Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

2020-04-30 Thread Davy Cuppens 
The problem is back again I even restored network settings without help.

I notice when resetting network settings my bluetooth devices were still there, 
I thought they would disappear so that I could stabilise my bluetooth 
connection so network settings do not wipe out bluetooth connectivity devices 
settings I see?

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

I'm glad xseems to be sorting itself out. 
If pressing t tries to jump to a table it is because Quick Nav is on. Space+q 
toggles Quick Nav, and I think space+dot7+q is single quick nav.
Maybe it was on automatically if you were not actually editing, or it got 
turned on by mistake.
I will try it with uncontracted on and see if things behave differently.



Richard
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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Hi Richard 

  I never use contracted braille I know how to handle this but I never use this 
on pcs or smartphone applications.
  The weired thing now is, I am testing maybe for 10 minutes now and the 
problem got even worse. I went out of an edit field and got back again and 
typing the letter t prompted the sentense: no table found.
  I have been switching now between messages app and whatsapp and now suddenly 
after 15 minutes the iphone is acting as it should and I’ve had two times after 
deleting characters and composing words again, the feedback of VO stays normal.
  So there seems to be a huge unstability in my iphone going onn or what else?
  Davy 

  From: Richard Turner 
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:11 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

  Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and 
sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using 
contracted or uncontracted braille? 

  Richard
  Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
  www.turner42.com




On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


 OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and 
deleting still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. 
But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
This is curious to me. 
I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an 
email.
I will try it in notes.



Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com




  On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

  From: Richard Turner 
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report 
to Apple accessibility

  Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce 
the bug. 
  I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part 
of the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
  However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I 
have deleted the entire word.
  Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
  I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.



  Richard
  Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
  www.turner42.com




On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


 
Hi folks 

Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a 
text edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word 
and go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there 
is no way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I 
delete text I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when 
typing further on.
Regards
davy 
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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

2020-04-30 Thread Richard Turner 
I'm glad xseems to be sorting itself out.
If pressing t tries to jump to a table it is because Quick Nav is on. Space+q 
toggles Quick Nav, and I think space+dot7+q is single quick nav.
Maybe it was on automatically if you were not actually editing, or it got 
turned on by mistake.
I will try it with uncontracted on and see if things behave differently.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Hi Richard

I never use contracted braille I know how to handle this but I never use this 
on pcs or smartphone applications.
The weired thing now is, I am testing maybe for 10 minutes now and the problem 
got even worse. I went out of an edit field and got back again and typing the 
letter t prompted the sentense: no table found.
I have been switching now between messages app and whatsapp and now suddenly 
after 15 minutes the iphone is acting as it should and I’ve had two times after 
deleting characters and composing words again, the feedback of VO stays normal.
So there seems to be a huge unstability in my iphone going onn or what else?
Davy

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and 
sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using 
contracted or uncontracted braille?

Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting 
still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking.
But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
This is curious to me.
I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email.
I will try it in notes.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug.
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Hi folks

Please do the following using ios13.4.1

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on 
typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way 
to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I 
get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
Regards
davy
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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

2020-04-30 Thread Davy Cuppens 
Hi Richard 

I never use contracted braille I know how to handle this but I never use this 
on pcs or smartphone applications.
The weired thing now is, I am testing maybe for 10 minutes now and the problem 
got even worse. I went out of an edit field and got back again and typing the 
letter t prompted the sentense: no table found.
I have been switching now between messages app and whatsapp and now suddenly 
after 15 minutes the iphone is acting as it should and I’ve had two times after 
deleting characters and composing words again, the feedback of VO stays normal.
So there seems to be a huge unstability in my iphone going onn or what else?
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and 
sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using 
contracted or uncontracted braille? 

Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com




  On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


   OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and 
deleting still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. 
  But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
  This is curious to me. 
  I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
  But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email.
  I will try it in notes.



  Richard
  Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
  www.turner42.com




On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


 
Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce 
the bug. 
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part 
of the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.



Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com




  On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Hi folks 

  Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

  Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text 
edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
  Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and 
go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no 
way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text 
I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
  Regards
  davy 
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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

2020-04-30 Thread Davy Cuppens 
This ios is so crab Richard, everybody who reproduces bugs has other 
experiences. That is like ios11.0, most had no bugs but some had a bunch of 
them.
What I can reproduce is that on ios12 I haven’t had any of these annoyances so 
they are certainly tramendous bugs even if they are device specific on my 
iphone xr 64 gb.
davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting 
still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. 
But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
This is curious to me. 
I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email.
I will try it in notes.



Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com




  On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

  From: Richard Turner 
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

  Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug. 
  I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
  However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
  Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
  I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.



  Richard
  Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
  www.turner42.com




On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


 
Hi folks 

Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text 
edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and 
go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no 
way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text 
I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
Regards
davy 
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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

2020-04-30 Thread Richard Turner 
Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and 
sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using 
contracted or uncontracted braille?

Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting 
still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking.
But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
This is curious to me.
I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email.
I will try it in notes.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug.
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Hi folks

Please do the following using ios13.4.1

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on 
typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way 
to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I 
get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
Regards
davy
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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

2020-04-30 Thread Richard Turner 
OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting 
still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking.
But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
This is curious to me.
I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email.
I will try it in notes.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug.
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Hi folks

Please do the following using ios13.4.1

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on 
typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way 
to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I 
get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
Regards
davy
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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

2020-04-30 Thread Davy Cuppens 
Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug. 
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.



Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com




  On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Hi folks 

  Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

  Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
  Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go 
on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no 
way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text 
I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
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  davy 
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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

2020-04-30 Thread Richard Turner 
Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug.
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.


Richard
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On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Hi folks

Please do the following using ios13.4.1

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on 
typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way 
to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I 
get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
Regards
davy

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join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

2020-04-30 Thread Davy Cuppens 
Hi folks 

Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on 
typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way 
to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I 
get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
Regards
davy 

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