[Vo]: RE: [anti-Vo]: global warming
No, it does not conflict with the need to do something serious about our fossil fuel emissions! In fact it makes urgent action even more necessary. I am tired of pointing out the GIGANTIC logicalflaw that people who believe that somehow this is a "get out of jail free card" suffer from. If you were outside in a lightning storm fixing the pool pump would you neglect to turn the power off because you could get struck by lightning and safe working practice was not necessary? Nick Palmer
[VO]:Re:{anti-Vo]:Global warming
Nick Palmer wrote, No, it does not conflict with the need to do something... Howdy Vorts, Ah Ha! Now therein lies the real problem. .." the need to do something" ! Shakespeare once penned " there is a tide..." It ain't up to us anymore which is why it's a waste of time to talk about global warm. I went to wedding in Dallas over the weekend. Dallas is one of the "NEW" boom town cities of the world where the movers and shakers migrate toward. I listened to the talk and after more than 40 years of business experience, I compared what I heard with what my gut feeling was telling me. Best way to describe what I sensed in Dallas.. playing poker with scared money. It's like a game of monolopy.. everybody knows the money is make believe and the hotels and properties are just play Folks, global warming is way down the list of priorities. Not to worry.. the laws of human nature are alive and well in the world. Read Cervantes "Don Quixote" and get the joke. Jones Beene should write a 21 century version. Richard
[Vo]: Kim's nuke
I just heard Fox news say that the NK did detonate an atom bomb. Last night Hal Lindsey mentioned the 550 ton yield. Since the critical mass remains constant, I assume that they did a poor job of building it. Kim Jung El has quite the collection of pornography, not just the standard, two people going at it variety either, he likes the kinky stuff, S and M, B and D. Reminds me of the time I mentioned my manic friend to a my psychological counselor friend. I described him as being so busy coming up with big ideas that he didn't have time to do anything else. She inquired, does he use pornography? I replied that, yes he does. She replied, it rots their brain. IMHO, Kim's exploding that bomb exhibits his rotten brain. Prager just mentioned that the international community is going to cut off his supply of Scotch Whiskey, that will make him cry in his beer. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
[Vo]: It was indeed a nuke
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,221182,00.html And, less than a kiloton. now, everyone ive heard is saying, wow, thats just a baby nuke. aww, isnt that cute. they blew up a bomb smaller than some CONVENTIAL bombs we have. however, i recall back when the bunker buster nukes were being discussed, and i recall statements that nukes that small were hard to build, control, and set off properly, becuase of critical mass. i see this as more of a , look, we have control over very very highly advanced technology. if we can do this, we can make nice nukes of larger size as well. -- That which yields isn't always weak.
Re: [Vo]: Kim's nuke
rots the brain.. yeah, some say the same about comic books. and http://www.fas.org/faspir/2001/v54n1/weapons.htm On 10/16/06, thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just heard Fox news say that the NK did detonate an atom bomb. Last night Hal Lindsey mentioned the 550 ton yield. Since the critical mass remains constant, I assume that they did a poor job of building it. Kim Jung El has quite the collection of pornography, not just the standard, two people going at it variety either, he likes the kinky stuff, S and M, B and D. Reminds me of the time I mentioned my manic friend to a my psychological counselor friend. I described him as being so busy coming up with big ideas that he didn't have time to do anything else. She inquired, does he use pornography? I replied that, yes he does. She replied, it rots their brain. IMHO, Kim's exploding that bomb exhibits his rotten brain. Prager just mentioned that the international community is going to cut off his supply of Scotch Whiskey, that will make him cry in his beer. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- -- That which yields isn't always weak.
Re: [Vo]: It was indeed a nuke
leaking pen wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,221182,00.html And, less than a kiloton. now, everyone ive heard is saying, wow, thats just a baby nuke. aww, isnt that cute. they blew up a bomb smaller than some CONVENTIAL bombs we have. however, i recall back when the bunker buster nukes were being discussed, and i recall statements that nukes that small were hard to build, control, and set off properly, becuase of critical mass. The key here may be control. If they intended it to be a 0.550 KT blast, then perhaps they have demonstrated great control over a process nobody else has mastered. OTOH if they intended it to be a larger blast and only part of the material fissioned and the rest just splattered around the test site as molten droplets -- which, I suspect, is extremely possible -- then they've demonstrated poor control over a process numerous other countries have already mastered, and they've also shown that they probably can't predict very well what's going to happen when they set one of these off. i see this as more of a , look, we have control over very very highly advanced technology. if we can do this, we can make nice nukes of larger size as well.
