Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Yes, Mary, I found it pretty baffling at first but now really like it 
and use with ease.


You will get there, honestly.

Perhaps you could try to write down your steps and we could look at 
what's going wrong.


I certainly was sometimes trying to do the old way with the double tap 
and hold.


I hope you sort it soon but do come back if you still have problems. I 
found it infuriating that I couldn't do this basic task for a few days.


Happy Christmas to you and all!

Carol P - UK

On 11/2/2017 5:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Hi Mary,

It sounds like you go on the app you want to move, start editing mode 
but then right away go to the folder where you want to put the app. 
You forget the one step which is after you start editing mode and 
while you are still focused on the app you want to move you flick down 
to drag and double tap that.


As somebody pointed out, in iOS 10 this used to be called “Move”, the 
nice thing is that in iOS 11 you can drag/move multiple apps at once. 
After you start editing mode and have focus on the first app flick to 
Drag and double tap, now go to another app you want to move or maybe 
you want to create a new folder and also flick down to Drag and double 
tap. Each time you do this Voiceover says you added this to the drag 
session and once you have all the apps marked, now go to the folder 
you want to add them to, flick to Add to Folder and double tap.


It works like a charm and I have not heard anybody say it wasn’t 
working and now in iOS 11.1 the “edit” option is there again, prior to 
11.1 you had to double tap and hold on an app like in the old days and 
now with devices which support 3D Touch quite a few people who maybe 
tend to tap their screen quite hard had problems with this because 
instead of starting editing mode they would invoke the 3D Touch 
shortcut menu.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Mary Otten

*Sent:* Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:46 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since 
updating to iOS 11


 The problem seems to be that once I put focus on the News folder, the 
ad to folder thing just isn’t there. I get an option to add the folder 
to the drag session, which I certainly don’t want to do. It’s just 
screwed up.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Hi Mary,

Drag is the new move.

So, flick to drag after you start editing and double tap.

Then, go to the folder you want to drop it into and flick down
until you get to add newsline to folder.

Then you may here "drop ready" and then double tap and it should work.

HTH,

Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)


On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am thoroughly confused as to how I move apps now since I
updated. I wanted to get the NFB-Newsline into my News folder.
So I started edit mode. But then when I flick all I see is
drag. But double tapping and trying to move doesn’t get the
job done. What the heck are you supposed to do to move file
into a folder. Color me confused.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Anthony Vece]

Neither do I.


Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 2, 2017, at 11:54 PM, Andy Baracco <w...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I didn't even know that you could place folders in the dock.
>  
> Andy
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 
> 11
> 
> Well, that’s weird. So if you have a folder in the dock, Apple accessibility 
> said you can’t add apps to it? That’s new. That is a serious regression. 
> Thank you Apple.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Connie Mohney <cmohney1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> I got confused by that Apple accessibility says it isn’t possible to add 
>> apps to the doc.  Just to folders.
>> Connie
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 8:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to 
>> iOS 11
>> OK, it seems this problem happens only if the folder which you were trying 
>> to move something is in the dockk. I have tried this with a few apps now, 
>> and if I go to move an app to a folder that is not in the dock, I get the 
>> choice about adding it to the folder or placing it before or after the 
>> folder. If, however, I want to add that same app to any folder in my dock, I 
>> can’t. Those choices relating to the folder are simply not present.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> It sounds like you go on the app you want to move, start editing mode but 
>> then right away go to the folder where you want to put the app. You forget 
>> the one step which is after you start editing mode and while you are still 
>> focused on the app you want to move you flick down to drag and double tap 
>> that.
>> As somebody pointed out, in iOS 10 this used to be called “Move”, the nice 
>> thing is that in iOS 11 you can drag/move multiple apps at once. After you 
>> start editing mode and have focus on the first app flick to Drag and double 
>> tap, now go to another app you want to move or maybe you want to create a 
>> new folder and also flick down to Drag and double tap. Each time you do this 
>> Voiceover says you added this to the drag session and once you have all the 
>> apps marked, now go to the folder you want to add them to, flick to Add to 
>> Folder and double tap.
>> It works like a charm and I have not heard anybody say it wasn’t working and 
>> now in iOS 11.1 the “edit” option is there again, prior to 11.1 you had to 
>> double tap and hold on an app like in the old days and now with devices 
>> which support 3D Touch quite a few people who maybe tend to tap their screen 
>> quite hard had problems with this because instead of starting editing mode 
>> they would invoke the 3D Touch shortcut menu.
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to 
>> iOS 11
>>  The problem seems to be that once I put focus on the News folder, the ad to 
>> folder thing just isn’t there. I get an option to add the folder to the drag 
>> session, which I certainly don’t want to do. It’s just screwed up.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> Drag is the new move.
>> So, flick to drag after you start editing and double tap.
>> Then, go to the folder you want to drop it into and flick down until you get 
>> to add newsline to folder.
>> Then you may here "drop ready" and then double tap and it should work.
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>> 
>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am thoroughly confused as to how I move apps now since I updated. I wanted 
>> to get the NFB-Newsline into my News folder. So I started edit mode. But 
>> then when I flick all I see is drag. But double tapping and trying to move 
>> doesn’t get the job done. What the heck are you supposed to do to move file 
>> into a folder. 

