RE: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

[Cristóbal]

Yeah… sure didn’t pay $180. Must have gotten them on sale then. Ultimately, 
different strokes for different folks. 

 

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For $179.95 I'll stick with seriously high quality sound over the ear 
headphones and deal with comfort and possibly warm ears and stick with my $20 
wrist speaker for walking without blocking my ears. 

Richard

 

 

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- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


On Mar 21, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com 
<mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Using the Trekz Air which is the newest Aftershokz model. They’re a more 
comfortable fit than the Titanium in that they’re lighter and a little more 
flexible and thus have more give. I’m a 7 and 3/8th hat as a reference point.

Anyway, I use them all day every day. I use a head set for work all day with 
jaws and so I like to give my ears a break whenever I can. I use my Trekz Air 
for audiobook listening, podcasting and general stuff on my iPhone when I’m 
away from my PC. I would consider myself a heavy iPhone user and a charge 
pretty much gets me through the day. 

I also use them when I’m on my treadmill or stationary bike. Convenient in that 
my ears don’t get all hot and I can crank the volume up without feeling 
disorientated. They’re not going to win you any style points though. My wife 
calls my Trekz those trekkie  looking headphones. 

Call quality while ok, it’s probably not going to be able to replace a headset 
meant for talking on the phone full time.

Anyway, I like my Trekz Air for the break they give my eardrumbs and 
convenience. For $150 though, they’re not cheap. 

 

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Subject: Re: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

 

I have used them. I have a somewhat large head, so the Aftershokz were too 
tight and uncomfortable to wear, but the sound quality was good, though I think 
the battery life isn't great. 

You can usually return them within 30 days for a refund.

So, it might be worth trying, if you can be sure you can return them if you 
don't like them.

Some folks on this list love them, but there is nothing better than trying them 
for yourself.

Richard

 

 

“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


On Mar 21, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com 
<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Hello folks,

I wonder if any of you have used bone conduction headsets.  Are they worth 
buying?  I like to know how clear the sound is and how comfortable are they to 
wear.

I do not have any hearing problems, but since I use headsets while I am using 
my computer, my iPad, my iPhone, and even my android tablet, I thought 
protecting my ear drums against potential damage is a good idea. I am also 
thinking that keeping my ear open to know my surrounding while walking in the 
streets and using navigation, a bone conducting headset is theoretically the 
most appropriate.

I am just not sure if it is worth to throw away over 100 bucks to try.  For 
this I hope to get a feedback from those among you who have used them.

 

Regards,

Cris

 

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Re: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

[Kelby Carlson]

There are much, much cheaper bluetooth headphones out there, though 
usually earbud models. From what I have heard of the audio quality, I 
see no good reason to by these. If you want to use something like 
Soundscape (an ostensibly "free" app that will actually cost as much as 
you are willing to pay for headphones) you will need them for the 3D 
audio. I have heard decent things about Aftershokz, but I obtained a 
pair of Sennheiser headphones for half the price (though admittedly not 
bluetooth) so I consider them very much not worth it at this point.



On 3/22/2018 8:07 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:

Good Thursday Morning Cris et al;

Please pardon me for my reply coming somewhat late on this thread.  I 
haven’t read any of the numerous previous responses so if the gist of 
this message is repetitive please pardon me.


I do have a serious hearing issue in my right ear; when I was 16 years 
old I had to have the right basically “gutted” because of a chronic 
ear infection.  The doctor removed those three little bones, the ear 
drum and a bit of other tissue that was infected.  As a result the 
hearing in that ear is very compromised, but it did not affect the 
nerves making bone conduction very effective in giving me very close 
to normal hearing with bone conduction devices.


I do have several such devices including a Bluetooth bone conduction 
headset with a microphone and another bone conduction headset 
deploying a 3/8 MM jack connection.



Both of them afford me excellent stereophonic hearing; in fact the 
first time I used the Bluetooth headset I was amazed to be able to 
hear music in full stereo so well. I will caution you though, if you 
opt for the Bluetooth type of headset the microphone has been fairly 
distorted so using it with my iPhone for telephone calls is somewhat 
“iffy.”  Now, of course, the Bluetooth headphones are about 3 years 
old so possibly this issue has been corrected and perhaps another 
brand would have been better to begin with.


However, the hardwired headset is excellent (in my opinion) for 
listening and conversing.  And it is very useful to be able to walk 
around with the iPhone streamed through the “out of ear” headsets so a 
blind person (as I am) can continue to use hearing for awareness of 
environment.


HTH



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
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- Françoise Sagan, French Novelist, screen Writer & Dramatist, 1935-2004B

On Mar 21, 2018, at 7:47 PM, Cris Ali > wrote:


Hello folks,
I wonder if any of you have used bone conduction headsets.  Are they 
worth buying?  I like to know how clear the sound is and how 
comfortable are they to wear.
I do not have any hearing problems, but since I use headsets while I 
am using my computer, my iPad, my iPhone, and even my android tablet, 
I thought protecting my ear drums against potential damage is a good 
idea. I am also thinking that keeping my ear open to know my 
surrounding while walking in the streets and using navigation, a bone 
conducting headset is theoretically the most appropriate.
I am just not sure if it is worth to throw away over 100 bucks to 
try.  For this I hope to get a feedback from those among you who have 
used them.

Regards,
Cris

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Re: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

[Bill Gallik]

Good Thursday Morning Cris et al;

Please pardon me for my reply coming somewhat late on this thread.  I haven’t 
read any of the numerous previous responses so if the gist of this message is 
repetitive please pardon me.

I do have a serious hearing issue in my right ear; when I was 16 years old I 
had to have the right basically “gutted” because of a chronic ear infection.  
The doctor removed those three little bones, the ear drum and a bit of other 
tissue that was infected.  As a result the hearing in that ear is very 
compromised, but it did not affect the nerves making bone conduction very 
effective in giving me very close to normal hearing with bone conduction 
devices.

I do have several such devices including a Bluetooth bone conduction headset 
with a microphone and another bone conduction headset deploying a 3/8 MM jack 
connection.


Both of them afford me excellent stereophonic hearing; in fact the first time I 
used the Bluetooth headset I was amazed to be able to hear music in full stereo 
so well. I will caution you though, if you opt for the Bluetooth type of 
headset the microphone has been fairly distorted so using it with my iPhone for 
telephone calls is somewhat “iffy.”  Now, of course, the Bluetooth headphones 
are about 3 years old so possibly this issue has been corrected and perhaps 
another brand would have been better to begin with.

However, the hardwired headset is excellent (in my opinion) for listening and 
conversing.  And it is very useful to be able to walk around with the iPhone 
streamed through the “out of ear” headsets so a blind person (as I am) can 
continue to use hearing for awareness of environment.

HTH



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- Françoise Sagan, French Novelist, screen Writer & Dramatist, 1935-2004B

On Mar 21, 2018, at 7:47 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:

Hello folks,
I wonder if any of you have used bone conduction headsets.  Are they worth 
buying?  I like to know how clear the sound is and how comfortable are they to 
wear.
I do not have any hearing problems, but since I use headsets while I am using 
my computer, my iPad, my iPhone, and even my android tablet, I thought 
protecting my ear drums against potential damage is a good idea. I am also 
thinking that keeping my ear open to know my surrounding while walking in the 
streets and using navigation, a bone conducting headset is theoretically the 
most appropriate.
I am just not sure if it is worth to throw away over 100 bucks to try.  For 
this I hope to get a feedback from those among you who have used them.
 
Regards,
Cris
 

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Re: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

[Harry Bell]

I recently had a difficult ear infection in both ears, so AirPods could not be 
used. What a relief to discover I still had my Aftershock Bluez to use! Very 
helpful!
Cheers
Harry

> On 22 Mar 2018, at 01:37, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I have  the older Aftershokz headset. I still use them because I find them 
> super comfortable, and I like the fact they don't block external noise. On 
> the downside, the audio quality isn't great, but more than OK for listening 
> to a screen reader, audio books or podcasts. An audiofile wouldn't be 
> satisfied using this headset to listen to music. There's also some sound 
> bleed, so people around you will hear buzzing or even what you're listening 
> to if you have the volume cranked up. I'd recommend them for the situation 
> where you want to listen to a TTS or voices and you don't want to block 
> exterior noises. I wouldn't recommend them for listening to music. I'm not 
> sure if these somewhat less versatile headphones are worth it for you or not.
> 
>> On 03/21/2018 08:07 PM, Andy Baracco   wrote:
>> I have used the Aftershokz products for a few years. They have steadily 
>> improved in that time, in terms of sound quality and durability. They are 
>> perfect for mobile use, especially while using a GPS navigation app or 
>> something like AIRA. As to whether they are worth the price, that is a 
>> personal decision for each individual dependent on income and priorities.
>>  
>> Andy
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Cris Ali
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 5:47 PM
>> Subject: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?
>> 
>> Hello folks,
>> I wonder if any of you have used bone conduction headsets.  Are they worth 
>> buying?  I like to know how clear the sound is and how comfortable are they 
>> to wear.
>> I do not have any hearing problems, but since I use headsets while I am 
>> using my computer, my iPad, my iPhone, and even my android tablet, I thought 
>> protecting my ear drums against potential damage is a good idea. I am also 
>> thinking that keeping my ear open to know my surrounding while walking in 
>> the streets and using navigation, a bone conducting headset is theoretically 
>> the most appropriate.
>> I am just not sure if it is worth to throw away over 100 bucks to try.  For 
>> this I hope to get a feedback from those among you who have used them.
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Cris
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Re: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

