Re: [Vo]: Steorm- corrected post
Wesley Bruce wrote: Your overlooking the problem of patents. The patent will not be allowed if the theory is disputed and it gets worse if there is no theory at all. Oh? Read the Takashi motor patent. The claim of overunity was in the body of the patent, but not in the claims. Too bad it didn't work. My good drinking buddy, Bill looked at the patent, declared that he had come up with the same idea in the early '50's, and then asserted that it was "my patent." I quipped that I hadn't noticed his name any where on the patent. Later, when Takashi repented of his misguided assertion, I told Bill that AFAIK he could have the patent. Steorm wants the patents on this. Peer reviews wont help the reviewers must have hands on contact. They simply wont believe a paper. There are several ways to do what needs to be done. Yah, like a working model that actually powers something. Till then, their just blowing smoke. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [VO]:Re: All this Steorn stuff..
Well, unfortunately, the university degree has become something of a consumer item; the key to happiness through better jobs, higher pay, etc. Just by paying to sit in classrooms and regurgitate what's been slapped on the board. (This applies more to those in the arts faculty than those in the more technical faculties, of course.) So you pays your money and you gets your degree and everybody is happy and proud. I'd better get off my soapbox now. If you want an interesting viewpoint on education and science (as separate entities), try reading Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, by Robert Pirsig. In my view, a must-read by all those who really think... P. At 02:42 PM 9/5/2006 -0500, you wrote: Imagine expecting a recruit to pay to attend a military boot camp. Where students are expected to pay a tuition they actually are second class citizens compared to new recruits. I don't like economic theories and policies which portray the student as a "consumer". Harry Philip Winestone wrote: > Good question, but at the tender age of 17, it would never in a million > years have occurred to me to ask it. All there was, was a kind of > underlying panic... > > At the time, these were government-funded institutions (don't know the > details), so it could have been government that called the shots. As each > student was funded (tuition, books and living grants) those who granted the > money were quite selective in the first place - university entrance > requirements - so when I come to think of it, the culling started much > earlier. At the time, the number of graduates in the UK was about 10% of > the number in Canada (perhaps North America) on a per capita population basis. > > It all seems so long ago... > > P. > > > At 11:11 PM 9/4/2006 -0500, you wrote: >> For a university's book to balance, I wonder how many students >> need to quit or flunk after the first or second year. >> >> >> Harry >> >> >> Philip Winestone wrote: >> >>> Hi Richard. >>> >>> "Essence" indeed... The essence is most likely the intuitive aspect (or >>> part of the intuitive aspect) I was babbling about. >>> >>> Interesting about "culling". Back in Scotland, where I graduated, the >>> culling was done by the university. 60% in the first year and a further >>> 60% (of the remainder) in the second year. And as you say, of the >>> remaining (exhausted) bunch, most were trying to get out of Engineering >>> itself as soon as possible. Into management where the pay and prestige >>> were far greater than those of the grunts manning the slide-rules (remember >>> them?). >>> >>> P.
Re: [VO]:Re: All this Steorn stuff..
Imagine expecting a recruit to pay to attend a military boot camp. Where students are expected to pay a tuition they actually are second class citizens compared to new recruits. I don't like economic theories and policies which portray the student as a "consumer". Harry Philip Winestone wrote: > Good question, but at the tender age of 17, it would never in a million > years have occurred to me to ask it. All there was, was a kind of > underlying panic... > > At the time, these were government-funded institutions (don't know the > details), so it could have been government that called the shots. As each > student was funded (tuition, books and living grants) those who granted the > money were quite selective in the first place - university entrance > requirements - so when I come to think of it, the culling started much > earlier. At the time, the number of graduates in the UK was about 10% of > the number in Canada (perhaps North America) on a per capita population basis. > > It all seems so long ago... > > P. > > > At 11:11 PM 9/4/2006 -0500, you wrote: >> For a university's book to balance, I wonder how many students >> need to quit or flunk after the first or second year. >> >> >> Harry >> >> >> Philip Winestone wrote: >> >>> Hi Richard. >>> >>> "Essence" indeed... The essence is most likely the intuitive aspect (or >>> part of the intuitive aspect) I was babbling about. >>> >>> Interesting about "culling". Back in Scotland, where I graduated, the >>> culling was done by the university. 60% in the first year and a further >>> 60% (of the remainder) in the second year. And as you say, of the >>> remaining (exhausted) bunch, most were trying to get out of Engineering >>> itself as soon as possible. Into management where the pay and prestige >>> were far greater than those of the grunts manning the slide-rules (remember >>> them?). >>> >>> P.
