Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
Hello Joseph, Richard's correct here. A Microsoft account can be created with your existing email address if that's what the user desires. It's not necessary to create an outlook.com http://outlook.com/ or live.com http://live.com/ address if you're happy with the email service you have. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 8/11/2014, at 3:52 pm, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
That was not my point. You're responding to Richard's post and not my original post--richard also didn't read my post carefully. Joseph - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Hello Joseph, Richard's correct here. A Microsoft account can be created with your existing email address if that's what the user desires. It's not necessary to create an outlook.com http://outlook.com/ or live.com http://live.com/ address if you're happy with the email service you have. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 8/11/2014, at 3:52 pm, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
Hi Joseph, I have your original message here, and I'm going to quote from it directly. It says: You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com http://live.com/ or @outlook.com http://outlook.com/. Both Richard and I have pointed out, for those who may wish to take advantage of what Microsoft is offering, that a Microsoft Account email address need not be provided by Microsoft itself. It can be any old email address. This will give you full access to office 365 if you've subscribed, or the basic service if you have not. Whether the address is @live.com http://live.com/, mosen.org http://mosen.org/ or something else is absolutely irrelevant. I make this point because I want to assure the list that there is no need to create yet another email address just to take advantage of these apps, and hope that helps someone. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 11/11/2014, at 7:15 am, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: That was not my point. You're responding to Richard's post and not my original post--richard also didn't read my post carefully. Joseph - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Hello Joseph, Richard's correct here. A Microsoft account can be created with your existing email address if that's what the user desires. It's not necessary to create an outlook.com http://outlook.com/ or live.com http://live.com/ address if you're happy with the email service you have. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 8/11/2014, at 3:52 pm, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
You did not quote the rest of the email message where it all comes together. Regardless, you guys win, I just want to move on. Sorry, but I won't be replying anymore. Joseph - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Hi Joseph, I have your original message here, and I'm going to quote from it directly. It says: You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com http://live.com/ or @outlook.com http://outlook.com/. Both Richard and I have pointed out, for those who may wish to take advantage of what Microsoft is offering, that a Microsoft Account email address need not be provided by Microsoft itself. It can be any old email address. This will give you full access to office 365 if you've subscribed, or the basic service if you have not. Whether the address is @live.com http://live.com/, mosen.org http://mosen.org/ or something else is absolutely irrelevant. I make this point because I want to assure the list that there is no need to create yet another email address just to take advantage of these apps, and hope that helps someone. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 11/11/2014, at 7:15 am, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: That was not my point. You're responding to Richard's post and not my original post--richard also didn't read my post carefully. Joseph - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Hello Joseph, Richard's correct here. A Microsoft account can be created with your existing email address if that's what the user desires. It's not necessary to create an outlook.com http://outlook.com/ or live.com http://live.com/ address if you're happy with the email service you have. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 8/11/2014, at 3:52 pm, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
Hi Grant and all, There is a command in iOS 8 for hearing text formatting on a braille display - Space with dots 2-3-4-5-6. This works in Notepad. I haven't tried it in other apps though. But at least they're working on a way to speak format info. Best, Anna On Nov 9, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@outlook.com wrote: The fact that text formatting is not indicated in speech or Braille is a VoiceOver limitation. In Mac OS X, there is a VoiceOver command to speak the text attributes at your current cursor location, and there are also other commands involving text attributes built into VoiceOver. iOS doesn't support any of this functionality yet, which is a limitation for other apps as well as Microsot Word. That said, it's obvious that Microsoft is beginning to give thought to the accessibility of its software for iOS, and I really appreciate that. Microsoft Word is unfortunately not that accessible beyond basic text editing, in my experience. For example, there is no way I have found with VO to work with tables, as you can in Apple's Pages app. However, the other apps in the Office suite are definitely worth a look. Excel seems to be the most accessible app, though I haven't played with it extensively. PowerPoint also seems to have some accessibility built in both for presenting slide shows and editing presentations; however, in my experience it simply crashes too much to be usable. This is on an iPhone 5S with iOS 8.1. Grant Sent from mobile On Nov 7, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote: If you do use any of the formatting, it is not indicated in speech. And you can only move by