[Richard Turner]

For $179.95 I'll stick with seriously high quality sound over the ear 
headphones and deal with comfort and possibly warm ears and stick with my $20 
wrist speaker for walking without blocking my ears.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Mar 21, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Cristóbal 
<crismuno...@gmail.com<mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Using the Trekz Air which is the newest Aftershokz model. They’re a more 
comfortable fit than the Titanium in that they’re lighter and a little more 
flexible and thus have more give. I’m a 7 and 3/8th hat as a reference point.
Anyway, I use them all day every day. I use a head set for work all day with 
jaws and so I like to give my ears a break whenever I can. I use my Trekz Air 
for audiobook listening, podcasting and general stuff on my iPhone when I’m 
away from my PC. I would consider myself a heavy iPhone user and a charge 
pretty much gets me through the day.
I also use them when I’m on my treadmill or stationary bike. Convenient in that 
my ears don’t get all hot and I can crank the volume up without feeling 
disorientated. They’re not going to win you any style points though. My wife 
calls my Trekz those trekkie  looking headphones.
Call quality while ok, it’s probably not going to be able to replace a headset 
meant for talking on the phone full time.
Anyway, I like my Trekz Air for the break they give my eardrumbs and 
convenience. For $150 though, they’re not cheap.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

I have used them. I have a somewhat large head, so the Aftershokz were too 
tight and uncomfortable to wear, but the sound quality was good, though I think 
the battery life isn't great.
You can usually return them within 30 days for a refund.
So, it might be worth trying, if you can be sure you can return them if you 
don't like them.
Some folks on this list love them, but there is nothing better than trying them 
for yourself.
Richard



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On Mar 21, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Cris Ali 
<filasti...@hotmail.com<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello folks,
I wonder if any of you have used bone conduction headsets.  Are they worth 
buying?  I like to know how clear the sound is and how comfortable are they to 
wear.
I do not have any hearing problems, but since I use headsets while I am using 
my computer, my iPad, my iPhone, and even my android tablet, I thought 
protecting my ear drums against potential damage is a good idea. I am also 
thinking that keeping my ear open to know my surrounding while walking in the 
streets and using navigation, a bone conducting headset is theoretically the 
most appropriate.
I am just not sure if it is worth to throw away over 100 bucks to try.  For 
this I hope to get a feedback from those among you who have used them.

Regards,
Cris

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RE: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

[Cristóbal]

Using the Trekz Air which is the newest Aftershokz model. They’re a more 
comfortable fit than the Titanium in that they’re lighter and a little more 
flexible and thus have more give. I’m a 7 and 3/8th hat as a reference point.

Anyway, I use them all day every day. I use a head set for work all day with 
jaws and so I like to give my ears a break whenever I can. I use my Trekz Air 
for audiobook listening, podcasting and general stuff on my iPhone when I’m 
away from my PC. I would consider myself a heavy iPhone user and a charge 
pretty much gets me through the day. 

I also use them when I’m on my treadmill or stationary bike. Convenient in that 
my ears don’t get all hot and I can crank the volume up without feeling 
disorientated. They’re not going to win you any style points though. My wife 
calls my Trekz those trekkie  looking headphones. 

Call quality while ok, it’s probably not going to be able to replace a headset 
meant for talking on the phone full time.

Anyway, I like my Trekz Air for the break they give my eardrumbs and 
convenience. For $150 though, they’re not cheap. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 6:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

 

I have used them. I have a somewhat large head, so the Aftershokz were too 
tight and uncomfortable to wear, but the sound quality was good, though I think 
the battery life isn't great. 

You can usually return them within 30 days for a refund.

So, it might be worth trying, if you can be sure you can return them if you 
don't like them.

Some folks on this list love them, but there is nothing better than trying them 
for yourself.

Richard

 

 

“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


On Mar 21, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com 
<mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Hello folks,

I wonder if any of you have used bone conduction headsets.  Are they worth 
buying?  I like to know how clear the sound is and how comfortable are they to 
wear.

I do not have any hearing problems, but since I use headsets while I am using 
my computer, my iPad, my iPhone, and even my android tablet, I thought 
protecting my ear drums against potential damage is a good idea. I am also 
thinking that keeping my ear open to know my surrounding while walking in the 
streets and using navigation, a bone conducting headset is theoretically the 
most appropriate.

I am just not sure if it is worth to throw away over 100 bucks to try.  For 
this I hope to get a feedback from those among you who have used them.

 

Regards,

Cris

 

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RE: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

[Cris Ali]

Thanks folks,
I think the Amazon is selling the Bluetooth wireless aftershockz for 111 
Dollars.  I think I will just order them and try them.  If I do not like them I 
will return them back right away.
Cheers,
Cris

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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 9:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Andy Baracco <w...@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?


I have  the older Aftershokz headset. I still use them because I find them 
super comfortable, and I like the fact they don't block external noise. On the 
downside, the audio quality isn't great, but more than OK for listening to a 
screen reader, audio books or podcasts. An audiofile wouldn't be satisfied 
using this headset to listen to music. There's also some sound bleed, so people 
around you will hear buzzing or even what you're listening to if you have the 
volume cranked up. I'd recommend them for the situation where you want to 
listen to a TTS or voices and you don't want to block exterior noises. I 
wouldn't recommend them for listening to music. I'm not sure if these somewhat 
less versatile headphones are worth it for you or not.

On 03/21/2018 08:07 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
I have used the Aftershokz products for a few years. They have steadily 
improved in that time, in terms of sound quality and durability. They are 
perfect for mobile use, especially while using a GPS navigation app or 
something like AIRA. As to whether they are worth the price, that is a personal 
decision for each individual dependent on income and priorities.

Andy

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 5:47 PM
Subject: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

Hello folks,
I wonder if any of you have used bone conduction headsets.  Are they worth 
buying?  I like to know how clear the sound is and how comfortable are they to 
wear.
I do not have any hearing problems, but since I use headsets while I am using 
my computer, my iPad, my iPhone, and even my android tablet, I thought 
protecting my ear drums against potential damage is a good idea. I am also 
thinking that keeping my ear open to know my surrounding while walking in the 
streets and using navigation, a bone conducting headset is theoretically the 
most appropriate.
I am just not sure if it is worth to throw away over 100 bucks to try.  For 
this I hope to get a feedback from those among you who have used them.

Regards,
Cris

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Re: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I have  the older Aftershokz headset. I still use them because I find 
them super comfortable, and I like the fact they don't block external 
noise. On the downside, the audio quality isn't great, but more than OK 
for listening to a screen reader, audio books or podcasts. An audiofile 
wouldn't be satisfied using this headset to listen to music. There's 
also some sound bleed, so people around you will hear buzzing or even 
what you're listening to if you have the volume cranked up. I'd 
recommend them for the situation where you want to listen to a TTS or 
voices and you don't want to block exterior noises. I wouldn't recommend 
them for listening to music. I'm not sure if these somewhat less 
versatile headphones are worth it for you or not.



On 03/21/2018 08:07 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
I have used the Aftershokz products for a few years. They have 
steadily improved in that time, in terms of sound quality and 
durability. They are perfect for mobile use, especially while using a 
GPS navigation app or something like AIRA. As to whether they are 
worth the price, that is a personal decision for each individual 
dependent on income and priorities.

Andy

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*Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2018 5:47 PM
*Subject:* Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

Hello folks,
I wonder if any of you have used bone conduction headsets.  Are
they worth buying?  I like to know how clear the sound is and how
comfortable are they to wear.
I do not have any hearing problems, but since I use headsets while
I am using my computer, my iPad, my iPhone, and even my android
tablet, I thought protecting my ear drums against potential damage
is a good idea. I am also thinking that keeping my ear open to
know my surrounding while walking in the streets and using
navigation, a bone conducting headset is theoretically the most
appropriate.
I am just not sure if it is worth to throw away over 100 bucks to
try.  For this I hope to get a feedback from those among you who
have used them.
Regards,
Cris
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Re: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

[Mike B.]

Hi Cris,

I don't use my AfterShokz for long periods of time, a couple of hours at 
most, but I find them to be very comfortable, excellent sound, & easy to 
use.  I use the Aftershokz Sports M3 Wired Bone Conduction Headphones w/ 
Mic, & I believe they were $50 plus shipping.  These were purchased in 
December of 2016, so the pricing may have changed.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?


I have used the Aftershokz products for a few years. They have steadily 
improved in that time, in terms of sound quality and durability. They are 
perfect for mobile use, especially while using a GPS navigation app or 
something like AIRA. As to whether they are worth the price, that is a 
personal decision for each individual dependent on income and priorities.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
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  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 5:47 PM
  Subject: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?


  Hello folks,
  I wonder if any of you have used bone conduction headsets.  Are they worth 
buying?  I like to know how clear the sound is and how comfortable are they 
to wear.
  I do not have any hearing problems, but since I use headsets while I am 
using my computer, my iPad, my iPhone, and even my android tablet, I thought 
protecting my ear drums against potential damage is a good idea. I am also 
thinking that keeping my ear open to know my surrounding while walking in 
the streets and using navigation, a bone conducting headset is theoretically 
the most appropriate.
  I am just not sure if it is worth to throw away over 100 bucks to try. 
For this I hope to get a feedback from those among you who have used them.

