Would This Work?

[Brandon Olivares]

OK I’m sorry if this sounds silly, but I wanted to ask if anyone thinks this 
might work or might have a better idea.

I have two kittens. We give them these feeder balls where they have to roll 
them around to get the food out of them. It keeps them active and encourages 
their hunting instinct.

Well the problem is it’s always hard to find the balls so I can refill them 
with food.

I was thinking whether I could use an Apple Air Tag to somehow attach to the 
ball. Then I could make it play a noise so I could find exactly where it is.

I’m just not sure how I’d attach it. It looks like it might be big enough I 
thought maybe I could just put it right inside the ball, and I think the holes 
in the ball would be too small for it to fall out.

What do you think? Or do you have a better idea?

Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: Would This Work?

[Renee Patete]

I'd suggest putting a bell in it, one that is big enough that it won't fall 
out. And perhaps you could attach a piece of string to them or something so you 
can also find them more easily on the floor.  

> On 21/10/2023, at 02:38, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> 
> OK I’m sorry if this sounds silly, but I wanted to ask if anyone thinks this 
> might work or might have a better idea.
> 
> I have two kittens. We give them these feeder balls where they have to roll 
> them around to get the food out of them. It keeps them active and encourages 
> their hunting instinct.
> 
> Well the problem is it’s always hard to find the balls so I can refill them 
> with food.
> 
> I was thinking whether I could use an Apple Air Tag to somehow attach to the 
> ball. Then I could make it play a noise so I could find exactly where it is.
> 
> I’m just not sure how I’d attach it. It looks like it might be big enough I 
> thought maybe I could just put it right inside the ball, and I think the 
> holes in the ball would be too small for it to fall out.
> 
> What do you think? Or do you have a better idea?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: Would This Work?

[Brandon Olivares]

A bell won’t really work because I need to find it when it’s sitting still, 
after they’ve already used it.

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Renee Patete  wrote:
> 
> I'd suggest putting a bell in it, one that is big enough that it won't fall 
> out. And perhaps you could attach a piece of string to them or something so 
> you can also find them more easily on the floor.  
> 
>> On 21/10/2023, at 02:38, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
>> 
>> OK I’m sorry if this sounds silly, but I wanted to ask if anyone thinks 
>> this might work or might have a better idea.
>> 
>> I have two kittens. We give them these feeder balls where they have to roll 
>> them around to get the food out of them. It keeps them active and encourages 
>> their hunting instinct.
>> 
>> Well the problem is it’s always hard to find the balls so I can refill them 
>> with food.
>> 
>> I was thinking whether I could use an Apple Air Tag to somehow attach to the 
>> ball. Then I could make it play a noise so I could find exactly where it is.
>> 
>> I’m just not sure how I’d attach it. It looks like it might be big enough I 
>> thought maybe I could just put it right inside the ball, and I think the 
>> holes in the ball would be too small for it to fall out.
>> 
>> What do you think? Or do you have a better idea?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent Update

[Ron Canazzi]

Hi Group,

I  am wondering if anyone else is seeing this and if there is a fix.

For years now, when using the iPhone, when I double tap an edit field, I 
get the message: 'text field insertion point at start (sometimes 
insertion point at end.' I can then move down to a keyboard with 
standard QWERTY keys and a dictate button and enter/search/go button in 
the bottom right area.


I hadn't tried entering anything for a week or so and I noticed there 
had been an update to the IOS in the past few days.  Now when I double 
tap on an edit field, I no longer see a QWERTY type keyboard anywhere on 
screen for me to enter text.  There is a dictate button, but nothing else.


is this a bug introduced recently in the latest IOS update? How can I 
make the onscreen keyboard appear as it has for years? Thanks for any help.



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RE: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent Update

[Richard Turner]

Do you use any bluetooth keyboards, qwerty or braille?

If so, connect it and make sure the QuickNav is off before disconnecting the 
keyboard or braille display.

Disconnecting while QuickNav is on has left me in the same boat at times.
But since I made sure to turn QuickNav off before disconnecting, no problems 
have raised their ugly head.

HTH,

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Subject: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent Update

Hi Group,

I  am wondering if anyone else is seeing this and if there is a fix.

For years now, when using the iPhone, when I double tap an edit field, I get 
the message: 'text field insertion point at start (sometimes insertion point at 
end.' I can then move down to a keyboard with standard QWERTY keys and a 
dictate button and enter/search/go button in the bottom right area.

I hadn't tried entering anything for a week or so and I noticed there had been 
an update to the IOS in the past few days.  Now when I double tap on an edit 
field, I no longer see a QWERTY type keyboard anywhere on screen for me to 
enter text.  There is a dictate button, but nothing else.

is this a bug introduced recently in the latest IOS update? How can I make the 
onscreen keyboard appear as it has for years? Thanks for any help.


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Re: Would This Work?

[Ann Byrne]

I love the tag idea!  If you can fit the tag in 
the ball, it should work wondrously!
I spend a lot of time crawling around on the 
floor with my cane flat, looking for the stinkin' balls!

which are of course under the couch/chair/rug!
At 09:12 AM 10/20/2023, you wrote:
A bell won’t really work because I need to 
find it when it’s sitting still, after they’ve already used it.


> On Oct 20, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Renee Patete  wrote:
>
> I'd suggest putting a bell in it, one that is 
big enough that it won't fall out. And perhaps 
you could attach a piece of string to them or 
something so you can also find them more easily on the floor.

>
>> On 21/10/2023, at 02:38, Brandon Olivares 
 wrote:

>>
>> OK I’m sorry if this sounds silly, but 
I wanted to ask if anyone thinks this might work or might have a better idea.

>>
>> I have two kittens. We give them these 
feeder balls where they have to roll them 
around to get the food out of them. It keeps 
them active and encourages their hunting instinct.

>>
>> Well the problem is it’s always hard to 
find the balls so I can refill them with food.

>>
>> I was thinking whether I could use an Apple 
Air Tag to somehow attach to the ball. Then I 
could make it play a noise so I could find exactly where it is.

>>
>> I’m just not sure how I’d attach it. It 
looks like it might be big enough I thought 
maybe I could just put it right inside the 
ball, and I think the holes in the ball would be too small for it to fall out.

>>
>> What do you think? Or do you have a better idea?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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Re: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent Update

[Ron Canazzi]

Hi Richard,

Thanks much. I do indeed have a Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue Braille 
Display.  Now I have to figure out how to turn off quick NAV.  I am sure 
it's under settings somewhere.



On 10/20/2023 11:04 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Do you use any bluetooth keyboards, qwerty or braille?

If so, connect it and make sure the QuickNav is off before disconnecting the 
keyboard or braille display.

Disconnecting while QuickNav is on has left me in the same boat at times.
But since I made sure to turn QuickNav off before disconnecting, no problems 
have raised their ugly head.

HTH,

Richard, USA.
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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Subject: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent Update

Hi Group,

I  am wondering if anyone else is seeing this and if there is a fix.

For years now, when using the iPhone, when I double tap an edit field, I get 
the message: 'text field insertion point at start (sometimes insertion point at 
end.' I can then move down to a keyboard with standard QWERTY keys and a 
dictate button and enter/search/go button in the bottom right area.

