Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Supersense won't work with no bluetooth enabled

2020-12-23 Thread Richard Turner
I think you nailed it. Dan must have grabbed the wrong app. Here is the link to 
the right Supersense AI:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/supersense-ai-for-blind/id1484547836


Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon 
airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Dec 23, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Ryan Mann  wrote:


I wonder if this person has the wrong Super Sense.  When I searched for Super 
Sense, I noticed that there were two apps called Super Sense.  One was called 
Super Sense and the other is Super Sense AI.  You want Super Sense AI.  I got 
the other app first and I was asked about Bluetooth.  After I downloaded the 
correct app, I was not asked about Bluetooth.

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From: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 7:59:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Supersense won't work with no bluetooth enabled

can someone please explain what screen recognition or voiceover recognition is 
and how it is supposed to be useful? I must’ve missed an earlier explanation of 
this.

Thank you. Keith

> On Dec 23, 2020, at 10:05 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Screen recognition is almost useless nowadays, Apple has to do a lot of work 
> on it.
>
> For 90% of the times it makes apps and even the ios useless. I am convinced 
> about the good intentions they're having with the feature but it is in a very 
> very beginners stage.
> And I am sure that now there will be apps that include more recognition when 
> one test them out with the feature enabled but all of the somewhat 
> inaccessible apps on my phone get completely useless wen embedding this 
> feature.
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
> Verzonden: woensdag 23 december 2020 16:50
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: Supersense won't work with no bluetooth enabled
>
> Malcolm is correct.
> I just retested with screen recognition on and nothing other than the menu 
> button speaks correctly.
> Here's hoping this is resolved in 14.4 when it comes out.
>
>
>
> Richard, in the U.S.
>
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in 
> deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I 
> was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>
> • I’m not the card shark
> • My web site, 
> www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7Cf9d87f10b1f44d936ca308d8a7c0db7c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637443794048197820%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=YPg58%2FUuhz9iJw%2BZIOD2HbcBTZyuHz7ecFnCUGPA7AM%3D=0>
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 7:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Supersense won't work with no bluetooth enabled
>
> Supersense is unusable with Screen Recognition on using my iPhone XR.
>
> All I get is the Menu button spoken then just Button as I swipe Around the 
> screen.
>
> So if anyone has problems with Supersense I would suggest you try turning off 
> Screen Recognition and see if your problems are solved.
>
> Malcolm Parfitt
>
>> On 23 Dec 2020, at 15:35, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shane,
>> Donna is talking about the new "feature" in iOS 14 for image and screen 
>> recognition, which is available on newer devices.
>> It is called VoiceOver Recognition in the VoiceOver settings and has a few 
>> options you can turn on and then if it is on the rotor, you can turn it on 
>> or off for different apps.
>> I've tried Supersense with and without them on and it seems to work fine 
>> either way.
>>
>> Dan's issue though I cannot test as I p

Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Supersense won't work with no bluetooth enabled

2020-12-23 Thread Ryan Mann
I wonder if this person has the wrong Super Sense.  When I searched for Super 
Sense, I noticed that there were two apps called Super Sense.  One was called 
Super Sense and the other is Super Sense AI.  You want Super Sense AI.  I got 
the other app first and I was asked about Bluetooth.  After I downloaded the 
correct app, I was not asked about Bluetooth.

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From: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 7:59:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Supersense won't work with no bluetooth enabled

can someone please explain what screen recognition or voiceover recognition is 
and how it is supposed to be useful? I must’ve missed an earlier explanation of 
this.