characters, words or headings. Not lines. I agree totally that we'll never get the same experience as sighted users, my co-workers love their Word for Ipad. But having full navigation and access to the results of formatting would make a difference at least. I would just be very caucious to describe it as accessible. It may be all we can get given the OS etc. but I just wouldn't describe it as accessible. On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The problem might be one of users asking too much of the form factor. Small apps such as what Microsoft is offering on the iPhone and such are not meant to be full Microsoft Office replacements no matter how hard blind people try to make them behave in this manner. these small apps might result in a more productive experience for the sighted user, but this is because the iPhone and such devices are designed for the sighted world, so when you read about these apps anywhere other than these blind-centric lists, the apps boast lots because sighted people can for the most part be much more productive not having to swipe their fingers to the bone trying to find each icon or control on the screen--they just scan the screen with their eyes and tap. Smile. What do you feel can be done to improve the current accessibility or ease of use? Joseph - Original Message - From: Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Well it doesn't look like accessibility has improved at all. Almost impossible to edit a document even with a keyboard. Nice that you can do basic editing without subscribing but I don't really think it's very useable yet frankly. Still pretty disappointing sadly. On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
Hello, This command speaks only very limited formatting information, and does not seem to work anywhere outside of the Notes app. Nevertheless, this is an interesting find which I'll admit I was unaware of. Grant Sent from mobile On Nov 10, 2014, at 12:40 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Grant and all, There is a command in iOS 8 for hearing text formatting on a braille display - Space with dots 2-3-4-5-6. This works in Notepad. I haven't tried it in other apps though. But at least they're working on a way to speak format info. Best, Anna On Nov 9, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Grant Hardy grantha...@outlook.com wrote: The fact that text formatting is not indicated in speech or Braille is a VoiceOver limitation. In Mac OS X, there is a VoiceOver command to speak the text attributes at your current cursor location, and there are also other commands involving text attributes built into VoiceOver. iOS doesn't support any of this functionality yet, which is a limitation for other apps as well as Microsot Word. That said, it's obvious that Microsoft is beginning to give thought to the accessibility of its software for iOS, and I really appreciate that. Microsoft Word is unfortunately not that accessible beyond basic text editing, in my experience. For example, there is no way I have found with VO to work with tables, as you can in Apple's Pages app. However, the other apps in the Office suite are definitely worth a look. Excel seems to be the most accessible app, though I haven't played with it extensively. PowerPoint also seems to have some accessibility built in both for presenting slide shows and editing presentations; however, in my experience it simply crashes too much to be usable. This is on an iPhone 5S with iOS 8.1. Grant Sent from mobile On Nov 7, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote: If you do use any of the formatting, it is not indicated in speech. And you can only move by characters, words or headings. Not lines. I agree totally that we'll never get the same experience as sighted users, my co-workers love their Word for Ipad. But having full navigation and access to the results of formatting would make a difference at least. I would just be very caucious to describe it as accessible. It may be all we can get given the OS etc. but I just wouldn't describe it as accessible. On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The problem might be one of users asking too much of the form factor. Small apps such as what Microsoft is offering on the iPhone and such are not meant to be full Microsoft Office replacements no matter how hard blind people try to make them behave in this manner. these small apps might result in a more productive experience for the sighted user, but this is because the iPhone and such devices are designed for the sighted world, so when you read about these apps anywhere other than these blind-centric lists, the apps boast lots because sighted people can for the most part be much more productive not having to swipe their fingers to the bone trying to find each icon or control on the screen--they just scan the screen with their eyes and tap. Smile. What do you feel can be done to improve the current accessibility or ease of use? Joseph - Original Message - From: Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Well it doesn't look like accessibility has improved at all. Almost impossible to edit a document even with a keyboard. Nice that you can do basic editing without subscribing but I don't really think it's very useable yet frankly. Still pretty disappointing sadly. On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked
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Hi Joseph. Please consider this a public warning to be careful how and what you write to others on this list. Further issues like this will result in your posting privileges being revoked for this list. Thanks, and have a nice day. -- Raul A. Gallegos Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 11/10/2014 12:15 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote: That was not my point. You're responding to Richard's post and not my original post--richard also didn't read my post carefully. Joseph - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Hello Joseph, Richard's correct here. A Microsoft account can be created with your existing email address if that's what the user desires. It's not necessary to create an outlook.com http://outlook.com/ or live.com http://live.com/ address if you're happy with the email service you have. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 8/11/2014, at 3:52 pm, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
