Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
The most probable explanation IMHO is that the guy is a prankster, besides doesn't he say so himself at the end of the 2nd video you linked to? Something like Look at me, I am the prankster, now you guys find how I did it. My bet is that there are batteries hidden within the stator assembly, maybe within the horizontal wooden supports, but there are so many ways the thing could be faked! Michel 2009/5/7 Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca: - Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow If the magnetic domain wall relaxation time is on the same order of size as the time between changes in magnetic field strength due to passage of the moving magnets, then a sort of magnetic refrigeration effect might occur, so that effectively the strength of the horseshoe magnet varied dynamically in such a way as to result in an average difference between the strength of attraction and repulsion, with the energy being supplied by ambient heat. I was also thinking that cooling effect might be explainable by conventional physics. However, I still don't think conventional physics can explain the rotational acceleration of the disk. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper and the normalization question
- Original Message From: Robin van Spaandonk In reply to Jones Beene's message IOW - the simplest explanation for LENR is that it is the result of a version of the Oppenheimer-Phillips effect - such that the neutron is stripped non-thermally from deuterium, due to containment and near field Coulomb shielding = and that this sub-thermal neutron is then adsorbed by Pd (the fuel) to result eventually in an alpha decay and around one MeV of mass energy - thus the helium. [snip]The reaction Pd106 + D - H + He4 + Rh103 has an energy excess of about 1 MeV, which is quite a bit less than has been reported as characteristic of the reaction. QED ! Which is to say: Ockham's razor is of little real use as a predictive aid. We live in a complex world and we want to simplify it, sure. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best, but most often it is not. Jones Which is NOT to say that the Oppenheimer-Phillips effect is eliminated ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppenheimer-Phillips_effect ...and it could well be one of several ongoing reactions in LENR, and in fact it probably is always there - since is by far the simplest kind of nuclear reaction, and with the lowest threshold. By always there - this would imply that it serves as a trigger for D+D fusion, where the hot alpha from the Pd reacts with an adjacent 'target deuteron' - which is kind of a like nanoscale inertial confinement type of hot fusion. The cold part would be due to the staged energy release. The 800 pound gorilla in the closet, for LENR has never been that fusion is impossible - it has always been where is the 24 MeV gamma?
[Vo]:Hey Kyle: power generating shocks
About a year or two ago Kyle, you jumped all over my idea of harnessing the power wasted in automobile shock absorbers. Check out the June 09 Popular Science, page 48. Jeff
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
Hewas being sarcastic when he called himself a prankster. He was reacting to the negative comments people made about his videos posted in March and April. Sure it may be faked. If batteries are hidden in the woodhow do they connect to the motor? Inone video (see link below) he lifts that stator assembly off the wood and we can see that it was simply resting on the wood. Hismost recentvideos are here: http://www.youtube.com/user/magneticmotor1 Harry t- Original Message - From: Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009 5:03 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow The most probable explanation IMHO is that the guy is a prankster, besides doesn't he say so himself at the end of the 2nd video you linked to? Something like "Look at me, I am the prankster, now you guys find how I did it". My bet is that there are batteries hidden within the stator assembly, maybe within the horizontal wooden supports, but there are so many ways the thing could be faked! Michel 2009/5/7 Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca: - Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow If the magnetic domain wall relaxation time is on the same order of size as the time between changes in magnetic field strength due to passag e of the moving magnets, then a sort of magnetic refrigeration effect might occur, so that effectively the strength of the horseshoe magnet varied dynamically in such a way as to result in an average difference between the strength of attraction and repulsion, with the energy being supplied by ambient heat. I was also thinking that cooling effect might be explainable by conventional physics. However, I still don't think conventional physics can explain the rotational acceleration of the disk. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Hey Kyle: power generating shocks
--- Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net wrote: About a year or two ago Kyle, you jumped all over my idea of harnessing the power wasted in automobile shock absorbers. Check out the June 09 Popular Science, page 48. Don't have it in front of me, but a little Googling turns up some things. 1kW of power is suggested over a 'standard stretch of road.' I don't know what that is, specifically, but: The bumpier the road, the more you get from the shock BACK, but the more you waste engine-wise. A suggestion was also made to have power-collecting speedbumps generate power to run streetlights. All sounds great, but...TANSTAAFL! You're simply consuming more power from the auto's engine, to be 'liberated' by the municipality for their lights. Not the mention, beating the car's suspension out from under it. Also, I can replace gas shocks in my car for about $18 per shock. My boss drives a Mercedes Benz S500. Each shock (there are four) is $1700. They fail regularly, also. I would be interested to know how much energy-harvesting shocks would cost the consumer. There are a lot of 'good ideas' out there, but implementation and the realities that follow are never what is originally expected or intended. Anyhow, whenever I come across the magazine itself, I will look and see what it says. As for right now, I'm gonna go build me-self a Mylow motor, and see what it does. 99%, it won't work. But hey...? --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
I could easily design such a hoax: Batteries connected to a solenoid triggered by a Hall effect gate such that, between the gap of the rotor magnets a pulse is triggered providing enough bump to keep the rotor going. All hidden in the woods so to speak. Terry On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca wrote: He was being sarcastic when he called himself a prankster. He was reacting to the negative comments people made about his videos posted in March and April. Sure it may be faked. If batteries are hidden in the wood how do they connect to the motor? In one video (see link below) he lifts that stator assembly off the wood and we can see that it was simply resting on the wood. His most recent videos are here: http://www.youtube.com/user/magneticmotor1 Harry t- Original Message - From: Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009 5:03 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow The most probable explanation IMHO is that the guy is a prankster, besides doesn't he say so himself at the end of the 2nd video you linked to? Something like Look at me, I am the prankster, now you guys find how I did it. My bet is that there are batteries hidden within the stator assembly, maybe within the horizontal wooden supports, but there are so many ways the thing could be faked! Michel 2009/5/7 Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca: - Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow If the magnetic domain wall relaxation time is on the same order of size as the time between changes in magnetic field strength due to passag e of the moving magnets, then a sort of magnetic refrigeration effect might occur, so that effectively the strength of the horseshoe magnet varied dynamically in such a way as to result in an average difference between the strength of attraction and repulsion, with the energy being supplied by ambient heat. I was also thinking that cooling effect might be explainable by conventional physics. However, I still don't think conventional physics can explain the rotational acceleration of the disk. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
--- Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I could easily design such a hoax: Batteries connected to a solenoid triggered by a Hall effect gate such that, between the gap of the rotor magnets a pulse is triggered providing enough bump to keep the rotor going. All hidden in the woods so to speak. While I think this thing probably will not work, I am building an attempted replication with my wife. We're heading back to the workshop now to continue, rotor is ready, and we'll make the stator. It is entertaining her, so that counts for something :) I wonder about the aluminum U channel. One could hide a few AAA's in there, and a small 'kicker' solenoid, and some control circuitry. A 555 would fit in there, if you really were careful about soldering to the pins, and made everything linear. It could be done. But what the hell, I'll give this a shot. Oh yes, assuming the cat that Mylow had in some of the videos is essential, my wife has several. We can always let them roam around the workshop while the thing is being tested, and hopefully the feline influence will bend the laws of thermodynamics a little. Yes, I am just kidding. ...or am I? cue lightning bolts, organ music --Kyle
[Vo]:Straws in the wind
Up until the 20th Anniversary and the 60 Minutes broadcast, nearly every reference to cold fusion in the mass media was either an attack, a joke, or cold fusion as example of something impossible, egghead, or mistaken. In recent weeks I have seen few articles like that, and several like these two: A letter to the editor in the Salt Lake Tribune: http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12327759?source=rss QUOTE: . . . Until cold fusion or hydrogen is developed (years away), nuclear power is our best option; proposed alternative energy options are cruel jokes. Here one at physorg.com: http://www.physorg.com/news161024861.html QUOTE 5. Nuclear: Perhaps the most controversial form of renewable energy is nuclear energy. Electricity is produced from the energy released by nuclear reactions. While fission (splitting) is the main source used today, interest continues in developing cold fusion. This links to another recent physorg.com article: http://www.physorg.com/news157046734.html Little things like this can have a large, cumulative effect. The physorg article has generated 40 visits to LENR-CANR.org in recent days. The CBS broadcast did not accomplish all that some people hoped it might, but it quelled the drumbeat of opposition and ridicule in the mass media, and behind the scenes it may be setting in motion serious interest and funding. Perhaps things are working out like in the last scene of the movie Force 10 from Navarone -- which I shall not describe, so as not to spoil the movie for those who have not seen it! It is an otherwise forgettable movie. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: --- Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: ...or am I? cue lightning bolts, organ music Kitty fur static electricity? Terry
