos system, see below. whilst I have have wifi at home it can be a little variable so would the Sonos Boost be a worthwhile purchase along with the other products? The advantage of the boost is that it allows you the freedom to put the speakers anywhere you want. IF you don't have it then at leasone of your sonos speakers must connect via ethernet cable to your router. This may restrict your ability to plase the speakers where you really want them. In my opinion its not a bad idea. The latest version of the sonos firmware howerver allows for wifi connection to your router without a boost. Since your wifi seems somewhat iffie I would suggest the boost as a good idea. Thirdly, although I have a significant amount of my cd collection on external hard drive, I still have a large collection of cds and would therefore want to use a cd player. Would this be easily connected to the speakers? Fourth, I have a large minidisc collection and good Sony minidisc player, would this easily be connectable to the speakers? Having two play 5 speakers will allow you two line
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Hi Sieghard I had a subscription to Tidal and gave it up. I also have a deezer subscription and like it very much. I have never once had the problem you describe with deezer. I didn't like tidal all that much only because their search results seemed rather limitted. I must say I do have complaints with most music services regardign searches and results but Tidal never seemd to display all the hits for a search query either in the iPhone app or the sonos implementation. For some reason they never seem to display all the results they have for a search. I finally let the subscription go. I currently subscribe to deezer, beats, and google play music. Not sure yet what I will settle on. One reason is because I dont' know what Apple is going to do with beats yet. Don On 12/18/2014 2:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Don, Good thing I read your reply before answering Dave's questions, your descriptions are very well put and right on the money. Only thing I would add for Dave is that if you want to connect external sources like your CD player or minidisc player, you have to go with the Play 5 as it is the only player apart from the Connect and connect Amp which has an input. The Play 3 sounds very nice as well and even the Play 1 with a Sonos sub is quite amazing, but neither the Play 1 or Play 3 have an input. Anyhow, if you want the best sound a set of Play 5 are the way to go and it's only a $100 price difference per player between the Play 3 and Play 5. Keep in mind that Sonos does offer a 45-day satisfaction guaranty so if you think you are ready to give this a try just call Sonos and order your equipment, then enjoy and decide after a few weeks of hands on experience if it's for you. Chances are you'll love it. I'm just waiting for Sonos to add support for the new Tidal music service. They just send me an offer for a 2-months subscription at 40% off the regular price of $19.99 per months and I was listening to some stuff via the Tidal iPhone app using my $200 V-Mota headset and it sounded amazing. Tidal streams in lossless FLAC format so if you have high-end equipment it is really worth it. I also have a Deezer subscription which I received for free with my latest Sonos purchase and for some reason the stream constantly jumps ahead to the next song, it barely plays a song to the end, but half way through it jumps to the next song. Sonos tells me that is because of my internet connection, but I am getting about 30 to 35 Mbps down and 8 to 9 Mbps up with a reasonable ping time so I don't quite understand this and when I was streaming via the Tidal app on my iPhone I listened for an hour without a single drop-out or interruption. Anyhow, I think tidal will be worthwhile to look at once it's on Sonos. The app is a bit cluttered here and there, but it is fully accessible. I hope their Sonos implementation will be full-featured and not like Spotify where you can only access a fraction of the features. This is one reason why I just cancelled my Spotify Premium subscription, I'd rather pay a bit more for Tidal and get better features and the much higher quality. Once Tidal is available via my Sonos system I'll do a separate post/review. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12/18/2014 12:40 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Hi List I'm looking for hifi equipment as most of what I have I've been using for close on 30 years. There were some useful posts a few weeks ago regarding Sonos speakers from which I have one or two questions which hopefully you can help me with. Am I right in thinking that the Sonos Sub along with either the Sonos 1, 3 or 5 would provide very good sound for listening to music? Secondly, I would suggest two play 5s and a sub for one room. Really makes for some nice listening and also will help with connecting other analog devices to your sonos system, see below. whilst I have have wifi at home it can be a little variable so would the Sonos Boost be a worthwhile purchase along with the other products? The advantage of the boost is that it allows you the freedom to put the speakers anywhere you want. IF you don't have it then at leasone of your sonos speakers must connect via ethernet cable to your router. This may restrict your ability to plase the speakers where you really want them. In my opinion its not a bad idea. The latest version of the sonos firmware howerver allows for wifi connection to your router without a boost. Since your wifi seems somewhat iffie I would suggest the boost as a good idea. Thirdly, although I have a significant amount of my cd collection on external hard drive, I still have a large collection of cds and would therefore want to use