I hadn't tried entering anything for a week or so and I noticed there had been 
an update to the IOS in the past few days.  Now when I double tap on an edit 
field, I no longer see a QWERTY type keyboard anywhere on screen for me to 
enter text.  There is a dictate button, but nothing else.

is this a bug introduced recently in the latest IOS update? How can I make the 
onscreen keyboard appear as it has for years? Thanks for any help.




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RE: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent Update

[Richard Turner]

Hi Ron,
Space+q is a toggle for QuickNav.
If you have VoiceOver set to speak QuickNav status it will tell you when it is 
on or off.
You want it off.
I believe that setting is under VoiceOver settings, Verbosity...




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Subject: Re: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent 
Update

Hi Richard,

Thanks much. I do indeed have a Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue Braille 
Display.  Now I have to figure out how to turn off quick NAV.  I am sure it's 
under settings somewhere.


On 10/20/2023 11:04 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
> Do you use any bluetooth keyboards, qwerty or braille?
>
> If so, connect it and make sure the QuickNav is off before disconnecting the 
> keyboard or braille display.
>
> Disconnecting while QuickNav is on has left me in the same boat at times.
> But since I made sure to turn QuickNav off before disconnecting, no problems 
> have raised their ugly head.
>
> HTH,
>
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the 
> Universe
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ron Canazzi
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 8:00 AM
> To: ViPhone List 
> Subject: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent 
> Update
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I  am wondering if anyone else is seeing this and if there is a fix.
>
> For years now, when using the iPhone, when I double tap an edit field, I get 
> the message: 'text field insertion point at start (sometimes insertion point 
> at end.' I can then move down to a keyboard with standard QWERTY keys and a 
> dictate button and enter/search/go button in the bottom right area.
>
> I hadn't tried entering anything for a week or so and I noticed there had 
> been an update to the IOS in the past few days.  Now when I double tap on an 
> edit field, I no longer see a QWERTY type keyboard anywhere on screen for me 
> to enter text.  There is a dictate button, but nothing else.
>
> is this a bug introduced recently in the latest IOS update? How can I make 
> the onscreen keyboard appear as it has for years? Thanks for any help.
>
>

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RE: Would This Work?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Those sound like better suggestions for the feeder balls. 

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I'd suggest putting a bell in it, one that is big enough that it won't fall 
out. And perhaps you could attach a piece of string to them or something so you 
can also find them more easily on the floor.  

> On 21/10/2023, at 02:38, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> 
> OK I’m sorry if this sounds silly, but I wanted to ask if anyone thinks this 
> might work or might have a better idea.
> 
> I have two kittens. We give them these feeder balls where they have to roll 
> them around to get the food out of them. It keeps them active and encourages 
> their hunting instinct.
> 
> Well the problem is it’s always hard to find the balls so I can refill them 
> with food.
> 
> I was thinking whether I could use an Apple Air Tag to somehow attach to the 
> ball. Then I could make it play a noise so I could find exactly where it is.
> 
> I’m just not sure how I’d attach it. It looks like it might be big enough I 
> thought maybe I could just put it right inside the ball, and I think the 
> holes in the ball would be too small for it to fall out.
> 
> What do you think? Or do you have a better idea?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Apple Watch 9 health results

[Fanus Buys]

Hello list
Are the results from the heart rate, ECG and blood oxygen meters
accessible with VoiceOver?
Regards
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RE: Would This Work?

[Carolyn Arnold]

The string would though. 

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Brandon Olivares
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 10:12 AM
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Subject: Re: Would This Work?

A bell won’t really work because I need to find it when it’s sitting still, 
after they’ve already used it.

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Renee Patete  wrote:
> 
> I'd suggest putting a bell in it, one that is big enough that it won't fall 
> out. And perhaps you could attach a piece of string to them or something so 
> you can also find them more easily on the floor.  
> 
>> On 21/10/2023, at 02:38, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
>> 
>> OK I’m sorry if this sounds silly, but I wanted to ask if anyone thinks 
>> this might work or might have a better idea.
>> 
>> I have two kittens. We give them these feeder balls where they have to roll 
>> them around to get the food out of them. It keeps them active and encourages 
>> their hunting instinct.
>> 
>> Well the problem is it’s always hard to find the balls so I can refill them 
>> with food.
>> 
>> I was thinking whether I could use an Apple Air Tag to somehow attach to the 
>> ball. Then I could make it play a noise so I could find exactly where it is.
>> 
>> I’m just not sure how I’d attach it. It looks like it might be big enough I 
>> thought maybe I could just put it right inside the ball, and I think the 
>> holes in the ball would be too small for it to fall out.
>> 
>> What do you think? Or do you have a better idea?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Brandon
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Re: Would This Work?

[Brandon Olivares]

Not unless it was a pretty long string, and then I’d be afraid of my cats 
getting tangled up in it. But a lot of times the ball is behind the TV or under 
the dresser, so it’d have to be a long string to be able to really make a 
difference.

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:32 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The string would though. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brandon Olivares
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 10:12 AM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Would This Work?
> 
> A bell won’t really work because I need to find it when it’s sitting still, 
> after they’ve already used it.
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Renee Patete  wrote:
>> 
>> I'd suggest putting a bell in it, one that is big enough that it won't fall 
>> out. And perhaps you could attach a piece of string to them or something so 
>> you can also find them more easily on the floor.  
>> 
>>> On 21/10/2023, at 02:38, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK I’m sorry if this sounds silly, but I wanted to ask if anyone thinks 
>>> this might work or might have a better idea.
>>> 
>>> I have two kittens. We give them these feeder balls where they have to roll 
>>> them around to get the food out of them. It keeps them active and 
>>> encourages their hunting instinct.
>>> 
>>> Well the problem is it’s always hard to find the balls so I can refill them 
>>> with food.
>>> 
>>> I was thinking whether I could use an Apple Air Tag to somehow attach to 
>>> the ball. Then I could make it play a noise so I could find exactly where 
>>> it is.
>>> 
>>> I’m just not sure how I’d attach it. It looks like it might be big enough I 
>>> thought maybe I could just put it right inside the ball, and I think the 
>>> holes in the ball would be too small for it to fall out.
>>> 
>>> What do you think? Or do you have a better idea?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brandon
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RE: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent Update

[Carolyn Arnold]

Where do you find Quick Nav status? I checked in Voiceover and did not find it. 

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Richard Turner
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Update

Hi Ron,
Space+q is a toggle for QuickNav.
If you have VoiceOver set to speak QuickNav status it will tell you when it is 
on or off.
You want it off.
I believe that setting is under VoiceOver settings, Verbosity...




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Update

Hi Richard,

Thanks much. I do indeed have a Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue Braille 
Display.  Now I have to figure out how to turn off quick NAV.  I am sure it's 
under settings somewhere.


