RE: BrailleTouch finger placement
Yolanda, when I first started with this app I also had my fingers too low on the phone. Move them up almost to where you think you're going to drop the phone and you'll be right (grin!) This is one of the many reasons why I wonder if the position of the dots on the keyboard could be more like a typical Perkins and it would be easier to type with the phone on a flat surface. While doable, the recommended position is awkward and, I fear, in some places, unusable. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrailleTouch Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 4:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Yolanda, Thanks for downloading BrailleTouch. When you type a C with two index fingers, that would be dots 1 and 4. You said BrailleTouch sees a colon, which is dots 2 and 5. This means you could try moving your hands up the screen a little. When you type a B, which is dots 1 and 2, you said BrailleTouch sees a semicolon, which is dots 2 and 3. This means the same thing. Please try to move your left hand up the screen a little. I would suggest trying to find the four corners. Type an A (dot 1, left index), then an apostrophe (dot 3, left ring), then an at-sign (dot 4, right index), then a capital sign (dot 6, right ring). Please try moving your hand position around on each of these characters in the four corners, and then going back and forth between them. This might help you to find where the dots are on the touchscreen. I hope this helps! Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 3:30 PM, Yolanda wrote: I am still having problems-obviously with placement. When I press my two index fingers at the same time I am told it is a colon. Left index and middle is a semicolon. What am I doing inaccurately? If one dream should fall and break into a thousand pieces, never be afraid to pick one of those pieces up and begin again. -Flavia Weedn From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrailleTouch Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch mailto:viph...@brailletouchapp.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks
RE: BrailleTouch finger placement
I do think if I could use the phone on a flat surface it might be easier for me. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: BrailleTouch finger placement Yolanda, when I first started with this app I also had my fingers too low on the phone. Move them up almost to where you think you're going to drop the phone and you'll be right (grin!) This is one of the many reasons why I wonder if the position of the dots on the keyboard could be more like a typical Perkins and it would be easier to type with the phone on a flat surface. While doable, the recommended position is awkward and, I fear, in some places, unusable. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrailleTouch Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 4:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Yolanda, Thanks for downloading BrailleTouch. When you type a C with two index fingers, that would be dots 1 and 4. You said BrailleTouch sees a colon, which is dots 2 and 5. This means you could try moving your hands up the screen a little. When you type a B, which is dots 1 and 2, you said BrailleTouch sees a semicolon, which is dots 2 and 3. This means the same thing. Please try to move your left hand up the screen a little. I would suggest trying to find the four corners. Type an A (dot 1, left index), then an apostrophe (dot 3, left ring), then an at-sign (dot 4, right index), then a capital sign (dot 6, right ring). Please try moving your hand position around on each of these characters in the four corners, and then going back and forth between them. This might help you to find where the dots are on the touchscreen. I hope this helps! Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 3:30 PM, Yolanda wrote: I am still having problems-obviously with placement. When I press my two index fingers at the same time I am told it is a colon. Left index and middle is a semicolon. What am I doing inaccurately? If one dream should fall and break into a thousand pieces, never be afraid to pick one of those pieces up and begin again. -Flavia Weedn From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrailleTouch Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch mailto:viph...@brailletouchapp.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy
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If you buy a case for iPhone, like the Griffin Survivor, you will find that the outer surface have a material that will get better grip. It will also feel much bettr for your hands. If you have avelage woman have average woman hands. If you have small woman hands, i don't know if it will feel good. A case with good grip and feel. Take care Den 3. feb. 2013 kl. 17:13 skrev CD cd5...@gmail.com: I do think if I could use the phone on a flat surface it might be easier for me. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: BrailleTouch finger placement Yolanda, when I first started with this app I also had my fingers too low on the phone. Move them up almost to where you think you’re going to drop the phone and you’ll be right (grin!) This is one of the many reasons why I wonder if the position of the dots on the keyboard could be more like a typical Perkins and it would be easier to type with the phone on a flat surface. While doable, the recommended position is awkward and, I fear, in some places, unusable. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrailleTouch Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 4:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Yolanda, Thanks for downloading BrailleTouch. When you type a C with two index fingers, that would be dots 1 and 4. You said BrailleTouch sees a colon, which is dots 2 and 5. This means you could try moving your hands up the screen a little. When you type a B, which is dots 1 and 2, you said BrailleTouch sees a semicolon, which is dots 2 and 3. This means the same thing. Please try to move your left hand up the screen a little. I would suggest trying to find the four corners. Type an A (dot 1, left index), then an apostrophe (dot 3, left ring), then an at-sign (dot 4, right index), then a capital sign (dot 6, right ring). Please try moving your hand position around on each of these characters in the four corners, and then going back and forth between them. This might help you to find where the dots are on the touchscreen. I hope this helps! Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 3:30 PM, Yolanda wrote: I am still having problems—obviously with placement. When I press my two index fingers at the same time I am told it is a colon. Left index and middle is a semicolon. What am I doing inaccurately? “If one dream should fall and break into a thousand pieces, never be afraid to pick one of those pieces up and begin again.” –Flavia Weedn From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrailleTouch Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger
Re: BrailleTouch finger placement
Excellent idea, I'll go with that; the help could also have the available symbol list as an appendix too. I had to discover some of the more obscure characters by playing. Rh. - Original Message - From: Lauren Simmons simmonslaure...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:20 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement It sounds to me that a practice mode should be introduced in a future update. This would be similar to pressing Insert + 1 on jaws and Window Eyes. The new user can practice finger placement and typing out the alphabet and punctuation marks until he or she gets the hang of it. The practice mode can then throw random letters and punctuation marks at the user and assess competency. If the practice mode can be turned on and off quickly the user can also use this to remind him or her of the location of little used buttons or commands. After getting past the first 4 tutorial screens I had absolutely no problems repeatedly typing out the alphabet--oh, except for typing the letter H which caused nme to drop my iPod. Seems like lots of work will have to go into writing the Practice mode program, but its just a suggestion. (Smile). LS - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch viph...@brailletouchapp.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Yolanda, Thanks for downloading BrailleTouch. When you type a C with two index fingers, that would be dots 1 and 4. You said BrailleTouch sees a colon, which is dots 2 and 5. This means you could try moving your hands up the screen a little. When you type a B, which is dots 1 and 2, you said BrailleTouch sees a semicolon, which is dots 2 and 3. This means the same thing. Please try to move your left hand up the screen a little. I would suggest trying to find the four corners. Type an A (dot 1, left index), then an apostrophe (dot 3, left ring), then an at-sign (dot 4, right index), then a capital sign (dot 6, right ring). Please try moving your hand position around on each of these characters in the four corners, and then going back and forth between them. This might help you to find where the dots are on the touchscreen. I hope this helps! Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 3:30 PM, Yolanda wrote: I am still having problems---obviously with placement. When I press my two index fingers at the same time I am told it is a colon. Left index and middle is a semicolon. What am I doing inaccurately? If one dream should fall and break into a thousand pieces, never be afraid to pick one of those pieces up and begin again. --Flavia Weedn *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *BrailleTouch *Sent:* Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:50 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - *From:*BrailleTouch mailto:viph...@brailletouchapp.com *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM *Subject:*Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go
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I have it running on a 3GS, but that is slower to do anything, so not significantly slower doing bT than responding to my navigation around the screen. Rh. - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 2:29 AM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Considering that it is going on with more than one app, and considering that the two reported apps are memory / processor intensive, I am willing to bet the sluggishness has more to do with older iDevices. IPhone 5 has 1 GB RAM and an A6 processor. IPhone 4S has 512 MB RAM and an A5 processor, whilst iPhone 4 has 256 MB RAM and a slower processor than the 4S. There was a drastic difference in speed, and much less delays when I upgraded to an iPhone 5. This is all expected behaviour and happens with computers as well. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 13:05, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote: Cheryl, You are correcT. When I go intoBraille Touch, and begin to type, the letters are read back to me very delayed. Caleb told me to turn Vo ofF and back on just as I must do in Fleksy. Hoping one of these developers will come up with a fix as it is a workaround but would be better if not necessary. I still wonder if it has something to do with upgrading over the air. Reggie and Brooks On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: I never turn off vo before I start typing. I think maybe some people are having sluggishness problesms and that's why they are doing it but I never do. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote: Intteresting that for one person something works, but for the next, not so much! I cannot be comfortable with the phone on a table, but lying on my chest with my fingers as Braille Touch explains, I am getting faster and faster. Guess that is the beauty of us all being different. Now if I could only stop the necessity of turning off VO off and on! Will do it as I love the app, but I wish I 'didN't have to do this before I start to type! Reggie and Brooks On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this. I have my phone lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch. It will still take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have to, so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk or if I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap. Tom - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard,first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ringfinger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until
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My only problem that I'm having is trying to hold the phone and type with BrailleTouch at the same time it is a work around to this with my hands that would be great Sent from my iPhone On 02/02/2013, at 2:10 PM, BrailleTouch viph...