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Off-Topic: Gasoline Prices and Market Manipulation Most of us want to believe that the price we must pay for commodity items like gasoline - is somehow above politics and cannot be easily manipulated; especially to influence the outcome of what looks to be - in three weeks - very close mid-term elections in the USA. Therefore, when the price of gasoline recently dropped substantially, only a few dyed-in-the-wool cynics made that particular connection. Personally, I did not see a political nexus then; but OTOH I'm proud to be labeled as a non-partisan political cynic, as the whole process stinks, including BOTH parties. Our system is often little more than a Pac-man PAC-sham which is run by special interests usually Petro-interests, and that will not change much, even if control of Congress does. There will be a liberal version of Jack Abramoff which emerges to fill that void and he will be distributing the same petrodollars for votes, just to a different constituency: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Abramoff Even this cynic could not imagine that the price of gasoline could be manipulated that quickly and by that much - given that the price of OPEC crude [which is out of our control as many prior shortages have demonstrated] which only recently has gone down by a lesser percentage --- nor -- that the price of gasoline could change the outcome of even close re-election races. Even if the electorate votes their pocketbook - does the cost of gasoline matter that much? The stakes are extremely high. More so than you might imagine. Some of Nancy Pelosi's supporters claim that if the Democrats win, Bush will be impeached and possibly even put on trial in Hague for war crimes. Apparently charges have been secretly drawn up. You could say therefore, that the stakes *could not be higher* for the President and his inner clique, including Cheney and Rummy. However, I would not want to get into a poker game against that threesome. Even using Pelosi's chips. BTW the wholesale price of gasoline last week - in the USA - get this: it is less on the futures market (per gallon), then is the equivalent price of the crude oil it from which it is derived! Plus OPEC has stated that the recent smaller drop in crude oil prices actually began with the drop in gasoline prices in the USA -- and NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. This is a reversed cause-and-effect situation which would have been expected in a normal free market dynamics. So what could be going on ? The futures market - by and large - determines the pump price in the USA for gasoline, as all the US production is totally pre-bought (an Enron legacy) ... and that futures market is controlled, ultimately, by a single NYC investment firm called Goldman Sachs (GS). This particular banking firm has long been a suits company with suspiciously close ties to both the CIA and Mossad - and to both political parties, not just the Republicans. It is the Halliburton of Banking. In a few words GS is the most profitable and successful investment firm in the world - is no longer under Jewish control, if it ever was, and is the most connected bank around at high levels... and supposedly [what they do not want to publicize] : the biggest tax cheat in the banking world - done by hiding trading profits overseas, especially in Asia and then to Europe in a petrodollar recycling scheme. After 9/11, when two of GS's banking competitors were nearly wiped out by the tragedy, reports appeared on the net, along with a scanned copy of an Goldman Sachs internal memo, said to be a smoking-gun of inner circle fore-knowledge of the event. It was a memo sent around but not in hard copy form except to only to a few overseas offices: dated on September 10, and it is advising all employees of a possible terrorist attack. It recommended all employees avoid any American government buildings. It was supposed to be read and destroyed. Yes - WTC 6 is/was not exactly a government building per se, but more on that later... The PR firm handling the GS account has countered these rumors and conspiracy theory reports in general - with the disdainful reply that the purported memo (which they did not deny) referred only to government buildings, and apparently only to such buildings in Japan, not to the Street. Huh? How many US government building do we have in Japan? Anyway, critics have been trying every since to determine if Goldman Sachs distributed other electronic memos, closer to home, which have not come to light. They apparently have an internal computer system which wipes all computers of a certain type of internal email. You can check for yourself on how they fared in 9/11. Anyway... enough pandering to conspiracy nuts. Here are some hard facts. Back in July, nobody thought much about the fact that President Bush had nominated Henry M. Paulson, Jr. to be the 74th Secretary of the Treasury. Quick confirmation. This was
RE: [Vo]: Kim's nuke