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Hi Sieghard, You are correct, using the iPhone, if you tap on the queue button, there is a button to turn shuffle on or off. After reading your reviews of the speakers, and how accessible the software was on the iPhone, I took the plunge a couple of weeks ago and bought a pair of Play 1's, a Play 5, a Play Bar and Sub. I love the audio quality, both from streaming online and directly from my pc, and even using the audio in on the Play 5, all is controlled from the phone. What a wonderful job was done on making the software so accessible with voice over, even through the initial setting up, which is easily done without any sighted help. Regards. Jim. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Sonos speakers I can't verify this until I get home tonight, but I'm pretty sure that once you have a bunch of music playing that you can go into your Queue on the iPhone app and find the Shuffle option there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers The only thing I wanted to add to this is that with the IPhone you can't shuffle music. That needs to be done with the PC. Some one correct me if I'm wrong which I hope I am. Otherwise the Sonos IPhone app is quite nice. I also agree with using 5's rather than 3's. I don't think that the 3's sound all that great. I don't agree with not having music on my own computer but as was already stated that can be argued both ways and is a matter of preference. On 12/18/14, Don Breda don.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12/18/2014 12:40 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Hi List I'm looking for hifi equipment as most of what I have I've been using for close on 30 years. There were some useful posts a few weeks ago regarding Sonos speakers from which I have one or two questions which hopefully you can help me with. Am I right in thinking that the Sonos Sub along with either the Sonos 1, 3 or 5 would provide very good sound for listening to music? Secondly, I would suggest two play 5s and a sub for one room. Really makes for some nice listening and also will help with connecting other analog devices to your sonos system, see below. whilst I have have wifi at home it can be a little variable so would the Sonos Boost be a worthwhile purchase along with the other products? The advantage of the boost is that it allows you the freedom to put the speakers anywhere you want. IF you don't have it then at leasone of your sonos speakers must connect via ethernet cable to your router. This may restrict your ability to plase the speakers where you really want them. In my opinion its not a bad idea. The latest version of the sonos firmware howerver allows for wifi connection to your router without a boost. Since your wifi seems somewhat iffie I would suggest the boost as a good idea. Thirdly, although I have a significant amount of my cd collection on external hard drive, I still have a large collection of cds and would therefore want to use a cd player. Would this be easily connected to the speakers? Fourth, I have a large minidisc collection and good Sony minidisc player, would this easily be connectable to the speakers? Having two play 5 speakers will allow you two line in connections to the system so you could put your cd player on one and your mini disk player on the other. Fifth, would control of such a system be better controlled through an iPhone, PC or MacBook or would any of these do the job? I suggest most often control of your system will be done quite easily and successfully through the iPhone and of course thats most desirable. I have found thogh that some things such as adding services and feeding differernt streams to diffent rooms are accomplished more easily through the pc controler but are doable on the iPhone. I have't had experience with the sonos controler on the mac but as I recall it was not very useable so would probably be the last resort. I could be wrong about that though. Finally, whilst retaining my actual copies of cds would I benefit from purchasing space in the cloud to store my music and is playing music from the cloud straightforward? In my opinion I rarely see a reason anymore to have music stored in my home at all whether on cd or hard drive. Subscribing to a good music service such as deezer beats music or something like that gives you access to a music collection it would take ten life times and a billion dollars to amass. No need to waste storage space or physical storage space any more for music. Thats just my opinion and I am sure many will argue. To access the music collection from anywhere at any time is a true luxury and easily accomplished these days without
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Hi Dave, I'm in the UK as well, and I went to Currys to demo the speakers before purchasing. As for Sonos, they are also in the UK, and will be only too pleased to answer all your questions on the below number. 0808 234 6596 Regards. Jim. -Original Message- From: Dave Sheridan Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Thanks Don, John and Sieghard for prompt and thorough answers to my questions. One further question relating to the 45 days to test them out, is this when purchasing direct from Sonos as so far I've just looked at Amazon? I live in the UK and presume Sonos is based in the US, so am I likely to be looking at a significant shipping charge if purchasing directly from Sonos? With thanks from Dave Sent from my iPhone On 18 Dec 2014, at 19:59, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Don, Good thing I read your reply before answering Dave's questions, your descriptions are very well put and right on the money. Only thing I would add for Dave is that if you want to connect external sources like your CD player or minidisc player, you have to go with the Play 5 as it is the only player apart from the Connect and connect Amp which has an input. The Play 3 sounds very nice as well and even the Play 1 with a Sonos sub is quite amazing, but neither the Play 1 or Play 3 have an input. Anyhow, if you want the best sound a set of Play 5 are the way to go and it's only a $100 price difference per player