On 10/20/2023 11:04 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
> Do you use any bluetooth keyboards, qwerty or braille?
>
> If so, connect it and make sure the QuickNav is off before disconnecting the 
> keyboard or braille display.
>
> Disconnecting while QuickNav is on has left me in the same boat at times.
> But since I made sure to turn QuickNav off before disconnecting, no problems 
> have raised their ugly head.
>
> HTH,
>
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch 
> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the 
> Universe
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
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> -Original Message-
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> Ron Canazzi
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 8:00 AM
> To: ViPhone List 
> Subject: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent 
> Update
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I  am wondering if anyone else is seeing this and if there is a fix.
>
> For years now, when using the iPhone, when I double tap an edit field, I get 
> the message: 'text field insertion point at start (sometimes insertion point 
> at end.' I can then move down to a keyboard with standard QWERTY keys and a 
> dictate button and enter/search/go button in the bottom right area.
>
> I hadn't tried entering anything for a week or so and I noticed there had 
> been an update to the IOS in the past few days.  Now when I double tap on an 
> edit field, I no longer see a QWERTY type keyboard anywhere on screen for me 
> to enter text.  There is a dictate button, but nothing else.
>
> is this a bug introduced recently in the latest IOS update? How can I make 
> the onscreen keyboard appear as it has for years? Thanks for any help.
>
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Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

[Les Kriegler]

Hi All,

I have been using a Logitech K380 with my Apple TV 4th Generation for about
two years. After going away for a couple weeks, when returning, that
keyboard no longer works. The arrows yield no response and the Return key
either does nothing or launches a different app that I am focused on. Since
my keyboard was out of warranty, I decided to purchase the K780 which I know
many use on this list. The same problems with unresponsive arrow keys are
present on that keyboard. On my iPhone, the return key does not activate an
app. Logitech says it is something Apple software modified. Is anybody
successfully using am Apple TV 4th Generation with either the K380 or K780?
If anyone can suggest another compatible keyboard, that would be
appreciated.

Best,

 

Les

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Setting up my 15 pro.

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi all. 
I'm trying to set up my new phone. I'm at the point where it says to bring the 
phones close together. They are... but my new phone isn't seeing the old one. 
Bluetooth is on. Any suggestions? 
Thanks.
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Re: Apple Watch 9 health results

[Wayne Merritt]

Yes, they are. You will have to go into the Health app on your iPhone
or iPad in order to view the results. You may be able to view results
from the apps or complications on your Series 9 watch, but I have
gotten more information on my iPhone, not to mention had an easier
time navigating the larger screen.

Good luck,
Wayne

On 10/20/23, Fanus Buys  wrote:
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> Are the results from the heart rate, ECG and blood oxygen meters
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> Regards
> Fanus
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System sounds lower in iOS 17

[Wayne Merritt]

Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the
volume of the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For whatever
reason, my system and notification sounds seem to be lower than the
VoiceOver sounds. I have my sound and alert volume set fairly high, so
that I can hear my alarms when they go off, but I'm still having
trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the swish noise when a
text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the sound volume is
lower for the default notification sounds. In that case though I have
my phone set to vibrate along with making the sound. Is there a
setting I can adjust to raise the volume? For the record, I'm running
iOS 17.0.3.

Warmly,
Wayne

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Re: Setting up my 15 pro.

[Richard Turner]

You have to have the camera of one facing the screen of the other one. It has 
been two years since I did this, so I'm not sure if the new phone camera needs 
to see the screen of the old one or the other way around. 


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> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
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> I'm trying to set up my new phone. I'm at the point where it says to bring 
> the phones close together. They are... but my new phone isn't seeing the old 
> one. Bluetooth is on. Any suggestions?
> Thanks.
> Jen.
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Re: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent Update

[Richard Turner]

As I said, in my original note, it is under voiceover settings for verbosity. 
Here is what mine shows currently.

QuickNav Announcements Speak, Change Pitch



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> On Oct 20, 2023, at 9:40 AM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Where do you find Quick Nav status? I checked in Voiceover and did not find 
> it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 12:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent 
> Update
> 
> Hi Ron,
> Space+q is a toggle for QuickNav.
> If you have VoiceOver set to speak QuickNav status it will tell you when it 
> is on or off.
> You want it off.
> I believe that setting is under VoiceOver settings, Verbosity...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
> Canazzi
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 9:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent 
> Update
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> Thanks much. I do indeed have a Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue Braille 
> Display.  Now I have to figure out how to turn off quick NAV.  I am sure it's 
> under settings somewhere.
> 
> 
>> On 10/20/2023 11:04 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>> Do you use any bluetooth keyboards, qwerty or braille?
>> 
>> If so, connect it and make sure the QuickNav is off before disconnecting the 
>> keyboard or braille display.
>> 
>> Disconnecting while QuickNav is on has left me in the same boat at times.
>> But since I made sure to turn QuickNav off before disconnecting, no problems 
>> have raised their ugly head.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
>> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the
>> Universe
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Ron Canazzi
>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 8:00 AM
>> To: ViPhone List 
>> Subject: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent
>> Update
>> 
>> Hi Group,
>> 
>> I  am wondering if anyone else is seeing this and if there is a fix.
>> 
>> For years now, when using the iPhone, when I double tap an edit field, I get 
>> the message: 'text field insertion point at start (sometimes insertion point 
>> at end.' I can then move down to a keyboard with standard QWERTY keys and a 
>> dictate button and enter/search/go button in the bottom right area.
>> 
>> I hadn't tried entering anything for a week or so and I noticed there had 
>> been an update to the IOS in the past few days.  Now when I double tap on an 
>> edit field, I no longer see a QWERTY type keyboard anywhere on screen for me 
>> to enter text.  There is a dictate button, but nothing else.
>> 
>> is this a bug introduced recently in the latest IOS update? How can I make 
>> the onscreen keyboard appear as it has for years? Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Setting up my 15 pro.

[Alan Lemly]

Also, the couple of times I've done this, you can keep swiping to get to a 
manual option for doing a phone to phone transfer and you'll be sent a code on 
one phone to input into the other phone. I always prefer doing this transfer 
manually. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Richard Turner  
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> 
> You have to have the camera of one facing the screen of the other one. It 
> has been two years since I did this, so I'm not sure if the new phone camera 
> needs to see the screen of the old one or the other way around. 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA 
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> 
>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> I'm trying to set up my new phone. I'm at the point where it says to bring 
>> the phones close together. They are... but my new phone isn't seeing the old 
>> one. Bluetooth is on. Any suggestions?
>> Thanks.
>> Jen.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17

[Lisa Belville]

What's your VO volume set to?  Try adjusting that instead of your 
notification sounds, or try picking another sound for mail.  I went back 
to the old text tri-tone because the sound iOS 17 used was not very 
loud, even with my alert volume set high.




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On 10/20/2023 2:57 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:

Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the
volume of the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For whatever
reason, my system and notification sounds seem to be lower than the
VoiceOver sounds. I have my sound and alert volume set fairly high, so
that I can hear my alarms when they go off, but I'm still having
trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the swish noise when a
text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the sound volume is
lower for the default notification sounds. In that case though I have
my phone set to vibrate along with making the sound. Is there a
setting I can adjust to raise the volume? For the record, I'm running
iOS 17.0.3.

Warmly,
Wayne



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Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17

[Wayne Merritt]

My VoiceOver volume is at 100% and my system volume is 80%.

