Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
No, I was curious. Am getting the Apex in a week or two and then another braille display to use with my I phone 5! On 24 Sep 2012, at 13:04, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: hi, The old braille connect is much as you describe. The new brilliant bi has the same basic feature set as the braille connect, only the keys have better action, particularly the space bars. it's also made of a different type of aluminum that's a different texture. i actually like it a lot, even though the keys on the braille keyboard feel a bit big to my fingers. i'd suggest if you were going to go that rout, you get an executive leather case for your display. if you get the apex it will come with a pretty nice case already, but if you just get a braille display such as the brilliant bi, you won't get a carrying case. That would take care of at least some of your aversion to the aluminum. best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-09-23, at 5:13 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: Eric. I use to have the Braille Connect before I sold it. At the time, when using it, I found it very hard to press the braille keys and my fingers ached. Also the braille display was very cold to the touch as it was made of metal. Is it still so? I am now using the Essys as it's better for my fingers. I am getting a braille Note Apex for work and plan to use it with my I phone too as it's the one with the perkins style keyboard rather than the qwerty as Apple do not let you have full control of the I phone. I was told this by Human Ware as the came to my work place to demonstrate. Kawal. On 23 Sep 2012, at 21:14, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: One thing I would suggest is that you contact companies directly. Some of them are willing to send you a demo unit for a loan period. Humanware and handytech I believe both do that although you may have to for example, take a different sized display for demo than the one you actually want to buy. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-09-23, at 4:11 PM, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Erik, and thanks for the info on the BrailleConnect! No, I don't live on Onterio, or even close, but thanks for being willing to set up a demo for me if I did. Yeah, one of the things I'm finding while looking to buy a braille display is that you pretty much have to buy based on the description/opinion of others. My state agency doesn't even have any to let me look at, nor do any of the other folks I talk to in the state. I even went to a company in a neighboring state, and they couldn't arrange a demo for me, not of braille displays, and it is because of the cost, just as you said. Oh well, looks like I'm the guienna pig on this one for our area. *GRIN* At least I have this list and all of you to ask/receive thoughts/opinions from. Hey, I don't have to do it blind. *BOO HISS* LOL Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
hi, The old braille connect is much as you describe. The new brilliant bi has the same basic feature set as the braille connect, only the keys have better action, particularly the space bars. it's also made of a different type of aluminum that's a different texture. i actually like it a lot, even though the keys on the braille keyboard feel a bit big to my fingers. i'd suggest if you were going to go that rout, you get an executive leather case for your display. if you get the apex it will come with a pretty nice case already, but if you just get a braille display such as the brilliant bi, you won't get a carrying case. That would take care of at least some of your aversion to the aluminum. best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-09-23, at 5:13 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: Eric. I use to have the Braille Connect before I sold it. At the time, when using it, I found it very hard to press the braille keys and my fingers ached. Also the braille display was very cold to the touch as it was made of metal. Is it still so? I am now using the Essys as it's better for my fingers. I am getting a braille Note Apex for work and plan to use it with my I phone too as it's the one with the perkins style keyboard rather than the qwerty as Apple do not let you have full control of the I phone. I was told this by Human Ware as the came to my work place to demonstrate. Kawal. On 23 Sep 2012, at 21:14, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: One thing I would suggest is that you contact companies directly. Some of them are willing to send you a demo unit for a loan period. Humanware and handytech I believe both do that although you may have to for example, take a different sized display for demo than the one you actually want to buy. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-09-23, at 4:11 PM, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Erik, and thanks for the info on the BrailleConnect! No, I don't live on Onterio, or even close, but thanks for being willing to set up a demo for me if I did. Yeah, one of the things I'm finding while looking to buy a braille display is that you pretty much have to buy based on the description/opinion of others. My state agency doesn't even have any to let me look at, nor do any of the other folks I talk to in the state. I even went to a company in a neighboring state, and they couldn't arrange a demo for me, not of braille displays, and it is because of the cost, just as you said. Oh well, looks like I'm the guienna pig on this one for our area. *GRIN* At least I have this list and all of you to ask/receive thoughts/opinions from. Hey, I don't have to do it blind. *BOO HISS* LOL Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
VaShaun, I'd honestly be very interested in your opinion on the Focus 14 when you receive it. I'm not sure if that's the way I need to go, especially given that I'm a ZoomText user and thus don't need the compatibility with JAWS. I'd mainly be using my braille keyboard/display on my iDevices and nowhere else, so I'd really appreciate your thoughts on how the Focus 14 works with IOS 6. On a different note, though same topic, what do all of you think about the HumanWare BrailleConnect 12? I'm looking for small/functional/easy to carry, and I saw the post here in another topic stating that this one could be carried in a jeans pocket. That really peaked my attention. Please let me know of any gotchyas that I should be looking out for, if any. I really appreciate the help that all of you are giving me on this one, and I'm also keeping up with the other topic on this list discussing braille displays. I do have to say one thing. It would be very nice if there was a store, similar to Best Buy, where I could go and get a hands-on look at these products. I mean, you guys can only help me so much, and then the final decision is mine. *GRIN* Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Hi, I want to vote in favour of the braille connect 12. I have a 32 cell and I love it. It's aluminum constructed and very sturdy. It is all black an silver with buttons that don't look as if they belong on a fisher-price toy. It has very comfortable braille although this is very preferecial, and what feels nice to me may not feel nice to you. The braille connect is a bit older now though, and that means several drawbacks. It's not priced competitively. It comes with only one year warrantee unless that changed when the brilliant BI was released, but I'd look into it if I were you. It has the old familiar baum connection ambiguity where you have to start your braille device before your IOS device… Or else. I love my BC, and it's working great for me. So, I really can't justify the expense, but I'd love to upgrade to a brilliant BI 32 if I had money to burn. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-09-23, at 3:14 PM, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: VaShaun, I'd honestly be very interested in your opinion on the Focus 14 when you receive it. I'm not sure if that's the way I need to go, especially given that I'm a ZoomText user and thus don't need the compatibility with JAWS. I'd mainly be using my braille keyboard/display on my iDevices and nowhere else, so I'd really appreciate your thoughts on how the Focus 14 works with IOS 6. On a different note, though same topic, what do all of you think about the HumanWare BrailleConnect 12? I'm looking for small/functional/easy to carry, and I saw the post here in another topic stating that this one could be carried in a jeans pocket. That really peaked my attention. Please let me know of any gotchyas that I should be looking out for, if any. I really appreciate the help that all of you are giving me on this one, and I'm also keeping up with the other topic on this list discussing braille displays. I do have to say one thing. It would be very nice if there was a store, similar to Best Buy, where I could go and get a hands-on look at these products. I mean, you guys can only help me so much, and then the final decision is mine. *GRIN* Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
By the by, I don't suppose you are in ontario perchance? One of my sidelines is arranging demos. Braille displays are hard because of the cost of them, but I can make it happen as long as you live here. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-09-23, at 3:14 PM, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: VaShaun, I'd honestly be very interested in your opinion on the Focus 14 when you receive it. I'm not sure if that's the way I need to go, especially given that I'm a ZoomText user and thus don't need the compatibility with JAWS. I'd mainly be using my braille keyboard/display on my iDevices and nowhere else, so I'd really appreciate your thoughts on how the Focus 14 works with IOS 6. On a different note, though same topic, what do all of you think about the HumanWare BrailleConnect 12? I'm looking for small/functional/easy to carry, and I saw the post here in another topic stating that this one could be carried in a jeans pocket. That really peaked my attention. Please let me know of any gotchyas that I should be looking out for, if any. I really appreciate the help that all of you are giving me on this one, and I'm also keeping up with the other topic on this list discussing braille displays. I do have to say one thing. It would be very nice if there was a store, similar to Best Buy, where I could go and get a hands-on look at these products. I mean, you guys can only help me so much, and then the final decision is mine. *GRIN* Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Hi Erik, and thanks for the info on the BrailleConnect! No, I don't live on Onterio, or even close, but thanks for being willing to set up a demo for me if I did. Yeah, one of the things I'm finding while looking to buy a braille display is that you pretty much have to buy based on the description/opinion of others. My state agency doesn't even have any to let me look at, nor do any of the other folks I talk to in the state. I even went to a company in a neighboring state, and they couldn't arrange a demo for me, not of braille displays, and it is because of the cost, just as you said. Oh well, looks like I'm the guienna pig on this one for our area. *GRIN* At least I have this list and all of you to ask/receive thoughts/opinions from. Hey, I don't have to do it blind. *BOO HISS* LOL Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