Re: [Vo]: Steorm- corrected post
Your overlooking the problem of patents. The patent will not be allowed if the theory is disputed and it gets worse if there is no theory at all.Steorm wants the patents on this. Peer reviews wont help the reviewers must have hands on contact. They simply wont believe a paper. There are several ways to do what needs to be done. Publish a peer review paper and a patent at the same time. The publicize both. That was what Fleischmann and Pons tried and it did not work. The Steorm jury, This is the process used in the past with several disputed discoveries. Including the latitude contest, some early discoveries in medicine including immunization and safe blood donations. It is common in classified work where public papers etc would kill the projects secrecy. Build a car or boat and dive or sail it past large audiences. The first submarine, the first steam train contests and of cause the Wright brothers. Publish the design outside peer review and have hundreds duplicate the work. Paul C.W. Chu and his colleagues, the discoverers of high temperature Yittirium based superconductors followed this path in part. As far as I know they had to forgo the possibility of patents but got major awards and posts which is a compensation. [if I have this bit wrong tell me please.] Each has its challenges and it risks. A test requires several things: The starting impulse, if required, must be filly controlled and measured. I.e. do you start it with a shove or not? It must run a load. All wires,etc must be visible labeled and reasonably tamper proof. If placed in an air tight box filled will it still run. This will get submarine designers interested. If it still runs if it is turned upside down it will get a lot of Nasa attention. The best test of a scam is to ask the two key questions. How do they intend to make a buck from the scam? How do they intend to escape prosecution if it is a scam. Can they run and hide somehow? Steorm is not asking for money in any way and I can't see how they could be pulling a scam. Where's the money in it if their not telling the truth? There is too much data on the people involved for them to up and run if it is a scam. A good conman never gets his photo all over the web. These guys seem to be real. There may be an error that they can't see but there does not seem to be scam. I doubt that the laws of thermodynamics are under any threat. Any demonstration of free energy is in effect simply a demonstration that we have not yet measured and named all of the energy fluxes in the the universe. Once we have a powerplant running in we can measure its out put from place to place,or over time or in proximity to other things. Any slight variations in output will allow us to map and then define the underlying energy flow. If it is 500 mW / cc [0.5 kilowatts/ litre] then I have about a hundred applications for it. One key question is whether it generates gyroscopic forces; that could make it hard to use on a vehicle. William Beaty wrote: On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Mark Goldes wrote: That is great news! I have not listened to the interview. All the more likely they have done what they claim. If they just published detailed plans and construction info on their website, (and if the device is relatively easy to get working,) there'd be no need for this "jury" stuff. It looks like a publicity stunt, not a legit tactic. On the other hand, their device could be like SMOT, and be extremely difficult to work with. That would be a good reason *not* to just post the plans and let everyone try building it. (The Pons-Fleichman problem also involved a large number of failed replications.) But if secrecy wasn't their philosophy, they could just *say* that they'd otherwise just release everything ...but that their device is finicky. Where FE is concerned, secrecy has always been the major evil in the past. The secrecy keeps onlookers from knowing whether it's a scam. The secrecy sets up a catch-22 for selling OU products or even finding legit investors. And I suspect that if any groups want to suppress the discovery, inventor's secrecy is absolutly critical to successful suppression. Watch closely. We'll see if I'm right again. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 425-222-5066unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]: The Doctor is in