RE: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary and Apple Accessibility,

I agree that there is a bug, but the work-around is easy and one can’t really 
say it “breaks” accessibility in any way. I wonder if a sighted user can drag 
an app into a folder in the dock when the dock is full. Emphasis here is on 
“when the dock is full” because if there is even one space in the dock and you 
have one or more folders in the dock, there is no problem with adding/dropping 
apps into them.
Anyhow, here is how this works, I tested this on my 6S Plus and would expect it 
to be consistent:

If the dock is full, i.e. you have 4 apps, 4 folders or a mix of apps and 
folders for a total of 4 then you can’t add anything to the dock, you can’t add 
any more apps or folders and, you are correct, you can’t add an app to a 
folder, either.
This latter issue can definitely be considered to be a bug since there is no 
reason why one should not be able to put an app into a folder regardless 
whether said folder is on the home screen or in the dock.

What is not a bug is the fact that if 4 items are in the dock you can’t add 
anything else, the dock can only hold 4 items.
On the home screen even if a home screen is full, if you add another item the 
last item at the bottom right will simply move over to the top left of the 
following home screen, in the dock there is no place for an app to go so 
instead of bumping the rightmost app out of the dock Apple obviously simply 
decided that if you want to add an item to a full dock you first have to take 
one of the existing 4 items out.

Now, what I tested is this: I removed two items from the dock and then put a 
folder into the dock so that now I had 3 items in the dock, 2 apps and a 
folder. This still left one empty space.
I now put an app on the home screen in editing mode, started dragging it and 
now with focus on the app that was second in the dock and had a folder to the 
right I now had the full selection of options available, drop to the left, drop 
to the right and make a folder with the two apps.
If I put focus on the folder in the dock instead of on one of the two apps, I 
again had all options available, I could drop the add to the left of the 
folder, to the right of the folder or I could drop it in the folder.
This means only if the dock is full you can’t drop an app into a folder and the 
work-around is to take an app out so the dock has one space available..

Again, I think Apple can probably fix this so that even if the dock is full you 
can at least drop an app into a folder that is in the dock. I am actually 
CC’ing Apple Accessibility so they also get this message since it outlines the 
different scenarios and anybody who wants to use all or part of my description 
and testing is free to do so. I would never place a folder in the dock, to me 
the dock is for the 4 apps I use most and it is not logical to me to put a 
folder there which I first have to open to get to the apps in it. But everybody 
is different and since I agree that it should be possible to drop an app into a 
folder even if said folder is in a full dock I’ll support you in reporting it.

Moving one of the apps out of the folder might be easier than moving the folder 
out of the dock because if the folder is in the dock and you can drop apps into 
it you can do so with apps on any home screen.
I would simply go to the first home screen where you have an empty spot at the 
bottom and put one of the dock apps there, then put whatever apps you want to 
add to the folder in the folder which is now possible, then put the app back.
Of course this is now even easier because if you want to put 2 or 3 or 8 apps 
into the folder in the dock, you can go from home page to home page, add all 
the apps to the drag session and drop them into the folder all at once.