One thing I would suggest is that you contact companies directly. Some of them are willing to send you a demo unit for a loan period. Humanware and handytech I believe both do that although you may have to for example, take a different sized display for demo than the one you actually want to buy. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-09-23, at 4:11 PM, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Erik, and thanks for the info on the BrailleConnect! No, I don't live on Onterio, or even close, but thanks for being willing to set up a demo for me if I did. Yeah, one of the things I'm finding while looking to buy a braille display is that you pretty much have to buy based on the description/opinion of others. My state agency doesn't even have any to let me look at, nor do any of the other folks I talk to in the state. I even went to a company in a neighboring state, and they couldn't arrange a demo for me, not of braille displays, and it is because of the cost, just as you said. Oh well, looks like I'm the guienna pig on this one for our area. *GRIN* At least I have this list and all of you to ask/receive thoughts/opinions from. Hey, I don't have to do it blind. *BOO HISS* LOL Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Amy, I have the Braillepen12 and love it. It's tiny about the size of a 4 by 6 index card. It weighs practically nothing and is very easy to use. Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Chesley On Sep 23, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Amy Harris wrote: Hi Erik, and thanks for the info on the BrailleConnect! No, I don't live on Onterio, or even close, but thanks for being willing to set up a demo for me if I did. Yeah, one of the things I'm finding while looking to buy a braille display is that you pretty much have to buy based on the description/opinion of others. My state agency doesn't even have any to let me look at, nor do any of the other folks I talk to in the state. I even went to a company in a neighboring state, and they couldn't arrange a demo for me, not of braille displays, and it is because of the cost, just as you said. Oh well, looks like I'm the guienna pig on this one for our area. *GRIN* At least I have this list and all of you to ask/receive thoughts/opinions from. Hey, I don't have to do it blind. *BOO HISS* LOL Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Amy, Your name sounds familiar, did you ever go to the Tennessee School for the blind? On Sep 23, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Amy Harris wrote: Hi Erik, and thanks for the info on the BrailleConnect! No, I don't live on Onterio, or even close, but thanks for being willing to set up a demo for me if I did. Yeah, one of the things I'm finding while looking to buy a braille display is that you pretty much have to buy based on the description/opinion of others. My state agency doesn't even have any to let me look at, nor do any of the other folks I talk to in the state. I even went to a company in a neighboring state, and they couldn't arrange a demo for me, not of braille displays, and it is because of the cost, just as you said. Oh well, looks like I'm the guienna pig on this one for our area. *GRIN* At least I have this list and all of you to ask/receive thoughts/opinions from. Hey, I don't have to do it blind. *BOO HISS* LOL Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Eric. I use to have the Braille Connect before I sold it. At the time, when using it, I found it very hard to press the braille keys and my fingers ached. Also the braille display was very cold to the touch as it was made of metal. Is it still so? I am now using the Essys as it's better for my fingers. I am getting a braille Note Apex for work and plan to use it with my I phone too as it's the one with the perkins style keyboard rather than the qwerty as Apple do not let you have full control of the I phone. I was told this by Human Ware as the came to my work place to demonstrate. Kawal. On 23 Sep 2012, at 21:14, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: One thing I would suggest is that you contact companies directly. Some of them are willing to send you a demo unit for a loan period. Humanware and handytech I believe both do that although you may have to for example, take a different sized display for demo than the one you actually want to buy. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-09-23, at 4:11 PM, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Erik, and thanks for the info on the BrailleConnect! No, I don't live on Onterio, or even close, but thanks for being willing to set up a demo for me if I did. Yeah, one of the things I'm finding while looking to buy a braille display is that you pretty much have to buy based on the description/opinion of others. My state agency doesn't even have any to let me look at, nor do any of the other folks I talk to in the state. I even went to a company in a neighboring state, and they couldn't arrange a demo for me, not of braille displays, and it is because of the cost, just as you said. Oh well, looks like I'm the guienna pig on this one for our area. *GRIN* At least I have this list and all of you to ask/receive thoughts/opinions from. Hey, I don't have to do it blind. *BOO HISS* LOL Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: braille reference, was Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Richard, Now that is a pretty handy app and for a $1 I would get a lot of good information for so little. :) I might just have to grab that. :) THanks Scott On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, Amy and others, If you want a quick, easy way to look up braille codes you can't remember, there is an app, made by someone I know, called Braille Reference, and is $0.99 in the app store. Under the computer braille section, if you select to search by name, it will show you an alphabetical list of contractions. The At sign is the fourth one in the list. He says dots 7 and 4, which is correct. However, you can get this if you are using contracted braille by doing space bar plus u for upper case and then just a dot 4. He plans an update with visual images for the braille cells in the near future and there are a couple of search things he needs to clean up, but it is a handy tool for a lot of my braille students. HTH, Richard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone David, Do you tend to use contracted more than uncontracted Braille? Also I think I'm going to get one of those booklets that will help me remember how to make an at @ symbol etc. I never used computer Braille. In fact until a year ago or so I had not used Braille since I was in school which was a good while ago. :) I'm really looking to use my RefreshaBraille for more than just reading. :) On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: All braille displays work similarly with the iPhone. It is the iOS software which controls everything. The braille display is for viewing and the keyboard is for typing. Controls are more basic than with a braille note taker. I would be cautious about getting the HumanWare or vario displays. Connections can be more problematic do to the nature of the bluetooth driver stacks and controls in the HumanWare products. I have an Alva BC640 and a RefreshaBraille. Both work well with my iPhone. That said, I prefer the Refreshabraille because I can turn it on and off whilst my iPhone is unlocked and it connects and disconnects without difficulties. My Alva, on the other hand, requires that I lock my iPhone before I turn the Alva on. After the display is on, I unlock my iPhone and the Alva automatically connects. However, when I write in 8 dot computer braille, the Alva is easier because all 8 dots are in a row (40 cells gives more room for the keyboard). On the Refreshabraille, dots 7 and 8 are next to the spacebar, so harder to press dot 7 for capitalisation. National Braille Press, NBP, in the US has a braille brochure with the computer braille code. They also use to sell a book training on computer braille. In computer braille, the letters are the same, numbers are dropped to the lower part of the 6 dot cell (1 is dot 2, 2 is dots 2 3, 3 is dots 2 5, Etc.), and there are unique symbols for each punctuation mark. Upper-case letters are the same as lower-case letters with dot 7 added. I write computer braille at the same speed that I write contracted braille. For large files, I find my iPhone 4 does better in 8 dot mode rather than contracted braille mode. Also, in contracted braille mode, iOS has a half second buffer. If you stop writing for half a second, whatever is in the buffer is translated and written to the field. Braille entry works whenever the keyboard is activated. Also, almost everything VO speaks is simultaneously displayed in braille. I regularly take notes in braille during meetings with speech muted. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 17/09/2012, at 7:05, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Sharonda, thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the Essys 14 Kawal. I knew that if I asked here I could get REAL help. You know, useful help. *GRIN* I know that some braille displays are notetakers in and of themselves. That's not really what I need. I need something more along the lines of being able to turn off VoiceOver on my iDevice yet still use it through braille while in a meeting. Does that eliminate any of these devices? I'd also love a display that worked with iPhone apps like Pages, Messages, Notes, Mail, Reminders, my grocery list app, and so on. Does such a thing even exist, or does it all have to be done through the particular braille display's software? Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