@brailletouchapp.com wrote: Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks, RobH. - Original Message - From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Sorry Jen, I misspoke. I am not touching the all caps with my little finger but my ring finger. I am holding the phone with the screen away from me and my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape. What I need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the screen to be able to touch the dots. Are they right above the home button on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they further into the screen? Reggie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennie Facer Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Hi, First of all, you don't hold your phone flat down on the table. Act as if you were going to take a picture of yourself with the back camera. now, put your palms on each end of the phone. now rest your fingers vertically on the screen. dots 1, 2, and 3 are your left. Dots 4, 5, and 6 are your right. I hope this makes some sense. Your hands have to be at each end of the screen. Write me off list if I can be of more helpp. Jenn Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks, RobH. - Original Message - From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Sorry Jen, I misspoke. I am not touching the all caps with my little finger but my ring finger. I am holding the phone with the screen away from me and my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape. What I need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the screen to be able to touch the dots. Are they right above the home button on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they further into the screen? Reggie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennie Facer Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Hi, First of all, you don't hold your phone flat down on the table. Act as if you were going to take a picture of yourself with the back camera. now, put your palms on each end of the phone. now rest your fingers vertically on the screen. dots 1, 2, and 3 are your left. Dots 4, 5, and 6 are your right. I hope this makes some sense. Your hands have to be at each end of the screen. Write me off list if I can be of more helpp. Jenn Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post
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What should be done is no matter where u put your fingures u still should be able to type the braille letters. The current version is that your fingures have to be exactly at the correct position. I had trouble finding the letter t. thanks On 2/2/13, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks, RobH. - Original Message - From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Sorry Jen, I misspoke. I am not touching the all caps with my little finger but my ring finger. I am holding the phone with the screen away from me and my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape. What I need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the screen to be able to touch the dots. Are they right above the home button on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they further into the screen? Reggie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennie Facer Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Hi, First of all, you don't hold your phone flat down on the table. Act as if you were going to take a picture of yourself with the back camera. now, put your palms on each end of the phone. now rest your fingers vertically on the screen. dots 1, 2, and 3 are your left. Dots 4, 5, and 6 are your right. I hope this makes some sense. Your hands have to be at each end of the screen. Write me off list if I can be of more helpp. Jenn Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group
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Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - *From:* BrailleTouch mailto:viph...@brailletouchapp.com *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM *Subject:* Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks, RobH. - Original Message - From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Sorry Jen, I misspoke. I am not touching the all caps with my little finger but my ring finger. I am holding the phone with the screen away from me and my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape. What I need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the screen to be able to touch the dots. Are they right above the home button on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they further into the screen? Reggie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennie Facer Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Hi, First of all, you don't hold your phone flat down on the table. Act as if you were going to take a picture of yourself with the back camera. now, put your palms on each end of the phone. now rest your fingers vertically on the screen. dots 1, 2, and 3 are your left. Dots 4, 5, and 6 are your right. I hope this makes some sense. Your hands have to be at each end of the screen. Write me off list if I can be of more helpp. Jenn Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
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Hi, Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this. I have my phone lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch. It will still take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have to, so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk or if I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap. Tom - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks, RobH. - Original Message - From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Sorry Jen, I misspoke. I am not touching the all caps with my little finger but my ring finger. I am holding the phone with the screen away from me and my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape. What I need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the screen to be able to touch the dots. Are they right above the home button on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they further into the screen? Reggie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennie Facer Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Hi, First of all, you
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Okay, while I am typing fine when holding the phone, I don't think I am understanding the V position for typing on a table. How do you do this without having to turn both hands awkwardly in order to put them on the phone in the right position? I know I just must not be conceptualizing it correctly. Thanks. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Feb 2, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this. I have my phone lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch. It will still take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have to, so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk or if I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap. Tom - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks, RobH. - Original Message - From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Sorry Jen, I misspoke. I am not touching the all caps with my little finger but my ring finger. I am holding the phone with the screen away from me and my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape. What I need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the screen to be able to touch the dots. Are they right above the home button on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they further into the screen? Reggie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I am still having problems-obviously with placement. When I press my two index fingers at the same time I am told it is a colon. Left index and middle is a semicolon. What am I doing inaccurately? If one dream should fall and break into a thousand pieces, never be afraid to pick one of those pieces up and begin again. -Flavia Weedn From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrailleTouch Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch mailto:viph...