thomas malloy wrote: Vortexians; Merlin is a computer program which predicts future events with an 80% accuracy. One of the developers is George Hart, PhD physics. To get the full story, truncate the URL at Merlin. Now if I can just figure out how to listen to his sound file on Iran. I'm posting this to call your attention to this page, particularly the Epistemology of the Occult. The rest of the page has some other interesting comments too. http://www.accessbest.com/merlin/doctor_george.htm --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- Astrology by computer. 80% accuracy is easy if you refuse to mention the predictions that failed or if your predictions are so vague that they could mean any thing. As for Iran I predict a war within three years, It takes that long to make plutonium and a little more uranium. If you have them you have a nuke. The rest is easy. If you have suicide bombers and a little lead you don't even need an explosive casing. We need to take out the nukes before they end up in the islamofascists hands. If not cities will die, loudly! Thats my first prediction. Prediction 2 An Indian or Eurasian city will be hit first. Prediction 3 A new class of Iranian sub with a conventional power plant but very advanced batteries and good sensors will make things very interesting in the Persian gulf and Indian ocean. Conventional subs are quieter than nuclear subs. Prediction 4 expect robots to figure large on any future battlefield.
Re: [Vo]: OT: pi
Harry Veeder wrote: > > > The mathematically inclined might like to study this. > > http://members.ispwest.com/r-logan/narrative.html > > The possibility of "squaring the circle" was proven impossible in the late > 1800's. The quest to the square the circle, like the quest for "free > energy", is now considered the domain of cranks and quacks...but... > you never know... Hmmmit may have been premature to judge the work as mathematically significant. In the section on Euler's equation he does not handle exponents correctly. He incorrectly concludes an expression of the form e^[(-a^i^2 + a^i^2)] is equal to (e^0)^i^2. It actually equals e^0 or 1 instead of -1 as he claims. Harry y
Re: [VO]:Re: All this Steorn stuff..
Good question, but at the tender age of 17, it would never in a million years have occurred to me to ask it. All there was, was a kind of underlying panic... At the time, these were government-funded institutions (don't know the details), so it could have been government that called the shots. As each student was funded (tuition, books and living grants) those who granted the money were quite selective in the first place - university entrance requirements - so when I come to think of it, the culling started much earlier. At the time, the number of graduates in the UK was about 10% of the number in Canada (perhaps North America) on a per capita population basis. It all seems so long ago... P. At 11:11 PM 9/4/2006 -0500, you wrote: For a university's book to balance, I wonder how many students need to quit or flunk after the first or second year. Harry Philip Winestone wrote: > Hi Richard. > > "Essence" indeed... The essence is most likely the intuitive aspect (or > part of the intuitive aspect) I was babbling about. > > Interesting about "culling". Back in Scotland, where I graduated, the > culling was done by the university. 60% in the first year and a further > 60% (of the remainder) in the second year. And as you say, of the > remaining (exhausted) bunch, most were trying to get out of Engineering > itself as soon as possible. Into management where the pay and prestige > were far greater than those of the grunts manning the slide-rules (remember > them?). > > P. > > > > At 07:33 PM 9/4/2006 -0500, you wrote: >> >> Philip wrote, >> >>> and this research is >>> accomplished by our friend the Intellect. >> >> Howdy Philip, >> >> And a most reliable friend indeed. Couple intellect with desire and a true >> "tinkerer" is created. My experience with mentoring a few Aggie undergrad >> engineering majors give ample evidence that most youngsters should never >> aspire to become engineers because they lack that intangible "essence" >> required. The record number of freshmen engineering majors that opt out of >> the engineering schools may appear to be an epidemic but is actually a >> healthly culling. It is surprising to learn how many engineering grads >> later do not aspire to become engineers. >> >> Richard >> >> >> > >