Wayne

On 10/20/23, Lisa Belville  wrote:
> What's your VO volume set to?  Try adjusting that instead of your
> notification sounds, or try picking another sound for mail.  I went back
> to the old text tri-tone because the sound iOS 17 used was not very
> loud, even with my alert volume set high.
>
>
>
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>
> On 10/20/2023 2:57 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
>> Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the
>> volume of the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For whatever
>> reason, my system and notification sounds seem to be lower than the
>> VoiceOver sounds. I have my sound and alert volume set fairly high, so
>> that I can hear my alarms when they go off, but I'm still having
>> trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the swish noise when a
>> text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the sound volume is
>> lower for the default notification sounds. In that case though I have
>> my phone set to vibrate along with making the sound. Is there a
>> setting I can adjust to raise the volume? For the record, I'm running
>> iOS 17.0.3.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Wayne
>>
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Re: Setting up my 15 pro.

[Gerardo Corripio]

Exactly what I was going to say: do the manual option; it hasn't failed over 
the 2 or 3 transfers I've gone through over the years. Good luck!
Gera
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> El 20 oct 2023, a la(s) 2:12 p.m., Alan Lemly  escribió:
> 
> Also, the couple of times I've done this, you can keep swiping to get to a 
> manual option for doing a phone to phone transfer and you'll be sent a code 
> on one phone to input into the other phone. I always prefer doing this 
> transfer manually.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You have to have the camera of one facing the screen of the other one. It 
>> has been two years since I did this, so I'm not sure if the new phone camera 
>> needs to see the screen of the old one or the other way around.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> ——
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>> 
 On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> I'm trying to set up my new phone. I'm at the point where it says to bring 
>>> the phones close together. They are... but my new phone isn't seeing the 
>>> old one. Bluetooth is on. Any suggestions?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Jen.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17

[Lisa Belville]

Wayne, I have my alert sounds at 100% and I play haptics with sounds.  I 
don't like doing this way, it makes me think I'm losing my hearing.  But 
I've missed notifications before.  Never a call, because it seems like 
the phone ringers haven't decreased in volume, but in particular, the 
default tones for in coming texts and push notifications doesn't seem to 
be as loud as with previous versions of iOS, so if the phone is across 
the room and I get a text, I at least have the vibration sound to fall 
back on.



I currently have my VO volume set to 40%, but volume is in my rotor, so 
I can easily adjust it either through the rotor or with the side button.



Unfortunately, I don't have a better solution.





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On 10/20/2023 3:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:

My VoiceOver volume is at 100% and my system volume is 80%.

Wayne

On 10/20/23, Lisa Belville  wrote:

What's your VO volume set to?  Try adjusting that instead of your
notification sounds, or try picking another sound for mail.  I went back
to the old text tri-tone because the sound iOS 17 used was not very
loud, even with my alert volume set high.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 10/20/2023 2:57 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:

Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the
volume of the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For whatever
reason, my system and notification sounds seem to be lower than the
VoiceOver sounds. I have my sound and alert volume set fairly high, so
that I can hear my alarms when they go off, but I'm still having
trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the swish noise when a
text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the sound volume is
lower for the default notification sounds. In that case though I have
my phone set to vibrate along with making the sound. Is there a
setting I can adjust to raise the volume? For the record, I'm running
iOS 17.0.3.

Warmly,
Wayne


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RE: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

[chrisjudge1967]

I’m having the same issue ever since updating to the latest TV OS. I sure hope 
someone has a solution because it’s driving me batty. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Logitech Keyboard and Apple TV 4th Generation

 

Hi All,

I have been using a Logitech K380 with my Apple TV 4th Generation for about two 
years. After going away for a couple weeks, when returning, that keyboard no 
longer works. The arrows yield no response and the Return key either does 
nothing or launches a different app that I am focused on. Since my keyboard was 
out of warranty, I decided to purchase the K780 which I know many use on this 
list. The same problems with unresponsive arrow keys are present on that 
keyboard. On my iPhone, the return key does not activate an app. Logitech says 
it is something Apple software modified. Is anybody successfully using am Apple 
TV 4th Generation with either the K380 or K780?  If anyone can suggest another 
compatible keyboard, that would be appreciated.

Best,

 

Les

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Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17

[Robert Doc Wright]

Lisa which text tone do you prefer: I can record it and make it louder for 
you then you can ad it like a ring tone and use it for text.
- Original Message - 
From: "Lisa Belville" 
To: ; "Wayne Merritt" 
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17


Wayne, I have my alert sounds at 100% and I play haptics with sounds. I
don't like doing this way, it makes me think I'm losing my hearing. But
I've missed notifications before. Never a call, because it seems like
the phone ringers haven't decreased in volume, but in particular, the
default tones for in coming texts and push notifications doesn't seem to
be as loud as with previous versions of iOS, so if the phone is across
the room and I get a text, I at least have the vibration sound to fall
back on.


I currently have my VO volume set to 40%, but volume is in my rotor, so
I can easily adjust it either through the rotor or with the side button.


Unfortunately, I don't have a better solution.





Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 10/20/2023 3:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
> My VoiceOver volume is at 100% and my system volume is 80%.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 10/20/23, Lisa Belville  wrote:
>> What's your VO volume set to? Try adjusting that instead of your
>> notification sounds, or try picking another sound for mail. I went back
>> to the old text tri-tone because the sound iOS 17 used was not very
>> loud, even with my alert volume set high.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>>
>> On 10/20/2023 2:57 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
>>> Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the
>>> volume of the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For whatever
>>> reason, my system and notification sounds seem to be lower than the
>>> VoiceOver sounds. I have my sound and alert volume set fairly high, so
>>> that I can hear my alarms when they go off, but I'm still having
>>> trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the swish noise when a
>>> text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the sound volume is
>>> lower for the default notification sounds. In that case though I have
>>> my phone set to vibrate along with making the sound. Is there a
>>> setting I can adjust to raise the volume? For the record, I'm running
>>> iOS 17.0.3.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Wayne
>>>
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Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17

[Matt White]

This is a bug that seems to have been fixed with iOS 17.1.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 19:12, Robert Doc Wright  
> wrote:
> 
> Lisa which text tone do you prefer: I can record it and make it louder for
> you then you can ad it like a ring tone and use it for text.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lisa Belville" 
> To: ; "Wayne Merritt" 
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 3:48 PM
> Subject: Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17
> 
> 
> Wayne, I have my alert sounds at 100% and I play haptics with sounds. I
> don't like doing this way, it makes me think I'm losing my hearing. But
> I've missed notifications before. Never a call, because it seems like
> the phone ringers haven't decreased in volume, but in particular, the
> default tones for in coming texts and push notifications doesn't seem to
> be as loud as with previous versions of iOS, so if the phone is across
> the room and I get a text, I at least have the vibration sound to fall
> back on.
> 
> 
> I currently have my VO volume set to 40%, but volume is in my rotor, so
> I can easily adjust it either through the rotor or with the side button.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't have a better solution.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
>> On 10/20/2023 3:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
>> My VoiceOver volume is at 100% and my system volume is 80%.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 10/20/23, Lisa Belville  wrote:
>>> What's your VO volume set to? Try adjusting that instead of your
>>> notification sounds, or try picking another sound for mail. I went back
>>> to the old text tri-tone because the sound iOS 17 used was not very
>>> loud, even with my alert volume set high.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>>> 
>>> On 10/20/2023 2:57 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
 Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the
 volume of the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For whatever
 reason, my system and notification sounds seem to be lower than the
 VoiceOver sounds. I have my sound and alert volume set fairly high, so
 that I can hear my alarms when they go off, but I'm still having
 trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the swish noise when a
 text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the sound volume is
 lower for the default notification sounds. In that case though I have
 my phone set to vibrate along with making the sound. Is there a
 setting I can adjust to raise the volume? For the record, I'm running
 iOS 17.0.3.
 