@brailletouchapp.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks, RobH. - Original Message - From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Sorry Jen, I misspoke. I am not touching the all caps with my little finger but my ring finger. I am holding the phone with the screen away from me and my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape. What I need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the screen to be able to touch the dots. Are they right above the home button on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they further into the screen? Reggie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennie Facer Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Hi, First of all, you don't hold your phone flat down on the table. Act as if you were going to take a picture of yourself with the back camera. now, put your palms on each end of the phone. now rest your fingers vertically on the screen. dots 1, 2, and 3 are your left. Dots 4, 5, and 6 are your right. I hope this makes some sense. Your hands have to be at each end of the screen. Write me off list if I can be of more helpp. Jenn Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail
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Hi Yolanda, Thanks for downloading BrailleTouch. When you type a C with two index fingers, that would be dots 1 and 4. You said BrailleTouch sees a colon, which is dots 2 and 5. This means you could try moving your hands up the screen a little. When you type a B, which is dots 1 and 2, you said BrailleTouch sees a semicolon, which is dots 2 and 3. This means the same thing. Please try to move your left hand up the screen a little. I would suggest trying to find the four corners. Type an A (dot 1, left index), then an apostrophe (dot 3, left ring), then an at-sign (dot 4, right index), then a capital sign (dot 6, right ring). Please try moving your hand position around on each of these characters in the four corners, and then going back and forth between them. This might help you to find where the dots are on the touchscreen. I hope this helps! Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 3:30 PM, Yolanda wrote: I am still having problems---obviously with placement. When I press my two index fingers at the same time I am told it is a colon. Left index and middle is a semicolon. What am I doing inaccurately? If one dream should fall and break into a thousand pieces, never be afraid to pick one of those pieces up and begin again. --Flavia Weedn *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *BrailleTouch *Sent:* Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:50 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - *From:*BrailleTouch mailto:viph...@brailletouchapp.com *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM *Subject:*Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks, RobH. - Original Message - From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com To: viphone
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Intteresting that for one person something works, but for the next, not so much! I cannot be comfortable with the phone on a table, but lying on my chest with my fingers as Braille Touch explains, I am getting faster and faster. Guess that is the beauty of us all being different. Now if I could only stop the necessity of turning off VO off and on! Will do it as I love the app, but I wish I 'didN't have to do this before I start to type! Reggie and Brooks On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this. I have my phone lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch. It will still take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have to, so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk or if I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap. Tom - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49AM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know ifthis is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-signand the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks, RobH. - Original Message - From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Sorry Jen, I misspoke. I am nottouching the all caps with my little finger but my ring finger. I am holding the phone with the screen away from me and my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape. What I need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the screen to be able to touch the dots. Are they right above the home button on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they further into the screen? Reggie
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Braille Touch works quite well for typing with VO on. No reason to turn VO off. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 11:34, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote: Intteresting that for one person something works, but for the next, not so much! I cannot be comfortable with the phone on a table, but lying on my chest with my fingers as Braille Touch explains, I am getting faster and faster. Guess that is the beauty of us all being different. Now if I could only stop the necessity of turning off VO off and on! Will do it as I love the app, but I wish I 'didN't have to do this before I start to type! Reggie and Brooks On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this. I have my phone lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch. It will still take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have to, so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk or if I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap. Tom - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks, RobH. - Original Message - From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Sorry Jen, I misspoke. I am not touching the all caps with my little finger but my ring finger. I am holding the phone with the screen away from me and my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape. What I need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my Braille key fingers from the sides