  Regards,
  Cris


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Re: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

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I have used the Aftershokz products for a few years. They have steadily 
improved in that time, in terms of sound quality and durability. They are 
perfect for mobile use, especially while using a GPS navigation app or 
something like AIRA. As to whether they are worth the price, that is a personal 
decision for each individual dependent on income and priorities.

Andy

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  Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 5:47 PM
  Subject: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?


  Hello folks,
  I wonder if any of you have used bone conduction headsets.  Are they worth 
buying?  I like to know how clear the sound is and how comfortable are they to 
wear.
  I do not have any hearing problems, but since I use headsets while I am using 
my computer, my iPad, my iPhone, and even my android tablet, I thought 
protecting my ear drums against potential damage is a good idea. I am also 
thinking that keeping my ear open to know my surrounding while walking in the 
streets and using navigation, a bone conducting headset is theoretically the 
most appropriate.
  I am just not sure if it is worth to throw away over 100 bucks to try.  For 
this I hope to get a feedback from those among you who have used them.

  Regards,
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Re: Bone conduction headsets, Are they worth buying?

[Richard Turner]

I have used them. I have a somewhat large head, so the Aftershokz were too 
tight and uncomfortable to wear, but the sound quality was good, though I think 
the battery life isn't great.
You can usually return them within 30 days for a refund.
So, it might be worth trying, if you can be sure you can return them if you 
don't like them.
Some folks on this list love them, but there is nothing better than trying them 
for yourself.
Richard




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On Mar 21, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Cris Ali 
> wrote:

Hello folks,
I wonder if any of you have used bone conduction headsets.  Are they worth 
buying?  I like to know how clear the sound is and how comfortable are they to 
wear.
I do not have any hearing problems, but since I use headsets while I am using 
my computer, my iPad, my iPhone, and even my android tablet, I thought 
protecting my ear drums against potential damage is a good idea. I am also 
thinking that keeping my ear open to know my surrounding while walking in the 
streets and using navigation, a bone conducting headset is theoretically the 
most appropriate.
I am just not sure if it is worth to throw away over 100 bucks to try.  For 
this I hope to get a feedback from those among you who have used them.

Regards,
Cris


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RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Chris and Karla,

That information helps a lot.
I may have to try them one of these days.
I really like the idea of easily being able to switch between my iPhone and 
iPod Touch.

Thanks,
Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 9:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

I'm a 7 and 3/8 hat and find the Trekz to be more comfortable than the Bluez 
II. 
I mean, they're not a perfect fit per say, but in comparison to the prior 
model, they're much lighter, thinner and  have more give. With the Trekz, I can 
have them on  for extended periods of  time and not  get a headache. The Bluez 
II where terrible at this. Especially if  I tried using them while on the bike 
or elliptical for example.

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Carla Savage
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets

Hi Richard,
They are much more bendy so fit better in my opinion.
Hope this helps,

Carla.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 May 2016, at 2:38 pm, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The previous Aftershokz were too small for my head. Does anyone know if these 
> are any larger or more adjustable than the previous ones?
> Thanks,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  
> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor
> 
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
> 
>> On May 25, 2016, at 3:25 AM, Carla Savage <cokwahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello jr, 
>> Really pleased that you find my podcasts helpful. Yes, it's lovely to be 
>> able to switch from one device to another without disconnecting. If you 
>> listen to one device, just stop it and unlock the other device and the 
>> headphones pick up the audio. Also, if I'm listening to music and my iPhone 
>> rings, the music stops and i can just press the button on the headphones to 
>> answer the call. 
>> Hope this helps, 
>> Carla. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 25 May 2016, at 7:47 am, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow! Thank you Carla for posting this great information. By making the 
>>> purchase of the Aftershokz Trekz, I'll be killing two birds with one stone; 
>>> I can listen to two audio streams at once as well as able to hear the sound 
>>> around me. . 
>>> 
>>> Also, if you're the individual who produces all those great iDevice 
>>> podcasts, thank you for that too since they've helped me out lots. I really 
>>> loved your Dropbox and Mbraille podcasts. 
>>> 
>>> JR
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Carla Savage
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:42 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> I use the Aftershokz Trekz Titanium bluetooth headphones. I know that the 
>>> battery states that you only get 6 hours but in practice, you actually get 
>>> more. There is good stereo sound separation and if you experiment with 
>>> where you place the transducers, you can get a good bass response. Just 
>>> have to get used to the vibration on your face though which will feel 
>>> strange at first. The other point to make about these headphones are that 
>>> they are lighter than the previous model and better made and much more 
>>> jurable. They are also multi-point which is great for listening to two 
>>> devices, in my case, my iPhone and iPod. 
>>> Hope this helps. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 24 May 2016, at 1:35 pm, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Would you by any chance know of a good Bluetooth earpiece with 
>>>> multichannel processing? I would like to use the same Bluetooth device 
>>>> with my iPhone, iPad, and other devices. I don't like that I have to carry 
>>>> around multiple earpieces. Please let me know that what I'm requesting is 
>>>> possible. . 
>>>> 
>>>> JR 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>>&g

RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Cristóbal]

I'm a 7 and 3/8 hat and find the Trekz to be more comfortable than the Bluez 
II. 
I mean, they're not a perfect fit per say, but in comparison to the prior 
model, they're much lighter, thinner and  have more give. With the Trekz, I can 
have them on  for extended periods of  time and not  get a headache. The Bluez 
II where terrible at this. Especially if  I tried using them while on the bike 
or elliptical for example.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carla Savage
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets

Hi Richard,
They are much more bendy so fit better in my opinion.
Hope this helps,

Carla.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 May 2016, at 2:38 pm, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The previous Aftershokz were too small for my head. Does anyone know if these 
> are any larger or more adjustable than the previous ones?
> Thanks,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  
> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor
> 
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
> 
>> On May 25, 2016, at 3:25 AM, Carla Savage <cokwahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello jr, 
>> Really pleased that you find my podcasts helpful. Yes, it's lovely to be 
>> able to switch from one device to another without disconnecting. If you 
>> listen to one device, just stop it and unlock the other device and the 
>> headphones pick up the audio. Also, if I'm listening to music and my iPhone 
>> rings, the music stops and i can just press the button on the headphones to 
>> answer the call. 
>> Hope this helps, 
>> Carla. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 25 May 2016, at 7:47 am, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow! Thank you Carla for posting this great information. By making the 
>>> purchase of the Aftershokz Trekz, I'll be killing two birds with one stone; 
>>> I can listen to two audio streams at once as well as able to hear the sound 
>>> around me. . 
>>> 
>>> Also, if you're the individual who produces all those great iDevice 
>>> podcasts, thank you for that too since they've helped me out lots. I really 
>>> loved your Dropbox and Mbraille podcasts. 
>>> 
>>> JR
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Carla Savage
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:42 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> I use the Aftershokz Trekz Titanium bluetooth headphones. I know that the 
>>> battery states that you only get 6 hours but in practice, you actually get 
>>> more. There is good stereo sound separation and if you experiment with 
>>> where you place the transducers, you can get a good bass response. Just 
>>> have to get used to the vibration on your face though which will feel 
>>> strange at first. The other point to make about these headphones are that 
>>> they are lighter than the previous model and better made and much more 
>>> jurable. They are also multi-point which is great for listening to two 
>>> devices, in my case, my iPhone and iPod. 
>>> Hope this helps. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 24 May 2016, at 1:35 pm, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Would you by any chance know of a good Bluetooth earpiece with 
>>>> multichannel processing? I would like to use the same Bluetooth device 
>>>> with my iPhone, iPad, and other devices. I don't like that I have to carry 
>>>> around multiple earpieces. Please let me know that what I'm requesting is 
>>>> possible. . 
>>>> 
>>>> JR 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:27 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets
>>>> 
>>>> Aftershokz seems to be what people use. I have never tried it, but I doubt 
>>>> it would be satisfactory for music listening.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.c

Re: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Carla Savage]

Hi Richard,
They are much more bendy so fit better in my opinion.
Hope this helps,

