Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

[Christopher Chaltain]

Obviously, not every app in the App Store is going to be replicated in 
the Play Store. Accessibility also won't be the same. In some cases you 
may find an app you prefer in the Play Store or an Android app might be 
more accessible than the corresponding iPhone app. For me, I played 
around with a Nexus 7 for a few years, and between that and Jonathan 
Mosen's article, I realized that the things I do on the iPhone I can do 
on an Android phone, and some things that are important to me but may 
not be to other iPhone users, are possible on Android and not on an 
Apple device. For this reason, I made the switch to a Samsung S7, 
although I still have my own personal iPhone, and I still use an iPhone 
for work.


If you're happy with your iPhone then there's no reason to switch, and I 
don't think any post in this thread is encouraging that. If you're 
curious about Android though, you can do some research to see if the 
apps you use on the iPhone will also be present and accessible on 
Android. It won't be true across the board, but you'll find it's true 
for most of the most popular and common apps.


I believe this thread got started when someone was asking about tablets 
and made the gratuitous statement that they told an AT rep that they 
wouldn't consider an Android tablet due to their problems with 
accessibility. I don't think there needs to be this much time spent on 
an IOS list talking about Android, but I do think it's important that 
accurate information is presented when talking about other devices. I 
don't think this thread was started to convince anyone to leave the 
iPhone nor was it started to encourage bashing of Android. Choice is 
good and sharing of accurate information is important.



On 31/07/16 08:53, Russ Kiehne wrote:

That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad
mini?

It’s my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the
ipad than on a android device?

*From:* Kevin Chao <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think
[was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches
iOS 10 VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a
lot to be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern
Android TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is
difficult to let go of legacy experiences one may have.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel
<icecreamlove...@outlook.com <mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hello there Christopher,

Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android
tablets and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.



However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I
tried one a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I
had an earlier version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as
well. At one point, along time ago, I had an android phone, and I
never like that thing. I know some people love android products, and
that is there right, and their choice. But I am not one of them. I
know my iPhone, and other Apple products, can have their
limitations. But I can live with those limitations. But thank you
again for giving me your thoughts on this matter. I do appreciate it.

Terri
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain
<chalt...@gmail.com <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of
which is that you may not want to learn another interface and screen
reader, but it's getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't
very accessible. Jonathan Mosen has a good article talking about his
experience with an Android phone, and based on that article, and
some other reasons, I got a Samsung S7 Active to go along with my
Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone definitely has it's strengths, but
depending on what you do with the phone, an Android phone or tablet
is quite accessible.
>
>> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
>> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more
memory on my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't
know if I will upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking
to the lady, she told me that they were running a great promotion on
tablets. I told her then I would blind, and that I did not want an
android tablet because I didn't feel they were very accessible.
>> So she looked to se

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
Before starting this you should read Jonathan Mosen article on
  Android in the Blog part of his site www.mosen.org. It is true
  Android gets better and better but there's so much under the hood
  which needs serious polishing. Try to follow Jonathans steps and
  decide is it better or not.



  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

30.7.2016. u 22:33, Kevin Chao je
  napisao/la:


  Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user
experience matches iOS 10 VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in
other areas.
I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was
  sub-optimal  and had a lot to be desired, but I'd encourage
  screen reader users to try modern Android TalkBack. You'll be
  pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is difficult to let go
  of legacy experiences one may have. 
  
  
  
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel
  
  wrote:

Hello there
  Christopher,
  
  Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on
  android tablets and phones. I really appreciate it. That was
  very kind of you.
  
  
  
  However, I am not at all interested in having an android
  cabinet. I tried one a few months ago, and I really dislike
  it. Before that, I had an earlier version of a tablet, and I
  really dislike that as well. At one point, along time ago, I
  had an android phone, and I never like that thing. I know some
  people love android products, and that is there right, and
  their choice. But I am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and
  other Apple products, can have their limitations. But I can
  live with those limitations. But thank you again for giving me
  your thoughts on this matter. I do appreciate it.
  