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I never turn off vo before I start typing. I think maybe some people are having sluggishness problesms and that's why they are doing it but I never do. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote: Intteresting that for one person something works, but for the next, not so much! I cannot be comfortable with the phone on a table, but lying on my chest with my fingers as Braille Touch explains, I am getting faster and faster. Guess that is the beauty of us all being different. Now if I could only stop the necessity of turning off VO off and on! Will do it as I love the app, but I wish I 'didN't have to do this before I start to type! Reggie and Brooks On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this. I have my phone lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch. It will still take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have to, so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk or if I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap. Tom - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks, RobH. - Original Message - From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Sorry Jen, I misspoke. I am not touching the all caps with my little finger but my ring finger. I am holding the phone with the screen away from me and my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape. What I
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Cheryl, You are correcT. When I go intoBraille Touch, and begin to type, the letters are read back to me very delayed. Caleb told me to turn Vo ofF and back on just as I must do in Fleksy. Hoping one of these developers will come up with a fix as it is a workaround but would be better if not necessary. I still wonder if it has something to do with upgrading over the air. Reggie and Brooks On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: I never turn off vo before I start typing. I think maybe some people are having sluggishness problesms and that's why they are doing it but I never do. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote: Intteresting that for one person something works, but for the next, not so much! I cannot be comfortable with the phone on a table, but lying on my chest with my fingers as Braille Touch explains, I am getting faster and faster. Guess that is the beauty of us all being different. Now if I could only stop the necessity of turning off VO off and on! Will do it as I love the app, but I wish I 'didN't have to do this before I start to type! Reggie and Brooks On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this. I have my phone lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch. It will still take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have to, so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk or if I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap. Tom - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works foryou. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users andpeople having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with yourright index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down
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Considering that it is going on with more than one app, and considering that the two reported apps are memory / processor intensive, I am willing to bet the sluggishness has more to do with older iDevices. IPhone 5 has 1 GB RAM and an A6 processor. IPhone 4S has 512 MB RAM and an A5 processor, whilst iPhone 4 has 256 MB RAM and a slower processor than the 4S. There was a drastic difference in speed, and much less delays when I upgraded to an iPhone 5. This is all expected behaviour and happens with computers as well. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 03/02/2013, at 13:05, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote: Cheryl, You are correcT. When I go intoBraille Touch, and begin to type, the letters are read back to me very delayed. Caleb told me to turn Vo ofF and back on just as I must do in Fleksy. Hoping one of these developers will come up with a fix as it is a workaround but would be better if not necessary. I still wonder if it has something to do with upgrading over the air. Reggie and Brooks On Feb 2, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: I never turn off vo before I start typing. I think maybe some people are having sluggishness problesms and that's why they are doing it but I never do. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Feb 2, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote: Intteresting that for one person something works, but for the next, not so much! I cannot be comfortable with the phone on a table, but lying on my chest with my fingers as Braille Touch explains, I am getting faster and faster. Guess that is the beauty of us all being different. Now if I could only stop the necessity of turning off VO off and on! Will do it as I love the app, but I wish I 'didN't have to do this before I start to type! Reggie and Brooks On Feb 2, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this. I have my phone lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch. It will still take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have to, so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk or if I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap. Tom - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard,first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ringfinger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone untilyou find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and theapostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your rightring finger
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It sounds to me that a practice mode should be introduced in a future update. This would be similar to pressing Insert + 1 on jaws and Window Eyes. The new user can practice finger placement and typing out the alphabet and punctuation marks until he or she gets the hang of it. The practice mode can then throw random letters and punctuation marks at the user and assess competency. If the practice mode can be turned on and off quickly the user can also use this to remind him or her of the location of little used buttons or commands. After getting past the first 4 tutorial screens I had absolutely no problems repeatedly typing out the alphabet--oh, except for typing the letter H which caused nme to drop my iPod. Seems like lots of work will have to go into writing the Practice mode program, but its just a suggestion. (Smile). LS - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch viph...@brailletouchapp.