Best regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Mary Otten]

Well, that’s weird. So if you have a folder in the dock, Apple accessibility 
said you can’t add apps to it? That’s new. That is a serious regression. Thank 
you Apple.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Connie Mohney <cmohney1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> I got confused by that Apple accessibility says it isn’t possible to add apps 
> to the doc.  Just to folders.
>  
> Connie
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 8:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 
> 11
>  
> OK, it seems this problem happens only if the folder which you were trying to 
> move something is in the dockk. I have tried this with a few apps now, and if 
> I go to move an app to a folder that is not in the dock, I get the choice 
> about adding it to the folder or placing it before or after the folder. If, 
> however, I want to add that same app to any folder in my dock, I can’t. Those 
> choices relating to the folder are simply not present.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> It sounds like you go on the app you want to move, start editing mode but 
> then right away go to the folder where you want to put the app. You forget 
> the one step which is after you start editing mode and while you are still 
> focused on the app you want to move you flick down to drag and double tap 
> that.
> As somebody pointed out, in iOS 10 this used to be called “Move”, the nice 
> thing is that in iOS 11 you can drag/move multiple apps at once. After you 
> start editing mode and have focus on the first app flick to Drag and double 
> tap, now go to another app you want to move or maybe you want to create a new 
> folder and also flick down to Drag and double tap. Each time you do this 
> Voiceover says you added this to the drag session and once you have all the 
> apps marked, now go to the folder you want to add them to, flick to Add to 
> Folder and double tap.
> It works like a charm and I have not heard anybody say it wasn’t working and 
> now in iOS 11.1 the “edit” option is there again, prior to 11.1 you had to 
> double tap and hold on an app like in the old days and now with devices which 
> support 3D Touch quite a few people who maybe tend to tap their screen quite 
> hard had problems with this because instead of starting editing mode they 
> would invoke the 3D Touch shortcut menu.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 
> 11
>  
>  The problem seems to be that once I put focus on the News folder, the ad to 
> folder thing just isn’t there. I get an option to add the folder to the drag 
> session, which I certainly don’t want to do. It’s just screwed up.
> Mary
> 
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> Drag is the new move.
> So, flick to drag after you start editing and double tap.
> Then, go to the folder you want to drop it into and flick down until you get 
> to add newsline to folder.
> Then you may here "drop ready" and then double tap and it should work.
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am thoroughly confused as to how I move apps now since I updated. I wanted 
> to get the NFB-Newsline into my News folder. So I started edit mode. But then 
> when I flick all I see is drag. But double tapping and trying to move doesn’t 
> get the job done. What the heck are you supposed to do to move file into a 
> folder. Color me confused.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Maria Chapman]

HI.

I don’t have iOS 11 so can’t test this, but could you not temporarily move the 
folder out of the doc, add your apps and then place it back in the doc?