Thank you. Keith

> On Dec 23, 2020, at 10:05 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Screen recognition is almost useless nowadays, Apple has to do a lot of work 
> on it.
>
> For 90% of the times it makes apps and even the ios useless. I am convinced 
> about the good intentions they're having with the feature but it is in a very 
> very beginners stage.
> And I am sure that now there will be apps that include more recognition when 
> one test them out with the feature enabled but all of the somewhat 
> inaccessible apps on my phone get completely useless wen embedding this 
> feature.
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
> Verzonden: woensdag 23 december 2020 16:50
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: Supersense won't work with no bluetooth enabled
>
> Malcolm is correct.
> I just retested with screen recognition on and nothing other than the menu 
> button speaks correctly.
> Here's hoping this is resolved in 14.4 when it comes out.
>
>
>
> Richard, in the U.S.
>
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in 
> deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I 
> was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>
> • I’m not the card shark
> • My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>
> •
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 7:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Supersense won't work with no bluetooth enabled
>
> Supersense is unusable with Screen Recognition on using my iPhone XR.
>
> All I get is the Menu button spoken then just Button as I swipe Around the 
> screen.
>
> So if anyone has problems with Supersense I would suggest you try turning off 
> Screen Recognition and see if your problems are solved.
>
> Malcolm Parfitt
>
>> On 23 Dec 2020, at 15:35, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shane,
>> Donna is talking about the new "feature" in iOS 14 for image and screen 
>> recognition, which is available on newer devices.
>> It is called VoiceOver Recognition in the VoiceOver settings and has a few 
>> options you can turn on and then if it is on the rotor, you can turn it on 
>> or off for different apps.
>> I've tried Supersense with and without them on and it seems to work fine 
>> either way.
>>
>> Dan's issue though I cannot test as I probably said yes to its asking about 
>> Bluetooth devices in case I was going to use Bluetooth earphones or another 
>> device down the road.
>> If saying no to this option actually cripples Supersense and Bluetooth, that 
>> is a problem.
>>
>> I'd be surprised if it is, but if you can start fresh and install it and say 
>> no to its wanting access to Bluetooth devices, you can see if that is a 
>> universal problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, in the U.S.
>>
>> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
>> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation 
>> in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me 
>> when I was young."
>> "Why, what did she tell you?"
>> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
>> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>>
>> • I’m not the card shark
>> • My web site,
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C8e5560701ebc4c7acffc08d8a7597a99%7
>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6374433500

Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Supersense won't work with no bluetooth enabled

2020-12-23 Thread 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone
can someone please explain what screen recognition or voiceover recognition is 
and how it is supposed to be useful? I must’ve missed an earlier explanation of 
this.

Thank you. Keith

> On Dec 23, 2020, at 10:05 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Screen recognition is almost useless nowadays, Apple has to do a lot of work 
> on it.
> 
> For 90% of the times it makes apps and even the ios useless. I am convinced 
> about the good intentions they're having with the feature but it is in a very 
> very beginners stage.
> And I am sure that now there will be apps that include more recognition when 
> one test them out with the feature enabled but all of the somewhat 
> inaccessible apps on my phone get completely useless wen embedding this 
> feature.
> Davy 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Richard Turner
> Verzonden: woensdag 23 december 2020 16:50
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: Supersense won't work with no bluetooth enabled
> 
> Malcolm is correct.
> I just retested with screen recognition on and nothing other than the menu 
> button speaks correctly.
> Here's hoping this is resolved in 14.4 when it comes out.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, in the U.S.
> 
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in 
> deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I 
> was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
> 
> • I’m not the card shark
> • My web site, www.turner42.com
> •
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 7:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Supersense won't work with no bluetooth enabled
> 
> Supersense is unusable with Screen Recognition on using my iPhone XR.
> 
> All I get is the Menu button spoken then just Button as I swipe Around the 
> screen.
> 
> So if anyone has problems with Supersense I would suggest you try turning off 
> Screen Recognition and see if your problems are solved.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 23 Dec 2020, at 15:35, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shane,
>> Donna is talking about the new "feature" in iOS 14 for image and screen 
>> recognition, which is available on newer devices.
>> It is called VoiceOver Recognition in the VoiceOver settings and has a few 
>> options you can turn on and then if it is on the rotor, you can turn it on 
>> or off for different apps.
>> I've tried Supersense with and without them on and it seems to work fine 
>> either way.
>> 
>> Dan's issue though I cannot test as I probably said yes to its asking about 
>> Bluetooth devices in case I was going to use Bluetooth earphones or another 
>> device down the road.
>> If saying no to this option actually cripples Supersense and Bluetooth, that 
>> is a problem.
>> 
>> I'd be surprised if it is, but if you can start fresh and install it and say 
>> no to its wanting access to Bluetooth devices, you can see if that is a 
>> universal problem.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, in the U.S.
>> 
>> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
>> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation 
>> in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me 
>> when I was young."
>> "Why, what did she tell you?"
>> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
>> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>> 
>> • I’m not the card shark
>> • My web site,
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C8e5560701ebc4c7acffc08d8a7597a99%7
>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637443350039915494%7CUnkno
>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
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>> Wg3I%3Dreserved=0
>> •
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Shane Lowe
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 7:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Supersense won't work with no bluetooth enabled
>> 
>> Donna, thanks for a solution to this!
>> I am unfamiliar with this issue, could you please give me more details so I 
>> can better help anyone in the future who reports it?
>> 
>> 
 On 12/23/20, Donna Casteen  wrote:
>>> Turn the rotor to screen recognition & flick to turn off. Do the same 
>>> for image description. Always check these 2 settings when installing a new 
>>> app.
>>> The settings are on by default.
>>> 
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 
 
 I put it on my SE 2020 and started it.  It of course came up with 
 the setup settings.
 
 
 
 It asked for access to bluetooth and I told it no.  I do not see why 
 it would need bluetooth access, I don't have any