  Terri
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
  >
  > There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android
  tablet, one of which is that you may not want to learn another
  interface and screen reader, but it's getting hard to say that
  Android tablets aren't very accessible. Jonathan Mosen has a
  good article talking about his experience with an Android
  phone, and based on that article, and some other reasons, I
  got a Samsung S7 Active to go along with my Nexus 7 tablet.
  The iPhone definitely has it's strengths, but depending on
  what you do with the phone, an Android phone or tablet is
  quite accessible.
  >
  >> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
  >> Hello everybody,
  >>
  >> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
  >> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my
  phone. I want more memory on my phone. I was told I could
  upgrade in February. I don't know if I will upgrade now. But I
  might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, she told me
  that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told
  her then I would blind, and that I did not want an android
  tablet because I didn't feel they were very accessible.
  >> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She
  said she could offer me an iPad mini, but it was the second
  generation. I don't know much about iPads, so I asked her what
  the latest generation was. She told me the latest generation
  wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I know I will
  be paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. So I
  decided to go with the 64 gig model. I thought that would give
  me plenty of space to do whatever I wanted to do. I got it in
  silver.
  >>
  >> It should arrive in about five days. I'm very excited
  about this! No I don't feel so over whelmed, when it comes to
  making a decision as to what kind of device to get, or not to
  get.
  >>
  >> In a little while, I will write a post and ask about
  iPads. Like I said, I don't know much about them. So I need to
  learn some things.
  >>
  >> Thank you all for all of the help and support. I
  really appreciate it
  >>
  >> Thank you, and have a great day!
  >>
  >> Terri

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

[Deidre Muccio]

These are very important points. Thanks.


Deidre


> On Jul 31, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> And what about upgradability? Not all Android devices support or have the 
> latest versions and not all can support them which means that we have even 
> more special questions to ask the dealers who probably won’t know because 
> they are in big chains and they only sell, they do not know a thing about 
> what they sell and definitely no blindness specific stuff. At least that’s 
> the way in Sweden now.
> /Krister
> 
>> 31 juli 2016 kl. 15:53 skrev Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad 
>> mini?
>>  
>> It’s my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the ipad 
>> than on a android device?
>>  
>> From: Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
>> "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]
>>  
>> Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches iOS 
>> 10 VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
>> I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a lot 
>> to be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern Android 
>> TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is difficult to 
>> let go of legacy experiences one may have.
>>  
>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Hello there Christopher,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android 
>>> tablets and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried 
>>> one a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an 
>>> earlier version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one 
>>> point, along time ago, I had an android phone, and I never like that thing. 
>>> I know some people love android products, and that is there right, and 
>>> their choice. But I am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and other Apple 
>>> products, can have their limitations. But I can live with those 
>>> limitations. But thank you again for giving me your thoughts on this 
>>> matter. I do appreciate it.
>>> 
>>> Terri
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which 
>>> > is that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, 
>>> > but it's getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very accessible. 
>>> > Jonathan Mosen has a good article talking about his experience with an 
>>> > Android phone, and based on that article, and some other reasons, I got a 
>>> > Samsung S7 Active to go along with my Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone 
>>> > definitely has it's strengths, but depending on what you do with the 
>>> > phone, an Android phone or tablet is quite accessible.
>>> >
>>> >> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>>> >> Hello everybody,
>>> >>
>>> >> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
>>> >> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more memory 
>>> >> on my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't know if I 
>>> >> will upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, 
>>> >> she told me that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told 
>>> >> her then I would blind, and that I did not want an android tablet 
>>> >> because I didn't feel they were very accessible.
>>> >> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could offer 
>>> >> me an iPad mini, but it was the second generation. I don't know much 
>>> >> about iPads, so I asked her what the latest generation was. She told me 
>>> >> the latest generation wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I 
>>> >> know I will be paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. So 
>>> >> I decided to go with the 64 gig model. I thought that would give me 
&

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

[Krister Ekstrom]

And what about upgradability? Not all Android devices support or have the 
latest versions and not all can support them which means that we have even more 
special questions to ask the dealers who probably won’t know because they are 
in big chains and they only sell, they do not know a thing about what they sell 
and definitely no blindness specific stuff. At least that’s the way in Sweden 
now.
/Krister