thomas sez: I just heard Fox news say that the NK did detonate an atom bomb. Last night Hal Lindsey mentioned the 550 ton yield. Since the critical mass remains constant, I assume that they did a poor job of building it. Kim Jung El has quite the collection of pornography, not just the standard, two people going at it variety either, he likes the kinky stuff, S and M, B and D. Reminds me of the time I mentioned my manic friend to a my psychological counselor friend. I described him as being so busy coming up with big ideas that he didn't have time to do anything else. She inquired, does he use pornography? I replied that, yes he does. She replied, it rots their brain. IMHO, Kim's exploding that bomb exhibits his rotten brain. Prager just mentioned that the international community is going to cut off his supply of Scotch Whiskey, that will make him cry in his beer. We can speculate till we're all glowing blue with radiation regarding Kim Jong's alleged predilections. Perhaps he does like his Scotch and wine. Perhaps he likes his pornography collection as well. Perhaps he even sings the lumberjack song and likes to wear high-heels and a bra in the privacy of his bedroom. So what? Much of this kind of speculation degenerates into dis-informational fodder. It serves little to get at the real individual other than to give many of us (and particularly those who are aligned to a strict ideology) justification for hating what Kim represents because he's behaving like a hypocrite to his people, or that he behaves that way because he's a pervert or a tyrant, or because his personal predilections are causing his brain to rot away. It comforting to know who is wearing the black hat. It would appear that North Korea has demonstrated to the world that it can detonate a nuclear bomb. Deal with it. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]: Kim's nuke
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: It would appear that North Korea has demonstrated to the world that it can detonate a nuclear bomb. I still doubt it. Anyway, Kim will not live forever, and nations like North Korea seldom last for long, so I do not think it matters much. The lesson of the cold war is that it is often best to do nothing provocative, stand your ground, and wait for things to improve. People tend to exaggerate the gravity of these crises, as they are called before everyone forgets they happened. The U.S. did not go to war over the Quemoy and Matsu crisis in 1954, and yet we survived. The U.S. did go to war over the Tonkin Gulf attack and the Iraqi WMD crisis, but both events turned out to be fabricated, and responding to them on this scale was a mistake, to put it mildly. - Jed
[Vo]: Off-Topic: Gasoline Prices and Market Manipulation
Off-Topic: Gasoline Prices and Market Manipulation Beene Sez: ... I would not want to be on the same Airline Flight [Pelosi] gets on. Signed, Harry Tuttle Brazilian cynic-extraordinaire wannabe GS-CEO That's Buttle! ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.Zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]: Kim's nuke
Jed sez: Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: It would appear that North Korea has demonstrated to the world that it can detonate a nuclear bomb. I still doubt it. Anyway, Kim will not live forever, and nations like North Korea seldom last for long, so I do not think it matters much. The lesson of the cold war is that it is often best to do nothing provocative, stand your ground, and wait for things to improve. People tend to exaggerate the gravity of these crises, as they are called before everyone forgets they happened. The U.S. did not go to war over the Quemoy and Matsu crisis in 1954, and yet we survived. The U.S. did go to war over the Tonkin Gulf attack and the Iraqi WMD crisis, but both events turned out to be fabricated, and responding to them on this scale was a mistake, to put it mildly. - Jed While no one lives forever they tend to possess the irritating characteristic of living long enough to create consequences that the survived by will have to deal with. Jed, I pretty much agree in principal with your assessment of the situation. I would also add that the last thing Kim wants is to be ignored. The more we engage with Kim's regime (in the 1st person) the more legitimate he is likely to feel his regime is being perceived by the rest of the world. OTOH, if Kim manages to successfully sell nuclear material to rogue organizations we will have a lot to deal with. It's my understanding that the science of being able to identify where nuclear material had been manufactured is a precise process. There would be no doubt as to who was responsible for the source. It is pretty much understood by all parties involved that if any clearly identifiable N. Korean nuclear material were to be used in some nefarious way by a 3rd party it would spell the end of Kim's regime - big time. People scratch their heads wondering why Kim might even consider selling nuclear material to rogue organizations if it is clearly understood that the source would quickly be traced back to his country - with disaterous consequences to his regime's health. But then, who really knows what Kim is thinking. FWIW: The most interesting speculation I've heard (and it IS pure speculation I might add since I have no hard evidence to back it up) is that Kim's political decisions indicate there may be a streak of martyrdom in his psychological makeup. If so, all the more reason to tread carefully. A cornered, wild, starving animal is not likely to feel that it has many viable options left. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.Orionworks.com www.Zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]: What happened?
About a year of so ago Jed mentioned that private efforts were going on just under the radar. A few of these efforts were going to produce results within the next year. What happened? I have heard nothing. Are these efforts done? It has been a long time. Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]: What happened?
