Re: [Vo]:Organic farming under threat...
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/sep/06/health/he-organic6?s=on=ord=www.consumerfreedom.comsessid=48b8477102f0851fe27cee152b2fcdd1f9c1f6d0pg=4pgtp=articleeagi=page_type=articleexci=2004_09_06_health_he-organic6 http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/the-great-organic-myths-why-organic-foods-are-an-indulgence-the-world-cant-afford-818585.html the difference in vitamins is generally on the order of less than a percentage of difference from every unbiased, well documented study i've seen. And again, you are miscategorizing conventional farming by calling it a chemical soup. Are there particular farms that perhaps spray too much and too often and with more things than they should? Sure, you get that kind of behaviour in any industry. But this law you are bitching about, guess what? Will help reduce and eliminate that. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:16 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: No, I know that it is better, and know know that much of what you say is flawed but I don't see the point in arguing it with you. Organic food has higher levels of vitamins and phytonutrients, is lacks the chemical soup that is used by conventionally grown produce and various other advantages. I have done research into organics but not on what they use in different areas to protect the produce and at some point I might look that up though I don't have the time right now. If you are ignoring the benefits of organically grown produce then tyou are making a mistake but it's one I don't have anymore time to correct right now. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:31 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote: In other words you have a gut instinct that I'm wrong, I mean, organic HAS to be better, right? Just look at the name. But you have no clue in what way I'm wrong, and you'd rather not do the research and shatter your world view. Sigh. Just like all the anti alt sci types. This is a SCIENCE forum. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:16 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: You have some quite unbalanced points in there but I don't have the will or time to argue. What I can say is that the contamination issues you mention have much misinfo around them. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:54 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote: Copper sulfate and other copper salts are pretty much the ONLY fungicides used by organic farming. The sprays used today by conventional farming are NOT the poisonous , groundwater polluting, wildlife killing soups they were 20 years ago. We figured out that certain things were bad, and then stopped using them. But organic farming gets a lot of breaks on proving things are safe. what these bills ACTUALLY do is create accountability, require that what methods a farm use are collected, and that data given to the government, and that things are properly labeled. It gives the government branch that is created the right to say, this process is NOT safe, here is the science saying it is not safe, STOP IT. And it allows better tracking of where food comes from. So that when things DO go wrong, like say, the tomato listeria issue, or the tomato e coli issue, or the spinach and lettuce e coli issue, or the peanut butter salmonella issue, from the past couple years (ALL of which were, shock and surprise , ORGANIC foods with bacteria issues). Ohh, and it will make it easier to prevent things like when the genetically modified corn that wasn't approved for human consumption ended up in taco bell taco shells. Of course, that corn was modified to naturally produce more BT, that people screamed about becuase it can cause issues such as breakdowns and stoppages in the human gut. And which is the same chemical that is the main organic farm spray used as a pesticide. Interesting. Thankfully, it breaks down quickly in direct sunlight, or with cooking, or with a few seconds of uv radiation. So the corn that made it into the shells, since it had been irradiated then cooked, was harmless. But... whoops. If used on lettuce, it can get down into the nooks and crannys between leaves, survive the sunlight in that matter, and since any uv irradiation at all means you cant market it as organic, it doesn't get irradiated. Hope you wash your lettuce REALLY REALLY WELL! (For note, my specialty is biochemistry, I am VERY concerned about the goings on of such places as Monsanto (spits on the ground) and grow a lot of my own food as a backyard gardener. But unfortunately, a lot of really UNSAFE practices got okayed for the organic label, and lot of neccesary safe practices screamed down by people who didn't understand the science of it, and at this point, the organic label on food COULD be good, but is often not. ) On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 5:21 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: Um, I don't know for sure but I don't think that the certified organic produce used the sprays you are talking
Re: [Vo]:Organic farming under threat...