 Warmly,
 Wayne
 
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RE: Setting up my 15 pro.

[Carolyn Arnold]

It stands to reason that you would have the new phone camera facing the screen 
of the old phone. 

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Alan Lemly
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 4:12 PM
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Subject: Re: Setting up my 15 pro.

Also, the couple of times I've done this, you can keep swiping to get to a 
manual option for doing a phone to phone transfer and you'll be sent a code on 
one phone to input into the other phone. I always prefer doing this transfer 
manually. 

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> You have to have the camera of one facing the screen of the other one. It 
> has been two years since I did this, so I'm not sure if the new phone camera 
> needs to see the screen of the old one or the other way around. 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John 
> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> I'm trying to set up my new phone. I'm at the point where it says to bring 
>> the phones close together. They are... but my new phone isn't seeing the old 
>> one. Bluetooth is on. Any suggestions?
>> Thanks.
>> Jen.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: System sounds lower in iOS 17

[Carolyn Arnold]

I have Descend set for my messages. It is loud, and with my hearing problem, it 
serves me well. I am not as concerned about emails as I am texts, because I 
prefer using my computer for them. 

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Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 4:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17

What's your VO volume set to?  Try adjusting that instead of your notification 
sounds, or try picking another sound for mail.  I went back to the old text 
tri-tone because the sound iOS 17 used was not very loud, even with my alert 
volume set high.



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 10/20/2023 2:57 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
> Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the 
> volume of the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For whatever 
> reason, my system and notification sounds seem to be lower than the 
> VoiceOver sounds. I have my sound and alert volume set fairly high, so 
> that I can hear my alarms when they go off, but I'm still having 
> trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the swish noise when a 
> text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the sound volume is 
> lower for the default notification sounds. In that case though I have 
> my phone set to vibrate along with making the sound. Is there a 
> setting I can adjust to raise the volume? For the record, I'm running 
> iOS 17.0.3.
>
> Warmly,
> Wayne
>

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RE: System sounds lower in iOS 17

[Carolyn Arnold]

When is 17.1 going to be available? I am waiting for it to update from 16.6.1. 

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Matt White
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 7:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17

This is a bug that seems to have been fixed with iOS 17.1.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 19:12, Robert Doc Wright  
> wrote:
> 
> Lisa which text tone do you prefer: I can record it and make it 
> louder for you then you can ad it like a ring tone and use it for text.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lisa Belville" 
> To: ; "Wayne Merritt" 
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 3:48 PM
> Subject: Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17
> 
> 
> Wayne, I have my alert sounds at 100% and I play haptics with sounds. 
> I don't like doing this way, it makes me think I'm losing my hearing. 
> But I've missed notifications before. Never a call, because it seems 
> like the phone ringers haven't decreased in volume, but in particular, 
> the default tones for in coming texts and push notifications doesn't 
> seem to be as loud as with previous versions of iOS, so if the phone 
> is across the room and I get a text, I at least have the vibration 
> sound to fall back on.
> 
> 
> I currently have my VO volume set to 40%, but volume is in my rotor, 
> so I can easily adjust it either through the rotor or with the side button.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't have a better solution.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
>> On 10/20/2023 3:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
>> My VoiceOver volume is at 100% and my system volume is 80%.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 10/20/23, Lisa Belville  wrote:
>>> What's your VO volume set to? Try adjusting that instead of your 
>>> notification sounds, or try picking another sound for mail. I went 
>>> back to the old text tri-tone because the sound iOS 17 used was not 
>>> very loud, even with my alert volume set high.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>>> 
>>> On 10/20/2023 2:57 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
 Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the 
 volume of the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For 
 whatever reason, my system and notification sounds seem to be lower 
 than the VoiceOver sounds. I have my sound and alert volume set 
 fairly high, so that I can hear my alarms when they go off, but I'm 
 still having trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the swish 
 noise when a text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the 
 sound volume is lower for the default notification sounds. In that 
 case though I have my phone set to vibrate along with making the 
 sound. Is there a setting I can adjust to raise the volume? For the 
 record, I'm running iOS 17.0.3.
 
 Warmly,
 Wayne
 
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Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17

[Julian]

iOS 17.1 should be coming up next week. The release candidate was made 
available earlier this week so barring any showstoppers, everybody should be 
getting it sometime early next week.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 4:54 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> When is 17.1 going to be available? I am waiting for it to update from 
> 16.6.1.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Matt White
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 7:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17
> 
> This is a bug that seems to have been fixed with iOS 17.1.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 19:12, Robert Doc Wright  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Lisa which text tone do you prefer: I can record it and make it
>> louder for you then you can ad it like a ring tone and use it for text.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Lisa Belville" 
>> To: ; "Wayne Merritt" 
>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 3:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17
>> 
>> 
>> Wayne, I have my alert sounds at 100% and I play haptics with sounds.
>> I don't like doing this way, it makes me think I'm losing my hearing.
>> But I've missed notifications before. Never a call, because it seems
>> like the phone ringers haven't decreased in volume, but in particular,
>> the default tones for in coming texts and push notifications doesn't
>> seem to be as loud as with previous versions of iOS, so if the phone
>> is across the room and I get a text, I at least have the vibration
>> sound to fall back on.
>> 
>> 
>> I currently have my VO volume set to 40%, but volume is in my rotor,
>> so I can easily adjust it either through the rotor or with the side button.
>> 
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I don't have a better solution.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>> 
 On 10/20/2023 3:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
>>> My VoiceOver volume is at 100% and my system volume is 80%.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
 On 10/20/23, Lisa Belville  wrote:
 What's your VO volume set to? Try adjusting that instead of your
 notification sounds, or try picking another sound for mail. I went
 back to the old text tri-tone because the sound iOS 17 used was not
 very loud, even with my alert volume set high.
 
 
 
 Lisa Belville
 missktlab1...@frontier.com
 
 On 10/20/2023 2:57 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
> Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the
> volume of the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For
> whatever reason, my system and notification sounds seem to be lower
> than the VoiceOver sounds. I have my sound and alert volume set
> fairly high, so that I can hear my alarms when they go off, but I'm
> still having trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the swish
> noise when a text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the
> sound volume is lower for the default notification sounds. In that
> case though I have my phone set to vibrate along with making the
> sound. Is there a setting I can adjust to raise the volume? For the
> record, I'm running iOS 17.0.3.
> 
> Warmly,
> Wayne
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RE: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

1.
Using the eSIM generator app from T-Mobile, I easily created and setup a 
secondary number on my beloved 14.  I must admit the process was remarkably 
simple and completely VoiceOver accessible.