> 31 juli 2016 kl. 15:53 skrev Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>:
> 
> That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad mini?
>  
> It’s my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the ipad 
> than on a android device?
>  
> From: Kevin Chao <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
> "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]
>  
> Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches iOS 10 
> VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
> I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a lot 
> to be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern Android 
> TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is difficult to 
> let go of legacy experiences one may have.
>  
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com 
> <mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> Hello there Christopher,
>> 
>> Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android tablets 
>> and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried 
>> one a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an earlier 
>> version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one point, along 
>> time ago, I had an android phone, and I never like that thing. I know some 
>> people love android products, and that is there right, and their choice. But 
>> I am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and other Apple products, can have 
>> their limitations. But I can live with those limitations. But thank you 
>> again for giving me your thoughts on this matter. I do appreciate it.
>> 
>> Terri
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com 
>> > <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which 
>> > is that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, but 
>> > it's getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very accessible. 
>> > Jonathan Mosen has a good article talking about his experience with an 
>> > Android phone, and based on that article, and some other reasons, I got a 
>> > Samsung S7 Active to go along with my Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone 
>> > definitely has it's strengths, but depending on what you do with the 
>> > phone, an Android phone or tablet is quite accessible.
>> >
>> >> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>> >> Hello everybody,
>> >>
>> >> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
>> >> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more memory 
>> >> on my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't know if I 
>> >> will upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, 
>> >> she told me that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told 
>> >> her then I would blind, and that I did not want an android tablet because 
>> >> I didn't feel they were very accessible.
>> >> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could offer me 
>> >> an iPad mini, but it was the second generation. I don't know much about 
>> >> iPads, so I asked her what the latest generation was. She told me the 
>> >> latest generation wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I know 
>> >> I will be paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. So I 
>> >> decided to go with the 64 gig model. I thought that would give me plenty 
>> >> of space to do whatever I wanted to do. I got it in silver.
>> >>
>> >> It should arrive in about five days. I'm very excited about this! No I 
>> >> don't feel so over whelmed, when it comes to making a decision as to what 
>> >> kind of device to get, or not to get.

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

[Mary Otten]

Voice dream on iOS is much much better than voice dream on android. I have both.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 31, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad mini?
>  
> It’s my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the ipad 
> than on a android device?
>  
> From: Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
> "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]
>  
> Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches iOS 10 
> VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
> I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a lot 
> to be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern Android 
> TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is difficult to 
> let go of legacy experiences one may have.
>  
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Hello there Christopher,
>> 
>> Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android tablets 
>> and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried 
>> one a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an earlier 
>> version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one point, along 
>> time ago, I had an android phone, and I never like that thing. I know some 
>> people love android products, and that is there right, and their choice. But 
>> I am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and other Apple products, can have 
>> their limitations. But I can live with those limitations. But thank you 
>> again for giving me your thoughts on this matter. I do appreciate it.
>> 
>> Terri
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which 
>> > is that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, but 
>> > it's getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very accessible. 
>> > Jonathan Mosen has a good article talking about his experience with an 
>> > Android phone, and based on that article, and some other reasons, I got a 
>> > Samsung S7 Active to go along with my Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone 
>> > definitely has it's strengths, but depending on what you do with the 
>> > phone, an Android phone or tablet is quite accessible.
>> >
>> >> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>> >> Hello everybody,
>> >>
>> >> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
>> >> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more memory 
>> >> on my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't know if I 
>> >> will upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, 
>> >> she told me that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told 
>> >> her then I would blind, and that I did not want an android tablet because 
>> >> I didn't feel they were very accessible.
>> >> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could offer me 
>> >> an iPad mini, but it was the second generation. I don't know much about 
>> >> iPads, so I asked her what the latest generation was. She told me the 
>> >> latest generation wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I know 
>> >> I will be paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. So I 
>> >> decided to go with the 64 gig model. I thought that would give me plenty 
>> >> of space to do whatever I wanted to do. I got it in silver.
>> >>
>> >> It should arrive in about five days. I'm very excited about this! No I 
>> >> don't feel so over whelmed, when it comes to making a decision as to what 
>> >> kind of device to get, or not to get.
>> >>
>> >> In a little while, I will write a post and ask about iPads. Like I said, 
>> >> I don't know much about them. So I need to learn some things.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you all for all of the help and support. I really appreciate it
>> >>
>> >> Thank you, and have a great day!
>> >>
>> >> Terri
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iP

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

[Russ Kiehne]

That may be, but does android have all of the same apps I use on my ipad mini?

It’s my understanding that voice dream reader is a lot better on the ipad than 
on a android device?