You lot must realise that I usually put forward a strong environmentalist line on this forum. But I have to say I agree with the anti-organic methods posts in this thread but... but... but... firstly, organic farming will only use fungicides when necessary, whereas conventional agriculture has a planned spraying regime, often several times, as a matter of course. If modern fungicides etc have genuinely improved to the point where they are equal to, or superior to, the old organic methods in lack of toxicity and most importantly in bio degradation and lack of accumulation in the environment, then certainly the traditional methods should be reviewed but I don't hear the agricultural companies shouting this from the rooftops as I am sure they would if it was genuinely true. Bear in mind that agri-fungicides tend to kill everything and there are plenty of beneficial fungi that should be kept in the soil. An example - I live in a place where a big crop for our farmers is early potatoes, which are prone to potato blight (a fungus) and so they spray the crop routinely to prevent this getting a hold. Because of this all the other beneficial fungi in the environment of the field get killed. It is a fungal free zone. Organic farmers I know don't have such a vulnerability because the natural beneficial fungi in the environment are already on the plant when it pushes through into the light. The existing good fungi have already populated the habitat of the potato leaves thus leaving not much of a niche for the blight fungus to get a hold on. They still get blight but it does not get such a hold and is managed by cutting the affected plants down early. Another example - the potato crop also suffers from eelworm and so nematicides are routinely applied to the non-organic crop. A well established organic field has fungi which literally have lassos which catch the nematodes. The crop still gets eelworm attack but it is much less of a problem than it is to those who farm with dead soil. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it
Re: [Vo]:Asteroid 2009 DD45
On Mar 8, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote: Given that I've now made a couple nice power supplies, maybe I should do some tests of the Morton effect. I don't have a sphere terminal. Maybe a stainless steel soup pot will work? :) --Kyle A couple hemispherical metal salad bowls might work and are not too pricey at Wal-Mart. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Energy News of the Weird: Denmark tilting at windmills
Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: The problem most likely is perhaps the utility has too large a base load supply, coal or nuclear, which is unresponsive to load changes. I did not read the article either... Unfortunately there was nothing more to the article than the rough translation I gave. It was just a brief blurb in Le Monde; I translated it nearly word for word (figgured I probly made some mistakes, which is mostly why I called it a rough translation). The original item to which LeMonde referred is on the Danish energinet website (whose link I mis-spelled in the original note, BTW). I *think* this is it: http://www.energinet.dk/da/menu/Nyheder/Nyhedsartikler/negative+elpriser.htm Unfortunately it's in Danish, which I can't read, even a little (and knowing a bit of German doesn't seem to help). Google's translator throws a shoe when it tries to translate the page and burps out ten frame headers and no text. AltaVista/Babelfish won't do Danish. So I'm in the dark as to what they actually said...
Re: [Vo]:Asteroid 2009 DD45
On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote: If during this financial mess we can monitor volcanoes (which we can do NOTHING about), we can watch the skies a little better. Volcano monitoring here in Alaska is pretty important. Volcanic eruptions affect air traffic routing and people's daily lives in terms of preparedness, carrying masks, buying air filters, stocking up on food, and scheduling work, trips, etc. It is also important for the science of volcanology. I agree asteroid monitoring is important too. See: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/asteroidRadar.pdf Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Asteroid 2009 DD45
Kyle Mcallister wrote: If during this financial mess we can monitor volcanoes (which we can do NOTHING about) . . . As I wrote repeatedly, we can LOTS about volcanoes. We can't stop them, of course, but we can prevent them from killing people or damaging equipment unnecessarily. We can mitigate the danger and financial loss. Horace Heffner also reiterated this. The notions that volcano monitoring is only good for doomsday prediction or that the intention is to do something to stop the volcano are ludicrous, and unscientific. We should also keep an eye on asteroids, and possibly develop a method of deflecting them. Cold fusion and antigravity would be a great help in deflecting them. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
The final count of people looking for tritium output to find the Claytor paper is ~1014. Most appear to be from the U.S. and Canada. Someone may have circulated the URL directly, instead of the search term, because another ~200 were downloaded, which is higher than normal for this paper. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
In reply to grok's message of Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:46:00 -0700: Hi, [snip] Implications, eh? Like the implications of how why this stuff is getting from wherever it comes from -- and down everybody's pie-hole, like fatted geese being force-fed with a funnel..? [snip] It's more subtle than that. A better analogy would be geese that fight to get at the food. ;) BTW please remove the reply to from your email client. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Asteroid 2009 DD45
--- Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: As I wrote repeatedly, we can LOTS about volcanoes. We can't stop them, of course, but we can prevent them from killing people or damaging equipment unnecessarily. We can mitigate the danger and financial loss. Horace Heffner also reiterated this. Same with volcanoes as it is with asteroids: we can save lives if we know ahead of time. If the thing blows (or enters atmosphere) without warning, people die. Only difference is, with our technological level, we CAN stop asteroids. Unless something happens a la Jack McDevitt's Moonfall. The notions that volcano monitoring is only good for doomsday prediction or that the intention is to do something to stop the volcano are ludicrous, and unscientific. I didn't say this. I said, asteroid defense makes more sense in light of the fact that we can do something about it. AFAIK, we can't stop eruptions. We should still keep an eye on them, but the point is, if we can spend money on vulcanology, we can spend it on asteroid defense. We should also keep an eye on asteroids, and possibly develop a method of deflecting them. Cold fusion and antigravity would be a great help in deflecting them. Assuming cold fusion ever amounts to anything. Look guys, it is time we stopped messing with making the most sensitive calorimeter in the world, and try to make the stuff simply work. Make a coffee pot with the thing, using whatever materials work, and brew up some Maxwell House. Then Park et al can choke on their java. This applies to all claims of overunity (whatever it is), antigravity (whatever it is), and so on. Doing la de da de da is for later. Just make a coffee maker with the thing, using raw heat, and that'll get people interested. Why can't we do this? If it is so well proven, as you assert, why can't anyone seem to reproduce it? Why are we doing experiment after experiment, changing things? Find one that works, stick with it, and heat some water. That aside, there is also no funding in the bill for antigravity or cold fusion, or anything of the sort. What's so wrong with nitpicking the damn thing? --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:Asteroid 2009 DD45
--- Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: A couple hemispherical metal salad bowls might work and are not too pricey at Wal-Mart. Good idea. I will get a couple of them, split some vinyl tubing down the side, and wrap the lip to prevent corona. Noticed Bill Beatty did some attempts at reproducing it, but with according to the late John Schnurer, the wrong polarity. Given that I have identical + and - 100kV supplies, I can try both ways. Where is Bill? Did he ever try it the other polarity? Will he ever reappear, wielding the Broom of Doom and clean up the mess that Vortex-L is becoming? Can we all get back to experiments, please? If *I* do some experiments relevant to the list and post results, will it garner any discussion, or just fade away into the abyss of religious and political nonsense? --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:Asteroid 2009 DD45
In reply to Kyle Mcallister's message of Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:22:23 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] This is not the scale of skywatch program we need. If people can scream about CO2 emissions, they damn sure ought to get a bit scared when a rock is discovered only 1.5 million miles away, heading basically right for us. What could we do in less than a week? Evacuate a city, which is approximately the amount of damage a 1 MT blast would do. With more advance notice, we might be able to do something. Larger rocks would be brighter in the sky, and would likely be detected earlier, giving us more time to act. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Energy News of the Weird: Denmark tilting at windmills
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:24:00 -0400: Hi, [snip] http://www.energinet.dk/da/menu/Nyheder/Nyhedsartikler/negative+elpriser.htm Unfortunately it's in Danish, which I can't read, even a little (and knowing a bit of German doesn't seem to help). Google's translator throws a shoe when it tries to translate the page and burps out ten frame headers and no text. AltaVista/Babelfish won't do Danish. So I'm in the dark as to what they actually said... There is also an English version of the site at http://www.energinet.dk/en/menu/Frontpage.htm# however I can't find the specific article, and their search engine is temporarily out of commission. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Energy News of the Weird: Denmark tilting at windmills
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:24:00 -0400: Hi, [snip] http://www.energinet.dk/da/menu/Nyheder/Nyhedsartikler/negative+elpriser.htm Unfortunately it's in Danish, which I can't read, even a little (and knowing a bit of German doesn't seem to help). Google's translator throws a shoe when it tries to translate the page and burps out ten frame headers and no text. AltaVista/Babelfish won't do Danish. So I'm in the dark as to what they actually said... I also found this http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article658546.ece Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Energy News of the Weird: Denmark tilting at windmills