2.
I am truly impressed with the customization that is available when multiple 
eSIM cards are active on iPhone.

3.
Cory, you mentioned that you can set a default ring tone for each eSIM number.  
Using the instructions you listed in a previous post, I do not see an option to 
select which telephone number will be set as the default ring tone for a number.

What OS are you running on your phone?  I am currently running iOS 16.7.

If you can provide more detailed steps on how to select a default ringtone for 
each number, I would greatly appreciate it.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cory 
Jackson
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 7:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

Hi,
I don’t know if you can assign a different ring to all five. However, if you 
open settings and sounds and choose ringtone or text tone, there will be a 
setting for primary and secondary.
Regards:
Cory Jackson

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2023, at 8:17 PM, Mark Brett  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I have five providers in my handset, all of them work well, but how do 
> you get each provider to ring differently and give you a different message 
> alert tone?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> 
> Mark Brett
> 
> Email markbr...@gmail.com
> Mobile +44739199
> Phone 08432086070
> 
> On 19 Oct 2023, at 16:27, Cory Jackson  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am currently using 2 ESims on my iPhone 14.
> 
> You can have them both active at once. They are from 2 different providers. 
> You can program them both to ring differently and play different message 
> alert tones. I can see both connections at the top.
> 
> It is working very well.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Cory Jackson
> 
> 
>> On 10/18/2023 1:21 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Is anyone currently using two eSIM cards on an iPhone?  You know, 
>> using one telephone number as a primary and a second number as a secondary 
>> number?
>> 
>> If so, how is that working for you?
>> 
>> Also, If you do have 2 eSIM cards currently installed, are they from 
>> different wireless providers?
>> 
>> All replies greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
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RE: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

[M. Taylor]

Hello William,

Assuming one wishes to use multiple eSIM cards from the same wireless provider, 
or its subsidiary, then a phone does not need to be unlocked.

However, if one wishes to use multiple eSIM cards from non-partnered wireless 
providers, then the phone needs to be completely unlocked.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
James
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

I have an iPhone from T-Mobile.  Yes, it is locked but what I’ve done is use a 
service called Digits.  It is from T-Mobile and costs ten bucks a month.  I use 
this for my mobile number for my job.  I also use it to give out to those who I 
don’t want having my private number.

Sent from my iPad Air 5

> On Oct 19, 2023, at 2:40 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My phone was locked with AT&T, because of a deal that they offered on my 
> iPhone 14 Pro.
> 
> So, when I moved to a more rural area, and AT&T did not provide adequate 
> coverage, I had to change to Verizon, which involved:
> 
> 1. Paying off my 14 Pro.
> 2. Getting AT&T to unlock my phone.
> 3. Getting AT&T to give my phone number clearance for porting to Verizon.
> 
> It took about 24 to 48 hours for each step to be cleared, but I now have 
> Verizon with adequate coverage and good quality phone calls, which I did not 
> have here with AT&T.
> 
> I will say that AT&T was very cooperative.
> 
> I got a text from Visa, wanting to make sure it was a valid withdrawal to pay 
> off the phone, and they asked three security questions:
> 
> Give my birth date in two digits.
> 
> Give the middle two digits of my Social Security Number
> 
> I forget the third security question, but I texted them all back 
> satisfactorily.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 12:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?
> 
> Hello Kathy,
> 
> If you have a phone which is locked to AT&T then you will not be able to have 
> a second SIM in the phone from a different provider.
> I am in Canada, but do carriers in the United States even still lock phones 
> these days?
> Here in Canada that has been illegal for some years now and it's really a 
> mute point since a locked phone does nothing to force you to stay with one 
> carrier; contracts do that. If you buy an iPhone for example from AT&T and 
> you have a contract in place where you pay a certain amount each months to 
> pay off the phone, then you can't really leave that obligation whether the 
> phone is locked or not unless you paid out whatever balance is remaining.
> I also understood that even if you are in a contract of some sort in the past 
> and you had your phone for a certain amount of time, like 3 or 6 months, you 
> could then request for the phone to be unlocked. Locking phones is the most 
> ridiculous thing a carrier can do if they in fact still do it given how many 
> people want to travel these days and potentially use a SIM from a provider in 
> a different country for a few weeks.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kathy Brandt
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 9:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: M. Taylor 
> Subject: Re: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?
> 
> I had asked yesterday: does the phone have to be unlocked in order for you to 
> use two cards like that?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Cory Jackson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am currently using 2 ESims on my iPhone 14.
>> 
>> You can have them both active at once. They are from 2 different providers. 
>> You can program them both to ring differently and play different message 
>> alert tones. I can see both connections at the top.
>> 
>> It is working very well.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Cory Jackson
>> 
>> 
 On 10/18/2023 1:21 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Is anyone currently using two eSIM cards on an iPhone?  You know, 
>>> using one telephone number as a primary and a second number as a secondary 
>>> number?
>>> 
>>> If so, how is that working for you?
>>> 
>>> Also, If you do have 2 eSIM cards currently installed, are they from 
>>> different wireless providers?
>>> 
>>> All replies greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Would This Work?

[Donna Casteen]

Instead of using the feeder balls for exercise, have you considered using a 
remote control feeder mouse? Or a laser light pointer? We have a 3yr old Red 
Tip siamese who loves chasing his remote control mouse. I'm able to find the 
mouse when he is finished playing by pressing the buttons on the remote & 
following the sound. Of course, both of these toy suggestions require you to be 
an active play participant.

Donna
> 
> Not unless it was a pretty long string, and then I’d be afraid of my cats 
> getting tangled up in it. But a lot of times the ball is behind the TV or 
> under the dresser, so it’d have to be a long string to be able to really make 
> a difference.
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:32 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The string would though. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Brandon Olivares
>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 10:12 AM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Re: Would This Work?
>> 
>> A bell won’t really work because I need to find it when it’s sitting still, 
>> after they’ve already used it.
>> 
 On Oct 20, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Renee Patete  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'd suggest putting a bell in it, one that is big enough that it won't fall 
>>> out. And perhaps you could attach a piece of string to them or something so 
>>> you can also find them more easily on the floor.  
>>> 
 On 21/10/2023, at 02:38, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
 
 OK I’m sorry if this sounds silly, but I wanted to ask if anyone thinks 
 this might work or might have a better idea.
 
 I have two kittens. We give them these feeder balls where they have to 
 roll them around to get the food out of them. It keeps them active and 
 encourages their hunting instinct.
 
 Well the problem is it’s always hard to find the balls so I can refill 
 them with food.
 
 I was thinking whether I could use an Apple Air Tag to somehow attach to 
 the ball. Then I could make it play a noise so I could find exactly where 
 it is.
 
 I’m just not sure how I’d attach it. It looks like it might be big enough 
 I thought maybe I could just put it right inside the ball, and I think the 
 holes in the ball would be too small for it to fall out.
 
 What do you think? Or do you have a better idea?
 
 Thanks,
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RE: System sounds lower in iOS 17

[M. Taylor]

Hello Wayne,

I don't know if this will help but it is certainly a good place to start.