I had heard that the focus displays don't work with the current ios. Can anyone verify this? Kimber On 9/16/12, VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com wrote: It does. I've ordered one but its on back order or they just haven't started shipping yet but it will do all that you've asked and more. On Sep 16, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Miranda B. knownofl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I haven’t seen this myself, but I am very interested in the Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific. From what I understand (someone please correct me if I’m wrong), this has the features you’ve mentioned that you’re looking for. In Christ, Miranda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Harris Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Hi all, I’m looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I’ve been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I’d ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Just a note, that Focus 14, you'll be looking long and hard for it at Humanware, it is a Freedom Scientific product. - Original Message - From: Amy Harris To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Thanks for the info! :-) I've been looking at the BraillePen 12 and I hadn't heard about the HumanWare 14-cell display! I'm going to add that to my list. *GRIN* Below are the ones that I've been considering. I'd appreciate any thoughts that anyone has on them. RefreshABraille 18 (8-dot Braille display.) BraillePen 12 VarioConnect 12-cell (Baum) EasyLink 12 (Optelec) HumanWare Focus 14 (Thanks to the list! *GRIN*) Also, I grew up on 6-dot Braille. For anyone that knows/has learned 8-dot Braille, is it a hard adaptation to make? Thanks again! Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
That is totally not true. In fact, they connect very nicely with iOS 5.1.1. I tried out the focus 40 a month ago. Richard (Sent from Richard's iPhone) On Sep 17, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I had heard that the focus displays don't work with the current ios. Can anyone verify this? Kimber On 9/16/12, VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com wrote: It does. I've ordered one but its on back order or they just haven't started shipping yet but it will do all that you've asked and more. On Sep 16, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Miranda B. knownofl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I haven’t seen this myself, but I am very interested in the Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific. From what I understand (someone please correct me if I’m wrong), this has the features you’ve mentioned that you’re looking for. In Christ, Miranda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Harris Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Hi all, I’m looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I’ve been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I’d ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
As told to me by a freedom scientific employee in Louisville at the ACB convention, the 14 cell will not work with iOS until six is released. Yes, the 40 cell did work with five. Telephone: (614)522-9725 Skype: sseric57 On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: That is totally not true. In fact, they connect very nicely with iOS 5.1.1. I tried out the focus 40 a month ago. Richard (Sent from Richard's iPhone) On Sep 17, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I had heard that the focus displays don't work with the current ios. Can anyone verify this? Kimber On 9/16/12, VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com wrote: It does. I've ordered one but its on back order or they just haven't started shipping yet but it will do all that you've asked and more. On Sep 16, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Miranda B. knownofl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I haven’t seen this myself, but I am very interested in the Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific. From what I understand (someone please correct me if I’m wrong), this has the features you’ve mentioned that you’re looking for. In Christ, Miranda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Harris Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Hi all, I’m looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I’ve been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I’d ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
That's the one I was interested in. I feel like a 40 cell display would be too big to be really portable. On 9/17/12, Eric SS sseri...@gmail.com wrote: As told to me by a freedom scientific employee in Louisville at the ACB convention, the 14 cell will not work with iOS until six is released. Yes, the 40 cell did work with five. Telephone: (614)522-9725 Skype: sseric57 On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: That is totally not true. In fact, they connect very nicely with iOS 5.1.1. I tried out the focus 40 a month ago. Richard (Sent from Richard's iPhone) On Sep 17, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I had heard that the focus displays don't work with the current ios. Can anyone verify this? Kimber On 9/16/12, VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com wrote: It does. I've ordered one but its on back order or they just haven't started shipping yet but it will do all that you've asked and more. On Sep 16, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Miranda B. knownofl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I haven’t seen this myself, but I am very interested in the Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific. From what I understand (someone please correct me if I’m wrong), this has the features you’ve mentioned that you’re looking for. In Christ, Miranda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Harris Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Hi all, I’m looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I’ve been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I’d ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
The one that I saw worked with 5.1. I don't know about IOS 6. I do know that the HIMS products don't work with 5.1, but again, that may be resolved with Ios 6. - Original Message - From: Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone I had heard that the focus displays don't work with the current ios. Can anyone verify this? Kimber On 9/16/12, VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com wrote: It does. I've ordered one but its on back order or they just haven't started shipping yet but it will do all that you've asked and more. On Sep 16, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Miranda B. knownofl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I haven’t seen this myself, but I am very interested in the Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific. From what I understand (someone please correct me if I’m wrong), this has the features you’ve mentioned that you’re looking for. In Christ, Miranda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Harris Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Hi all, I’m looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I’ve been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I’d ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
I listen much more than I read. I am dyslexic, so mainly use reading braille for editing purposes and phone numbers and such. My typing is rather slow because I regularly get my fingers reversed (q-p, o-w, s-l, Etc.) When writing braille, this is not a problem since both hands are used for most alphanumeric symbols. After many years of practice, my typing speed is between 30 and 35 words per minute. My brailling speed is about double my typing speed. I taught myself computer braille in the early 90's when I used a Braille 'n Speak to access BBSes. At this point, my computer braille writing is faster than my contracted braille writing since I do not always remember the contracted symbol whilst writing. For this reason, I prefer Apple's contracted braille input method. Often, when writing in contracted braille, I use a mix of contracted and uncontracted braille. I just must remember not to use computer braille punctuation symbols when writing this way as iOS gets confused when I do so. I have been using contracted braille more to improve that skill and write more comfortably on my Refreshabraille. However, when my computer is turned off and I am not out and about, I connect my Alva because I prefer writing computer braille. Finally, I have my VO set to Australian English. Now that I live in NZ, the official braille here is UEB, and setting VO to Australian sets UEB as contracted braille. So, when I read and write contracted braille, I force myself to learn UEB (which I have now done). David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 17/09/2012, at 8:46, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, Do you tend to use contracted more than uncontracted Braille? Also I think I'm going to get one of those booklets that will help me remember how to make an at @ symbol etc. I never used computer Braille. In fact until a year ago or so I had not used Braille since I was in school which was a good while ago. :) I'm really looking to use my RefreshaBraille for more than just reading. :) On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: All braille displays work similarly with the iPhone. It is the iOS software which controls everything. The braille display is for viewing and the keyboard is for typing. Controls are more basic than with a braille note taker. I would be cautious about getting the HumanWare or vario displays. Connections can be more problematic do to the nature of the bluetooth driver stacks and controls in the HumanWare products. I have an Alva BC640 and a RefreshaBraille. Both work well with my iPhone. That said, I prefer the Refreshabraille because I can turn it on and off whilst my iPhone is unlocked and it connects and disconnects without difficulties. My Alva, on the other hand, requires that I lock my iPhone before I turn the Alva on. After the display is on, I unlock my iPhone and the Alva automatically connects. However, when I write in 8 dot computer braille, the Alva is easier because all 8 dots are in a row (40 cells gives more room for the keyboard). On the Refreshabraille, dots 7 and 8 are next to the spacebar, so harder to press dot 7 for capitalisation. National Braille Press, NBP, in the US has a braille brochure with the computer braille code. They also use to sell a book training on computer braille. In computer braille, the letters are the same, numbers are dropped to the lower part of the 6 dot cell (1 is dot 2, 2 is dots 2 3, 3 is dots 2 5, Etc.), and there are unique symbols for each punctuation mark. Upper-case letters are the same as lower-case letters with dot 7 added. I write computer braille at the same speed that I write contracted braille. For large files, I find my iPhone 4 does better in 8 dot mode rather than contracted braille mode. Also, in contracted braille mode, iOS has a half second buffer. If you stop writing for half a second, whatever is in the buffer is translated and written to the field. Braille entry works whenever the keyboard is activated. Also, almost everything VO speaks is simultaneously displayed in braille. I regularly take notes in braille during meetings with speech muted. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 17/09/2012, at 7:05, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Sharonda, thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the Essys 14 Kawal. I knew that if I asked here I could get REAL help. You know, useful help. *GRIN* I know that some braille displays are notetakers in and of themselves. That's not really what I need. I need something more along the lines of being able to turn off VoiceOver on my iDevice yet still use it through braille while in a meeting. Does that eliminate any of these devices? I'd also love a display that worked with iPhone apps like Pages,
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
This is incorrect. Focus Bluetooth braille displays work with iOS devices. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 18/09/2012, at 2:39, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I had heard that the focus displays don't work with the current ios. Can anyone verify this? Kimber On 9/16/12, VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com wrote: It does. I've ordered one but its on back order or they just haven't started shipping yet but it will do all that you've asked and more. On Sep 16, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Miranda B. knownofl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I haven’t seen this myself, but I am very interested in the Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific. From what I understand (someone please correct me if I’m wrong), this has the features you’ve mentioned that you’re looking for. In Christ, Miranda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Harris Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Hi all, I’m looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I’ve been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I’d ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Hi David and list, Actually, here is the status of the focus line of Bluetooth braille displays. The new focus line-the focus 40 blue does as does the classic model works with IOS as of today. However, the focus 14 blue will not work with IOS 5.1.1 I am betting with IOS 6 it will however. Rich Cavallaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 6:39 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone This is incorrect. Focus Bluetooth braille displays work with iOS devices. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 18/09/2012, at 2:39, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I had heard that the focus displays don't work with the current ios. Can anyone verify this? Kimber On 9/16/12, VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com wrote: It does. I've ordered one but its on back order or they just haven't started shipping yet but it will do all that you've asked and more. On Sep 16, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Miranda B. knownofl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I haven't seen this myself, but I am very interested in the Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific. From what I understand (someone please correct me if I'm wrong), this has the features you've mentioned that you're looking for. In Christ, Miranda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Harris Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Hi all, I'm looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I've been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I'd ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
David, Is it possible to write standard contracted American Braille? If so, what would be the situations when computer Braille is preferable? Is this true regardless of the Braille device? Suzanne - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone I listen much more than I read. I am dyslexic, so mainly use reading braille for editing purposes and phone numbers and such. My typing is rather slow because I regularly get my fingers reversed (q-p, o-w, s-l, Etc.) When writing braille, this is not a problem since both hands are used for most alphanumeric symbols. After many years of practice, my typing speed is between 30 and 35 words per minute. My brailling speed is about double my typing speed. I taught myself computer braille in the early 90's when I used a Braille 'n Speak to access BBSes. At this point, my computer braille writing is faster than my contracted braille writing since I do not always remember the contracted symbol whilst writing. For this reason, I prefer Apple's contracted braille input method. Often, when writing in contracted braille, I use a mix of contracted and uncontracted braille. I just must remember not to use computer braille punctuation symbols when writing this way as iOS gets confused when I do so. I have been using contracted braille more to improve that skill and write more comfortably on my Refreshabraille. However, when my computer is turned off and I am not out and about, I connect my Alva because I prefer writing computer braille. Finally, I have my VO set to Australian English. Now that I live in NZ, the official braille here is UEB, and setting VO to Australian sets UEB as contracted braille. So, when I read and write contracted braille, I force myself to learn UEB (which I have now done). David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 17/09/2012, at 8:46, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, Do you tend to use contracted more than uncontracted Braille? Also I think I'm going to get one of those booklets that will help me remember how to make an at @ symbol etc. I never used computer Braille. In fact until a year ago or so I had not used Braille since I was in school which was a good while ago. :) I'm really looking to use my RefreshaBraille for more than just reading. :) On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: All braille displays work similarly with the iPhone. It is the iOS software which controls everything. The braille display is for viewing and the keyboard is for typing. Controls are more basic than with a braille note taker. I would be cautious about getting the HumanWare or vario displays. Connections can be more problematic do to the nature of the bluetooth driver stacks and controls in the HumanWare products. I have an Alva BC640 and a RefreshaBraille. Both work well with my iPhone. That said, I prefer the Refreshabraille because I can turn it on and off whilst my iPhone is unlocked and it connects and disconnects without difficulties. My Alva, on the other hand, requires that I lock my iPhone before I turn the Alva on. After the display is on, I unlock my iPhone and the Alva automatically connects. However, when I write in 8 dot computer braille, the Alva is easier because all 8 dots are in a row (40 cells gives more room for the keyboard). On the Refreshabraille, dots 7 and 8 are next to the spacebar, so harder to press dot 7 for capitalisation. National Braille Press, NBP, in the US has a braille brochure with the computer braille code. They also use to sell a book training on computer braille. In computer braille, the letters are the same, numbers are dropped to the lower part of the 6 dot cell (1 is dot 2, 2 is dots 2 3, 3 is dots 2 5, Etc.), and there are unique symbols for each punctuation mark. Upper-case letters are the same as lower-case letters with dot 7 added. I write computer braille at the same speed that I write contracted braille. For large files, I find my iPhone 4 does better in 8 dot mode rather than contracted braille mode. Also, in contracted braille mode, iOS has a half second buffer. If you stop writing for half a second, whatever is in the buffer is translated and written to the field. Braille entry works whenever the keyboard is activated. Also, almost everything VO speaks is simultaneously displayed in braille. I regularly take notes in braille during meetings with speech muted. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 17/09/2012, at 7:05, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Sharonda, thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the Essys 14