between the Play 3 and Play 5. Keep in mind that Sonos does offer a 45-day satisfaction guaranty so if you think you are ready to give this a try just call Sonos and order your equipment, then enjoy and decide after a few weeks of hands on experience if it's for you. Chances are you'll love it. I'm just waiting for Sonos to add support for the new Tidal music service. They just send me an offer for a 2-months subscription at 40% off the regular price of $19.99 per months and I was listening to some stuff via the Tidal iPhone app using my $200 V-Mota headset and it sounded amazing. Tidal streams in lossless FLAC format so if you have high-end equipment it is really worth it. I also have a Deezer subscription which I received for free with my latest Sonos purchase and for some reason the stream constantly jumps ahead to the next song, it barely plays a song to the end, but half way through it jumps to the next song. Sonos tells me that is because of my internet connection, but I am getting about 30 to 35 Mbps down and 8 to 9 Mbps up with a reasonable ping time so I don't quite understand this and when I was streaming via the Tidal app on my iPhone I listened for an hour without a single drop-out or interruption. Anyhow, I think tidal will be worthwhile to look at once it's on Sonos. The app is a bit cluttered here and there, but it is fully accessible. I hope their Sonos implementation will be full-featured and not like Spotify where you can only access a fraction of the features. This is one reason why I just cancelled my Spotify Premium subscription, I'd rather pay a bit more for Tidal and get better features and the much higher quality. Once Tidal is available via my Sonos system I'll do a separate post/review. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12/18/2014 12:40 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Hi List I'm looking for hifi equipment as most of what I have I've been using for close on 30 years. There were some useful posts a few weeks ago regarding Sonos speakers from which I have one or two questions which hopefully you can help me with. Am I right in thinking that the Sonos Sub along with either the Sonos 1, 3 or 5 would provide very good sound for listening to music? Secondly, I would suggest two play 5s and a sub for one room. Really makes for some nice listening and also will help with connecting other analog devices to your sonos system, see below. whilst I have have wifi at home it can be a little variable so would the Sonos Boost be a worthwhile purchase along with the other products? The advantage of the boost is that it allows you the freedom to put the speakers anywhere you want. IF you don't have it then at leasone of your sonos speakers must connect via ethernet cable to your router. This may restrict your ability to plase the speakers where you really want them. In my opinion its not a bad idea. The latest version of the sonos firmware howerver allows for wifi connection to your router without a boost. Since your wifi seems somewhat iffie I would suggest the boost as a good idea. Thirdly, although I have a significant amount of my cd collection on external hard drive, I still have a large
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Hi Don, I guess it all depends on how serious you are with these services. I prefer quality and so far it seems that Tidal is definitely a step above the rest although Deezer offers a $20 subscription which they say also includes lossless format streaming. I will have to sit down and talk to sonos, submit some diagnostic reports from my system and see if they can find out why I am getting this behavior where songs only play part way and then skip. I had signed up with a german service called Aupeo and experienced the same behavior and just thought it was because it was a much less expensive subscription and just not as good. I have 1 Sonos connect at my business as well and it's wired into my router and I have experienced the same with Deezer. My internet connection there is ADSL with 25 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up which should be plenty fast enough even for lossless streaming. I don't know what kind of bandwidth Netflix requires, but I never have any issues with it via my Apple TV which is connected wirelessly to my home network. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Sieghard I had a subscription to Tidal and gave it up. I also have a deezer subscription and like it very much. I have never once had the problem you describe with deezer. I didn't like tidal all that much only because their search results seemed rather limitted. I must say I do have complaints with most music services regardign searches and results but Tidal never seemd to display all the hits for a search query either in the iPhone app or the sonos implementation. For some reason they never seem to display all the results they have for a search. I finally let the subscription go. I currently subscribe to deezer, beats, and google play music. Not sure yet what I will settle on. One reason is because I dont' know what Apple is going to do with beats yet. Don On 12/18/2014 2:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Don, Good thing I read your reply before answering Dave's questions, your descriptions are very well put and right on the money. Only thing I would add for Dave is that if you want to connect external sources like your CD player or minidisc player, you have to go with the Play 5 as it is the only player apart from the Connect and connect Amp which has an input. The Play 3 sounds very nice as well and even the Play 1 with a Sonos sub is quite amazing, but neither the Play 1 or Play 3 have an input. Anyhow, if you want the best sound a set of Play 5 are the way to go and it's only a $100 price difference per player between the Play 3 and Play 5. Keep in mind that Sonos does offer a 45-day satisfaction guaranty so if you think you are ready to give this a try just call Sonos and order your equipment, then