Yang's going strong, as far as I know...but flying way below the radar. Stringham's probably got something viable but I suspect he's trying to negotiate his fair share of the bucket of gold. I've heard no details from Energetics but they're a wildcard...they have a large and dynamic team and they hold their cards close to their chest... There may be others - I'm not sure. Anybody else that has made loud assertions or speculations is most likely full of crap. Why? 'Cause if they really had something, they wouldn't need to shout from rooftops. They'd be signing up major partners left and right and working like the bejeezus to figure out how to go from benchtop to display case before the next guy does. s At 08:22 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: About a year of so ago Jed mentioned that private efforts were going on just under the radar. A few of these efforts were going to produce results within the next year. What happened? I have heard nothing. Are these efforts done? It has been a long time. Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]: Kim's nuke
On Monday 16 October 2006 16:25, OrionWorks wrote: Jed sez: Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: It would appear that North Korea has demonstrated to the world that it can detonate a nuclear bomb. I still doubt it. Anyway, Kim will not live forever, and nations like North Korea seldom last for long, so I do not think it matters much. The lesson of the cold war is that it is often best to do nothing provocative, stand your ground, and wait for things to improve. People tend to exaggerate the gravity of these crises, as they are called before everyone forgets they happened. The U.S. did not go to war over the Quemoy and Matsu crisis in 1954, and yet we survived. The U.S. did go to war over the Tonkin Gulf attack and the Iraqi WMD crisis, but both events turned out to be fabricated, and responding to them on this scale was a mistake, to put it mildly. - Jed While no one lives forever they tend to possess the irritating characteristic of living long enough to create consequences that the survived by will have to deal with. Jed, I pretty much agree in principal with your assessment of the situation. I would also add that the last thing Kim wants is to be ignored. The more we engage with Kim's regime (in the 1st person) the more legitimate he is likely to feel his regime is being perceived by the rest of the world. OTOH, if Kim manages to successfully sell nuclear material to rogue organizations we will have a lot to deal with. It's my understanding that the science of being able to identify where nuclear material had been manufactured is a precise process. There would be no doubt as to who was responsible for the source. It is pretty much understood by all parties involved that if any clearly identifiable N. Korean nuclear material were to be used in some nefarious way by a 3rd party it would spell the end of Kim's regime - big time. People scratch their heads wondering why Kim might even consider selling nuclear material to rogue organizations if it is clearly understood that the source would quickly be traced back to his country - with disaterous consequences to his regime's health. But then, who really knows what Kim is thinking. FWIW: The most interesting speculation I've heard (and it IS pure speculation I might add since I have no hard evidence to back it up) is that Kim's political decisions indicate there may be a streak of martyrdom in his psychological makeup. If so, all the more reason to tread carefully. A cornered, wild, starving animal is not likely to feel that it has many viable options left. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.Orionworks.com www.Zazzle.com/orionworks Cornered animals do fight, and crazed animals fight with a wild desparation that knows no bounds. Kooky Kim has a long history of secret collaborations with the rich and infamous in the PRC as well, and could take some of them down with him if he saw himself falling. Some of those who promised him troops and supplies in the past are perhaps seeing the unfeathering of their nests and might seek changes in China's leadership. Inasmuch as these may BE China's leadership would explain the extra caution and reluctance to act that could be explained by duplicity. Sun Tsu stated that all things had a rational source, so some explanation must exist to make seemingly irrational acts rational in the end. In the early nineties of the last century, there were secret arrangements made by representatives of the DPRK leadership and senior leadership in the Chinese Army PRC concerning 'triggers' for re-supply and coordinated responses. Whole PRC Army Groups were mobilized to readiness condition in Schenzhen Province in the mid nineties, and ominous unidentified massive increases in the male population totalling over six million people in the DPRK occured in the early nineties lending one to suppose the whole 'crisis' was manufactured with the west being intended victim of an enormous ambush. Mr Clinton perhaps saw this trap for what it was and found a diplomatic solution. Perhaps also at that time China PRC was not yet ready for a fight. At present Kim may not percieve time on his side. His country is six hundred thousand tons short of vitally needed foodstuffs at a time when contributions have dried up. He even told the United Nations to stop shipping food, saying it was not needed; this a seeminly irrational act. Why would he say this in the face of imminent starvation of millions in his country this winter. The only reason he would not need it would be if a large part of his population ceased to need to consume. And the little boy who never tasted power until his father died has now 'found his father's gun'! Say he does sell some of his klutzy hardware to some militants who then decide to target some population center. This center does not, as many Americans believe, have to be an American interest or city. Militants have
