Re: [Vo]:Padua University not Siena made the analysis
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The lies and double-talk, from both DGT and Rossi are too bizarre for words. I cannot tell which side is lying, but I agree the double-talk is bizarre. It sure is! And as I said, the fact that Defkalion has allowed this dispute to fester for months, when they claimed they could demonstrate a device, is appalling. I told them that. They did not want to hear it. I tell many people in this field things they do not wish to hear. So does Krivit, but I am much more polite about it, I hope. Plus he makes stuff up, as far as I can tell. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi responds to Defkalion Hyperion technical spec release
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:09 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From MY: From Rossi: ... E-CATS ARE FOR SALE ONLY FOR WHAT CONCERNS 1 THERMAL MW PLANTS, BECAUSE THE 10 KW E-CATS ARE NOT YET CERTIFIED ... I made the mistake of browsing through my filter pile. I found this from MY: I'm confused. Megawatt nuclear fusion plants are certified (or don't need certification)? In what country and which universe? Who will provide liability insurance for [Rossi's eCats]? Of course Megawatt nuclear fusion plants need some kind of certification. It is only natural to also speculate that the technology pertaining to Rossi/Defkalion gadgets will probably need some kind of certification too, particularly since they all claim a nuclear process is involved. We agree on that. Yet Rossi says he sold a megawatt gadget that uses some sort of mass to energy conversion and he didn't seem to get any certification -- not any he showed or talked about anyhow. In fact, he implied that because this device is industrial grade, it doesn't need it! MY seems to live in a universe where she seems to think she is the first person who has just realized this issue.She seems to have conveniently ignored numerous posts from Mr. Rothwell who has already discussed the ramifications of this very issue numerous times. Yes, it most likely WILL be a prickly issue. Rossi says he sold 12 more of his so-called plants. How does that work without certification? And IIRC they are supposedly going to the US where regulation is especially strict. Meanwhile, it is interesting to note that lately MY seems to have shifted her arguments from the premise that Rossi's eCats are most likely a scam operation to speculation that while they might actually be for real nobody in their right mind will want to certify them. Not at all. I am pointing out that there is *yet another* inherent contradiction in Rossi's writings on his blog. I still think it's most likely a scam operation. Rossi implies in the text he wrote which I quoted that he can get away without certification for a megawatt plant. He implies that he can do that because it's for industry rather than for the home. But that's nonsense. People who spout nonsense repeatedly like Rossi does, usually are scammers. Or do you really believe he had a large nuclear fusion heater warming his factory for a year and do you really believe he enriches nickel isotopes on the cheap and do you really believe he has a self destruct device in every E-cat module? That's what he's said and much more weirdness. IOW, the line in the sand has been redrawn. I suspect the line in the sand will be redrawn several more times before this is all over. The line in the sand hasn't mover a millimeter and it's always the same : INDEPENDENT TESTING by a credible source. That's all. Just once -- either for Rossi or Defkalion -- it's low risk (black box), cheap, quick and fairly easy. And they won't do it. And before someone chides me for repetition, it seems the believers tend to forget that bottom line.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion's changing stance on whether this is cold fusion
And the description is more similar to Piantelli's understanding of the ptocess as described in the Pontignano Poster and/or WO 2010/068288. *Chemically asssisted* LENR seems to show that the added chemical (both Rossi's and their) is enhancing in some way the Ni-H reactions. Peter On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This is a minor issue compared to the rest of the brouhaha, but I note that Defkalion appears to be changing their tune regarding whether this is cold fusion or something else. In their white paper released in June, they said: The field of energy research known as 'cold fusion' has positive and negative connotations. It is also called LENR. Hundreds of man-years of research have been committed to cold fusion, hoping to achieve the ultimate energy dream: limitless energy. However, overall, a stigma has created ambiguous feelings that the researchers aim to reach the end of the rainbow. The science behind the products of Defkalion is not related to cold fusion, even though it is identified as such in current media coverage. When I read that I thought: Who are they trying to kid? Of course it is cold fusion. I base that on what McKubre calls the conservation of miracles. I assume they were trying to avoid the negative connotations of cold fusion. Their statement is understandable . . . but lame. I regard this as doubletalk. I agree with Jones Beene that it is annoying. Now they say: Defkalion’s scientific RD team have successfully managed to trigger and monitor Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions caused by Nickel and Hydrogen nuclei. Following extensive experimentation on the preparation, cleaning and degassing of Nickel clusters and atomic Hydrogen systems, valuable knowledge has been gained. The data was obtained from conventional, non-specifically designed for LENR instrumentation, such as mass-spectrometer, gas-chromatographer, Wilson camera, SEM spectra and others. That's more like it. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Cyclone Power turbines
That burns (various) fuel ... making 1200F steam in the coils. No good for ecats/Hypes. - Original Message - http://www.cyclonepower.com
[Vo]: seen question (in french) on areva forum
I've seen a forum question to Areva on their forum, askin if they have research on LENR It's written in french, http://www.areva.com/ajaxpub/Dialog/DetailQuestion.aspx?show=3idQuestion=975 Someone ask also them their opinion on E-cat and hyperion, and alerting if they have legal data about fraud. Sure if they can prove it is a scam they will tell to the public... if not... hum... I don't think they can admit it works.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion's changing stance on whether this is cold fusion
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: Whenever I've read of people studying this effect who've disavowed 'cold fusion', it wasn't that they were disavowing a nuclear reaction . . . In this case they have disavowed any connection to other research: The science behind the products of Defkalion is not related to cold fusion, even though it is identified as such in current media coverage. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:I urge Defkalion to allow a third-party test
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This is an exercise in futility but I copied part of a message I posted here to the Defkalion forum: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4232#p4232 Thank you, thank you, thank you. Excellent.