In reply to Jeff Fink's message of Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:27:57 -0400: Hi Jeff, Thanks for clearing this up. Large base load nuclear and coal fired plants are not unresponsive. They can reduce load from 100% to 50% in a matter of minutes. The water volume is not an issue. Utilities are about producing power as cheaply as possible. It is expensive to run these large units at reduced power for several reasons that go beyond serious efficiency losses. Large daily load swings rapidly consume thermal fatigue life of major components. In the case of nuclear, some of the main areas of concern are components that are irreplaceable. Examples are the various pipe connections to reactor vessels and steam generators. Operating coal units at reduced load causes accelerated corrosion of some components, particularly the regenerative air heater that removes waste heat from the exhaust gas and transfers the heat to the incoming combustion air. These air heaters are huge rotating cylinders filled with tons of steel heat absorbing elements. At low loads, these heaters suffer cold end corrosion that rots out the elements requiring expensive repairs. Low load operation also causes erosion of expensive control valve seats and cavitation damage. It is not cost effective to allow wind turbines to force these base load units into low load operation. Coal fired plants burn coal dust. The dust is produced by pulverizing the coal in huge ball mills then blowing it into the furnace. This process approximates the characteristics of a gaseous fuel. Jeff [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Implications, eh? Like the implications of how why this stuff is getting from wherever it comes from -- and down everybody's pie-hole, like fatted geese being force-fed with a funnel..? [snip] It's more subtle than that. A better analogy would be geese that fight to get at the food. ;) No, it's not like that at all. We're being force-fed consumerism. Or we were, at any rate. BTW please remove the reply to from your email client. I've never had that request before. Ever. - -- grok. - -- *** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *** * BOYCOTT BOURGEOIS MASS-MEDIA: * McNews: UNfair UNbalanced * * Get mediaworx for your group/Internet/pirate tv/radio station! * Critical endorsement only Most sites need donations *** * http://www.socialist-tv.com Socialist-TV * * http://lasoundposse.org L.A. Sound Posse * * http://wintersoldierfilm.com Winter Soldier - The Film * * http://www.toddpnyc.com/bloqueo Bloqueo: Looking at Cuba Embargo * * http://www.theworld.org The World (internet radio) * * http://www.conceptionmedia.net ConceptionMedia * * http://www.walmartmovie.com WAL-MART: The High Cost of Low Price * ** Capitalism lives on borrowed time: the ultimate carry trade ** GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm1nQMACgkQXo3EtEYbt3F82gCg0F88Kb4toBexWVoDzxVSEwf8 2s4AoPMwMm2WUc0VZJLxYruYqR4loqRr =SQcA -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Asteroid 2009 DD45
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Same with volcanoes as it is with asteroids: we can save lives if we know ahead of time. If the thing blows (or enters atmosphere) without warning, people die. Only difference is, with our technological level, we CAN stop asteroids. Unless something happens a la Jack McDevitt's Moonfall. While no one can (yet) stop a pyroclastic flow-in-progress, there _is_ new tek out there to stop lava dead in its trax, apparently. And I would assume that the intelligent placement and detonation of hi-explosives could likely do much to redirect the forces which are about to explode onto whatever communities lie at the base of a volcano. Of course, the real problem is why people are forced to live so close to volcanos. You can always do agriculture on the slopes -- but live quite comfortably far away, for instance. Assuming cold fusion ever amounts to anything. Look guys, it is time we stopped messing with making the most sensitive calorimeter in the world, and try to make the stuff simply work. Make a coffee pot with the thing, using whatever materials work, and brew up some Maxwell House. Then Park et al can choke on their java. This applies to all claims of overunity (whatever it is), antigravity (whatever it is), and so on. Doing la de da de da is for later. Just make a coffee maker with the thing, using raw heat, and that'll get people interested. Why can't we do this? If it is so well proven, as you assert, why can't anyone seem to reproduce it? Why are we doing experiment after experiment, changing things? Find one that works, stick with it, and heat some water. How come no one ever answers this oft-made reasonable request with a working device..? The lack of any known response is what is giving all the skeptix a field-day. - -- grok. - -- *** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *** * Boycott the Bourgeois Economy: BUY PROGRESSIVE * ** Critical endorsement only * Gift-giving Year-round ** * http://www.counterpunch.org/books.htmlCounterPunch Books * * Consumer-Powered Conservation Products: * * http://www.wildlifeworks.com Wildlife Works * * http://www.palestineonlinestore.com Palestine Online Store * * http://www.greenpeace.ca/tissue Greenpeace Shopper's Guide * * http://www.leftbooks.com leftbooks.com * * http://www.mehring.com Mehring Books * * http://www.ufwstore.comUnited Farm Workers Store * ** Where the barricades end -- real democracy begins * GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm1ojgACgkQXo3EtEYbt3G0KwCdETbCtvixHN2U2TBpfw4sUZst H9sAn2pYNazs/NMpNymuS2PLADgIeZkG =ynPz -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Vo]:Science series podcasts from CBC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I haven't listened to the CBC for years and years (or most other bourgeois news outfits for that matter -- unlike most of youse, obviously), but this stuff has some very interesting discussion on the nature of Science and the scientific method and its history, etc. (aside from, of course, the inevitable -- and telling -- blindspots so invariable to even the enquiring bourgeois mind... ;) Youse all really might enjoy this stuff. Connect to your roots, and all that. ;P Easy MP3 downloads. 