Maria

> On 3 Nov 2017, at 2:19 pm, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, that’s weird. So if you have a folder in the dock, Apple accessibility 
> said you can’t add apps to it? That’s new. That is a serious regression. 
> Thank you Apple.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 2, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Connie Mohney <cmohney1...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:cmohney1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> I got confused by that Apple accessibility says it isn’t possible to add 
>> apps to the doc.  Just to folders.
>>  
>> Connie
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 8:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to 
>> iOS 11
>>  
>> OK, it seems this problem happens only if the folder which you were trying 
>> to move something is in the dockk. I have tried this with a few apps now, 
>> and if I go to move an app to a folder that is not in the dock, I get the 
>> choice about adding it to the folder or placing it before or after the 
>> folder. If, however, I want to add that same app to any folder in my dock, I 
>> can’t. Those choices relating to the folder are simply not present.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca 
>> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>>  
>> It sounds like you go on the app you want to move, start editing mode but 
>> then right away go to the folder where you want to put the app. You forget 
>> the one step which is after you start editing mode and while you are still 
>> focused on the app you want to move you flick down to drag and double tap 
>> that.
>> As somebody pointed out, in iOS 10 this used to be called “Move”, the nice 
>> thing is that in iOS 11 you can drag/move multiple apps at once. After you 
>> start editing mode and have focus on the first app flick to Drag and double 
>> tap, now go to another app you want to move or maybe you want to create a 
>> new folder and also flick down to Drag and double tap. Each time you do this 
>> Voiceover says you added this to the drag session and once you have all the 
>> apps marked, now go to the folder you want to add them to, flick to Add to 
>> Folder and double tap.
>> It works like a charm and I have not heard anybody say it wasn’t working and 
>> now in iOS 11.1 the “edit” option is there again, prior to 11.1 you had to 
>> double tap and hold on an app like in the old days and now with devices 
>> which support 3D Touch quite a few people who maybe tend to tap their screen 
>> quite hard had problems with this because instead of starting editing mode 
>> they would invoke the 3D Touch shortcut menu. <>
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to 
>> iOS 11
>>  
>>  The problem seems to be that once I put focus on the News folder, the ad to 
>> folder thing just isn’t there. I get an option to add the folder to the drag 
>> session, which I certainly don’t want to do. It’s just screwed up.
>> Mary
>> 
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com 
>> <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary, 
>> Drag is the new move.
>> So, flick to drag after you start editing and double tap.
>> Then, go to the folder you want to drop it into and flick down until you get 
>> to add newsline to folder.
>> Then you may here "drop ready" and then double tap and it should work.
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>> 
>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I am thoroughly confused as to how

Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Andy Baracco]

I didn't even know that you could place folders in the dock.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mary Otten 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 8:19 PM
  Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 
11


  Well, that’s weird. So if you have a folder in the dock, Apple accessibility 
said you can’t add apps to it? That’s new. That is a serious regression. Thank 
you Apple.
  Mary




  Sent from my iPhone

  On Nov 2, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Connie Mohney <cmohney1...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi Mary,

I got confused by that Apple accessibility says it isn’t possible to add 
apps to the doc.  Just to folders.



Connie



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to 
iOS 11



OK, it seems this problem happens only if the folder which you were trying 
to move something is in the dockk. I have tried this with a few apps now, and 
if I go to move an app to a folder that is not in the dock, I get the choice 
about adding it to the folder or placing it before or after the folder. If, 
however, I want to add that same app to any folder in my dock, I can’t. Those 
choices relating to the folder are simply not present.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

  Hi Mary,



  It sounds like you go on the app you want to move, start editing mode but 
then right away go to the folder where you want to put the app. You forget the 
one step which is after you start editing mode and while you are still focused 
on the app you want to move you flick down to drag and double tap that.

  As somebody pointed out, in iOS 10 this used to be called “Move”, the 
nice thing is that in iOS 11 you can drag/move multiple apps at once. After you 
start editing mode and have focus on the first app flick to Drag and double 
tap, now go to another app you want to move or maybe you want to create a new 
folder and also flick down to Drag and double tap. Each time you do this 
Voiceover says you added this to the drag session and once you have all the 
apps marked, now go to the folder you want to add them to, flick to Add to 
Folder and double tap.

  It works like a charm and I have not heard anybody say it wasn’t working 
and now in iOS 11.1 the “edit” option is there again, prior to 11.1 you had to 
double tap and hold on an app like in the old days and now with devices which 
support 3D Touch quite a few people who maybe tend to tap their screen quite 
hard had problems with this because instead of starting editing mode they would 
invoke the 3D Touch shortcut menu.



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
  Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:46 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to 
iOS 11



   The problem seems to be that once I put focus on the News folder, the ad 
to folder thing just isn’t there. I get an option to add the folder to the drag 
session, which I certainly don’t want to do. It’s just screwed up.
  Mary



  Sent from my iPhone


  On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
wrote:

Hi Mary, 

Drag is the new move.

So, flick to drag after you start editing and double tap.

Then, go to the folder you want to drop it into and flick down until 
you get to add newsline to folder.

Then you may here "drop ready" and then double tap and it should work.