Carla.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 May 2016, at 2:38 pm, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The previous Aftershokz were too small for my head. Does anyone know if these 
> are any larger or more adjustable than the previous ones?
> Thanks,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  
> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor
> 
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
> 
>> On May 25, 2016, at 3:25 AM, Carla Savage <cokwahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello jr, 
>> Really pleased that you find my podcasts helpful. Yes, it's lovely to be 
>> able to switch from one device to another without disconnecting. If you 
>> listen to one device, just stop it and unlock the other device and the 
>> headphones pick up the audio. Also, if I'm listening to music and my iPhone 
>> rings, the music stops and i can just press the button on the headphones to 
>> answer the call. 
>> Hope this helps, 
>> Carla. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 25 May 2016, at 7:47 am, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow! Thank you Carla for posting this great information. By making the 
>>> purchase of the Aftershokz Trekz, I'll be killing two birds with one stone; 
>>> I can listen to two audio streams at once as well as able to hear the sound 
>>> around me. . 
>>> 
>>> Also, if you're the individual who produces all those great iDevice 
>>> podcasts, thank you for that too since they've helped me out lots. I really 
>>> loved your Dropbox and Mbraille podcasts. 
>>> 
>>> JR
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Carla Savage
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:42 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> I use the Aftershokz Trekz Titanium bluetooth headphones. I know that the 
>>> battery states that you only get 6 hours but in practice, you actually get 
>>> more. There is good stereo sound separation and if you experiment with 
>>> where you place the transducers, you can get a good bass response. Just 
>>> have to get used to the vibration on your face though which will feel 
>>> strange at first. The other point to make about these headphones are that 
>>> they are lighter than the previous model and better made and much more 
>>> jurable. They are also multi-point which is great for listening to two 
>>> devices, in my case, my iPhone and iPod. 
>>> Hope this helps. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 24 May 2016, at 1:35 pm, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Would you by any chance know of a good Bluetooth earpiece with 
>>>> multichannel processing? I would like to use the same Bluetooth device 
>>>> with my iPhone, iPad, and other devices. I don't like that I have to carry 
>>>> around multiple earpieces. Please let me know that what I'm requesting is 
>>>> possible. . 
>>>> 
>>>> JR 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:27 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets
>>>> 
>>>> Aftershokz seems to be what people use. I have never tried it, but I doubt 
>>>> it would be satisfactory for music listening.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Neil Barnfather
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:44 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets
>>>> 
>>>> Sieghard,
>>>> 
>>>> Sounds really good, I will take a look at their official site, in the 
>>>> interim, any thoughts on presently available hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> Neil Barnfather MBE
>>>> www.NeilBarnfather.com
>>>> Business Consultant & Disability Advocate
>>>> 
>>>> V

RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Multipoint I don't think means you can listen to the audio stream from two 
devices simultaneously. I don't know if you meant that you can hear one in one 
ear and the other in the other ear or that both play at the same time one on 
top of the other, but that is not how this works. It just means you can connect 
multiple devices and they can take turns using the headset.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

Wow! Thank you Carla for posting this great information. By making the purchase 
of the Aftershokz Trekz, I'll be killing two birds with one stone; I can listen 
to two audio streams at once as well as able to hear the sound around me. 
. 

Also, if you're the individual who produces all those great iDevice podcasts, 
thank you for that too since they've helped me out lots. I really loved your 
Dropbox and Mbraille podcasts. 

JR

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carla Savage
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets


Hi, 
I use the Aftershokz Trekz Titanium bluetooth headphones. I know that the 
battery states that you only get 6 hours but in practice, you actually get 
more. There is good stereo sound separation and if you experiment with where 
you place the transducers, you can get a good bass response. Just have to get 
used to the vibration on your face though which will feel strange at first. The 
other point to make about these headphones are that they are lighter than the 
previous model and better made and much more jurable. They are also multi-point 
which is great for listening to two devices, in my case, my iPhone and iPod. 
Hope this helps. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 May 2016, at 1:35 pm, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Would you by any chance know of a good Bluetooth earpiece with multichannel 
> processing? I would like to use the same Bluetooth device with my iPhone, 
> iPad, and other devices. I don't like that I have to carry around multiple 
> earpieces. Please let me know that what I'm requesting is possible. . 
> 
> JR 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets
> 
> Aftershokz seems to be what people use. I have never tried it, but I doubt it 
> would be satisfactory for music listening.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Neil Barnfather
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets
> 
> Sieghard,
> 
> Sounds really good, I will take a look at their official site, in the 
> interim, any thoughts on presently available hardware?
> 
> Neil Barnfather MBE
> www.NeilBarnfather.com
> Business Consultant & Disability Advocate
> 
> Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a 
> selection of business consultancy functions to a complete series of 
> disability advocacy roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most 
> successful disabled entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled 
> spokesperson.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 21 May 2016, at 15:52, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Neil,
>> 
>> If they ever do come out after a wildly successful Kickstarter campagne 
>> almost 3 years ago, the "Soundband" sounds like it is supposed to be much 
>> better than anything on the market.
>> I unfortunately jumped onto that Kickstarter project and paid $125 or 
>> something like that. The company has been behaving very strange in that at 
>> times they provided many updates and at other they haven't. Some think it 
>> was all just a big scam. I am definitely starting to believe it as well 
>> although I still have a small hope that they'll deliver. If you want more 
>> information you can just Google "Soundband", of course this is not of 
>> interest if you want to find something right now. Below is what they wrote 
>> in their last update on December 14, 2015 which was update #76:
>> 
>> Final components arrive. 
>> 
>> Posted by Hybra Advance Technology, Inc. 
>> 
>> Dear Backers,
>> We are pleased to announce the last of the long lead time components have 
>> arrived. The AKM piezo driver reels, an 18 week lead time part, showed-up 
>> Thursday last week. For anyone wh

RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi,

I find my Treks Titanium are more flexible than all the previous models.  They 
are also much lighter.  I have stretched them quite a bit wider than my head 
and found that the pressure did not increase. The band at the back of the head 
is only about one quarter inch wide at most. 
Much better design.  Also, if positioned properly, they offer more bass than 
previous models.
In my opinion, well worth the difference in price.
If I want to listen to music seriously, I use another blue tooth device or 
simply use the ear buds that seem to give me better quality than any blue tooth 
device.

Ron & Danvers
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets

The previous Aftershokz were too small for my head. Does anyone know if these 
are any larger or more adjustable than the previous ones?
Thanks,
Richard



"The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  they 
are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor

(Sent from my iPod 6)

> On May 25, 2016, at 3:25 AM, Carla Savage <cokwahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello jr, 
> Really pleased that you find my podcasts helpful. Yes, it's lovely to be able 
> to switch from one device to another without disconnecting. If you listen to 
> one device, just stop it and unlock the other device and the headphones pick 
> up the audio. Also, if I'm listening to music and my iPhone rings, the music 
> stops and i can just press the button on the headphones to answer the call. 
> Hope this helps, 
> Carla. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 25 May 2016, at 7:47 am, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow! Thank you Carla for posting this great information. By making the 
>> purchase of the Aftershokz Trekz, I'll be killing two birds with one stone; 
>> I can listen to two audio streams at once as well as able to hear the sound 
>> around me. . 
>> 
>> Also, if you're the individual who produces all those great iDevice 
>> podcasts, thank you for that too since they've helped me out lots. I really 
>> loved your Dropbox and Mbraille podcasts. 
>> 
>> JR
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Carla Savage
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:42 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> I use the Aftershokz Trekz Titanium bluetooth headphones. I know that the 
>> battery states that you only get 6 hours but in practice, you actually get 
>> more. There is good stereo sound separation and if you experiment with where 
>> you place the transducers, you can get a good bass response. Just have to 
>> get used to the vibration on your face though which will feel strange at 
>> first. The other point to make about these headphones are that they are 
>> lighter than the previous model and better made and much more jurable. They 
>> are also multi-point which is great for listening to two devices, in my 
>> case, my iPhone and iPod. 
>> Hope this helps. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 24 May 2016, at 1:35 pm, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Would you by any chance know of a good Bluetooth earpiece with multichannel 
>>> processing? I would like to use the same Bluetooth device with my iPhone, 
>>> iPad, and other devices. I don't like that I have to carry around multiple 
>>> earpieces. Please let me know that what I'm requesting is possible. 
>>> . 
>>> 
>>> JR 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:27 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets
>>> 
>>> Aftershokz seems to be what people use. I have never tried it, but I doubt 
>>> it would be satisfactory for music listening.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Neil Barnfather
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:44 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets
>>> 
>>> Sieghard,
>>> 
>>> Sounds really good, I will take a look at their official site, in the 
>>> interim, any thoughts on 

Re: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Richard Turner]

The previous Aftershokz were too small for my head. Does anyone know if these 
are any larger or more adjustable than the previous ones?
Thanks,
Richard



"The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure  they 
are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues." – Elizabeth Taylor

(Sent from my iPod 6)

> On May 25, 2016, at 3:25 AM, Carla Savage <cokwahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello jr, 
> Really pleased that you find my podcasts helpful. Yes, it's lovely to be able 
> to switch from one device to another without disconnecting. If you listen to 
> one device, just stop it and unlock the other device and the headphones pick 
> up the audio. Also, if I'm listening to music and my iPhone rings, the music 
> stops and i can just press the button on the headphones to answer the call. 
> Hope this helps, 
> Carla. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 25 May 2016, at 7:47 am, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow! Thank you Carla for posting this great information. By making the 
>> purchase of the Aftershokz Trekz, I'll be killing two birds with one stone; 
>> I can listen to two audio streams at once as well as able to hear the sound 
>> around me. . 
>> 
>> Also, if you're the individual who produces all those great iDevice 
>> podcasts, thank you for that too since they've helped me out lots. I really 
>> loved your Dropbox and Mbraille podcasts. 
>> 
>> JR
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Carla Savage
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:42 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> I use the Aftershokz Trekz Titanium bluetooth headphones. I know that the 
>> battery states that you only get 6 hours but in practice, you actually get 
>> more. There is good stereo sound separation and if you experiment with where 
>> you place the transducers, you can get a good bass response. Just have to 
>> get used to the vibration on your face though which will feel strange at 
>> first. The other point to make about these headphones are that they are 
>> lighter than the previous model and better made and much more jurable. They 
>> are also multi-point which is great for listening to two devices, in my 
>> case, my iPhone and iPod. 
>> Hope this helps. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 24 May 2016, at 1:35 pm, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Would you by any chance know of a good Bluetooth earpiece with multichannel 
>>> processing? I would like to use the same Bluetooth device with my iPhone, 
>>> iPad, and other devices. I don't like that I have to carry around multiple 
>>> earpieces. Please let me know that what I'm requesting is possible. 
>>> . 
>>> 
>>> JR 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:27 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets
>>> 
>>> Aftershokz seems to be what people use. I have never tried it, but I doubt 
>>> it would be satisfactory for music listening.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Neil Barnfather
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:44 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets
>>> 
>>> Sieghard,
>>> 
>>> Sounds really good, I will take a look at their official site, in the 
>>> interim, any thoughts on presently available hardware?
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather MBE
>>> www.NeilBarnfather.com
>>> Business Consultant & Disability Advocate
>>> 
>>> Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a 
>>> selection of business consultancy functions to a complete series of 
>>> disability advocacy roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most 
>>> successful disabled entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled 
>>> spokesperson.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 21 May 2016, at 15:52, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Neil,
>>>> 
>>>> If they ever do come out after a wildly successful Kickstarter camp