The fact that text formatting is not indicated in speech or Braille is a VoiceOver limitation. In Mac OS X, there is a VoiceOver command to speak the text attributes at your current cursor location, and there are also other commands involving text attributes built into VoiceOver. iOS doesn't support any of this functionality yet, which is a limitation for other apps as well as Microsot Word. That said, it's obvious that Microsoft is beginning to give thought to the accessibility of its software for iOS, and I really appreciate that. Microsoft Word is unfortunately not that accessible beyond basic text editing, in my experience. For example, there is no way I have found with VO to work with tables, as you can in Apple's Pages app. However, the other apps in the Office suite are definitely worth a look. Excel seems to be the most accessible app, though I haven't played with it extensively. PowerPoint also seems to have some accessibility built in both for presenting slide shows and editing presentations; however, in my experience it simply crashes too much to be usable. This is on an iPhone 5S with iOS 8.1. Grant Sent from mobile On Nov 7, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote: If you do use any of the formatting, it is not indicated in speech. And you can only move by characters, words or headings. Not lines. I agree totally that we'll never get the same experience as sighted users, my co-workers love their Word for Ipad. But having full navigation and access to the results of formatting would make a difference at least. I would just be very caucious to describe it as accessible. It may be all we can get given the OS etc. but I just wouldn't describe it as accessible. On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The problem might be one of users asking too much of the form factor. Small apps such as what Microsoft is offering on the iPhone and such are not meant to be full Microsoft Office replacements no matter how hard blind people try to make them behave in this manner. these small apps might result in a more productive experience for the sighted user, but this is because the iPhone and such devices are designed for the sighted world, so when you read about these apps anywhere other than these blind-centric lists, the apps boast lots because sighted people can for the most part be much more productive not having to swipe their fingers to the bone trying to find each icon or control on the screen--they just scan the screen with their eyes and tap. Smile. What do you feel can be done to improve the current accessibility or ease of use? Joseph - Original Message - From: Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Well it doesn't look like accessibility has improved at all. Almost impossible to edit a document even with a keyboard. Nice that you can do basic editing without subscribing but I don't really think it's very useable yet frankly. Still pretty disappointing sadly. On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
This is true, but the same can be said for any main stream computer application. I still remember the time when GUI's were considered to be an insurmountable barrier to the blind since they were designed for the sighted who could scan the screen and easily find an icon with the mouse. Ditto when people just assumed the touch screen would never be usable by the blind. Apple did design and operating system and screen reader that demonstrated the blind could use a touch screen and could use it very efficiently. A small form factor may not lend itself to word processing as much as a desktop form factor does, but I don't see why this would be any different for the blind than it is for the sighted. In fact, I think the small form factor may force a cleaner less cluttered interface which may even mean a more even playing field for the blind, as we see with so many other mobile apps already. I'm pretty confident there are some smart software engineers out there who will come up with some pretty innovative ideas on how to make these office suites accessible to the blind on the mobile form factor, just as they figured out how the blind could use the GUI and the touch screen. I for one am not going to just assume that it's an impossible task and we'll be left out of efficiently using these apps on our smart phones and tablets. On 11/07/2014 09:11 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote: The problem might be one of users asking too much of the form factor. Small apps such as what Microsoft is offering on the iPhone and such are not meant to be full Microsoft Office replacements no matter how hard blind people try to make them behave in this manner. these small apps might result in a more productive experience for the sighted user, but this is because the iPhone and such devices are designed for the sighted world, so when you read about these apps anywhere other than these blind-centric lists, the apps boast lots because sighted people can for the most part be much more productive not having to swipe their fingers to the bone trying to find each icon or control on the screen--they just scan the screen with their eyes and tap. Smile. What do you feel can be done to improve the current accessibility or ease of use? Joseph - Original Message - From: Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Well it doesn't look like accessibility has improved at all. Almost impossible to edit a document even with a keyboard. Nice that you can do basic editing without subscribing but I don't really think it's very useable yet frankly. Still pretty disappointing sadly. On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list
RE: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with Voiceover