From: Kevin Chao 
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
"Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches iOS 10 
VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas. 
I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a lot to 
be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern Android 
TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is difficult to let 
go of legacy experiences one may have. 

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> 
wrote:

  Hello there Christopher,

  Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android tablets 
and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.



  However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried one 
a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an earlier 
version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one point, along 
time ago, I had an android phone, and I never like that thing. I know some 
people love android products, and that is there right, and their choice. But I 
am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and other Apple products, can have their 
limitations. But I can live with those limitations. But thank you again for 
giving me your thoughts on this matter. I do appreciate it.

  Terri
  Sent from my iPhone

  > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
  >
  > There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which is 
that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, but it's 
getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very accessible. Jonathan Mosen 
has a good article talking about his experience with an Android phone, and 
based on that article, and some other reasons, I got a Samsung S7 Active to go 
along with my Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone definitely has it's strengths, but 
depending on what you do with the phone, an Android phone or tablet is quite 
accessible.
  >
  >> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
  >> Hello everybody,
  >>
  >> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
  >> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more memory on 
my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't know if I will 
upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, she told me 
that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told her then I would 
blind, and that I did not want an android tablet because I didn't feel they 
were very accessible.
  >> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could offer me 
an iPad mini, but it was the second generation. I don't know much about iPads, 
so I asked her what the latest generation was. She told me the latest 
generation wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I know I will be 
paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. So I decided to go with 
the 64 gig model. I thought that would give me plenty of space to do whatever I 
wanted to do. I got it in silver.
  >>
  >> It should arrive in about five days. I'm very excited about this! No I 
don't feel so over whelmed, when it comes to making a decision as to what kind 
of device to get, or not to get.
  >>
  >> In a little while, I will write a post and ask about iPads. Like I said, I 
don't know much about them. So I need to learn some things.
  >>
  >> Thank you all for all of the help and support. I really appreciate it
  >>
  >> Thank you, and have a great day!
  >>
  >> Terri
  >>
  >> Sent from my iPhone
  >>
  >>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Carol Forrester <carol.l.forres...@me.com> 
wrote:
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Sent from my iPhone
  >>>
  >>>> On 27 Jul 2016, at 19:52, Chris Chaffin <chaffin102...@gmail.com> wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>> Hello Terri,
  >>>> Other places other than Apple offer refurbished iPods.  I got both of my 
kids refurbished 5th generation iPods a couple of years ago from Walmart.  I 
have also seen used or refurbished iPods at places like Best Buy and Amazon.  
Just go to their site and do a search for Refurbished iPod and see what comes 
up.
  >>>>
  >>>> For audio books and movies, I would also recommend dropbox to help free 
up some space on your phone.  Dropbox is a great storage solution when you do 
not have a lot of space on your phone.
  >>>>
  >>>>

RE: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You should have added “In my opinion”
Anyhow, since this is an iOS list and not an Android or general list I think we 
can put this to rest, I think most people by now realize the Android 
accessibility has come a long way and depending on the user may be a good 
alternative to iOS.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was 
"Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches iOS 10 
VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a lot to 
be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern Android 
TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is difficult to let 
go of legacy experiences one may have.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel 
<icecreamlove...@outlook.com<mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hello there Christopher,

Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android tablets 
and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.



However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried one a 
few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an earlier version 
of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one point, along time ago, I 
had an android phone, and I never like that thing. I know some people love 
android products, and that is there right, and their choice. But I am not one 
of them. I know my iPhone, and other Apple products, can have their 
limitations. But I can live with those limitations. But thank you again for 
giving me your thoughts on this matter. I do appreciate it.