enjoy and decide after a few weeks of hands on experience if it's for you. Chances are you'll love it. I'm just waiting for Sonos to add support for the new Tidal music service. They just send me an offer for a 2-months subscription at 40% off the regular price of $19.99 per months and I was listening to some stuff via the Tidal iPhone app using my $200 V-Mota headset and it sounded amazing. Tidal streams in lossless FLAC format so if you have high-end equipment it is really worth it. I also have a Deezer subscription which I received for free with my latest Sonos purchase and for some reason the stream constantly jumps ahead to the next song, it barely plays a song to the end, but half way through it jumps to the next song. Sonos tells me that is because of my internet connection, but I am getting about 30 to 35 Mbps down and 8 to 9 Mbps up with a reasonable ping time so I don't quite understand this and when I was streaming via the Tidal app on my iPhone I listened for an hour without a single drop-out or interruption. Anyhow, I think tidal will be worthwhile to look at once it's on Sonos. The app is a bit cluttered here and there, but it is fully accessible. I hope their Sonos implementation will be full-featured and not like Spotify where you can only access a fraction of the features. This is one reason why I just cancelled my Spotify Premium subscription, I'd rather pay a bit more for Tidal and get better features and the much higher quality. Once Tidal is available via my Sonos system I'll do a separate post/review. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12/18/2014 12:40 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Hi List I'm looking for hifi equipment as most of what I have I've
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Thanks Jim for the phone number and your confirmation of the quality of this audio system and the ease in which to set it up. I'll see about visiting a local Curry's store to get a flavour of what to expect but based on what you, Don and Sieghard have said there is little doubt I'll be buying Sonos and joining you all as fans. Thanks again everyone for your helpful contributions. Dave Sent from my iPhone On 18 Dec 2014, at 21:21, jibberjabber2...@talktalk.net wrote: Hi Dave, I'm in the UK as well, and I went to Currys to demo the speakers before purchasing. As for Sonos, they are also in the UK, and will be only too pleased to answer all your questions on the below number. 0808 234 6596 Regards. Jim. -Original Message- From: Dave Sheridan Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Thanks Don, John and Sieghard for prompt and thorough answers to my questions. One further question relating to the 45 days to test them out, is this when purchasing direct from Sonos as so far I've just looked at Amazon? I live in the UK and presume Sonos is based in the US, so am I likely to be looking at a significant shipping charge if purchasing directly from Sonos? With thanks from Dave Sent from my iPhone On 18 Dec 2014, at 19:59, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Don, Good thing I read your reply before answering Dave's questions, your descriptions are very well put and right on the money. Only thing I would add for Dave is that if you want to connect external sources like your CD player or minidisc player, you have to go with the Play 5 as it is the only player apart from the Connect and connect Amp which has an input. The Play 3 sounds very nice as well and even the Play 1 with a Sonos sub is quite amazing, but neither the Play 1 or Play 3 have an input. Anyhow, if you want the best sound a set of Play 5 are the way to go and it's only a $100 price difference per player between the Play 3 and Play 5. Keep in mind that Sonos does offer a 45-day satisfaction guaranty so if you think you are ready to give this a try just call Sonos and order your equipment, then enjoy and decide after a few weeks of hands on experience if it's for you. Chances are you'll love it. I'm just waiting for Sonos to add support for the new Tidal music service. They just send me an offer for a 2-months subscription at 40% off the regular price of $19.99 per months and I was listening to some stuff via the Tidal iPhone app using my $200 V-Mota headset and it sounded amazing. Tidal streams in lossless FLAC format so if you have high-end equipment it is really worth it. I also have a Deezer subscription which I received for free with my latest Sonos purchase and for some reason the stream constantly jumps ahead to the next song, it barely plays a song to the end, but half way through it jumps to the next song. Sonos tells me that is because of my internet connection, but I am getting about 30 to 35 Mbps down and 8 to 9 Mbps up with a reasonable ping time so I don't quite understand this and when I was streaming via the Tidal app on my iPhone I listened for an hour without a single drop-out or interruption. Anyhow, I think tidal will be worthwhile to look at once it's on Sonos. The app is a bit cluttered here and there, but it is fully accessible. I hope their Sonos implementation will be full-featured and not like Spotify where you can only access a fraction of the features. This is one reason why I just cancelled my Spotify Premium subscription, I'd rather pay a bit more for Tidal and get better features and the much higher quality. Once Tidal is available via my Sonos system I'll do a separate post/review. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12/18/2014 12:40 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Hi List I'm looking for hifi equipment as most of what I have I've been using for close on 30 years. There were some useful posts a few weeks ago regarding Sonos speakers from which I have one or two questions which hopefully you can help me with. Am I right in thinking that the Sonos Sub along with either the Sonos 1, 3 or 5 would provide very good sound for listening to music? Secondly, I would suggest two play 5s and a sub for one room. Really makes for some nice listening and also will help with connecting other analog devices to your sonos system, see below. whilst I have have wifi at home it can be a little variable so would the Sonos Boost be a worthwhile purchase along with the other products? The advantage of the boost is that it allows you