HTH,

Richard








(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)


On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

  I am thoroughly confused as to how I move apps now since I updated. I 
wanted to get the NFB-Newsline into my News folder. So I started edit mode. But 
then when I flick all I see is drag. But double tapping and trying to move 
doesn’t get the job done. What the heck are you supposed to do to move file 
into a folder. Color me confused.

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Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Mary Otten]

I certainly hope people will join me in reporting this bug to Apple. It’s a 
nuisance.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2017, at 8:29 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> You can drag apps and drop them into the dock if there is space and if you 
> are not trying to add them to a folder.
> I just tested it.
> The suggestion to move the folder out of the dock, add an app to it, then 
> move it back sounds like the best work around for now, while folks report 
> this to Apple.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Nov 2, 2017, at 8:20 PM, Maria Chapman <bubbygirl1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> HI.
>> 
>> I don’t have iOS 11 so can’t test this, but could you not temporarily move 
>> the folder out of the doc, add your apps and then place it back in the doc?
>> 
>> Maria
>> 
>>> On 3 Nov 2017, at 2:19 pm, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, that’s weird. So if you have a folder in the dock, Apple 
>>> accessibility said you can’t add apps to it? That’s new. That is a serious 
>>> regression. Thank you Apple.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Connie Mohney <cmohney1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>> I got confused by that Apple accessibility says it isn’t possible to add 
>>>> apps to the doc.  Just to folders.
>>>>  
>>>> Connie
>>>>  
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 8:14 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to 
>>>> iOS 11
>>>>  
>>>> OK, it seems this problem happens only if the folder which you were trying 
>>>> to move something is in the dockk. I have tried this with a few apps now, 
>>>> and if I go to move an app to a folder that is not in the dock, I get the 
>>>> choice about adding it to the folder or placing it before or after the 
>>>> folder. If, however, I want to add that same app to any folder in my dock, 
>>>> I can’t. Those choices relating to the folder are simply not present.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>>  
>>>> It sounds like you go on the app you want to move, start editing mode but 
>>>> then right away go to the folder where you want to put the app. You forget 
>>>> the one step which is after you start editing mode and while you are still 
>>>> focused on the app you want to move you flick down to drag and double tap 
>>>> that.
>>>> As somebody pointed out, in iOS 10 this used to be called “Move”, the nice 
>>>> thing is that in iOS 11 you can drag/move multiple apps at once. After you 
>>>> start editing mode and have focus on the first app flick to Drag and 
>>>> double tap, now go to another app you want to move or maybe you want to 
>>>> create a new folder and also flick down to Drag and double tap. Each time 
>>>> you do this Voiceover says you added this to the drag session and once you 
>>>> have all the apps marked, now go to the folder you want to add them to, 
>>>> flick to Add to Folder and double tap.
>>>> It works like a charm and I have not heard anybody say it wasn’t working 
>>>> and now in iOS 11.1 the “edit” option is there again, prior to 11.1 you 
>>>> had to double tap and hold on an app like in the old days and now with 
>>>> devices which support 3D Touch quite a few people who maybe tend to tap 
>>>> their screen quite hard had problems with this because instead of starting 
>>>> editing mode they would invoke the 3D Touch shortcut menu.
>>>>  
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:46 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to 
>>>> iOS 11
>>>>  
>>>>  The problem seems to be that once I put focus on the News folder, the ad 
>>>> to folder thing just isn’t there. I get an option to add the folder to 

Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Richard Turner]

You can drag apps and drop them into the dock if there is space and if you are 
not trying to add them to a folder.
I just tested it.
The suggestion to move the folder out of the dock, add an app to it, then move 
it back sounds like the best work around for now, while folks report this to 
Apple.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Nov 2, 2017, at 8:20 PM, Maria Chapman 
<bubbygirl1...@gmail.com<mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

HI.

I don’t have iOS 11 so can’t test this, but could you not temporarily move the 
folder out of the doc, add your apps and then place it back in the doc?

Maria

On 3 Nov 2017, at 2:19 pm, Mary Otten 
<motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well, that’s weird. So if you have a folder in the dock, Apple accessibility 
said you can’t add apps to it? That’s new. That is a serious regression. Thank 
you Apple.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Connie Mohney 
<cmohney1...@gmail.com<mailto:cmohney1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Mary,
I got confused by that Apple accessibility says it isn’t possible to add apps 
to the doc.  Just to folders.