RE: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Hi David, How does your phone handle the combination of contracted and uncontracted Braille? Since I use a PC most of the time, I am used to spelling words out, but might find some of the Braille contractions convenient if I would remember to use them. _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone I listen much more than I read. I am dyslexic, so mainly use reading braille for editing purposes and phone numbers and such. My typing is rather slow because I regularly get my fingers reversed (q-p, o-w, s-l, Etc.) When writing braille, this is not a problem since both hands are used for most alphanumeric symbols. After many years of practice, my typing speed is between 30 and 35 words per minute. My brailling speed is about double my typing speed. I taught myself computer braille in the early 90's when I used a Braille 'n Speak to access BBSes. At this point, my computer braille writing is faster than my contracted braille writing since I do not always remember the contracted symbol whilst writing. For this reason, I prefer Apple's contracted braille input method. Often, when writing in contracted braille, I use a mix of contracted and uncontracted braille. I just must remember not to use computer braille punctuation symbols when writing this way as iOS gets confused when I do so. I have been using contracted braille more to improve that skill and write more comfortably on my Refreshabraille. However, when my computer is turned off and I am not out and about, I connect my Alva because I prefer writing computer braille. Finally, I have my VO set to Australian English. Now that I live in NZ, the official braille here is UEB, and setting VO to Australian sets UEB as contracted braille. So, when I read and write contracted braille, I force myself to learn UEB (which I have now done). David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 17/09/2012, at 8:46, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, Do you tend to use contracted more than uncontracted Braille? Also I think I'm going to get one of those booklets that will help me remember how to make an at @ symbol etc. I never used computer Braille. In fact until a year ago or so I had not used Braille since I was in school which was a good while ago. :) I'm really looking to use my RefreshaBraille for more than just reading. :) On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: All braille displays work similarly with the iPhone. It is the iOS software which controls everything. The braille display is for viewing and the keyboard is for typing. Controls are more basic than with a braille note taker. I would be cautious about getting the HumanWare or vario displays. Connections can be more problematic do to the nature of the bluetooth driver stacks and controls in the HumanWare products. I have an Alva BC640 and a RefreshaBraille. Both work well with my iPhone. That said, I prefer the Refreshabraille because I can turn it on and off whilst my iPhone is unlocked and it connects and disconnects without difficulties. My Alva, on the other hand, requires that I lock my iPhone before I turn the Alva on. After the display is on, I unlock my iPhone and the Alva automatically connects. However, when I write in 8 dot computer braille, the Alva is easier because all 8 dots are in a row (40 cells gives more room for the keyboard). On the Refreshabraille, dots 7 and 8 are next to the spacebar, so harder to press dot 7 for capitalisation. National Braille Press, NBP, in the US has a braille brochure with the computer braille code. They also use to sell a book training on computer braille. In computer braille, the letters are the same, numbers are dropped to the lower part of the 6 dot cell (1 is dot 2, 2 is dots 2 3, 3 is dots 2 5, Etc.), and there are unique symbols for each punctuation mark. Upper-case letters are the same as lower-case letters with dot 7 added. I write computer braille at the same speed that I write contracted braille. For large files, I find my iPhone 4 does better in 8 dot mode rather than contracted braille mode. Also, in contracted braille mode, iOS has a half second buffer. If you stop writing for half a second, whatever is in the buffer is translated and written to the field. Braille entry works whenever the keyboard is activated. Also, almost everything VO speaks is simultaneously displayed in braille. I regularly take notes in braille during meetings with speech muted. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 17/09/2012, at 7:05, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Sharonda, thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the Essys 14 Kawal. I knew that if I asked here I could get REAL help
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Nope its only on iOS6 On Sep 17, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I had heard that the focus displays don't work with the current ios. Can anyone verify this? Kimber On 9/16/12, VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com wrote: It does. I've ordered one but its on back order or they just haven't started shipping yet but it will do all that you've asked and more. On Sep 16, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Miranda B. knownofl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I haven’t seen this myself, but I am very interested in the Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific. From what I understand (someone please correct me if I’m wrong), this has the features you’ve mentioned that you’re looking for. In Christ, Miranda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Harris Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Hi all, I’m looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I’ve been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I’d ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
That is incorrect. As I have stated in a previous post, both models of the focus 40 blue, the classic and the new one just released this summer work with IOS 5.1.1 The one that does not work with IOS 5.1.1 is the new focus 14 blue display. That display I am sure will work with IOS 6. So, two of the focus 40 blue models do work with the the current IOS. Rich Cavallaro -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of VaShaun Jones Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Nope its only on iOS6 On Sep 17, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Kimber Gardner kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com wrote: I had heard that the focus displays don't work with the current ios. Can anyone verify this? Kimber On 9/16/12, VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com wrote: It does. I've ordered one but its on back order or they just haven't started shipping yet but it will do all that you've asked and more. On Sep 16, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Miranda B. knownofl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I haven't seen this myself, but I am very interested in the Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific. From what I understand (someone please correct me if I'm wrong), this has the features you've mentioned that you're looking for. In Christ, Miranda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Harris Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Hi all, I'm looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I've been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I'd ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Kimberly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
When in contracted braille, iOS waits half a second after typing, or pressing
the space bar, to run the input through its contraction translation. I do not
have any problems spelling some things out or mixing uncontracted and
contracted as long as I wait that half second for the buffer to clear. That
said, the translator gets confused when I use the computer braille period .
which is dots 4 6. If I do without placing a proper contracted symbol after it,
we get this{{]italic}} as the result. Pressing dots 1 2 4 5 space bar (g chord)
turns contracted braille on and off. When not in contracted braille, pressing 2
3 6 chord turns 8 dot computer braille on or off. If off, iOS gives
uncontracted literary braille which has numbers represented by the number
(pound) sign # and punctuation is the same as contracted Braille.
The Braille and contraction rules are set by the voice / language you have VO
set on. American gives BANA rules whilst Australian gives UEB Braille rules.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
On 18/09/2012, at 11:18, Mary-Jo Lord maryjo.lord...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi David,
How does your phone handle the combination of contracted and uncontracted
Braille? Since I use a PC most of the time, I am used to spelling words out,
but might find some of the Braille contractions convenient if I would
remember to use them.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
I listen much more than I read. I am dyslexic, so mainly use reading braille
for editing purposes and phone numbers and such. My typing is rather slow
because I regularly get my fingers reversed (q-p, o-w, s-l, Etc.) When
writing braille, this is not a problem since both hands are used for most
alphanumeric symbols. After many years of practice, my typing speed is
between 30 and 35 words per minute. My brailling speed is about double my
typing speed.
I taught myself computer braille in the early 90's when I used a Braille 'n
Speak to access BBSes. At this point, my computer braille writing is faster
than my contracted braille writing since I do not always remember the
contracted symbol whilst writing. For this reason, I prefer Apple's
contracted braille input method. Often, when writing in contracted braille, I
use a mix of contracted and uncontracted braille. I just must remember not to
use computer braille punctuation symbols when writing this way as iOS gets
confused when I do so. I have been using contracted braille more to improve
that skill and write more comfortably on my Refreshabraille. However, when my
computer is turned off and I am not out and about, I connect my Alva because
I prefer writing computer braille. Finally, I have my VO set to Australian
English. Now that I live in NZ, the official braille here is UEB, and setting
VO to Australian sets UEB as contracted braille. So, when I read and write
contracted braille, I force myself to learn UEB (which I have now done).
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
On 17/09/2012, at 8:46, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote:
David,
Do you tend to use contracted more than uncontracted Braille? Also I think
I'm going to get one of those booklets that will help me remember how to
make an at @ symbol etc. I never used computer Braille. In fact until a
year ago or so I had not used Braille since I was in school which was a good
while ago. :)
I'm really looking to use my RefreshaBraille for more than just reading. :)
On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
All braille displays work similarly with the iPhone. It is the iOS software
which controls everything. The braille display is for viewing and the
keyboard is for typing. Controls are more basic than with a braille note
taker.
I would be cautious about getting the HumanWare or vario displays.
Connections can be more problematic do to the nature of the bluetooth
driver stacks and controls in the HumanWare products.
I have an Alva BC640 and a RefreshaBraille. Both work well with my iPhone.