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Sorry I just don't know the answer to that. Here is the U.S. they provide return shipping labels in their products and you just slap them on the boxes and ship them back. They even pay for the return shipping and no restocking fees. I only bought a boost directly from them and purchased my other sonos components locally. Most stores have a 30 day return policy so maybe by them locally in the UK. believe me 30 days is probably long enough to decide to keep them. Don On 12/18/2014 3:31 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Thanks Don, John and Sieghard for prompt and thorough answers to my questions. One further question relating to the 45 days to test them out, is this when purchasing direct from Sonos as so far I've just looked at Amazon? I live in the UK and presume Sonos is based in the US, so am I likely to be looking at a significant shipping charge if purchasing directly from Sonos? With thanks from Dave Sent from my iPhone On 18 Dec 2014, at 19:59, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Don, Good thing I read your reply before answering Dave's questions, your descriptions are very well put and right on the money. Only thing I would add for Dave is that if you want to connect external sources like your CD player or minidisc player, you have to go with the Play 5 as it is the only player apart from the Connect and connect Amp which has an input. The Play 3 sounds very nice as well and even the Play 1 with a Sonos sub is quite amazing, but neither the Play 1 or Play 3 have an input. Anyhow, if you want the best sound a set of Play 5 are the way to go and it's only a $100 price difference per player between the Play 3 and Play 5. Keep in mind that Sonos does offer a 45-day satisfaction guaranty so if you think you are ready to give this a try just call Sonos and order your equipment, then enjoy and decide after a few weeks of hands on experience if it's for you. Chances are you'll love it. I'm just waiting for Sonos to add support for the new Tidal music service. They just send me an offer for a 2-months subscription at 40% off the regular price of $19.99 per months and I was listening to some stuff via the Tidal iPhone app using my $200 V-Mota headset and it sounded amazing. Tidal streams in lossless FLAC format so if you have high-end equipment it is really worth it. I also have a Deezer subscription which I received for free with my latest Sonos purchase and for some reason the stream constantly jumps ahead to the next song, it barely plays a song to the end, but half way through it jumps to the next song. Sonos tells me that is because of my internet connection, but I am getting about 30 to 35 Mbps down and 8 to 9 Mbps up with a reasonable ping time so I don't quite understand this and when I was streaming via the Tidal app on my iPhone I listened for an hour without a single drop-out or interruption. Anyhow, I think tidal will be worthwhile to look at once it's on Sonos. The app is a bit cluttered here and there, but it is fully accessible. I hope their Sonos implementation will be full-featured and not like Spotify where you can only access a fraction of the features. This is one reason why I just cancelled my Spotify Premium subscription, I'd rather pay a bit more for Tidal and get better features and the much higher quality. Once Tidal is available via my Sonos system I'll do a separate post/review. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:20 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12/18/2014 12:40 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Hi List I'm looking for hifi equipment as most of what I have I've been using for close on 30 years. There were some useful posts a few weeks ago regarding Sonos speakers from which I have one or two questions which hopefully you can help me with. Am I right in thinking that the Sonos Sub along with either the Sonos 1, 3 or 5 would provide very good sound for listening to music? Secondly, I would suggest two play 5s and a sub for one room. Really makes for some nice listening and also will help with connecting other analog devices to your sonos system, see below. whilst I have have wifi at home it can be a little variable so would the Sonos Boost be a worthwhile purchase along with the other products? The advantage of the boost is that it allows you the freedom to put the speakers anywhere you want. IF you don't have it then at leasone of your sonos speakers must connect via ethernet cable to your router. This may restrict your ability to plase the speakers where you really want them. In my opinion its not a bad idea. The latest version of the sonos firmware howerver allows for wifi connection to your router without a boost. Since your wifi seems somewhat iffie I would suggest the boost