Connie

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

OK, it seems this problem happens only if the folder which you were trying to 
move something is in the dockk. I have tried this with a few apps now, and if I 
go to move an app to a folder that is not in the dock, I get the choice about 
adding it to the folder or placing it before or after the folder. If, however, 
I want to add that same app to any folder in my dock, I can’t. Those choices 
relating to the folder are simply not present.
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Mary,

It sounds like you go on the app you want to move, start editing mode but then 
right away go to the folder where you want to put the app. You forget the one 
step which is after you start editing mode and while you are still focused on 
the app you want to move you flick down to drag and double tap that.
As somebody pointed out, in iOS 10 this used to be called “Move”, the nice 
thing is that in iOS 11 you can drag/move multiple apps at once. After you 
start editing mode and have focus on the first app flick to Drag and double 
tap, now go to another app you want to move or maybe you want to create a new 
folder and also flick down to Drag and double tap. Each time you do this 
Voiceover says you added this to the drag session and once you have all the 
apps marked, now go to the folder you want to add them to, flick to Add to 
Folder and double tap.
It works like a charm and I have not heard anybody say it wasn’t working and 
now in iOS 11.1 the “edit” option is there again, prior to 11.1 you had to 
double tap and hold on an app like in the old days and now with devices which 
support 3D Touch quite a few people who maybe tend to tap their screen quite 
hard had problems with this because instead of starting editing mode they would 
invoke the 3D Touch shortcut menu.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

 The problem seems to be that once I put focus on the News folder, the ad to 
folder thing just isn’t there. I get an option to add the folder to the drag 
session, which I certainly don’t want to do. It’s just screwed up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,
Drag is the new move.
So, flick to drag after you start editing and double tap.
Then, go to the folder you want to drop it into and flick down until you get to 
add newsline to folder.
Then you may here "drop ready" and then double tap and it should work.
HTH,
Richard




(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Mary Otten 
<motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am thoroughly confused as to how I move apps now since I updated. I wanted to 
get the NFB-Newsline into my News folder. So I started edit mode. But then when 
I flick all I see is drag. But double tapping and trying to move doesn’t get 
the job done. What the heck are you supposed to do to move file into a folder. 
Color me confused.

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RE: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Connie Mohney]

Hi Mary,

I got confused by that Apple accessibility says it isn’t possible to add apps 
to the doc.  Just to folders.

 

Connie

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

 

OK, it seems this problem happens only if the folder which you were trying to 
move something is in the dockk. I have tried this with a few apps now, and if I 
go to move an app to a folder that is not in the dock, I get the choice about 
adding it to the folder or placing it before or after the folder. If, however, 
I want to add that same app to any folder in my dock, I can’t. Those choices 
relating to the folder are simply not present.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Hi Mary,

 

It sounds like you go on the app you want to move, start editing mode but then 
right away go to the folder where you want to put the app. You forget the one 
step which is after you start editing mode and while you are still focused on 
the app you want to move you flick down to drag and double tap that.

As somebody pointed out, in iOS 10 this used to be called “Move”, the nice 
thing is that in iOS 11 you can drag/move multiple apps at once. After you 
start editing mode and have focus on the first app flick to Drag and double 
tap, now go to another app you want to move or maybe you want to create a new 
folder and also flick down to Drag and double tap. Each time you do this 
Voiceover says you added this to the drag session and once you have all the 
apps marked, now go to the folder you want to add them to, flick to Add to 
Folder and double tap.

It works like a charm and I have not heard anybody say it wasn’t working and 
now in iOS 11.1 the “edit” option is there again, prior to 11.1 you had to 
double tap and hold on an app like in the old days and now with devices which 
support 3D Touch quite a few people who maybe tend to tap their screen quite 
hard had problems with this because instead of starting editing mode they would 
invoke the 3D Touch shortcut menu.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

 

 The problem seems to be that once I put focus on the News folder, the ad to 
folder thing just isn’t there. I get an option to add the folder to the drag 
session, which I certainly don’t want to do. It’s just screwed up.
Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:

Hi Mary, 

Drag is the new move.