As someone who depends daily on Word and Excel 2013 or 365 since I have the yearly subscription, I am hoping that Microsoft continues to develop these apps with V O as so far I am enjoying having both of them on my 5S. I have not had a chance to use PowerPoint as of yet but I am hoping that will also be a success. And I go back to 1984 with the Apple 2E and I can remember a year or so later when the first mouse driven word processor came out. I paid $150 for my first mouse and had to install a card inside the machine just to use the mouse. Most reviewers came right out and said no one in their right minds would use a word processor that would cause someone to take their hands off of the keyboard in order to click a mouse, laughs! Of course that was ten years before bill Gates took over the world. Or the world ended I'm not quite sure yet. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
Richard, I was just playing with a document in the Word app and I had lines available for navigation in my rotor. I selected it and it seemed to work as expected. I also tried the Reflow option which was the next to last button on the right of the top line menu and liked the way reading worked in this view. It's opposite is Print layout view I believe. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:03 AM To: ViPone list Subject: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver I've played a little more with Word on the iPhone. It seems to be pretty accessible with Word and syncs with Dropbox and OneDrive. My one big complaint is that you cannot navigate by lines. In the rotor, you have characters, words, headings. This is whether you are in edit mode or not. And with or without a Bluetooth keyboard. You can just use the up and down arrow keys if you are on a Bluetooth keyboard, but I have not spent enough time with it to know if there is a point when you arrow yourself out of the edit field. This seems like a good start to having better Word access on the go. My other complaint is that when creating a new document, if you pick the take notes template, there is a lot of non-English words that you cannot delete, which makes it pretty much useless. The blank document is fine. I have not tried the other templates they offer. Since the basic features are free, I encourage folks to give it a try. You do have to have or create a free Microsoft account to use the app. You can create one from within the app if you don't have one. Also, if you simply search for Word in the app store, it is the first result. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
Were you in edit mode or just reading the document? I guess I will need to keep playing. Richard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 9:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Richard, I was just playing with a document in the Word app and I had lines available for navigation in my rotor. I selected it and it seemed to work as expected. I also tried the Reflow option which was the next to last button on the right of the top line menu and liked the way reading worked in this view. It's opposite is Print layout view I believe. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:03 AM To: ViPone list Subject: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver I’ve played a little more with Word on the iPhone. It seems to be pretty accessible with Word and syncs with Dropbox and OneDrive. My one big complaint is that you cannot navigate by lines. In the rotor, you have characters, words, headings… This is whether you are in edit mode or not. And with or without a Bluetooth keyboard. You can just use the up and down arrow keys if you are on a Bluetooth keyboard, but I have not spent enough time with it to know if there is a point when you arrow yourself out of the edit field. This seems like a good start to having better Word access on the go. My other complaint is that when creating a new document, if you pick the take notes template, there is a lot of non-English words that you cannot delete, which makes it pretty much useless. The blank document is fine. I have not tried the other templates they offer. Since the basic features are free, I encourage folks to give it a try. You do have to have or create a free Microsoft account to use the app. You can create one from within the app if you don’t have one. Also, if you simply search for “Word” in the app store, it is the first result. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
I guess I need to also keep playing with it since I have no clue which mode I was in. I believe editing controls were available on the toolbar for whatever that's worth. Alan Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote: Were you in edit mode or just reading the document? I guess I will need to keep playing. Richard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 9:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Richard, I was just playing with a document in the Word app and I had lines available for navigation in my rotor. I selected it and it seemed to work as expected. I also tried the Reflow option which was the next to last button on the right of the top line menu and liked the way reading worked in this view. It's opposite is Print layout view I believe. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:03 AM To: ViPone list Subject: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver I’ve played a little more with Word on the iPhone. It seems to be pretty accessible with Word and syncs with Dropbox and OneDrive. My one big complaint is that you cannot navigate by lines. In the rotor, you have characters, words, headings… This is whether you are in edit mode or not. And with or without a Bluetooth keyboard. You can just use the up and down arrow keys if you are on a Bluetooth keyboard, but I have not spent enough time with it to know if there is a point when you arrow yourself out of the edit field. This seems like a good start to having better Word access on the go. My other complaint is that when creating a new document, if you pick the take notes template, there is a lot of non-English words that you cannot delete, which makes it pretty much useless. The blank document is fine. I have not tried the other templates they offer. Since the basic features are free, I encourage folks to give it a try. You do have to have or create a free Microsoft account to use the app. You can create one from within the app if you don’t have one. Also, if you simply search for “Word” in the app store, it is the first result. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