Re: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Carla Savage]

Hello jr, 
Really pleased that you find my podcasts helpful. Yes, it's lovely to be able 
to switch from one device to another without disconnecting. If you listen to 
one device, just stop it and unlock the other device and the headphones pick up 
the audio. Also, if I'm listening to music and my iPhone rings, the music stops 
and i can just press the button on the headphones to answer the call. 
Hope this helps, 
Carla. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 May 2016, at 7:47 am, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wow! Thank you Carla for posting this great information. By making the 
> purchase of the Aftershokz Trekz, I'll be killing two birds with one stone; I 
> can listen to two audio streams at once as well as able to hear the sound 
> around me. . 
> 
> Also, if you're the individual who produces all those great iDevice podcasts, 
> thank you for that too since they've helped me out lots. I really loved your 
> Dropbox and Mbraille podcasts. 
> 
> JR
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Carla Savage
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> I use the Aftershokz Trekz Titanium bluetooth headphones. I know that the 
> battery states that you only get 6 hours but in practice, you actually get 
> more. There is good stereo sound separation and if you experiment with where 
> you place the transducers, you can get a good bass response. Just have to get 
> used to the vibration on your face though which will feel strange at first. 
> The other point to make about these headphones are that they are lighter than 
> the previous model and better made and much more jurable. They are also 
> multi-point which is great for listening to two devices, in my case, my 
> iPhone and iPod. 
> Hope this helps. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 24 May 2016, at 1:35 pm, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Would you by any chance know of a good Bluetooth earpiece with multichannel 
>> processing? I would like to use the same Bluetooth device with my iPhone, 
>> iPad, and other devices. I don't like that I have to carry around multiple 
>> earpieces. Please let me know that what I'm requesting is possible. . 
>> 
>> JR 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:27 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets
>> 
>> Aftershokz seems to be what people use. I have never tried it, but I doubt 
>> it would be satisfactory for music listening.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Neil Barnfather
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:44 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets
>> 
>> Sieghard,
>> 
>> Sounds really good, I will take a look at their official site, in the 
>> interim, any thoughts on presently available hardware?
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather MBE
>> www.NeilBarnfather.com
>> Business Consultant & Disability Advocate
>> 
>> Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a 
>> selection of business consultancy functions to a complete series of 
>> disability advocacy roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most 
>> successful disabled entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled 
>> spokesperson.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21 May 2016, at 15:52, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Neil,
>>> 
>>> If they ever do come out after a wildly successful Kickstarter campagne 
>>> almost 3 years ago, the "Soundband" sounds like it is supposed to be much 
>>> better than anything on the market.
>>> I unfortunately jumped onto that Kickstarter project and paid $125 or 
>>> something like that. The company has been behaving very strange in that at 
>>> times they provided many updates and at other they haven't. Some think it 
>>> was all just a big scam. I am definitely starting to believe it as well 
>>> although I still have a small hope that they'll deliver. If you want more 
>>> information you can just Google "Soundband", of course this is not of 
>>> interest if you want to find something right now. Below is what they wrote 
>>> in their last update on December 14, 2015 which was update #76:

RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Jeremy]

Wow! Thank you Carla for posting this great information. By making the purchase 
of the Aftershokz Trekz, I'll be killing two birds with one stone; I can listen 
to two audio streams at once as well as able to hear the sound around me. 
. 

Also, if you're the individual who produces all those great iDevice podcasts, 
thank you for that too since they've helped me out lots. I really loved your 
Dropbox and Mbraille podcasts. 

JR

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carla Savage
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets


Hi, 
I use the Aftershokz Trekz Titanium bluetooth headphones. I know that the 
battery states that you only get 6 hours but in practice, you actually get 
more. There is good stereo sound separation and if you experiment with where 
you place the transducers, you can get a good bass response. Just have to get 
used to the vibration on your face though which will feel strange at first. The 
other point to make about these headphones are that they are lighter than the 
previous model and better made and much more jurable. They are also multi-point 
which is great for listening to two devices, in my case, my iPhone and iPod. 
Hope this helps. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 May 2016, at 1:35 pm, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Would you by any chance know of a good Bluetooth earpiece with multichannel 
> processing? I would like to use the same Bluetooth device with my iPhone, 
> iPad, and other devices. I don't like that I have to carry around multiple 
> earpieces. Please let me know that what I'm requesting is possible. . 
> 
> JR 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets
> 
> Aftershokz seems to be what people use. I have never tried it, but I doubt it 
> would be satisfactory for music listening.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Neil Barnfather
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets
> 
> Sieghard,
> 
> Sounds really good, I will take a look at their official site, in the 
> interim, any thoughts on presently available hardware?
> 
> Neil Barnfather MBE
> www.NeilBarnfather.com
> Business Consultant & Disability Advocate
> 
> Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a 
> selection of business consultancy functions to a complete series of 
> disability advocacy roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most 
> successful disabled entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled 
> spokesperson.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 21 May 2016, at 15:52, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Neil,
>> 
>> If they ever do come out after a wildly successful Kickstarter campagne 
>> almost 3 years ago, the "Soundband" sounds like it is supposed to be much 
>> better than anything on the market.
>> I unfortunately jumped onto that Kickstarter project and paid $125 or 
>> something like that. The company has been behaving very strange in that at 
>> times they provided many updates and at other they haven't. Some think it 
>> was all just a big scam. I am definitely starting to believe it as well 
>> although I still have a small hope that they'll deliver. If you want more 
>> information you can just Google "Soundband", of course this is not of 
>> interest if you want to find something right now. Below is what they wrote 
>> in their last update on December 14, 2015 which was update #76:
>> 
>> Final components arrive. 
>> 
>> Posted by Hybra Advance Technology, Inc. 
>> 
>> Dear Backers,
>> We are pleased to announce the last of the long lead time components have 
>> arrived. The AKM piezo driver reels, an 18 week lead time part, showed-up 
>> Thursday last week. For anyone who is not familiar with micro-electronic 
>> assembly, in most cases, mass chip placement uses pick and place machines, 
>> to set all the components on a printed circuit board. These pick and place 
>> machines use reels to organize the parts and ensure very high speed loading. 
>> The reels in the photos below contain 3000 piezo driver chips. All the 
>> SoundBand part reels contain between 1500 and 5000 parts.
>> With the drivers and the other parts here, we immediately approved the build 
>> and assembly of 25 completed production grade SoundB

Re: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Carla Savage]

Hi, 
I use the Aftershokz Trekz Titanium bluetooth headphones. I know that the 
battery states that you only get 6 hours but in practice, you actually get 
more. There is good stereo sound separation and if you experiment with where 
you place the transducers, you can get a good bass response. Just have to get 
used to the vibration on your face though which will feel strange at first. The 
other point to make about these headphones are that they are lighter than the 
previous model and better made and much more jurable. They are also multi-point 
which is great for listening to two devices, in my case, my iPhone and iPod. 
Hope this helps. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 May 2016, at 1:35 pm, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Would you by any chance know of a good Bluetooth earpiece with multichannel 
> processing? I would like to use the same Bluetooth device with my iPhone, 
> iPad, and other devices. I don't like that I have to carry around multiple 
> earpieces. Please let me know that what I'm requesting is possible. . 
> 
> JR 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets
> 
> Aftershokz seems to be what people use. I have never tried it, but I doubt it 
> would be satisfactory for music listening.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Neil Barnfather
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets
> 
> Sieghard,
> 
> Sounds really good, I will take a look at their official site, in the 
> interim, any thoughts on presently available hardware?
> 
> Neil Barnfather MBE
> www.NeilBarnfather.com
> Business Consultant & Disability Advocate
> 
> Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a 
> selection of business consultancy functions to a complete series of 
> disability advocacy roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most 
> successful disabled entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled 
> spokesperson.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 21 May 2016, at 15:52, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Neil,
>> 
>> If they ever do come out after a wildly successful Kickstarter campagne 
>> almost 3 years ago, the "Soundband" sounds like it is supposed to be much 
>> better than anything on the market.
>> I unfortunately jumped onto that Kickstarter project and paid $125 or 
>> something like that. The company has been behaving very strange in that at 
>> times they provided many updates and at other they haven't. Some think it 
>> was all just a big scam. I am definitely starting to believe it as well 
>> although I still have a small hope that they'll deliver. If you want more 
>> information you can just Google "Soundband", of course this is not of 
>> interest if you want to find something right now. Below is what they wrote 
>> in their last update on December 14, 2015 which was update #76:
>> 
>> Final components arrive. 
>> 
>> Posted by Hybra Advance Technology, Inc. 
>> 
>> Dear Backers,
>> We are pleased to announce the last of the long lead time components have 
>> arrived. The AKM piezo driver reels, an 18 week lead time part, showed-up 
>> Thursday last week. For anyone who is not familiar with micro-electronic 
>> assembly, in most cases, mass chip placement uses pick and place machines, 
>> to set all the components on a printed circuit board. These pick and place 
>> machines use reels to organize the parts and ensure very high speed loading. 
>> The reels in the photos below contain 3000 piezo driver chips. All the 
>> SoundBand part reels contain between 1500 and 5000 parts.
>> With the drivers and the other parts here, we immediately approved the build 
>> and assembly of 25 completed production grade SoundBands. 
>> Since all of the component procurement/storage, board build, flex strip 
>> build, electrical assembly, electrical component testing, and final 
>> assembly/test is performed at a single site, we can closely monitor all 
>> aspects of the build and minimize defects.
>> From this point forward we will update as important milestones are reached. 
>> In the coming weeks each day will be touch and go, but we hope to steady the 
>> ramp, after the first 25, in quantities of 200 very soon, then increase to 
>> 400 unit batches until all the Kickstarter units are delivered.  We will 
>> kee

RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Cristóbal]

Since I work from home, I mainly use Google Voice through Skype on my PC for 
incoming and outgoing calls. I also use my business cell in conjunction with my 
Voyager edge. The Edge is pared to both my personal and business cell. I've 
never had to manually switch from one device to another for Bluetooth 
connectivity when having both phones connected. I just turn on the Edge and 
it's done automatically. The thing is though, if one iPhone speaks up, then the 
other one is silent and can't be accessed. One Voiceover cuts off the other.
So, because I feel like being geeky, and am at home anyway, I have my Trekz 
headset connected to my personal phone and disconnect it from the Edge and keep 
the business line connected to the Edge. When I'm away from my PC, I'll wear 
both headsets.
This is where I find the bone conduction aspect to come in quite handy as I'm 
able to interact with both phones at the same time without any interference 
from one Voiceover or alert cutting off the audio from the other device. 
I initially bought the Trekz to give my ears a break at the end of the day 
since I'm on the phone or using headphones in one way or another all day be it 
on an iOS device or with jaws on the PC and by the evening, I'm fried and 
don't' want to have over the ear headphones on for leisurely podcast or 
audiobook listening. The bone conduction set gives my ears a break this way and 
I don't have to have my ears covered while walking around the house and have a 
better orientation and spacial awareness than when having my ears covered up. I 
also use the Trekz when I'm on the stationary bike or treadmill,, etc. I hate 
getting hot and sweaty ears with on or over the ear headphones.
When I'm at the PC, I simply disconnect the Trekz from my personal iPhone so I 
can hear whatever alerts come in like emails or texts or what have you. I just 
keep them on my neck for quick access and so i don't forget where they are 
either and enable Bluetooth as needed.
There have been countless times where I'm away from my computer or am on the 
other side of the house or eating or simply vegging out where I can take a 
business call on my Edge and at the same time, consult my calendar or dictate 
information from a vendor into my personal iPhone via the Trekz without my 
customer being any wiser to the fact that I may be chilling in my shorts on the 
couch munching on some chips watching a movie or ball game.
Perhaps it may seem a little over the top to some, but it's really not 
dissimilar to someone using two monitors at their work station for example.
The actual sound for the bone conduction set is perfectly fine. If you're an 
audiophile, then you may have issues with it, but it's not subpar or even poor 
quality. Music listening isn't a bad experience or anything.
Trekz sound, fit and microphone are definitely an upgrade from the Bluez II. As 
much as I tried using that model, I always ended up with a headache. That and 
they broke on me. I did get a warranty replacement, but sold it to get my money 
back.
The Trekz are probably the best right now you're going to find on the market 
for bone conduction style headsets. There are others listed on Amazon, but they 
all seem more or less the same with so so reviews. I've even seen a Panasonic 
bone conduction set on sale every now and then for something like $25.00, but 
who knows what kind of quality you can expect for that price.
Anyway, there's my long winded answer.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

I am not really requiring this feature since I have my iPhone 6S Plus and 
that's it. I have one of my Bluetooth stereo headsets and a speaker paired with 
my Apple TV, but I rarely use it and if I do I just turn Bluetooth off on my 
phone. In fact, mostly Bluetooth on my phone is off unless I do want to use my 
Voyager Edge earpiece or my Outdoor Tech TurtleShell speaker, I prefer to use 
the Apple Earpods unless I really want no cable.
I yet have to find a Bluetooth headset or earpiece I like as much as the 
Earpods.


Regards,
Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

So I wouldn't be able to press a button to instantly switch from Bluetooth 
device to Bluetooth device? Manually disabling then reenabling between devices 
is a bit of a chore. . Is there a specific Bluetooth earpiece with this 
multichannel switching you prefer? 

JR

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

Many of todays Bluetooth earpieces

RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am not really requiring this feature since I have my iPhone 6S Plus and 
that's it. I have one of my Bluetooth stereo headsets and a speaker paired with 
my Apple TV, but I rarely use it and if I do I just turn Bluetooth off on my 
phone. In fact, mostly Bluetooth on my phone is off unless I do want to use my 
Voyager Edge earpiece or my Outdoor Tech TurtleShell speaker, I prefer to use 
the Apple Earpods unless I really want no cable.
I yet have to find a Bluetooth headset or earpiece I like as much as the 
Earpods.


Regards,
Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

So I wouldn't be able to press a button to instantly switch from Bluetooth 
device to Bluetooth device? Manually disabling then reenabling between devices 
is a bit of a chore. . Is there a specific Bluetooth earpiece with this 
multichannel switching you prefer? 

JR

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

Many of todays Bluetooth earpieces allow multiple devices to be paired, of 
course you can only use one at a time and not all of them simultaneously.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

Would you by any chance know of a good Bluetooth earpiece with multichannel 
processing? I would like to use the same Bluetooth device with my iPhone, iPad, 
and other devices. I don't like that I have to carry around multiple earpieces. 
Please let me know that what I'm requesting is possible. . 

JR 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

Aftershokz seems to be what people use. I have never tried it, but I doubt it 
would be satisfactory for music listening.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neil Barnfather
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets

Sieghard,

Sounds really good, I will take a look at their official site, in the interim, 
any thoughts on presently available hardware?

Neil Barnfather MBE
www.NeilBarnfather.com
Business Consultant & Disability Advocate

Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a selection 
of business consultancy functions to a complete series of disability advocacy 
roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most successful disabled 
entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled spokesperson.




> On 21 May 2016, at 15:52, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Neil,
> 
> If they ever do come out after a wildly successful Kickstarter campagne 
> almost 3 years ago, the "Soundband" sounds like it is supposed to be much 
> better than anything on the market.
> I unfortunately jumped onto that Kickstarter project and paid $125 or 
> something like that. The company has been behaving very strange in that at 
> times they provided many updates and at other they haven't. Some think it was 
> all just a big scam. I am definitely starting to believe it as well although 
> I still have a small hope that they'll deliver. If you want more information 
> you can just Google "Soundband", of course this is not of interest if you 
> want to find something right now. Below is what they wrote in their last 
> update on December 14, 2015 which was update #76:
> 
> Final components arrive. 
> 
> Posted by Hybra Advance Technology, Inc. 
> 
> Dear Backers,
> We are pleased to announce the last of the long lead time components have 
> arrived. The AKM piezo driver reels, an 18 week lead time part, showed-up 
> Thursday last week. For anyone who is not familiar with micro-electronic 
> assembly, in most cases, mass chip placement uses pick and place machines, to 
> set all the components on a printed circuit board. These pick and place 
> machines use reels to organize the parts and ensure very high speed loading. 
> The reels in the photos below contain 3000 piezo driver chips. All the 
> SoundBand part reels contain between 1500 and 5000 parts.
> With the drivers and the other parts here, we immediately approved the build 
> and assembly of 25 completed production grade SoundBands. 
> Since all of the component procurement/storage, board build, flex strip 
> build, electrical assembly, electrica

RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Jeremy]

So I wouldn't be able to press a button to instantly switch from Bluetooth 
device to Bluetooth device? Manually disabling then reenabling between devices 
is a bit of a chore. . Is there a specific Bluetooth earpiece with this 
multichannel switching you prefer? 

JR

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

Many of todays Bluetooth earpieces allow multiple devices to be paired, of 
course you can only use one at a time and not all of them simultaneously.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

Would you by any chance know of a good Bluetooth earpiece with multichannel 
processing? I would like to use the same Bluetooth device with my iPhone, iPad, 
and other devices. I don't like that I have to carry around multiple earpieces. 
Please let me know that what I'm requesting is possible. . 

JR 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

Aftershokz seems to be what people use. I have never tried it, but I doubt it 
would be satisfactory for music listening.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neil Barnfather
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets

Sieghard,

Sounds really good, I will take a look at their official site, in the interim, 
any thoughts on presently available hardware?