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Yolanda, Thanks for downloading BrailleTouch. When you type a C with two index fingers, that would be dots 1 and 4. You said BrailleTouch sees a colon, which is dots 2 and 5. This means you could try moving your hands up the screen a little. When you type a B, which is dots 1 and 2, you said BrailleTouch sees a semicolon, which is dots 2 and 3. This means the same thing. Please try to move your left hand up the screen a little. I would suggest trying to find the four corners. Type an A (dot 1, left index), then an apostrophe (dot 3, left ring), then an at-sign (dot 4, right index), then a capital sign (dot 6, right ring). Please try moving your hand position around on each of these characters in the four corners, and then going back and forth between them. This might help you to find where the dots are on the touchscreen. I hope this helps! Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 3:30 PM, Yolanda wrote: I am still having problems---obviously with placement. When I press my two index fingers at the same time I am told it is a colon. Left index and middle is a semicolon. What am I doing inaccurately? If one dream should fall and break into a thousand pieces, never be afraid to pick one of those pieces up and begin again. --Flavia Weedn *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *BrailleTouch *Sent:* Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:50 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - *From:*BrailleTouch mailto:viph...@brailletouchapp.com *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM *Subject:*Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back
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Place the phone on the table in front of you. Now place your fingers on the phone's touch screen. You should notice how the shape of all 4 fingers on each hand kind of forms a V or think of it as a sea gull. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: Cheryl Homiak To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Okay, while I am typing fine when holding the phone, I don't think I am understanding the V position for typing on a table. How do you do this without having to turn both hands awkwardly in order to put them on the phone in the right position? I know I just must not be conceptualizing it correctly. Thanks. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Feb 2, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes, I've just confirmed that you can definitely do this. I have my phone lying flat on my computer desk with the home buttton to the right and just used a v-shaped finger arrangement to type with Braille Touch. It will still take some getting used to, as you do need to be careful about finger placement, but that v-shaped arrangement is an option if you don't want to hold the phone. I personally don't want to hold the phone if I don't have to, so this arrangement could work out well if the phone is lying on a desk or if I'm sitting with the phone resting in my lap. Tom - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Alan, It is not documented, but you can put your iPhone on a table and type with BrailleTouch sort of like on a Perkins, but with your fingers in the shape of a letter V. Several people have discovered this. Please try it and see if it works for you. Best, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/2/2013 9:34 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote: Caleb, perhaps an alternative keyboard should be added. My experience is, if I hold my iPhone higher about face high, my fingers get the correct dots most of the time but after awhile, holding the phone that gets tiring. How about using the phone on a table-top with the screen facing up and the fingers forming a letter V. The index fingers of both hands in the bottom center of the screen and the remaining fingers forming the rest of the V. Perhaps it could be called table top move and the normal way, hand-held. - Original Message - From: BrailleTouch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: Re: BrailleTouch finger placement Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks, RobH
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Hi Rob and everyone, I'd like to try a suggestion for finding a good finger placement with BrailleTouch for new users and people having trouble with certain characters. Please let me know if this is helpful. When you open the touchscreen braille keyboard, first try to find the four corners of the touchscreen. Let's assume you have not flipped the dots in the Settings. First, type dot 1 for the letter A with your left index finger. Move your finger toward the corner of the iPhone until you find the limits of the touch sensitive area of the screen. Then type an apostrophe with your left ring finger, dot 3. Move this finger toward that corner of the iPhone until you find the limits. Now go back and forth with the letter A and the apostrophe until you have comfortably and reliably located your left hand. Next, do the same thing with your right hand. Start with your right index finger on dot 4 for the at-sign. Then locate your right ring finger on dot 6 for the capital sign. Then check both the at-sign and the capital sign back and forth until you've found a good position for your right hand. I am curious to know if this is helpful for anyone who is new to BrailleTouch or anyone who is having trouble getting certain characters to work. Please let me know. Thanks, Caleb http://brailletouchapp.com/ On 2/1/2013 3:04 PM, RobH! wrote: I think they're about half inch in, but there's some slack so absolute accuracy isn't critical; but can't afford to stray out of the area. I'd like our favourite producer adviser to give some idea of dimensions so we might get a better idea of finger spacing; I think that could betray us. Can one be too far up or down towards an edge and miss that button? Thanks, RobH. - Original Message - From: Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Sorry Jen, I misspoke. I am not touching the all caps with my little finger but my ring finger. I am holding the phone with the screen away from me and my thumbs on top and little fingers holding the bottom in landscape. What I need to know, or perhaps this is just more practice, is how far do I put my Braille key fingers from the sides (top and bottom in portrait) into the screen to be able to touch the dots. Are they right above the home button on the right and just below the ear slit on the left or are they further into the screen? Reggie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennie Facer Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems with BRAILLETOUCH Hi, First of all, you don't hold your phone flat down on the table. Act as if you were going to take a picture of yourself with the back camera. now, put your palms on each end of the phone. now rest your fingers vertically on the screen. dots 1, 2, and 3 are your left. Dots 4, 5, and 6 are your right. I hope this makes some sense. Your hands have to be at each end of the screen. Write me off list if I can be of more helpp. Jenn Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