That said, I prefer the Refreshabraille because I can turn it on and off
whilst my iPhone is unlocked and it connects and disconnects without
difficulties. My Alva, on the other hand, requires that I lock my iPhone
before I turn the Alva on. After the display is on, I unlock my iPhone and
the Alva automatically connects. However, when I write in 8 dot computer
braille, the Alva is easier because all 8 dots are in a row (40 cells gives
more room for the keyboard). On the Refreshabraille, dots 7 and 8 are next
to the spacebar, so harder to press dot 7 for capitalisation
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Yes, all Braille devices are treated the same in iOS. Set VO voice to US English for BANA rules. I prefer the precise nature of computer Braille where I can easily mix characters, numbers, case, punctuation, Etc., without worrying about rules, exceptions, and special identifiers. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 18/09/2012, at 11:02, Suzanne Wilson suzannemwil...@comcast.net wrote: David, Is it possible to write standard contracted American Braille? If so, what would be the situations when computer Braille is preferable? Is this true regardless of the Braille device? Suzanne - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:38PM Subject: Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone I listen much more than I read. I am dyslexic, so mainly use reading braille for editing purposes and phone numbers and such. My typing is rather slow because I regularly get my fingers reversed (q-p, o-w, s-l, Etc.) When writing braille, this is not a problem since both hands are used for most alphanumeric symbols. After many years of practice, my typing speed is between 30 and 35 words per minute. My brailling speed is about double my typing speed. I taught myself computer braille in the early 90's when I used a Braille 'n Speak to access BBSes. At this point, my computer braille writing is faster than my contracted braille writing since I do not always remember the contracted symbol whilst writing. For this reason, I prefer Apple's contracted braille input method. Often, when writing in contracted braille, I use a mix of contracted and uncontracted braille. I just must remember not to use computer braille punctuation symbols when writing this way as iOS gets confused when I do so. I have been using contracted braille more to improve that skill and write more comfortably on my Refreshabraille. However, when my computer is turned off and I am not out and about, I connect my Alva because I prefer writing computer braille. Finally, I have my VO set to Australian English. Now that I live in NZ, the official braille here is UEB, and setting VO to Australian sets UEB as contracted braille. So, when I read and write contracted braille, I force myself to learn UEB (which I have now done). David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 17/09/2012, at 8:46, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: David, Do you tend to use contracted more than uncontracted Braille? Also I think I'm going to get one of those booklets that will help me remember how to make an at @ symbol etc. I never used computer Braille. In fact until a year ago or so I had not used Braille since I was in school which was a good while ago. :) I'm really looking to use my RefreshaBraille for more than just reading. :) On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: All braille displays work similarly with the iPhone. It is the iOS software which controls everything. The braille display is for viewing and the keyboard is for typing. Controls are more basic than with a braille note taker. I would be cautious about getting the HumanWare or vario displays. Connections can be more problematic do to the nature of the bluetooth driver stacks and controls in the HumanWare products. I have an Alva BC640 and a RefreshaBraille. Both work well with my iPhone. That said, I prefer the Refreshabraille because I can turn it on and off whilst my iPhone is unlocked and it connects and disconnects without difficulties. My Alva, on the other hand, requires that I lock my iPhone before I turn the Alva on. After the display is on, I unlock my iPhone and the Alva automatically connects. However, when I write in 8 dot computer braille, the Alva is easier because all 8 dots are in a row (40 cells gives more room for the keyboard). On the Refreshabraille, dots 7 and 8 are next to the spacebar, so harder to press dot 7 for capitalisation. National Braille Press, NBP, in the US has a braille brochure with the computer braille code. They also use to sell a book training on computer braille. In computer braille, the letters are the same, numbers are dropped to the lower part of the 6 dot cell (1 is dot 2, 2 is dots 2 3, 3 is dots 2 5, Etc.), and there are unique symbols for each punctuation mark. Upper-case letters are the same as lower-case letters with dot 7 added. I write computer braille at the same speed that I write contracted braille. For large files, I find my iPhone 4 does better in 8 dot mode rather than contracted braille mode. Also, in contracted braille mode, iOS has a half second buffer. If you stop writing for half a second, whatever is in the buffer is translated and written to the field
Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Hi all, I'm looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I've been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I'd ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Hi, I haven't seen this myself, but I am very interested in the Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific. From what I understand (someone please correct me if I'm wrong), this has the features you've mentioned that you're looking for. In Christ, Miranda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Harris Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Hi all, I'm looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I've been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I'd ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Amy, I have the Braillepen12 and it works great with my iPhone 4s. It also works nicely with my husbands iPod touch. It's very very portable and doesn't way much. On Sep 16, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Amy Harris wrote: Hi all, I’m looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I’ve been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I’d ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Thanks for the info! :-) I've been looking at the BraillePen 12 and I hadn't heard about the HumanWare 14-cell display! I'm going to add that to my list. *GRIN* Below are the ones that I've been considering. I'd appreciate any thoughts that anyone has on them. RefreshABraille 18 (8-dot Braille display.) BraillePen 12 VarioConnect 12-cell (Baum) EasyLink 12 (Optelec) HumanWare Focus 14 (Thanks to the list! *GRIN*) Also, I grew up on 6-dot Braille. For anyone that knows/has learned 8-dot Braille, is it a hard adaptation to make? Thanks again! Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Another braille display which is small and you might like to consider is the Essys 12 or 24. I have the 40 and apart from a couple of repairs, this braille display works well with the I phone. Best regards, Kawal. On 16 Sep 2012, at 19:42, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the info! :-) I've been looking at the BraillePen 12 and I hadn't heard about the HumanWare 14-cell display! I'm going to add that to my list. *GRIN* Below are the ones that I've been considering. I'd appreciate any thoughts that anyone has on them. RefreshABraille 18 (8-dot Braille display.) BraillePen 12 VarioConnect 12-cell (Baum) EasyLink 12 (Optelec) HumanWare Focus 14 (Thanks to the list! *GRIN*) Also, I grew up on 6-dot Braille. For anyone that knows/has learned 8-dot Braille, is it a hard adaptation to make? Thanks again! Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Just for clarification, the Focus 14 is made by Freedom Scientific; not Humanware. On 9/16/12, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the info! :-) I've been looking at the BraillePen 12 and I hadn't heard about the HumanWare 14-cell display! I'm going to add that to my list. *GRIN* Below are the ones that I've been considering. I'd appreciate any thoughts that anyone has on them. RefreshABraille 18 (8-dot Braille display.) BraillePen 12 VarioConnect 12-cell (Baum) EasyLink 12 (Optelec) HumanWare Focus 14 (Thanks to the list! *GRIN*) Also, I grew up on 6-dot Braille. For anyone that knows/has learned 8-dot Braille, is it a hard adaptation to make? Thanks again! Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Sharonda Greenlaw President (Phoenix Chapter) National Federation of the Blind - Come, read and take a journey with me at www.WorldOfShariG.blogspot.com or find me here: http:\\shari_greenlaw.livejournal.com Skype: sharonda2004 Twitter: shari_rocks Facebook: facebook.com/TheSharondaWhiteGreenlaw -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Sharonda, thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the Essys 14 Kawal. I knew that if I asked here I could get REAL help. You know, useful help. *GRIN* I know that some braille displays are notetakers in and of themselves. That's not really what I need. I need something more along the lines of being able to turn off VoiceOver on my iDevice yet still use it through braille while in a meeting. Does that eliminate any of these devices? I'd also love a display that worked with iPhone apps like Pages, Messages, Notes, Mail, Reminders, my grocery list app, and so on. Does such a thing even exist, or does it all have to be done through the particular braille display's software? Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