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
From Kyle: ... While I think this thing probably will not work, I am building an attempted replication with my wife. We're heading back to the workshop now to continue, rotor is ready, and we'll make the stator. It is entertaining her, so that counts for something :) I wonder about the aluminum U channel. One could hide a few AAA's in there, and a small 'kicker' solenoid, and some control circuitry. A 555 would fit in there, if you really were careful about soldering to the pins, and made everything linear. It could be done. But what the hell, I'll give this a shot. Oh yes, assuming the cat that Mylow had in some of the videos is essential, my wife has several. We can always let them roam around the workshop while the thing is being tested, and hopefully the feline influence will bend the laws of thermodynamics a little. Yes, I am just kidding. ...or am I? cue lightning bolts, organ music --Kyle Have fun Kyle! Let us know the results. If you need to take a break I'd recommend the following short video clip. For me, the quintessential mad scientist has to be Dr. Bernardo, played by John Carradine in Woody Allen's classic film: Everything you wanted to know about Sex *, * but were Afraid to Ask. An amusing excerpt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf64xSG0mxo Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: --- Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder about the aluminum U channel. One could hide a few AAA's in there, and a small 'kicker' solenoid, and some control circuitry. Hmmm. And he has adjusted the stator with each demonstration. Turning on a switch to conserve the AAA's? Terry
RE: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
What if it's PK ( psykokinesis ) that'd be a paridigm shifter :-) .( and there's plenty of evidence that that exists, see http://www.williamjames.com/pkman.htm ). Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US http://HoytStearns.com -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:09 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: --- Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: ...or am I? cue lightning bolts, organ music Kitty fur static electricity? Terry
Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper and the normalization question
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 9 May 2009 06:04:41 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] By always there - this would imply that it serves as a trigger for D+D fusion, where the hot alpha from the Pd reacts with an adjacent 'target deuteron' - which is kind of a like nanoscale inertial confinement type of hot fusion. [snip] Which reaction do you envisage here? Assuming you mean that the alpha collides with one of the D's providing it with enough energy to overcome the Coulomb barrier and fuse with another one, then there are two problems:- 1) The alpha + Be9 reaction is commonly used as a neutron source, however googling has revealed in the past that only 1 neutron is created for about every 12000 alphas. This is because most alphas lose their energy ionizing atoms in the solid, and nuclei are so very small compared to atoms. IOW the chances of hitting another nucleus are pretty slim, particularly since both carry a positive charge. If roughly the same ratio holds true for your scenario, then the energy from the DD reactions would be swamped by that from the Pd reactions, and would be unnoticeable, thus back to square one. 2) The resulting normal D-D fusion would essentially produce T + P He3 + n, not He4. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper and the normalization question
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 08 May 2009 11:07:04 -0400: Hi Jed, [snip] I should add that Martin Fleischmann also thinks highly of Mengoli. He considers him one of the world's top electrochemists. Mengoli retired several years ago. At issue has arisen in the discussion of this paper and in my earlier message Rough comparison of cold fusion Pd to UO2. The question is: to what part of the cell should you normalize the energy? The cathode? Or all of the parts on inside the calorimeter walls? Or, at the other extreme, do you only count the deuterium that is consumed, which can only be estimated by measuring the helium produced? [snip] The big difference is that CF produces little or no dangerous radiation, while fission reactors produce so much that they need huge containment buildings. If you want a fair comparison, then you probably need to include the mass of the fission containment as well. This makes a tremendous difference. It means that fission reactors must by their very nature provide centralized power, whereas CF will lend itself to distributed power production. That changes the whole equation, and with it the very basis of most of society. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