So, flick to drag after you start editing and double tap.

Then, go to the folder you want to drop it into and flick down until you get to 
add newsline to folder.

Then you may here "drop ready" and then double tap and it should work.

HTH,

Richard

 






(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)


On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am thoroughly confused as to how I move apps now since I updated. I wanted to 
get the NFB-Newsline into my News folder. So I started edit mode. But then when 
I flick all I see is drag. But double tapping and trying to move doesn’t get 
the job done. What the heck are you supposed to do to move file into a folder. 
Color me confused.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Mary Otten]

OK, it seems this problem happens only if the folder which you were trying to 
move something is in the dockk. I have tried this with a few apps now, and if I 
go to move an app to a folder that is not in the dock, I get the choice about 
adding it to the folder or placing it before or after the folder. If, however, 
I want to add that same app to any folder in my dock, I can’t. Those choices 
relating to the folder are simply not present.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> It sounds like you go on the app you want to move, start editing mode but 
> then right away go to the folder where you want to put the app. You forget 
> the one step which is after you start editing mode and while you are still 
> focused on the app you want to move you flick down to drag and double tap 
> that.
> As somebody pointed out, in iOS 10 this used to be called “Move”, the nice 
> thing is that in iOS 11 you can drag/move multiple apps at once. After you 
> start editing mode and have focus on the first app flick to Drag and double 
> tap, now go to another app you want to move or maybe you want to create a new 
> folder and also flick down to Drag and double tap. Each time you do this 
> Voiceover says you added this to the drag session and once you have all the 
> apps marked, now go to the folder you want to add them to, flick to Add to 
> Folder and double tap.
> It works like a charm and I have not heard anybody say it wasn’t working and 
> now in iOS 11.1 the “edit” option is there again, prior to 11.1 you had to 
> double tap and hold on an app like in the old days and now with devices which 
> support 3D Touch quite a few people who maybe tend to tap their screen quite 
> hard had problems with this because instead of starting editing mode they 
> would invoke the 3D Touch shortcut menu.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:46 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 
> 11
>  
>  The problem seems to be that once I put focus on the News folder, the ad to 
> folder thing just isn’t there. I get an option to add the folder to the drag 
> session, which I certainly don’t want to do. It’s just screwed up.
> Mary
> 
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> Drag is the new move.
> So, flick to drag after you start editing and double tap.
> Then, go to the folder you want to drop it into and flick down until you get 
> to add newsline to folder.
> Then you may here "drop ready" and then double tap and it should work.
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am thoroughly confused as to how I move apps now since I updated. I wanted 
> to get the NFB-Newsline into my News folder. So I started edit mode. But then 
> when I flick all I see is drag. But double tapping and trying to move doesn’t 
> get the job done. What the heck are you supposed to do to move file into a 
> folder. Color me confused.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

It sounds like you go on the app you want to move, start editing mode but then 
right away go to the folder where you want to put the app. You forget the one 
step which is after you start editing mode and while you are still focused on 
the app you want to move you flick down to drag and double tap that.
As somebody pointed out, in iOS 10 this used to be called “Move”, the nice 
thing is that in iOS 11 you can drag/move multiple apps at once. After you 
start editing mode and have focus on the first app flick to Drag and double 
tap, now go to another app you want to move or maybe you want to create a new 
folder and also flick down to Drag and double tap. Each time you do this 
Voiceover says you added this to the drag session and once you have all the 
apps marked, now go to the folder you want to add them to, flick to Add to 
Folder and double tap.
It works like a charm and I have not heard anybody say it wasn’t working and 
now in iOS 11.1 the “edit” option is there again, prior to 11.1 you had to 
double tap and hold on an app like in the old days and now with devices which 
support 3D Touch quite a few people who maybe tend to tap their screen quite 
hard had problems with this because instead of starting editing mode they would 
invoke the 3D Touch shortcut menu.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