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Well Deezer does give you the lossless streaming at this point its still $10 per month. They are in the process of recoding a lot of their music so that is something to be aware of but truthfully I just haven't had one dropout with deezer or tidal and the sound was quite comparable. I do have 300mbps down and 20mpbs up here but even over lte deezer has worked great when I am not on wifi and I have all strems set to high bandwith. Don On 12/18/2014 4:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Don, I guess it all depends on how serious you are with these services. I prefer quality and so far it seems that Tidal is definitely a step above the rest although Deezer offers a $20 subscription which they say also includes lossless format streaming. I will have to sit down and talk to sonos, submit some diagnostic reports from my system and see if they can find out why I am getting this behavior where songs only play part way and then skip. I had signed up with a german service called Aupeo and experienced the same behavior and just thought it was because it was a much less expensive subscription and just not as good. I have 1 Sonos connect at my business as well and it's wired into my router and I have experienced the same with Deezer. My internet connection there is ADSL with 25 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up which should be plenty fast enough even for lossless streaming. I don't know what kind of bandwidth Netflix requires, but I never have any issues with it via my Apple TV which is connected wirelessly to my home network. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Sieghard I had a subscription to Tidal and gave it up. I also have a deezer subscription and like it very much. I have never once had the problem you describe with deezer. I didn't like tidal all that much only because their search results seemed rather limitted. I must say I do have complaints with most music services regardign searches and results but Tidal never seemd to display all the hits for a search query either in the iPhone app or the sonos implementation. For some reason they never seem to display all the results they have for a search. I finally let the subscription go. I currently subscribe to deezer, beats, and google play music. Not sure yet what I will settle on. One reason is because I dont' know what Apple is going to do with beats yet. Don On 12/18/2014 2:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Don, Good thing I read your reply before answering Dave's questions, your descriptions are very well put and right on the money. Only thing I would add for Dave is that if you want to connect external sources like your CD player or minidisc player, you have to go with the Play 5 as it is the only player apart from the Connect and connect Amp which has an input. The Play 3 sounds very nice as well and even the Play 1 with a Sonos sub is quite amazing, but neither the Play 1 or Play 3 have an input. Anyhow, if you want the best sound a set of Play 5 are the way to go and it's only a $100 price difference per player between the Play 3 and Play 5. Keep in mind that Sonos does offer a 45-day satisfaction guaranty so if you think you are ready to give this a try just call Sonos and order your equipment, then enjoy and decide after a few weeks of hands on experience if it's for you. Chances are you'll love it. I'm just waiting for Sonos to add support for the new Tidal music service. They just send me an offer for a 2-months subscription at 40% off the regular price of $19.99 per months and I was listening to some stuff via the Tidal iPhone app using my $200 V-Mota headset and it sounded amazing. Tidal streams in lossless FLAC format so if you have high-end equipment it is really worth it. I also have a Deezer subscription which I received for free with my latest Sonos purchase and for some reason the stream constantly jumps ahead to the next song, it barely plays a song to the end, but half way through it jumps to the next song. Sonos tells me that is because of my internet connection, but I am getting about 30 to 35 Mbps down and 8 to 9 Mbps up with a reasonable ping time so I don't quite understand this and when I was streaming via the Tidal app on my iPhone I listened for an hour without a single drop-out or interruption. Anyhow, I think tidal will be worthwhile to look at once it's on Sonos. The app is a bit cluttered here and there, but it is fully accessible. I hope their Sonos implementation will be full-featured and not like Spotify where you can only access a fraction of the features. This is one reason why I just cancelled my Spotify Premium subscription, I'd rather pay a bit more for Tidal and get better features and the much higher quality. Once Tidal is available via my Sonos system I'll
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Those are speeds I can only dream of at this point. I thought even optic/fibre was only 50 or 100 Mbps down and 10 or 25 up respectivevely. I live in a small town in northwestern British Columbia. Apparently we are soon getting LTE here, but there is no optic TV service yet and it's unlikely we get fibre to the house any time soon. The normal residential ADSL is 6 down and 1 up which especially on the upstream speed realistically means 0.5 to 0.7 up. I get the 25 down and 5 up at my business and was lucky to get in on a trail with Telus where they are testing a wireless modem which uses the 2.3 Ghz frequency and offers LTE speeds. I am having this for free until next May and then I will have to find out if they even continue the service, at this point it was basically a situation where they had to use the band or loose it so they gave a bunch of business customers these modems for free for 1 year. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:48 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Well Deezer does give you the lossless streaming at this point its still $10 per month. They are in the process of recoding a lot of their music so that is something to be aware of but truthfully I just haven't had one dropout with deezer or tidal and the sound was quite comparable. I do have 300mbps down and 20mpbs up here but even over lte deezer has worked great when I am not on wifi and I have all strems set to high bandwith. Don On 12/18/2014 4:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Don, I guess it all depends on how serious you are with these services. I prefer quality and so far it seems that Tidal is definitely a step above the rest although Deezer offers a $20 subscription which they say also includes lossless format streaming. I will have to sit down and talk to sonos, submit some diagnostic reports from my system and see if they can find out why I am getting this behavior where songs only play part way and then skip. I had signed up with a german service called Aupeo and experienced the same behavior and just thought it was because it was a much less expensive subscription and just not as good. I have 1 Sonos connect at my business as well and it's wired into my router and I have experienced the same with Deezer. My internet connection there is ADSL with 25 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up which should be plenty fast enough even for lossless streaming. I don't know what kind of bandwidth Netflix requires, but I never have any issues with it via my Apple TV which is connected wirelessly to my home network. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Sieghard I had a subscription to Tidal and gave it up. I also have a deezer subscription and like it very much. I have never once had the problem you describe with deezer. I didn't like tidal all that much only because their search results seemed rather limitted. I must say I do have complaints with most music services regardign searches and results but Tidal never seemd to display all the hits for a search query either in the iPhone app or the sonos implementation. For some reason they never seem to display all the results they have for a search. I finally let the subscription go. I currently subscribe to deezer, beats, and google play music. Not sure yet what I will settle on. One reason is because I dont' know what Apple is going to do with beats yet. Don On 12/18/2014 2:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Don, Good thing I read your reply before answering Dave's questions, your descriptions are very well put and right on the money. Only thing I would add for Dave is that if you want to connect external sources like your CD player or minidisc player, you have to go with the Play 5 as it is the only player apart from the Connect and connect Amp which has an input. The Play 3 sounds very nice as well and even the Play 1 with a Sonos sub is quite amazing, but neither the Play 1 or Play 3 have an input. Anyhow, if you want the best sound a set of Play 5 are the way to go and it's only a $100 price difference per player between the Play 3 and Play 5. Keep in mind that Sonos does offer a 45-day satisfaction guaranty so if you think you are ready to give this a try just call Sonos and order your equipment, then enjoy and decide after a few weeks of hands on experience if it's for you. Chances are you'll love it. I'm just waiting for Sonos to add support for the new Tidal music service. They just send me an offer for a 2-months subscription at 40% off the regular price of $19.99 per months and I was listening to some stuff via
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is the sonos made for in home use only? Do they make blue tooth speakers? How much do they run for? -- From: jibberjabber2...@talktalk.net Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Sieghard, You are correct, using the iPhone, if you tap on the queue button, there is a button to turn shuffle on or off. After reading your reviews of the speakers, and how accessible the software was on the iPhone, I took the plunge a couple of weeks ago and bought a pair of Play 1's, a Play 5, a Play Bar and Sub. I love the audio quality, both from streaming online and directly from my pc, and even using the audio in on the Play 5, all is controlled from the phone. What a wonderful job was done on making the software so accessible with voice over, even through the initial setting up, which is easily done without any sighted help. Regards. Jim. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Sonos speakers I can't verify this until I get home tonight, but I'm pretty sure that once you have a bunch of music playing that you can go into your Queue on the iPhone app and find the Shuffle option there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers The only thing I wanted to add to this is that with the IPhone you can't shuffle music. That needs to be done with the PC. Some one correct me if I'm wrong which I hope I am. Otherwise the Sonos IPhone app is quite nice. I also agree with using 5's rather than 3's. I don't think that the 3's sound all that great. I don't agree with not having music on my own computer but as was already stated that can be argued both ways and is a matter of preference. On 12/18/14, Don Breda don.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dave. I will insert my answers between your quoted questions. On 12/18/2014 12:40 PM, Dave Sheridan wrote: Hi List I'm looking for hifi equipment as most of what I have I've been using for close on 30 years. There were some useful posts a few weeks ago regarding Sonos speakers from which I have one or two questions which hopefully you can help me with. Am I right in thinking that the Sonos Sub along with either the Sonos 1, 3 or 5 would provide very good sound for listening to music? Secondly, I would suggest two play 5s and a sub for one room. Really makes for some nice listening and also will help with connecting other analog devices to your sonos system, see below. whilst I have have wifi at home it can be a little variable so would the Sonos Boost be a worthwhile purchase along with the other products? The advantage of the boost is that it allows you the freedom to put the speakers anywhere you want. IF you don't have it then at leasone of your sonos speakers must connect via ethernet cable to your router. This may restrict your ability to plase the speakers where you really want them. In my opinion its not a bad idea. The latest version of the sonos firmware howerver allows for wifi connection to your router without a boost. Since your wifi seems somewhat iffie I would suggest the boost as a good idea. Thirdly, although I have a significant amount of my cd collection on external hard drive, I still have a large collection of cds and would therefore want to use a cd player. Would this be easily connected to the speakers? Fourth, I have a large minidisc collection and good Sony minidisc player, would