Terri
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
> <chalt...@gmail.com<mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which is 
> that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, but it's 
> getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very accessible. Jonathan 
> Mosen has a good article talking about his experience with an Android phone, 
> and based on that article, and some other reasons, I got a Samsung S7 Active 
> to go along with my Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone definitely has it's strengths, 
> but depending on what you do with the phone, an Android phone or tablet is 
> quite accessible.
>
>> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
>> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more memory on 
>> my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't know if I will 
>> upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, she told 
>> me that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told her then I 
>> would blind, and that I did not want an android tablet because I didn't feel 
>> they were very accessible.
>> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could offer me an 
>> iPad mini, but it was the second generation. I don't know much about iPads, 
>> so I asked her what the latest generation was. She told me the latest 
>> generation wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I know I will be 
>> paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. So I decided to go 
>> with the 64 gig model. I thought that would give me plenty of space to do 
>> whatever I wanted to do. I got it in silver.
>>
>> It should arrive in about five days. I'm very excited about this! No I don't 
>> feel so over whelmed, when it comes to making a decision as to what kind of 
>> device to get, or not to get.
>>
>> In a little while, I will write a post and ask about iPads. Like I said, I 
>> don't know much about them. So I need to learn some things.
>>
>> Thank you all for all of the help and support. I really appreciate it
>>
>> Thank you, and have a great day!
>>
>> Terri
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Carol Forrester 
>>> <carol.l.forres...@me.com<mailto:carol.l.forres...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 27 Jul 2016, at 19:52, Chris Chaffin 
>>>> <chaffin102...@gmail.com<mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Terri,
>>>> Other places other than Apple offer refurbished iPods.  I got both of my 
>>>> kids refurbished 5th generation iPods

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

[Kevin Chao]

Current Android 7 and TalkBack 5 accessibility user experience matches
iOS 10 VoiceOVEr in most areas and exceeds in other areas.
I'll agree that earlier Android accessibility was sub-optimal  and had a
lot to be desired, but I'd encourage screen reader users to try modern
Android TalkBack. You'll be pleasantly surprised, but to be fair it is
difficult to let go of legacy experiences one may have.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:15 PM Terri Stimmel 
wrote:

> Hello there Christopher,
>
> Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android
> tablets and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.
>
>
>
> However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried
> one a few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an
> earlier version of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one
> point, along time ago, I had an android phone, and I never like that thing.
> I know some people love android products, and that is there right, and
> their choice. But I am not one of them. I know my iPhone, and other Apple
> products, can have their limitations. But I can live with those
> limitations. But thank you again for giving me your thoughts on this
> matter. I do appreciate it.
>
> Terri
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
> wrote:
> >
> > There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which
> is that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, but
> it's getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very accessible.
> Jonathan Mosen has a good article talking about his experience with an
> Android phone, and based on that article, and some other reasons, I got a
> Samsung S7 Active to go along with my Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone definitely
> has it's strengths, but depending on what you do with the phone, an Android
> phone or tablet is quite accessible.
> >
> >> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
> >> Hello everybody,
> >>
> >> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
> >> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more memory
> on my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't know if I will
> upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, she told
> me that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told her then I
> would blind, and that I did not want an android tablet because I didn't
> feel they were very accessible.
> >> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could offer
> me an iPad mini, but it was the second generation. I don't know much about
> iPads, so I asked her what the latest generation was. She told me the
> latest generation wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I know I
> will be paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. So I decided
> to go with the 64 gig model. I thought that would give me plenty of space
> to do whatever I wanted to do. I got it in silver.
> >>
> >> It should arrive in about five days. I'm very excited about this! No I
> don't feel so over whelmed, when it comes to making a decision as to what
> kind of device to get, or not to get.
> >>
> >> In a little while, I will write a post and ask about iPads. Like I
> said, I don't know much about them. So I need to learn some things.
> >>
> >> Thank you all for all of the help and support. I really appreciate it
> >>
> >> Thank you, and have a great day!
> >>
> >> Terri
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Carol Forrester 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On 27 Jul 2016, at 19:52, Chris Chaffin 
> wrote:
> 
>  Hello Terri,
>  Other places other than Apple offer refurbished iPods.  I got both of
> my kids refurbished 5th generation iPods a couple of years ago from
> Walmart.  I have also seen used or refurbished iPods at places like Best
> Buy and Amazon.  Just go to their site and do a search for Refurbished iPod
> and see what comes up.
> 
>  For audio books and movies, I would also recommend dropbox to help
> free up some space on your phone.  Dropbox is a great storage solution when
> you do not have a lot of space on your phone.
> 
>  Hope this helps.
> 
>  Chris
> 
> 
> > On Jul 27, 2016, at 1:11 PM, Terri Stimmel <
> icecreamlove...@outlook.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,Sieghard
> >
> > Thank you for letting me know this. I was wondering if she had given
> me incorrect information. So I did more research into it. It wasn't easy to
> find, honestly. But I did discover he was incorrect.
> > I am at a loss as to what to do. I really don't want to devices. I
> mean, that does seem kind of silly. I know why people do it, and I know why
> I want to do it. But I don't really have the money to put in to buying a
> brand-new iPod, and they do have 

Re: Android tablet accessibility may be better than you think [was "Re: Questions regarding the IPod"]

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello there Christopher,

Thank you for giving you giving me your dots and opinions on android tablets 
and phones. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you.