So, when this was only available for the Ipad you had to have a Live365 subscription to edit documents. Is this no longer required? My employer has a Live365 account but it only allows us to use the nasty web ersions of Office so was no good to me for the Ipad version of word. On 11/7/14, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: I guess I need to also keep playing with it since I have no clue which mode I was in. I believe editing controls were available on the toolbar for whatever that's worth. Alan Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote: Were you in edit mode or just reading the document? I guess I will need to keep playing. Richard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 9:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Richard, I was just playing with a document in the Word app and I had lines available for navigation in my rotor. I selected it and it seemed to work as expected. I also tried the Reflow option which was the next to last button on the right of the top line menu and liked the way reading worked in this view. It's opposite is Print layout view I believe. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:03 AM To: ViPone list Subject: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver I've played a little more with Word on the iPhone. It seems to be pretty accessible with Word and syncs with Dropbox and OneDrive. My one big complaint is that you cannot navigate by lines. In the rotor, you have characters, words, headings... This is whether you are in edit mode or not. And with or without a Bluetooth keyboard. You can just use the up and down arrow keys if you are on a Bluetooth keyboard, but I have not spent enough time with it to know if there is a point when you arrow yourself out of the edit field. This seems like a good start to having better Word access on the go. My other complaint is that when creating a new document, if you pick the take notes template, there is a lot of non-English words that you cannot delete, which makes it pretty much useless. The blank document is fine. I have not tried the other templates they offer. Since the basic features are free, I encourage folks to give it a try. You do have to have or create a free Microsoft account to use the app. You can create one from within the app if you don't have one. Also, if you simply search for Word in the app store, it is the first result. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
Well it doesn't look like accessibility has improved at all. Almost impossible to edit a document even with a keyboard. Nice that you can do basic editing without subscribing but I don't really think it's very useable yet frankly. Still pretty disappointing sadly. On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
Well, the apps work for me without a specific kind of email address, so I'm still not clear what you are saying. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
The problem might be one of users asking too much of the form factor. Small apps such as what Microsoft is offering on the iPhone and such are not meant to be full Microsoft Office replacements no matter how hard blind people try to make them behave in this manner. these small apps might result in a more productive experience for the sighted user, but this is because the iPhone and such devices are designed for the sighted world, so when you read about these apps anywhere other than these blind-centric lists, the apps boast lots because sighted people can for the most part be much more productive not having to swipe their fingers to the bone trying to find each icon or control on the screen--they just scan the screen with their eyes and tap. Smile. What do you feel can be done to improve the current accessibility or ease of use? Joseph - Original Message - From: Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Well it doesn't look like accessibility has improved at all. Almost impossible to edit a document even with a keyboard. Nice that you can do basic editing without subscribing but I don't really think it's very useable yet frankly. Still pretty disappointing sadly. On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
If you do use any of the formatting, it is not indicated in speech. And you can only move by characters, words or headings. Not lines. I agree totally that we'll never get the same experience as sighted users, my co-workers love their Word for Ipad. But having full navigation and access to the results of formatting would make a difference at least. I would just be very caucious to describe it as accessible. It may be all we can get given the OS etc. but I just wouldn't describe it as accessible. On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The problem might be one of users asking too much of the form factor. Small apps such as what Microsoft is offering on the iPhone and such are not meant to be full Microsoft Office replacements no matter how hard blind people try to make them behave in this manner. these small apps might result in a more productive experience for the sighted user, but this is because the iPhone and such devices are designed for the sighted world, so when you read about these apps anywhere other than these blind-centric lists, the apps boast lots because sighted people can for the most part be much more productive not having to swipe their fingers to the bone trying to find each icon or control on the screen--they just scan the screen with their eyes and tap. Smile. What do you feel can be done to improve the current accessibility or ease of use? Joseph - Original Message - From: Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Well it doesn't look like accessibility has improved at all. Almost impossible to edit a document even with a keyboard. Nice that you can do basic editing without subscribing but I don't really think it's very useable yet frankly. Still pretty disappointing sadly. On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