this easily be connectable to the speakers? Having two play 5 speakers will allow you two line in connections to the system so you could put your cd player on one and your mini disk player on the other. Fifth, would control of such a system be better controlled through an iPhone, PC or MacBook or would any of these do the job? I suggest most often control of your system will be done quite easily and successfully through the iPhone and of course thats most desirable. I have found thogh that some things such as adding services and feeding differernt streams to diffent rooms are accomplished more easily through the pc controler but are doable on the iPhone. I have't had experience with the sonos controler on the mac but as I recall it was not very useable so would probably be the last resort. I could be wrong about that though. Finally, whilst retaining my actual copies of cds would I benefit from purchasing space in the cloud to store my music and is playing music from the cloud straightforward? In my opinion I rarely see a reason anymore to have music stored in my home at all whether on cd or hard drive. Subscribing to a good music service such as deezer beats music or something like that gives you access to a music collection it would take ten
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I don’t remember the name this really good losless streaming service will be called in USA, but are founded in Norway and lunced in many european countries. In Norway it is called WIMP. I believe they will lounch in USA in 2015. When using Google Chrome on Mac i have an Voice Over accessible browser music player for lossless cd quality. This is the only option on Mac with Voice Over. Iphone app is Voice Over friendly too, but don’t uppgrade before the accesibility for Voice Over is fixed after updates. So far, when it is fixed it is done good. Just have to wait for a few weeks after updates. I have a problem hitting the search for artist field at the moment with voice over. With the Google Chrome player. This is a major issue for many. Otherwise you can do everything. Watch out for this Norwegian music streaming service soon. Another option for music like this is good. Take care 18. des. 2014 kl. 23:00 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca: Those are speeds I can only dream of at this point. I thought even optic/fibre was only 50 or 100 Mbps down and 10 or 25 up respectivevely. I live in a small town in northwestern British Columbia. Apparently we are soon getting LTE here, but there is no optic TV service yet and it's unlikely we get fibre to the house any time soon. The normal residential ADSL is 6 down and 1 up which especially on the upstream speed realistically means 0.5 to 0.7 up. I get the 25 down and 5 up at my business and was lucky to get in on a trail with Telus where they are testing a wireless modem which uses the 2.3 Ghz frequency and offers LTE speeds. I am having this for free until next May and then I will have to find out if they even continue the service, at this point it was basically a situation where they had to use the band or loose it so they gave a bunch of business customers these modems for free for 1 year. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:48 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Well Deezer does give you the lossless streaming at this point its still $10 per month. They are in the process of recoding a lot of their music so that is something to be aware of but truthfully I just haven't had one dropout with deezer or tidal and the sound was quite comparable. I do have 300mbps down and 20mpbs up here but even over lte deezer has worked great when I am not on wifi and I have all strems set to high bandwith. Don On 12/18/2014 4:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Don, I guess it all depends on how serious you are with these services. I prefer quality and so far it seems that Tidal is definitely a step above the rest although Deezer offers a $20 subscription which they say also includes lossless format streaming. I will have to sit down and talk to sonos, submit some diagnostic reports from my system and see if they can find out why I am getting this behavior where songs only play part way and then skip. I had signed up with a german service called Aupeo and experienced the same behavior and just thought it was because it was a much less expensive subscription and just not as good. I have 1 Sonos connect at my business as well and it's wired into my router and I have experienced the same with Deezer. My internet connection there is ADSL with 25 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up which should be plenty fast enough even for lossless streaming. I don't know what kind of bandwidth Netflix requires, but I never have any issues with it via my Apple TV which is connected wirelessly to my home network. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Breda Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sonos speakers Hi Sieghard I had a subscription to Tidal and gave it up. I also have a deezer subscription and like it very much. I have never once had the problem you describe with deezer. I didn't like tidal all that much only because their search results seemed rather limitted. I must say I do have complaints with most music services regardign searches and results but Tidal never seemd to display all the hits for a search query either in the iPhone app or the sonos implementation. For some reason they never seem to display all the results they have for a search. I finally let the subscription go. I currently subscribe to deezer, beats, and google play music. Not sure yet what I will settle on. One reason is because I dont' know what Apple is going to do with beats yet. Don On 12/18/2014 2:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Don, Good thing I read your reply before answering Dave's questions, your descriptions are very well put and right on the money. Only thing I would add for Dave