>From the Settings menu:

1.
Select Face ID and Passcode.

2.
Toggle "Attention Aware Features" to off.

3.
Return to the previous screen and then reboot your device.

Wayne, be certain that you select Attention aware features.  This is a separate 
setting from the require Face ID attention toggle.

I hope this helps.

Mark

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Merritt
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 12:57 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: System sounds lower in iOS 17

Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the volume of 
the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For whatever reason, my system 
and notification sounds seem to be lower than the VoiceOver sounds. I have my 
sound and alert volume set fairly high, so that I can hear my alarms when they 
go off, but I'm still having trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the 
swish noise when a text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the sound 
volume is lower for the default notification sounds. In that case though I have 
my phone set to vibrate along with making the sound. Is there a setting I can 
adjust to raise the volume? For the record, I'm running iOS 17.0.3.

Warmly,
Wayne

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Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17

[Matt White]

If you are still running 16.6, I wonder if your phone is maybe not supported 
with iOS 17.
What model phone do you have?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 19:54, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> When is 17.1 going to be available? I am waiting for it to update from 
> 16.6.1.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Matt White
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 7:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17
> 
> This is a bug that seems to have been fixed with iOS 17.1.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 19:12, Robert Doc Wright  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Lisa which text tone do you prefer: I can record it and make it
>> louder for you then you can ad it like a ring tone and use it for text.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Lisa Belville" 
>> To: ; "Wayne Merritt" 
>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 3:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17
>> 
>> 
>> Wayne, I have my alert sounds at 100% and I play haptics with sounds.
>> I don't like doing this way, it makes me think I'm losing my hearing.
>> But I've missed notifications before. Never a call, because it seems
>> like the phone ringers haven't decreased in volume, but in particular,
>> the default tones for in coming texts and push notifications doesn't
>> seem to be as loud as with previous versions of iOS, so if the phone
>> is across the room and I get a text, I at least have the vibration
>> sound to fall back on.
>> 
>> 
>> I currently have my VO volume set to 40%, but volume is in my rotor,
>> so I can easily adjust it either through the rotor or with the side button.
>> 
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I don't have a better solution.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>> 
 On 10/20/2023 3:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
>>> My VoiceOver volume is at 100% and my system volume is 80%.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
 On 10/20/23, Lisa Belville  wrote:
 What's your VO volume set to? Try adjusting that instead of your
 notification sounds, or try picking another sound for mail. I went
 back to the old text tri-tone because the sound iOS 17 used was not
 very loud, even with my alert volume set high.
 
 
 
 Lisa Belville
 missktlab1...@frontier.com
 
 On 10/20/2023 2:57 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
> Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the
> volume of the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For
> whatever reason, my system and notification sounds seem to be lower
> than the VoiceOver sounds. I have my sound and alert volume set
> fairly high, so that I can hear my alarms when they go off, but I'm
> still having trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the swish
> noise when a text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the
> sound volume is lower for the default notification sounds. In that
> case though I have my phone set to vibrate along with making the
> sound. Is there a setting I can adjust to raise the volume? For the
> record, I'm running iOS 17.0.3.
> 
> Warmly,
> Wayne
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Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17

[Gerardo Corripio]

Supposedly this coming Monday, the 24th of October, according to a recent 
article in "Mac Rumors".
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 20 oct 2023, a la(s) 5:54 p.m., Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> 
> escribió:
> 
> When is 17.1 going to be available? I am waiting for it to update from 
> 16.6.1.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Matt White
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 7:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17
> 
> This is a bug that seems to have been fixed with iOS 17.1.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 19:12, Robert Doc Wright  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Lisa which text tone do you prefer: I can record it and make it
>> louder for you then you can ad it like a ring tone and use it for text.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Lisa Belville" 
>> To: ; "Wayne Merritt" 
>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 3:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17
>> 
>> 
>> Wayne, I have my alert sounds at 100% and I play haptics with sounds.
>> I don't like doing this way, it makes me think I'm losing my hearing.
>> But I've missed notifications before. Never a call, because it seems
>> like the phone ringers haven't decreased in volume, but in particular,
>> the default tones for in coming texts and push notifications doesn't
>> seem to be as loud as with previous versions of iOS, so if the phone
>> is across the room and I get a text, I at least have the vibration
>> sound to fall back on.
>> 
>> 
>> I currently have my VO volume set to 40%, but volume is in my rotor,
>> so I can easily adjust it either through the rotor or with the side button.
>> 
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I don't have a better solution.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Lisa Belville
>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>> 
 On 10/20/2023 3:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
>>> My VoiceOver volume is at 100% and my system volume is 80%.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
 On 10/20/23, Lisa Belville  wrote:
 What's your VO volume set to? Try adjusting that instead of your
 notification sounds, or try picking another sound for mail. I went
 back to the old text tri-tone because the sound iOS 17 used was not
 very loud, even with my alert volume set high.
 
 
 
 Lisa Belville
 missktlab1...@frontier.com
 
 On 10/20/2023 2:57 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
> Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the
> volume of the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For
> whatever reason, my system and notification sounds seem to be lower
> than the VoiceOver sounds. I have my sound and alert volume set
> fairly high, so that I can hear my alarms when they go off, but I'm
> still having trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the swish
> noise when a text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the
> sound volume is lower for the default notification sounds. In that
> case though I have my phone set to vibrate along with making the
> sound. Is there a setting I can adjust to raise the volume? For the
> record, I'm running iOS 17.0.3.
> 
> Warmly,
> Wayne
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RE: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent Update

[Debbie April Yuille]

Hi Ron

I've had that problem too. What you need to do, is put your cursor in the text 
area like usual. Then, while keeping your finger in that area, turn voice over 
off then with your finger, do a long press, hopefully when you then turn voice 
over back on, your keyboard should be there.

Hth
Debbie

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Subject: Onscreen Keyboard Does Not Show Up On my iPhones since Recent Update

Hi Group,

I  am wondering if anyone else is seeing this and if there is a fix.

For years now, when using the iPhone, when I double tap an edit field, I get 
the message: 'text field insertion point at start (sometimes insertion point at 
end.' I can then move down to a keyboard with standard QWERTY keys and a 
dictate button and enter/search/go button in the bottom right area.

I hadn't tried entering anything for a week or so and I noticed there had been 
an update to the IOS in the past few days.  Now when I double tap on an edit 
field, I no longer see a QWERTY type keyboard anywhere on screen for me to 
enter text.  There is a dictate button, but nothing else.

is this a bug introduced recently in the latest IOS update? How can I make the 
onscreen keyboard appear as it has for years? Thanks for any help.


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RE: Apple Watch 9 health results

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, and you do have a Health app on the watch.


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Hello list
Are the results from the heart rate, ECG and blood oxygen meters accessible 
with VoiceOver?
Regards
Fanus

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RE: Apple Watch 9 health results

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can even set heart rate as one of your complications and then it's always 
there on your watch face.


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Hello list
Are the results from the heart rate, ECG and blood oxygen meters accessible 
with VoiceOver?
Regards
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RE: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And these days that is so terrible and I really wonder what good they think it 
does.
Glad our government put a stop to this many years ago now.