Neil Barnfather MBE
www.NeilBarnfather.com
Business Consultant & Disability Advocate

Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a selection 
of business consultancy functions to a complete series of disability advocacy 
roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most successful disabled 
entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled spokesperson.




> On 21 May 2016, at 15:52, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Neil,
> 
> If they ever do come out after a wildly successful Kickstarter campagne 
> almost 3 years ago, the "Soundband" sounds like it is supposed to be much 
> better than anything on the market.
> I unfortunately jumped onto that Kickstarter project and paid $125 or 
> something like that. The company has been behaving very strange in that at 
> times they provided many updates and at other they haven't. Some think it was 
> all just a big scam. I am definitely starting to believe it as well although 
> I still have a small hope that they'll deliver. If you want more information 
> you can just Google "Soundband", of course this is not of interest if you 
> want to find something right now. Below is what they wrote in their last 
> update on December 14, 2015 which was update #76:
> 
> Final components arrive. 
> 
> Posted by Hybra Advance Technology, Inc. 
> 
> Dear Backers,
> We are pleased to announce the last of the long lead time components have 
> arrived. The AKM piezo driver reels, an 18 week lead time part, showed-up 
> Thursday last week. For anyone who is not familiar with micro-electronic 
> assembly, in most cases, mass chip placement uses pick and place machines, to 
> set all the components on a printed circuit board. These pick and place 
> machines use reels to organize the parts and ensure very high speed loading. 
> The reels in the photos below contain 3000 piezo driver chips. All the 
> SoundBand part reels contain between 1500 and 5000 parts.
> With the drivers and the other parts here, we immediately approved the build 
> and assembly of 25 completed production grade SoundBands. 
> Since all of the component procurement/storage, board build, flex strip 
> build, electrical assembly, electrical component testing, and final 
> assembly/test is performed at a single site, we can closely monitor all 
> aspects of the build and minimize defects.
> From this point forward we will update as important milestones are reached. 
> In the coming weeks each day will be touch and go, but we hope to steady the 
> ramp, after the first 25, in quantities of 200 very soon, then increase to 
> 400 unit batches until all the Kickstarter units are delivered.  We will keep 
> everyone informed at each step and continue to provide high quality images of 
> the process.
> Also please keep a look-out for a new survey that will help us verify the 
> finish color you want.
> As always, we thank everyone for your continued interest 

RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Many of todays Bluetooth earpieces allow multiple devices to be paired, of 
course you can only use one at a time and not all of them simultaneously.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

Would you by any chance know of a good Bluetooth earpiece with multichannel 
processing? I would like to use the same Bluetooth device with my iPhone, iPad, 
and other devices. I don't like that I have to carry around multiple earpieces. 
Please let me know that what I'm requesting is possible. . 

JR 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

Aftershokz seems to be what people use. I have never tried it, but I doubt it 
would be satisfactory for music listening.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neil Barnfather
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets

Sieghard,

Sounds really good, I will take a look at their official site, in the interim, 
any thoughts on presently available hardware?

Neil Barnfather MBE
www.NeilBarnfather.com
Business Consultant & Disability Advocate

Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a selection 
of business consultancy functions to a complete series of disability advocacy 
roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most successful disabled 
entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled spokesperson.




> On 21 May 2016, at 15:52, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Neil,
> 
> If they ever do come out after a wildly successful Kickstarter campagne 
> almost 3 years ago, the "Soundband" sounds like it is supposed to be much 
> better than anything on the market.
> I unfortunately jumped onto that Kickstarter project and paid $125 or 
> something like that. The company has been behaving very strange in that at 
> times they provided many updates and at other they haven't. Some think it was 
> all just a big scam. I am definitely starting to believe it as well although 
> I still have a small hope that they'll deliver. If you want more information 
> you can just Google "Soundband", of course this is not of interest if you 
> want to find something right now. Below is what they wrote in their last 
> update on December 14, 2015 which was update #76:
> 
> Final components arrive. 
> 
> Posted by Hybra Advance Technology, Inc. 
> 
> Dear Backers,
> We are pleased to announce the last of the long lead time components have 
> arrived. The AKM piezo driver reels, an 18 week lead time part, showed-up 
> Thursday last week. For anyone who is not familiar with micro-electronic 
> assembly, in most cases, mass chip placement uses pick and place machines, to 
> set all the components on a printed circuit board. These pick and place 
> machines use reels to organize the parts and ensure very high speed loading. 
> The reels in the photos below contain 3000 piezo driver chips. All the 
> SoundBand part reels contain between 1500 and 5000 parts.
> With the drivers and the other parts here, we immediately approved the build 
> and assembly of 25 completed production grade SoundBands. 
> Since all of the component procurement/storage, board build, flex strip 
> build, electrical assembly, electrical component testing, and final 
> assembly/test is performed at a single site, we can closely monitor all 
> aspects of the build and minimize defects.
> From this point forward we will update as important milestones are reached. 
> In the coming weeks each day will be touch and go, but we hope to steady the 
> ramp, after the first 25, in quantities of 200 very soon, then increase to 
> 400 unit batches until all the Kickstarter units are delivered.  We will keep 
> everyone informed at each step and continue to provide high quality images of 
> the process.
> Also please keep a look-out for a new survey that will help us verify the 
> finish color you want.
> As always, we thank everyone for your continued interest and support. 
> Sincerely, we look forward to delivering your reward as soon as possible.
> 
> Very Best,
> Hybra 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Neil Barnfather
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 5:47 AM
> To: 'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Bone Conduction Headsets
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Just looking for some recommendations for bone c

RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Jeremy]

Would you by any chance know of a good Bluetooth earpiece with multichannel 
processing? I would like to use the same Bluetooth device with my iPhone, iPad, 
and other devices. I don't like that I have to carry around multiple earpieces. 
Please let me know that what I'm requesting is possible. . 

JR 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

Aftershokz seems to be what people use. I have never tried it, but I doubt it 
would be satisfactory for music listening.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neil Barnfather
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets

Sieghard,

Sounds really good, I will take a look at their official site, in the interim, 
any thoughts on presently available hardware?

Neil Barnfather MBE
www.NeilBarnfather.com
Business Consultant & Disability Advocate

Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a selection 
of business consultancy functions to a complete series of disability advocacy 
roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most successful disabled 
entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled spokesperson.




> On 21 May 2016, at 15:52, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Neil,
> 
> If they ever do come out after a wildly successful Kickstarter campagne 
> almost 3 years ago, the "Soundband" sounds like it is supposed to be much 
> better than anything on the market.
> I unfortunately jumped onto that Kickstarter project and paid $125 or 
> something like that. The company has been behaving very strange in that at 
> times they provided many updates and at other they haven't. Some think it was 
> all just a big scam. I am definitely starting to believe it as well although 
> I still have a small hope that they'll deliver. If you want more information 
> you can just Google "Soundband", of course this is not of interest if you 
> want to find something right now. Below is what they wrote in their last 
> update on December 14, 2015 which was update #76:
> 
> Final components arrive. 
> 
> Posted by Hybra Advance Technology, Inc. 
> 
> Dear Backers,
> We are pleased to announce the last of the long lead time components have 
> arrived. The AKM piezo driver reels, an 18 week lead time part, showed-up 
> Thursday last week. For anyone who is not familiar with micro-electronic 
> assembly, in most cases, mass chip placement uses pick and place machines, to 
> set all the components on a printed circuit board. These pick and place 
> machines use reels to organize the parts and ensure very high speed loading. 
> The reels in the photos below contain 3000 piezo driver chips. All the 
> SoundBand part reels contain between 1500 and 5000 parts.
> With the drivers and the other parts here, we immediately approved the build 
> and assembly of 25 completed production grade SoundBands. 
> Since all of the component procurement/storage, board build, flex strip 
> build, electrical assembly, electrical component testing, and final 
> assembly/test is performed at a single site, we can closely monitor all 
> aspects of the build and minimize defects.
> From this point forward we will update as important milestones are reached. 
> In the coming weeks each day will be touch and go, but we hope to steady the 
> ramp, after the first 25, in quantities of 200 very soon, then increase to 
> 400 unit batches until all the Kickstarter units are delivered.  We will keep 
> everyone informed at each step and continue to provide high quality images of 
> the process.
> Also please keep a look-out for a new survey that will help us verify the 
> finish color you want.
> As always, we thank everyone for your continued interest and support. 
> Sincerely, we look forward to delivering your reward as soon as possible.
> 
> Very Best,
> Hybra 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Neil Barnfather
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 5:47 AM
> To: 'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Bone Conduction Headsets
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Just looking for some recommendations for bone conduction headsets, needs to 
> be stereo, I’m not convinced about blue tooth, as to me, the battery 
> limitations are just to many presently. I’m primarily wanting to listen to 
> music, so, sound quality, given the technological restraints aside, I’m 
> looking for the best that the platform can offer.
> 
> What do people make, The Aftersh

RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Aftershokz seems to be what people use. I have never tried it, but I doubt it 
would be satisfactory for music listening.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neil Barnfather
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 3:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bone Conduction Headsets

Sieghard,

Sounds really good, I will take a look at their official site, in the interim, 
any thoughts on presently available hardware?

Neil Barnfather MBE
www.NeilBarnfather.com
Business Consultant & Disability Advocate

Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a selection 
of business consultancy functions to a complete series of disability advocacy 
roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most successful disabled 
entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled spokesperson.