You can use the Essys as a separate note taker if you want. However when you use the I phone with the braille display, most functions ar done by manipulating the braille display I don't know why you can't use your list of applications through the display of your choice through your I phone. As long as the display is connected via bluetooth to your I phone, all things will work on your I phone. Does that help? Kawal. On 16 Sep 2012, at 20:05, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Sharonda, thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the Essys 14 Kawal. I knew that if I asked here I could get REAL help. You know, useful help. *GRIN* I know that some braille displays are notetakers in and of themselves. That's not really what I need. I need something more along the lines of being able to turn off VoiceOver on my iDevice yet still use it through braille while in a meeting. Does that eliminate any of these devices? I'd also love a display that worked with iPhone apps like Pages, Messages, Notes, Mail, Reminders, my grocery list app, and so on. Does such a thing even exist, or does it all have to be done through the particular braille display's software? Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
There is also the EuroBraille 12 and 20 cell displays. They also have Braille keyboards. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 17/09/2012, at 5:37, Miranda B. knownofl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I haven’t seen this myself, but I am very interested in the Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific. From what I understand (someone please correct me if I’m wrong), this has the features you’ve mentioned that you’re looking for. In Christ, Miranda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Harris Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Hi all, I’m looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I’ve been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I’d ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
All braille displays work similarly with the iPhone. It is the iOS software which controls everything. The braille display is for viewing and the keyboard is for typing. Controls are more basic than with a braille note taker. I would be cautious about getting the HumanWare or vario displays. Connections can be more problematic do to the nature of the bluetooth driver stacks and controls in the HumanWare products. I have an Alva BC640 and a RefreshaBraille. Both work well with my iPhone. That said, I prefer the Refreshabraille because I can turn it on and off whilst my iPhone is unlocked and it connects and disconnects without difficulties. My Alva, on the other hand, requires that I lock my iPhone before I turn the Alva on. After the display is on, I unlock my iPhone and the Alva automatically connects. However, when I write in 8 dot computer braille, the Alva is easier because all 8 dots are in a row (40 cells gives more room for the keyboard). On the Refreshabraille, dots 7 and 8 are next to the spacebar, so harder to press dot 7 for capitalisation. National Braille Press, NBP, in the US has a braille brochure with the computer braille code. They also use to sell a book training on computer braille. In computer braille, the letters are the same, numbers are dropped to the lower part of the 6 dot cell (1 is dot 2, 2 is dots 2 3, 3 is dots 2 5, Etc.), and there are unique symbols for each punctuation mark. Upper-case letters are the same as lower-case letters with dot 7 added. I write computer braille at the same speed that I write contracted braille. For large files, I find my iPhone 4 does better in 8 dot mode rather than contracted braille mode. Also, in contracted braille mode, iOS has a half second buffer. If you stop writing for half a second, whatever is in the buffer is translated and written to the field. Braille entry works whenever the keyboard is activated. Also, almost everything VO speaks is simultaneously displayed in braille. I regularly take notes in braille during meetings with speech muted. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 17/09/2012, at 7:05, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Sharonda, thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the Essys 14 Kawal. I knew that if I asked here I could get REAL help. You know, useful help. *GRIN* I know that some braille displays are notetakers in and of themselves. That's not really what I need. I need something more along the lines of being able to turn off VoiceOver on my iDevice yet still use it through braille while in a meeting. Does that eliminate any of these devices? I'd also love a display that worked with iPhone apps like Pages, Messages, Notes, Mail, Reminders, my grocery list app, and so on. Does such a thing even exist, or does it all have to be done through the particular braille display's software? Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
I recently had a chance to use a Braille Pen 12 and compare it to several others. If you narrow your list down to the RefreshaBraille or the Braille Pen, go with the Refreshabraille. The key responsiveness is much better with the Refreshabraille, and even though it offers 18 cells, it is actually slightly smaller than the Braille Pen 12. I have not seen the Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific yet. I'm hoping to get some time with one as soon as the dealer nearby gets one in, which should be within two weeks. I wasn't clear if you knew this, but all braille displays have 8 dots. David gave a good explanation and a good resource for learning computer braille in his message so I won't repeat all that. HTH, Richard _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Harris Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:43 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Thanks for the info! :-) I've been looking at the BraillePen 12 and I hadn't heard about the HumanWare 14-cell display! I'm going to add that to my list. *GRIN* Below are the ones that I've been considering. I'd appreciate any thoughts that anyone has on them. RefreshABraille 18 (8-dot Braille display.) BraillePen 12 VarioConnect 12-cell (Baum) EasyLink 12 (Optelec) HumanWare Focus 14 (Thanks to the list! *GRIN*) Also, I grew up on 6-dot Braille. For anyone that knows/has learned 8-dot Braille, is it a hard adaptation to make? Thanks again! Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
David, Do you tend to use contracted more than uncontracted Braille? Also I think I'm going to get one of those booklets that will help me remember how to make an at @ symbol etc. I never used computer Braille. In fact until a year ago or so I had not used Braille since I was in school which was a good while ago. :) I'm really looking to use my RefreshaBraille for more than just reading. :) On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: All braille displays work similarly with the iPhone. It is the iOS software which controls everything. The braille display is for viewing and the keyboard is for typing. Controls are more basic than with a braille note taker. I would be cautious about getting the HumanWare or vario displays. Connections can be more problematic do to the nature of the bluetooth driver stacks and controls in the HumanWare products. I have an Alva BC640 and a RefreshaBraille. Both work well with my iPhone. That said, I prefer the Refreshabraille because I can turn it on and off whilst my iPhone is unlocked and it connects and disconnects without difficulties. My Alva, on the other hand, requires that I lock my iPhone before I turn the Alva on. After the display is on, I unlock my iPhone and the Alva automatically connects. However, when I write in 8 dot computer braille, the Alva is easier because all 8 dots are in a row (40 cells gives more room for the keyboard). On the Refreshabraille, dots 7 and 8 are next to the spacebar, so harder to press dot 7 for capitalisation. National Braille Press, NBP, in the US has a braille brochure with the computer braille code. They also use to sell a book training on computer braille. In computer braille, the letters are the same, numbers are dropped to the lower part of the 6 dot cell (1 is dot 2, 2 is dots 2 3, 3 is dots 2 5, Etc.), and there are unique symbols for each punctuation mark. Upper-case letters are the same as lower-case letters with dot 7 added. I write computer braille at the same speed that I write contracted braille. For large files, I find my iPhone 4 does better in 8 dot mode rather than contracted braille mode. Also, in contracted braille mode, iOS has a half second buffer. If you stop writing for half a second, whatever is in the buffer is translated and written to the field. Braille entry works whenever the keyboard is activated. Also, almost everything VO speaks is simultaneously displayed in braille. I regularly take notes in braille during meetings with speech muted. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 17/09/2012, at 7:05, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Sharonda, thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the Essys 14 Kawal. I knew that if I asked here I could get REAL help. You know, useful help. *GRIN* I know that some braille displays are notetakers in and of themselves. That's not really what I need. I need something more along the lines of being able to turn off VoiceOver on my iDevice yet still use it through braille while in a meeting. Does that eliminate any of these devices? I'd also love a display that worked with iPhone apps like Pages, Messages, Notes, Mail, Reminders, my grocery list app, and so on. Does such a thing even exist, or does it all have to be done through the particular braille display's software? Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: braille reference, was Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Hi Scott, Amy and others, If you want a quick, easy way to look up braille codes you can't remember, there is an app, made by someone I know, called Braille Reference, and is $0.99 in the app store. Under the computer braille section, if you select to search by name, it will show you an alphabetical list of contractions. The At sign is the fourth one in the list. He says dots 7 and 4, which is correct. However, you can get this if you are using contracted braille by doing space bar plus u for upper case and then just a dot 4. He plans an update with visual images for the braille cells in the near future and there are a couple of search things he needs to clean up, but it is a handy tool for a lot of my braille students. HTH, Richard _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone David, Do you tend to use contracted more than uncontracted Braille? Also I think I'm going to get one of those booklets that will help me remember how to make an at @ symbol etc. I never used computer Braille. In fact until a year ago or so I had not used Braille since I was in school which was a good while ago. :) I'm really looking to use my RefreshaBraille for more than just reading. :) On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: All braille displays work similarly with the iPhone. It is the iOS software which controls everything. The braille display is for viewing and the keyboard is for typing. Controls are more basic than with a braille note taker. I would be cautious about getting the HumanWare or vario displays. Connections can be more problematic do to the nature of the bluetooth driver stacks and controls in the HumanWare products. I have an Alva BC640 and a RefreshaBraille. Both work well with my iPhone. That said, I prefer the Refreshabraille because I can turn it on and off whilst my iPhone is unlocked and it connects and disconnects without difficulties. My Alva, on the other hand, requires that I lock my iPhone before I turn the Alva on. After the display is on, I unlock my iPhone and the Alva automatically connects. However, when I write in 8 dot computer braille, the Alva is easier because all 8 dots are in a row (40 cells gives more room for the keyboard). On the Refreshabraille, dots 7 and 8 are next to the spacebar, so harder to press dot 7 for capitalisation. National Braille Press, NBP, in the US has a braille brochure with the computer braille code. They also use to sell a book training on computer braille. In computer braille, the letters are the same, numbers are dropped to the lower part of the 6 dot cell (1 is dot 2, 2 is dots 2 3, 3 is dots 2 5, Etc.), and there are unique symbols for each punctuation mark. Upper-case letters are the same as lower-case letters with dot 7 added. I write computer braille at the same speed that I write contracted braille. For large files, I find my iPhone 4 does better in 8 dot mode rather than contracted braille mode. Also, in contracted braille mode, iOS has a half second buffer. If you stop writing for half a second, whatever is in the buffer is translated and written to the field. Braille entry works whenever the keyboard is activated. Also, almost everything VO speaks is simultaneously displayed in braille. I regularly take notes in braille during meetings with speech muted. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 17/09/2012, at 7:05, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Sharonda, thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the Essys 14 Kawal. I knew that if I asked here I could get REAL help. You know, useful help. *GRIN* I know that some braille displays are notetakers in and of themselves. That's not really what I need. I need something more along the lines of being able to turn off VoiceOver on my iDevice yet still use it through braille while in a meeting. Does that eliminate any of these devices? I'd also love a display that worked with iPhone apps like Pages, Messages, Notes, Mail, Reminders, my grocery list app, and so on. Does such a thing even exist, or does it all have to be done through the particular braille display's software? Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
I pretty much haven't used braille since school either, and I don't want to think about how long ago that was, *GRIN* but I can see where it would really come in handy for me in meetings so I really want/need to re-learn computer braille. Sheesh, can you say run-on?!!! I thought I learned English in school too, but apparently NOT! LOL I really appreciate the info on computer braille, and the info on the app, which I intend to BUY, especially since it came along after I graduated. I think that, especially when I'm supposed to be taking notes in meetings, this will really be helpful! I can't appreciate this enough since I wouldn't have a clue without everyone's help! Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: braille reference, was Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
Thanks for the heads up about that app, looks good. Frank Ventura Email: frank.vent...@littlebreezes.commailto:frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com Voicemail: 781 492-4262 Imessage: frankmvent...@mac.commailto:frankmvent...@mac.com *Sent from my Mac Book Air* On Sep 16, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.commailto:richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Scott, Amy and others, If you want a quick, easy way to look up braille codes you can't remember, there is an app, made by someone I know, called Braille Reference, and is $0.99 in the app store. Under the computer braille section, if you select to search by name, it will show you an alphabetical list of contractions. The At sign is the fourth one in the list. He says dots 7 and 4, which is correct. However, you can get this if you are using contracted braille by doing space bar plus u for upper case and then just a dot 4. He plans an update with visual images for the braille cells in the near future and there are a couple of search things he needs to clean up, but it is a handy tool for a lot of my braille students. HTH, Richard From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.comhttp://googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone David, Do you tend to use contracted more than uncontracted Braille? Also I think I'm going to get one of those booklets that will help me remember how to make an at @ symbol etc. I never used computer Braille. In fact until a year ago or so I had not used Braille since I was in school which was a good while ago. :) I'm really looking to use my RefreshaBraille for more than just reading. :) On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:42 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.commailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: All braille displays work similarly with the iPhone. It is the iOS software which controls everything. The braille display is for viewing and the keyboard is for typing. Controls are more basic than with a braille note taker. I would be cautious about getting the HumanWare or vario displays. Connections can be more problematic do to the nature of the bluetooth driver stacks and controls in the HumanWare products. I have an Alva BC640 and a RefreshaBraille. Both work well with my iPhone. That said, I prefer the Refreshabraille because I can turn it on and off whilst my iPhone is unlocked and it connects and disconnects without difficulties. My Alva, on the other hand, requires that I lock my iPhone before I turn the Alva on. After the display is on, I unlock my iPhone and the Alva automatically connects. However, when I write in 8 dot computer braille, the Alva is easier because all 8 dots are in a row (40 cells gives more room for the keyboard). On the Refreshabraille, dots 7 and 8 are next to the spacebar, so harder to press dot 7 for capitalisation. National Braille Press, NBP, in the US has a braille brochure with the computer braille code. They also use to sell a book training on computer braille. In computer braille, the letters are the same, numbers are dropped to the lower part of the 6 dot cell (1 is dot 2, 2 is dots 2 3, 3 is dots 2 5, Etc.), and there are unique symbols for each punctuation mark. Upper-case letters are the same as lower-case letters with dot 7 added. I write computer braille at the same speed that I write contracted braille. For large files, I find my iPhone 4 does better in 8 dot mode rather than contracted braille mode. Also, in contracted braille mode, iOS has a half second buffer. If you stop writing for half a second, whatever is in the buffer is translated and written to the field. Braille entry works whenever the keyboard is activated. Also, almost everything VO speaks is simultaneously displayed in braille. I regularly take notes in braille during meetings with speech muted. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.commailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 17/09/2012, at 7:05, Amy Harris aharr...@gmail.commailto:aharr...@gmail.com wrote: Sharonda, thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the Essys 14 Kawal. I knew that if I asked here I could get REAL help. You know, useful help. *GRIN* I know that some braille displays are notetakers in and of themselves. That's not really what I need. I need something more along the lines of being able to turn off VoiceOver on my iDevice yet still use it through braille while in a meeting. Does that eliminate any of these devices? I'd also love a display that worked with iPhone apps like Pages, Messages, Notes, Mail, Reminders, my grocery list app, and so on. Does such a thing even exist, or does it all have to be done through the particular braille display's software? Amy -- You received
Re: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone
It does. I've ordered one but its on back order or they just haven't started shipping yet but it will do all that you've asked and more. On Sep 16, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Miranda B. knownofl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I haven’t seen this myself, but I am very interested in the Focus 14 from Freedom Scientific. From what I understand (someone please correct me if I’m wrong), this has the features you’ve mentioned that you’re looking for. In Christ, Miranda From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Harris Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Small braille keyboard/displays for iPhone Hi all, I’m looking at buying an iphone 5 as well as a braille keyboard/display. I need the keyboard/display to be in one single unit, to connect using bluetooth, to also work with my iPad 2, and to be very small/portable. I’ve been looking at the BraillePen 12 or the RefreshABraille 18, but I thought I’d ask if there were any others in that size range that might be worth looking at, and if there were any pros/cons to any of them. Does the list think that I should wait until IOS6 and/or the new iTunes come out before I purchase a braille display? Thanks for any quick thoughts on this subject. Amy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