However, I am not at all interested in having an android cabinet. I tried one a 
few months ago, and I really dislike it. Before that, I had an earlier version 
of a tablet, and I really dislike that as well. At one point, along time ago, I 
had an android phone, and I never like that thing. I know some people love 
android products, and that is there right, and their choice. But I am not one 
of them. I know my iPhone, and other Apple products, can have their 
limitations. But I can live with those limitations. But thank you again for 
giving me your thoughts on this matter. I do appreciate it.

Terri
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> There's a lot of good reasons not to get an Android tablet, one of which is 
> that you may not want to learn another interface and screen reader, but it's 
> getting hard to say that Android tablets aren't very accessible. Jonathan 
> Mosen has a good article talking about his experience with an Android phone, 
> and based on that article, and some other reasons, I got a Samsung S7 Active 
> to go along with my Nexus 7 tablet. The iPhone definitely has it's strengths, 
> but depending on what you do with the phone, an Android phone or tablet is 
> quite accessible.
> 
>> On 27/07/16 15:24, Terri Stimmel wrote:
>> Hello everybody,
>> 
>> Well, I will not be getting an iPod after all.
>> I called AT, to see when I could upgrade my phone. I want more memory on 
>> my phone. I was told I could upgrade in February. I don't know if I will 
>> upgrade now. But I might. Anyway, when I was talking to the lady, she told 
>> me that they were running a great promotion on tablets. I told her then I 
>> would blind, and that I did not want an android tablet because I didn't feel 
>> they were very accessible.
>> So she looked to see what she could offer me. She said she could offer me an 
>> iPad mini, but it was the second generation. I don't know much about iPads, 
>> so I asked her what the latest generation was. She told me the latest 
>> generation wasn't for. So I told her that's what I wanted. I know I will be 
>> paying on it for a while, but the payments were small. So I decided to go 
>> with the 64 gig model. I thought that would give me plenty of space to do 
>> whatever I wanted to do. I got it in silver.
>> 
>> It should arrive in about five days. I'm very excited about this! No I don't 
>> feel so over whelmed, when it comes to making a decision as to what kind of 
>> device to get, or not to get.
>> 
>> In a little while, I will write a post and ask about iPads. Like I said, I 
>> don't know much about them. So I need to learn some things.
>> 
>> Thank you all for all of the help and support. I really appreciate it
>> 
>> Thank you, and have a great day!
>> 
>> Terri
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Carol Forrester  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 27 Jul 2016, at 19:52, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
 
 Hello Terri,
 Other places other than Apple offer refurbished iPods.  I got both of my 
 kids refurbished 5th generation iPods a couple of years ago from Walmart.  
 I have also seen used or refurbished iPods at places like Best Buy and 
 Amazon.  Just go to their site and do a search for Refurbished iPod and 
 see what comes up.
 
 For audio books and movies, I would also recommend dropbox to help free up 
 some space on your phone.  Dropbox is a great storage solution when you do 
 not have a lot of space on your phone.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Chris
 
 
> On Jul 27, 2016, at 1:11 PM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi there,Sieghard
> 
> Thank you for letting me know this. I was wondering if she had given me 
> incorrect information. So I did more research into it. It wasn't easy to 
> find, honestly. But I did discover he was incorrect.
> I am at a loss as to what to do. I really don't want to devices. I mean, 
> that does seem kind of silly. I know why people do it, and I know why I 
> want to do it. But I don't really have the money to put in to buying a 
> brand-new iPod, and they do have refurbished one. That was supposed to 
> be, they do not have refurbished ones. I just want to be able to enjoy my 
> shows and stuff, without having a lot of distractions. But then when I 
> worry I'm not getting my texts or things of that nature, I get concerned 
> and I am missing important things. Sometimes I am, and sometimes I'm not. 
> I wish I had purchased an iPhone with more memory. But I can't upgrade 
> for a while now. Mine only has 16 gigs, but it looks more like