24(?) shows. - -- grok. IDEAS (show): HOW TO THINK ABOUT SCIENCE: http://www.cbc.ca/podcasting/pastpodcasts.html?45#ref45 - -- *** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *** * BOYCOTTS: Organized; Ad Hoc; Anticipated; Hoped-For: * Critical endorsement only *** Most sites need donations * http://www.bamn.com/boycott-coors/index.aspBoycott Coors * * http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com KFC cruelty to poultry * * http://www.globalwomenstrike.net Global Women's Strike * * http://catdestroyshomes.org Stop Caterpillar * * http://sustaincampaign.org Stop U.S.Tax-Funded Aid to Israel NOW * * Help Venezuela the Bolivarian Revolution: BUYcott yer gas only * * http://www.citgo.com/CITGOLocator/StoreLocator.jsp from CITGO! * * http://exposeexxon.com Exxpose Exxon * *** Military Technology: The Ultimate Prostitution of Science *** GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm1tkYACgkQXo3EtEYbt3GYpQCg2Grp0Jk/p9c90KWykOivvs40 Ce4AoNsDf/8hvwW9o3/9IhNN82bSfbCq =51E5 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Asteroid 2009 DD45
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Evacuate a city, which is approximately the amount of damage a 1 MT blast would do. One week ahead of time, could they determine with enough accuracy where the object will strike? Or would they have to say: 'evacuate everyplace from X west to Y'? I do not know enough about astronomy to judge. - Jed
[Vo]:Morton experiment
Hi, Okay, as per Horace's suggestion, made a crude spherical (er...kind of spherical) terminal out of two mixing bowls. Didn't go to WalMart, as that place frightens me, so I got them from Kmart. Duct taped them together at the seams, so as to make a crude corona seal. It works very well, actually. Fed by the HV terminal (negative WRT ground in this supply), it charges up with little leakage. Will jump a 2-3 gap to a flat metal plate. Sparks are intense, almost pure white with tinges of blue. Very loud, like a .22cal firing. !!! This power supply is not a toy !!! Power supply is a 6 stage (or 3 depending on how you look at it) full-wave Cockroft-Walton multiplier. Input is 10kV 23mA from a 'liberated' oil burner ignition transformer. Capacitors are .009uF each. Ground (0V) is to the center tap of the HV winding of the transformer, common to the center input of the multiplier stack, common to house ground, common to the dedicated RF ground I drove into the soil last summer for radio experiments. This ground has a lot in common. You might even say it covers a lot of ground. Sorry. Anyhow, the first experiment wasn't very great; I ran into the same problems that Bill Beatty had. The sparks do not like to hit the same place every time, and loathe going through the tube. I don't have large diameter glass tubing, so I used PVC, 3/4 inner diameter. When I get my bottlecutting hotwire running again, I'll snip the ends off a glass test tube and try it. An insulating plate of lexan or something similar might be good to go over the side of the metal plate facing the HV sphere terminal. The plate was connected to ground, had a hole drilled in the center, diameter of hole 1/4. The tube was glued to the plate, with the hole dead center facing through the tube. In any case, despite the fact that only one lonely spark ever went through the tube the RIGHT way, I placed my hands near the thing, in line with the hole, etc., and felt nothing untoward. The plate does rock back and forth each time a spark jumps to it, but this looks pretty conventional to me. If all goes well, and my health holds up (varies from day to day) I will try again tomorrow with a lexan spark shield. In case anyone's wondering, I can do the same thing with +HV, I have an identical multiplier supply. But the suggestion from John Schnurer to Bill B. back in the day was that only a negative charged sphere works. Otherwise the supposed anomalous force is reversed and weak. Probably this won't amount to anything, but it is simple, fun, and has a Frankenstein appeal to it, what with the sparks and all. Now where'd I put that Edgar Winter CD??? --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:Asteroid 2009 DD45
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:47:53 -0400: Hi, [snip] Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Evacuate a city, which is approximately the amount of damage a 1 MT blast would do. One week ahead of time, could they determine with enough accuracy where the object will strike? Or would they have to say: 'evacuate everyplace from X west to Y'? I do not know enough about astronomy to judge. I think after tracking it for 1 or 2 days they could come pretty close, and the closer it got the more accurate their determination. One could start by beginning to evacuate people from what would most likely be the impact point. If the zone was initially large, you could provide a general warning, and suggest that those who were able, leave. This might be applicable if the zone were to include e.g. the whole Eastern seaboard, but make clear that only a city sized area would ultimately be affected. That gives people a sense of their chances of survival if they stay put. It also ensures that those who are in a position to leave early do so, thus limiting the last minute congestion. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Morton experiment
In reply to Kyle Mcallister's message of Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:58:55 -0700 (PDT): Hi Kyle, [snip] In case anyone's wondering, I can do the same thing with +HV, I have an identical multiplier supply. But the suggestion from John Schnurer to Bill B. back in the day was that only a negative charged sphere works. Otherwise the supposed anomalous force is reversed and weak. [snip] I thought that in Podkletnov's experiment the device was a superconductor, and that the electron pairs in the superconductor were mandatory to getting an effect? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