Re: [Vo]:The market price for a 45 kW water heater is about $5000
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: A Hyperion resembles this. This is the market price for such a device. Ah yes, but only 98% efficient. Much less than 3500%, eh? ;-) T
Re: [Vo]:Cyclone Power turbines
On Dec 1, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Someone at the Defkalion brought this up. It looks promising. See: http://www.cyclonepower.com http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=548 - Jed Sterling engines have much promise. Perhaps now that the cost of photovoltaic is less than solar thermal, the sterling engine manfactuing capacity aimed for that market can be channeled toward other applications. See: http://www.stirlingengine.com/ Here is a most interesting quote: Our new Traveling Wave Stirling engine has only one piston and no displacer. Frankly we aren't sure why it works. It's new, it's exciting, and there is no obvious reason (even to us) why it works. The main cylinder is made from quartz glass so you can see everything that's inside. http://www.stirlingengine.com/product/94 With only one piston, we aren't really sure why this works. It's amazing! Our Price: $2977.00 Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Cyclone Power turbines
On Dec 1, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Someone at the Defkalion brought this up. It looks promising. See: http://www.cyclonepower.com http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=548 - Jed Infinia has a nice small unit for home use: http://www.infiniacorp.com/micro-chp.html These systems use about 95 percent of the energy contained in the natural gas, or other fuel, dramatically reducing the need for grid electricity, which is delivered at an average efficiency of about 30 percent. They use much higher temperatures though. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Lenard tube... Rossi style
V, Whatever side of the aisle you fall on with regards to Rossi, you got to admit, given his slap-it-together plumbing style, a Lenard ray tube built from a booze bottle, kitchen foil, and hardware store crap is right up their alley. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FYVBsGCUVg Gotta admit, Clagwell's is much prettier, but the above has, I'm told, a certain Sanford and Son charm to it. Warning: if the bottle you use contains an alcoholic beverage, the experiment is a FAILURE unless you consume said contents previously, simply on general principle. --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:Rossi clarification on Bianchini
No, this is a good one but I think that if you are addressing an international audience to use dottore as doctor is misleading. The old itian laurea, allowed you to call yourself a dottore, but laurea is not the equivalent of a doctorate. So it is very misleading. From wiki: The term *dottore* is frequently used in Italy to refer to any person with a university *Laurea*: thus, a person with a *laurea magistrale* uses the title dottore magistrale and a person with a *laurea triennale* uses the title of dottore. Those unfamiliar with the Italian university system or the Italian use of titles should note that a *dottore* or *dottoressa* in an Italian context does not necessarily hold a Ph.D. Holders of the* dottorato* acquire the title of *dottore di ricerca* (doctor of research) also abbreviated to Dott. Ric. or Ph.D.. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2011-12-02 02:38, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: Rossi needs to stop to call himself a Doctor. This is one of the things that shows me how fake he is, exactly as his degree. So, is this degree fake? http://www.nyteknik.se/**incoming/article3197200.ece/** BINARY/Rossi_degree_**University_Milan.pdfhttp://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3197200.ece/BINARY/Rossi_degree_University_Milan.pdf Cheers, S.A.