 The problem seems to be that once I put focus on the News folder, the ad to 
folder thing just isn’t there. I get an option to add the folder to the drag 
session, which I certainly don’t want to do. It’s just screwed up.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Mary,
Drag is the new move.
So, flick to drag after you start editing and double tap.
Then, go to the folder you want to drop it into and flick down until you get to 
add newsline to folder.
Then you may here "drop ready" and then double tap and it should work.
HTH,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

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<motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am thoroughly confused as to how I move apps now since I updated. I wanted to 
get the NFB-Newsline into my News folder. So I started edit mode. But then when 
I flick all I see is drag. But double tapping and trying to move doesn’t get 
the job done. What the heck are you supposed to do to move file into a folder. 
Color me confused.

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Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Richard Turner]

It is sometimes slow, but I thought with your 7 plus it would be faster.
So, start editing on Newsline and flick down to drag. Pause a few seconds and 
double tap, and then pause another couple seconds.
Put focus on your news folder and try flicking down or up through the options 
and hopefully you will find add to folder, again pause and maybe it will say 
drop ready, then double tap.
I had to experiment a bit with the timing.
I liked it better in 10, but it does work in 11.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

 The problem seems to be that once I put focus on the News folder, the ad to 
folder thing just isn’t there. I get an option to add the folder to the drag 
session, which I certainly don’t want to do. It’s just screwed up.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Richard Turner 
> wrote:

Hi Mary,
Drag is the new move.
So, flick to drag after you start editing and double tap.
Then, go to the folder you want to drop it into and flick down until you get to 
add newsline to folder.
Then you may here "drop ready" and then double tap and it should work.
HTH,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

I am thoroughly confused as to how I move apps now since I updated. I wanted to 
get the NFB-Newsline into my News folder. So I started edit mode. But then when 
I flick all I see is drag. But double tapping and trying to move doesn’t get 
the job done. What the heck are you supposed to do to move file into a folder. 
Color me confused.

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Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Mary Otten]

 The problem seems to be that once I put focus on the News folder, the ad to 
folder thing just isn’t there. I get an option to add the folder to the drag 
session, which I certainly don’t want to do. It’s just screwed up.
Mary


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> On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> Drag is the new move.
> So, flick to drag after you start editing and double tap.
> Then, go to the folder you want to drop it into and flick down until you get 
> to add newsline to folder.
> Then you may here "drop ready" and then double tap and it should work.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
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> On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> I am thoroughly confused as to how I move apps now since I updated. I wanted 
>> to get the NFB-Newsline into my News folder. So I started edit mode. But 
>> then when I flick all I see is drag. But double tapping and trying to move 
>> doesn’t get the job done. What the heck are you supposed to do to move file 
>> into a folder. Color me confused.
>> 
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Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Richard Turner]

Hi Mary,
Drag is the new move.
So, flick to drag after you start editing and double tap.
Then, go to the folder you want to drop it into and flick down until you get to 
add newsline to folder.
Then you may here "drop ready" and then double tap and it should work.
HTH,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Mary Otten 
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I am thoroughly confused as to how I move apps now since I updated. I wanted to 
get the NFB-Newsline into my News folder. So I started edit mode. But then when 
I flick all I see is drag. But double tapping and trying to move doesn’t get 
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Color me confused.

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Re: Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Alan Lemly]

Mary, 

Place focus on the app you want to move into your news folder, single finger 
swipe down until you hear edit and double tap, focus should still be on the app 
you want to move and single finger swipe down until you hear drag and double 
tap, place focus on the folder where you want to move it and single finger 
swipe down until you hear the appropriate action and then double tap. 

Alan Lemly 

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> On Nov 1, 2017, at 9:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> when I flick all I see is drag. But double tapping and trying to move doesn’t 
> get the job done. What the heck are you supposed to do to move file into a 
> folder. Color me confused.
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Really confused about how to move apps now since updating to iOS 11

[Mary Otten]

I am thoroughly confused as to how I move apps now since I updated. I wanted to 
get the NFB-Newsline into my News folder. So I started edit mode. But then when 
I flick all I see is drag. But double tapping and trying to move doesn’t get 
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Color me confused.

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