> On 21 May 2016, at 15:52, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Neil,
> 
> If they ever do come out after a wildly successful Kickstarter campagne 
> almost 3 years ago, the "Soundband" sounds like it is supposed to be much 
> better than anything on the market.
> I unfortunately jumped onto that Kickstarter project and paid $125 or 
> something like that. The company has been behaving very strange in that at 
> times they provided many updates and at other they haven't. Some think it was 
> all just a big scam. I am definitely starting to believe it as well although 
> I still have a small hope that they'll deliver. If you want more information 
> you can just Google "Soundband", of course this is not of interest if you 
> want to find something right now. Below is what they wrote in their last 
> update on December 14, 2015 which was update #76:
> 
> Final components arrive. 
> 
> Posted by Hybra Advance Technology, Inc. 
> 
> Dear Backers,
> We are pleased to announce the last of the long lead time components have 
> arrived. The AKM piezo driver reels, an 18 week lead time part, showed-up 
> Thursday last week. For anyone who is not familiar with micro-electronic 
> assembly, in most cases, mass chip placement uses pick and place machines, to 
> set all the components on a printed circuit board. These pick and place 
> machines use reels to organize the parts and ensure very high speed loading. 
> The reels in the photos below contain 3000 piezo driver chips. All the 
> SoundBand part reels contain between 1500 and 5000 parts.
> With the drivers and the other parts here, we immediately approved the build 
> and assembly of 25 completed production grade SoundBands. 
> Since all of the component procurement/storage, board build, flex strip 
> build, electrical assembly, electrical component testing, and final 
> assembly/test is performed at a single site, we can closely monitor all 
> aspects of the build and minimize defects.
> From this point forward we will update as important milestones are reached. 
> In the coming weeks each day will be touch and go, but we hope to steady the 
> ramp, after the first 25, in quantities of 200 very soon, then increase to 
> 400 unit batches until all the Kickstarter units are delivered.  We will keep 
> everyone informed at each step and continue to provide high quality images of 
> the process.
> Also please keep a look-out for a new survey that will help us verify the 
> finish color you want.
> As always, we thank everyone for your continued interest and support. 
> Sincerely, we look forward to delivering your reward as soon as possible.
> 
> Very Best,
> Hybra 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Neil Barnfather
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 5:47 AM
> To: 'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Bone Conduction Headsets
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Just looking for some recommendations for bone conduction headsets, needs to 
> be stereo, I’m not convinced about blue tooth, as to me, the battery 
> limitations are just to many presently. I’m primarily wanting to listen to 
> music, so, sound quality, given the technological restraints aside, I’m 
> looking for the best that the platform can offer.
> 
> What do people make, The Aftershokz Trekz look good, and, specifically talk 
> about music quality, but, they are bluetooth with a 6 hour limitation.
> 
> Thanks for thoughts and suggestions.
> 
> Neil Barnfather MBE
> www.NeilBarnfather.com
> Business Consultant & Disability Advocate
> 
> Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a 
> selection of business consultancy functions to a complete series of 
> disability advocacy roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most 
> succes

Re: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Neil Barnfather]

Sieghard,

Sounds really good, I will take a look at their official site, in the interim, 
any thoughts on presently available hardware?

Neil Barnfather MBE
www.NeilBarnfather.com
Business Consultant & Disability Advocate

Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a selection 
of business consultancy functions to a complete series of disability advocacy 
roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most successful disabled 
entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled spokesperson.




> On 21 May 2016, at 15:52, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Neil,
> 
> If they ever do come out after a wildly successful Kickstarter campagne 
> almost 3 years ago, the "Soundband" sounds like it is supposed to be much 
> better than anything on the market.
> I unfortunately jumped onto that Kickstarter project and paid $125 or 
> something like that. The company has been behaving very strange in that at 
> times they provided many updates and at other they haven't. Some think it was 
> all just a big scam. I am definitely starting to believe it as well although 
> I still have a small hope that they'll deliver. If you want more information 
> you can just Google "Soundband", of course this is not of interest if you 
> want to find something right now. Below is what they wrote in their last 
> update on December 14, 2015 which was update #76:
> 
> Final components arrive. 
> 
> Posted by Hybra Advance Technology, Inc. 
> 
> Dear Backers,
> We are pleased to announce the last of the long lead time components have 
> arrived. The AKM piezo driver reels, an 18 week lead time part, showed-up 
> Thursday last week. For anyone who is not familiar with micro-electronic 
> assembly, in most cases, mass chip placement uses pick and place machines, to 
> set all the components on a printed circuit board. These pick and place 
> machines use reels to organize the parts and ensure very high speed loading. 
> The reels in the photos below contain 3000 piezo driver chips. All the 
> SoundBand part reels contain between 1500 and 5000 parts.
> With the drivers and the other parts here, we immediately approved the build 
> and assembly of 25 completed production grade SoundBands. 
> Since all of the component procurement/storage, board build, flex strip 
> build, electrical assembly, electrical component testing, and final 
> assembly/test is performed at a single site, we can closely monitor all 
> aspects of the build and minimize defects.
> From this point forward we will update as important milestones are reached. 
> In the coming weeks each day will be touch and go, but we hope to steady the 
> ramp, after the first 25, in quantities of 200 very soon, then increase to 
> 400 unit batches until all the Kickstarter units are delivered.  We will keep 
> everyone informed at each step and continue to provide high quality images of 
> the process.
> Also please keep a look-out for a new survey that will help us verify the 
> finish color you want.
> As always, we thank everyone for your continued interest and support. 
> Sincerely, we look forward to delivering your reward as soon as possible.
> 
> Very Best,
> Hybra 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Neil Barnfather
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 5:47 AM
> To: 'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Bone Conduction Headsets
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Just looking for some recommendations for bone conduction headsets, needs to 
> be stereo, I’m not convinced about blue tooth, as to me, the battery 
> limitations are just to many presently. I’m primarily wanting to listen to 
> music, so, sound quality, given the technological restraints aside, I’m 
> looking for the best that the platform can offer.
> 
> What do people make, The Aftershokz Trekz look good, and, specifically talk 
> about music quality, but, they are bluetooth with a 6 hour limitation.
> 
> Thanks for thoughts and suggestions.
> 
> Neil Barnfather MBE
> www.NeilBarnfather.com
> Business Consultant & Disability Advocate
> 
> Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a 
> selection of business consultancy functions to a complete series of 
> disability advocacy roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most 
> successful disabled entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled 
> spokesperson.
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Bone Conduction Headsets

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Neil,

If they ever do come out after a wildly successful Kickstarter campagne almost 
3 years ago, the "Soundband" sounds like it is supposed to be much better than 
anything on the market.
I unfortunately jumped onto that Kickstarter project and paid $125 or something 
like that. The company has been behaving very strange in that at times they 
provided many updates and at other they haven't. Some think it was all just a 
big scam. I am definitely starting to believe it as well although I still have 
a small hope that they'll deliver. If you want more information you can just 
Google "Soundband", of course this is not of interest if you want to find 
something right now. Below is what they wrote in their last update on December 
14, 2015 which was update #76:

Final components arrive. 

Posted by Hybra Advance Technology, Inc. 

Dear Backers,
We are pleased to announce the last of the long lead time components have 
arrived. The AKM piezo driver reels, an 18 week lead time part, showed-up 
Thursday last week. For anyone who is not familiar with micro-electronic 
assembly, in most cases, mass chip placement uses pick and place machines, to 
set all the components on a printed circuit board. These pick and place 
machines use reels to organize the parts and ensure very high speed loading. 
The reels in the photos below contain 3000 piezo driver chips. All the 
SoundBand part reels contain between 1500 and 5000 parts.
With the drivers and the other parts here, we immediately approved the build 
and assembly of 25 completed production grade SoundBands. 
Since all of the component procurement/storage, board build, flex strip build, 
electrical assembly, electrical component testing, and final assembly/test is 
performed at a single site, we can closely monitor all aspects of the build and 
minimize defects.
>From this point forward we will update as important milestones are reached. In 
>the coming weeks each day will be touch and go, but we hope to steady the 
>ramp, after the first 25, in quantities of 200 very soon, then increase to 400 
>unit batches until all the Kickstarter units are delivered.  We will keep 
>everyone informed at each step and continue to provide high quality images of 
>the process.
Also please keep a look-out for a new survey that will help us verify the 
finish color you want.
As always, we thank everyone for your continued interest and support. 
Sincerely, we look forward to delivering your reward as soon as possible.

Very Best,
Hybra 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Neil Barnfather
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 5:47 AM
To: 'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone 
Subject: Bone Conduction Headsets

Hi All,

Just looking for some recommendations for bone conduction headsets, needs to be 
stereo, I’m not convinced about blue tooth, as to me, the battery limitations 
are just to many presently. I’m primarily wanting to listen to music, so, sound 
quality, given the technological restraints aside, I’m looking for the best 
that the platform can offer.

What do people make, The Aftershokz Trekz look good, and, specifically talk 
about music quality, but, they are bluetooth with a 6 hour limitation.

Thanks for thoughts and suggestions.

Neil Barnfather MBE
www.NeilBarnfather.com
Business Consultant & Disability Advocate

Visit my web-site to learn more about my range of services covering a selection 
of business consultancy functions to a complete series of disability advocacy 
roles. All delivered personally by one of the UK’s most successful disabled 
entrepreneurs and established, recognised disabled spokesperson.




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