Well each to their own and if formatting doesn't apply to you then you should be fine. If it does then yes you should be concerned. On 08/11/2014 03:21, Deb Lewis wrote: If you do use any of the formatting, it is not indicated in speech. And you can only move by characters, words or headings. Not lines. I agree totally that we'll never get the same experience as sighted users, my co-workers love their Word for Ipad. But having full navigation and access to the results of formatting would make a difference at least. I would just be very caucious to describe it as accessible. It may be all we can get given the OS etc. but I just wouldn't describe it as accessible. On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: The problem might be one of users asking too much of the form factor. Small apps such as what Microsoft is offering on the iPhone and such are not meant to be full Microsoft Office replacements no matter how hard blind people try to make them behave in this manner. these small apps might result in a more productive experience for the sighted user, but this is because the iPhone and such devices are designed for the sighted world, so when you read about these apps anywhere other than these blind-centric lists, the apps boast lots because sighted people can for the most part be much more productive not having to swipe their fingers to the bone trying to find each icon or control on the screen--they just scan the screen with their eyes and tap. Smile. What do you feel can be done to improve the current accessibility or ease of use? Joseph - Original Message - From: Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Well it doesn't look like accessibility has improved at all. Almost impossible to edit a document even with a keyboard. Nice that you can do basic editing without subscribing but I don't really think it's very useable yet frankly. Still pretty disappointing sadly. On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. Joseph - Original Message - From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft account. My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. Richard The only limits are those of vision. Sent from my iPhone 5S On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote: To run: Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which ends with @live.com or @outlook.com You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you will not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. Your app will now be setup. You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go into the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by trying to author their book using this type of device. The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the app to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through the process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many unnecessary replies. (Using nice tone). Joseph -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any
Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver
Don't quote me on this but according to my findings I was able to sign in with my paid 365 subscription and was able to use all the features including those found in the free version. On 08/11/2014 02:07, Deb Lewis wrote: So, when this was only available for the Ipad you had to have a Live365 subscription to edit documents. Is this no longer required? My employer has a Live365 account but it only allows us to use the nasty web ersions of Office so was no good to me for the Ipad version of word. On 11/7/14, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: I guess I need to also keep playing with it since I have no clue which mode I was in. I believe editing controls were available on the toolbar for whatever that's worth. Alan Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote: Were you in edit mode or just reading the document? I guess I will need to keep playing. Richard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 9:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver Richard, I was just playing with a document in the Word app and I had lines available for navigation in my rotor. I selected it and it seemed to work as expected. I also tried the Reflow option which was the next to last button on the right of the top line menu and liked the way reading worked in this view. It's opposite is Print layout view I believe. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:03 AM To: ViPone list Subject: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver I've played a little more with Word on the iPhone. It seems to be pretty accessible with Word and syncs with Dropbox and OneDrive. My one big complaint is that you cannot navigate by lines. In the rotor, you have characters, words, headings... This is whether you are in edit mode or not. And with or without a Bluetooth keyboard. You can just use the up and down arrow keys if you are on a Bluetooth keyboard, but I have not spent enough time with it to know if there is a point when you arrow yourself out of the edit field. This seems like a good start to having better Word access on the go. My other complaint is that when creating a new document, if you pick the take notes template, there is a lot of non-English words that you cannot delete, which makes it pretty much useless. The blank document is fine. I have not tried the other templates they offer. Since the basic features are free, I encourage folks to give it a try. You do have to have or create a free Microsoft account to use the app. You can create one from within the app if you don't have one. Also, if you simply search for Word in the app store, it is the first result. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can