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hudson
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Hello, T-Mobile, and AT&T, are the only ones that still sell locked phones

> On Oct 19, 2023, at 11:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hello Kathy,
> 
> If you have a phone which is locked to AT&T then you will not be able to have 
> a second SIM in the phone from a different provider.
> I am in Canada, but do carriers in the United States even still lock phones 
> these days?
> Here in Canada that has been illegal for some years now and it's really a 
> mute point since a locked phone does nothing to force you to stay with one 
> carrier; contracts do that. If you buy an iPhone for example from AT&T and 
> you have a contract in place where you pay a certain amount each months to 
> pay off the phone, then you can't really leave that obligation whether the 
> phone is locked or not unless you paid out whatever balance is remaining.
> I also understood that even if you are in a contract of some sort in the past 
> and you had your phone for a certain amount of time, like 3 or 6 months, you 
> could then request for the phone to be unlocked. Locking phones is the most 
> ridiculous thing a carrier can do if they in fact still do it given how many 
> people want to travel these days and potentially use a SIM from a provider in 
> a different country for a few weeks.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kathy Brandt
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 9:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: M. Taylor 
> Subject: Re: Question: Is Anyone Using two eSIM Cards in an iPhone?
> 
> I had asked yesterday: does the phone have to be unlocked in order for you to 
> use two cards like that?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Cory Jackson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am currently using 2 ESims on my iPhone 14.
>> 
>> You can have them both active at once. They are from 2 different providers. 
>> You can program them both to ring differently and play different message 
>> alert tones. I can see both connections at the top.
>> 
>> It is working very well.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Cory Jackson
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/18/2023 1:21 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Is anyone currently using two eSIM cards on an iPhone?  You know, 
>>> using one telephone number as a primary and a second number as a secondary 
>>> number?
>>> 
>>> If so, how is that working for you?
>>> 
>>> Also, If you do have 2 eSIM cards currently installed, are they from 
>>> different wireless providers?
>>> 
>>> All replies greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Would This Work?

[Brandon Olivares]

They have lots of active toys and I play with them regularly. But I like the 
feeder balls because it makes them hunt for their food, which makes them more 
satisfied because it plays more to their natural instinct.

Plus at this point they love the feeder balls 😀

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 8:27 PM, Donna Casteen  wrote:
> 
> Instead of using the feeder balls for exercise, have you considered using a 
> remote control feeder mouse? Or a laser light pointer? We have a 3yr old Red 
> Tip siamese who loves chasing his remote control mouse. I'm able to find the 
> mouse when he is finished playing by pressing the buttons on the remote & 
> following the sound. Of course, both of these toy suggestions require you to 
> be an active play participant.
> 
> Donna
>> 
>> Not unless it was a pretty long string, and then I’d be afraid of my cats 
>> getting tangled up in it. But a lot of times the ball is behind the TV or 
>> under the dresser, so it’d have to be a long string to be able to really 
>> make a difference.
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:32 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The string would though. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Brandon Olivares
>>> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 10:12 AM
>>> To: VIPhone 
>>> Subject: Re: Would This Work?
>>> 
>>> A bell won’t really work because I need to find it when it’s sitting still, 
>>> after they’ve already used it.
>>> 
> On Oct 20, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Renee Patete  wrote:
 
 I'd suggest putting a bell in it, one that is big enough that it won't 
 fall out. And perhaps you could attach a piece of string to them or 
 something so you can also find them more easily on the floor.  
 
> On 21/10/2023, at 02:38, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> OK I’m sorry if this sounds silly, but I wanted to ask if anyone thinks 
> this might work or might have a better idea.
> 
> I have two kittens. We give them these feeder balls where they have to 
> roll them around to get the food out of them. It keeps them active and 
> encourages their hunting instinct.
> 
> Well the problem is it’s always hard to find the balls so I can refill 
> them with food.
> 
> I was thinking whether I could use an Apple Air Tag to somehow attach to 
> the ball. Then I could make it play a noise so I could find exactly where 
> it is.
> 
> I’m just not sure how I’d attach it. It looks like it might be big enough 
> I thought maybe I could just put it right inside the ball, and I think 
> the holes in the ball would be too small for it to fall out.
> 
> What do you think? Or do you have a better idea?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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RE: System sounds lower in iOS 17

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There is no advantage to wait, in the current release of iOS 17 there are no 
major issues which are fixed in iOS 17.1, at least not to my knowledge.
Some people seem to be having issues with braille displays, but since I have 
never used one and never will I can't speak to this and it would appear from 
the messages I have seen, that the problems may have to do with the particular 
set of settings on a phone because other people who use the same braille 
display don't have them.
It's unfortunate that Apple seems to be introducing issues which are 
specifically related to certain settings as these are hard to pin down.



-Original Message-
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Arnold
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 4:54 PM
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Subject: RE: System sounds lower in iOS 17

When is 17.1 going to be available? I am waiting for it to update from 16.6.1. 

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Matt White
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 7:15 PM
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This is a bug that seems to have been fixed with iOS 17.1.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 19:12, Robert Doc Wright  
> wrote:
> 
> Lisa which text tone do you prefer: I can record it and make it 
> louder for you then you can ad it like a ring tone and use it for text.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lisa Belville" 
> To: ; "Wayne Merritt" 
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 3:48 PM
> Subject: Re: System sounds lower in iOS 17
> 
> 
> Wayne, I have my alert sounds at 100% and I play haptics with sounds. 
> I don't like doing this way, it makes me think I'm losing my hearing. 
> But I've missed notifications before. Never a call, because it seems 
> like the phone ringers haven't decreased in volume, but in particular, 
> the default tones for in coming texts and push notifications doesn't 
> seem to be as loud as with previous versions of iOS, so if the phone 
> is across the room and I get a text, I at least have the vibration 
> sound to fall back on.
> 
> 
> I currently have my VO volume set to 40%, but volume is in my rotor, 
> so I can easily adjust it either through the rotor or with the side button.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't have a better solution.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
> 
>> On 10/20/2023 3:22 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
>> My VoiceOver volume is at 100% and my system volume is 80%.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 10/20/23, Lisa Belville  wrote:
>>> What's your VO volume set to? Try adjusting that instead of your 
>>> notification sounds, or try picking another sound for mail. I went 
>>> back to the old text tri-tone because the sound iOS 17 used was not 
>>> very loud, even with my alert volume set high.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1...@frontier.com
>>> 
>>> On 10/20/2023 2:57 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote:
 Greetings. I thought I have seen a control or setting to adjust the 
 volume of the system and notification sounds in iOS 17. For 
 whatever reason, my system and notification sounds seem to be lower 
 than the VoiceOver sounds. I have my sound and alert volume set 
 fairly high, so that I can hear my alarms when they go off, but I'm 
 still having trouble hearing certain sounds. For example, the swish 
 noise when a text or iMessage is sent or received. I understand the 
 sound volume is lower for the default notification sounds. In that 
 case though I have my phone set to vibrate along with making the 
 sound. Is there a setting I can adjust to raise the volume? For the 
 record, I'm running iOS 17.0.3.
 
 Warmly,
 Wayne
 
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