Re: [Vo]:MFMP has presented the strongest evidence of excess heat due to LENR so far

[Mark Jurich]

Hi Alberto:

   Great job on the plotting.  I am going to refrain commenting about excess 
heat at this time, but I have a few suggestions/comments:

1) It is my understanding that the Coil Resistance is 8.5 ohms cold (Room 
Temperature) and the largest value I heard Alan mention during the experiment 
was 9.1 ohms.  At this point, I would assume a linear relationship with 
temperature of the Coil Resistance, and using the two data points given (9.1 
ohm at the maximum obtained temperature), replot the power curve taking into 
account the Coil Resistance Variation.

2) Annotate the two “Y” Axis (Left/Right) as Temperature [C] and Power [W].

3) Compute/Estimate the Heat Capacity of the Null Reactor/Cell and the Fueled 
Cell, and divide the two.  This will give us an idea how large the Cells are 
off from each other.  The Null Cell has the same pressure as the Fueled Cell, 
but is “filled” with an Alumina Plug with a “Press Fit”.  The Fueled Cell has 
Nickel and much more Hydrogen Gas by Volume than the Null Cell.  Hydrogen Gas 
has a Heat Capacity Value, itself.  Those are the differences in Heat Capacity 
and Thermal Mass.  You can start with a Heat Capacity of an Alumina Cylinder 
and Kanthal Heater Coil of given diameter (sorry, I don’t recall the diameter 
off the top of my head).  There is a rather nice drawing Alan made with the 
dimensions.  If you need some help, post and I am sure we will help out where 
we can.

Also, unfortunately Heat Capacity is a function of temperature and we will have 
to dig up some data on that, to make a better estimate.

Thanks and keep up the good work!

- Mark


From: Alberto De Souza 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 8:30 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: [Vo]:MFMP has presented the strongest evidence of excess heat due to 
LENR so far

In the graph attached, I have plotted data made public by the MFMP. The graph 
shows the temperature in a (null hypothesis) empty reactor (that was run in 
series with a loaded reactor), the temperature of the loaded reactor, and the 
power applied to both; both reactors were heated by the resistances of the same 
value. The three variables were plotted according to a moving average of 1000 
samples. The power was computed by squaring the voltage and dividing it by 8.6 
(the resistance of the heater). As the graph shows, there is strong evidence of 
excess heat - the power applied to the system reduces, but the active reactor 
increases its temperature. IMHO, this experiment is the best proof of excess 
heat due to LENR so far.


Alberto.


ps. link to graph: 
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=914302228591022&set=p.914302228591022&type=1

[Vo]:MFMP has presented the strongest evidence of excess heat due to LENR so far

[Alberto De Souza]

In the graph attached, I have plotted data made public by the MFMP. The
graph shows the temperature in a (null hypothesis) empty reactor (that was
run in series with a loaded reactor), the temperature of the loaded
reactor, and the power applied to both; both reactors were heated by the
resistances of the same value. The three variables were plotted according
to a moving average of 1000 samples. The power was computed by squaring the
voltage and dividing it by 8.6 (the resistance of the heater). As the graph
shows, there is strong evidence of excess heat - the power applied to the
system reduces, but the active reactor increases its temperature. IMHO,
this experiment is the best proof of excess heat due to LENR so far.

Alberto.

ps. link to graph:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=914302228591022&set=p.914302228591022&type=1

RE: [Vo]:Sort of on-topic question about electrolysis and anodic chemistry

[Jones Beene]

PVC has good resistance to HCl and to chlorine gas, but not to the ion. 
However, negative ions being attracted to the surface of an anode is not enough 
to cause current to flow, as the ions must actually remove electrons for that 
to happen. Until current flows, there will be no hydrogen release from the 
cathode, and the electrolysis reaction will stop . 

Catch-22 if and when current flows, chlorine ions convert to gas 
preferentially, and PVC is resistant to the gas. Bottom line, it would not be 
easy to chlorinate PVC by electrolysis. 

From: James Bowery 

Let's say you have a solution of NaCl and place an anode and a cathode into it. 
 Ordinarily you'll get chlorine evolving at the anode and hydrogen at the 
cathode.

What if you sealed the anode in (insulating) polyvinyl chloride?  Would the PVC 
convert to chlorinated polyvinyl chloride and liberate hydrogen gas there as 
well?

I mean Cl- ions are being attracted to the positive electric potential of the 
anode even through its surface is not conducting, and quoting the Wikipedia 
article on CPVC   
production:


Chlorinated Polyvinyl Chloride (CPVC) is PVC (polyvinyl chloride) that has been 
chlorinated via a free radical chlorination 
  reaction. This 
reaction is typically initiated by application of thermal or UV 
  energy utilizing various 
approaches. In the process, chlorine   
gas is decomposed into free radical 
  chlorine which is then 
reacted with PVC in a post-production step, essentially replacing a portion of 
the hydrogen in the PVC with chlorine.

Re: [Vo]:Jiang responds to questions from e-catworld

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Nice dodge!

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:50 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:
>
> Will you vouch for his credibility?
>>
>
> What an idiotic comment! No, his credibility can only be established by
> replication. This is science, not a high school prom.
>
> - Jed
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Jiang responds to questions from e-catworld

[Jed Rothwell]

Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:

Will you vouch for his credibility?
>

What an idiotic comment! No, his credibility can only be established by
replication. This is science, not a high school prom.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Jiang responds to questions from e-catworld

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Will you vouch for his credibility?

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:50 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> See:
>
>
> http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/06/01/songsheng-jiang-answers-questions-on-lenr-replication-report/
>
> He is a good guy. I have worked with him. His English is excellent, which
> is what I tend to notice as a copy editor.
>
>
> - Jed
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR history still repeats itself--magnetic fields control--

[Bob Cook]

In a recent comment regarding the new Chinese experiments, Hank Mills in  the 
Rossi Blog reader notes the apparent influence of magnetic fields on the LENR 
process. 

The nuclear spin states change with magnetic field strength, and, IMHO,  via 
resonant coupling, give up energy with a loss of mass in small spin energy 
quanta to the lattice electrons, with all reactants in the same coherent 
nano-sized structure.  One would expect to see very rapid phonic changes, 
(heat) in the Ni nano system lattice with deformation or melting of that system.

The rapid changes in the Chinese experiment associated with direct current 
changes (with its magnetic field) were too fast to be induced by temperature 
increases, according to Mills.

A dispersion of the reactants within a good high temperature magnetic heat 
conductor may make for a good fuel system.  That would allow isolation of the 
nano structures so that high temperatures would not change them and make them 
sterile.  Nano scale melting within the dispersion reactor element would be 
allow per design.  In this way  a larger, long life reactor could be designed 
with control being accomplished by moving the fuel or the magnetic field as 
desired. Control of the power output could be accomplished by changing the  
extent of the magnetic along the fuel system.

Bob Cook 

From: Bob Cook 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:28 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: [Vo]:Re: LENR history still repeats itself

Axil--

Thanks for that important heads-up.

My thoughts on what is warranted:

1.  EM monitors to measure nuclear magnetic spin transitions covering the range 
of energies expected for spin state transitions.  The instruments should be 
able to create an overlying H magetic field to provide the capability to change 
this field and the resulting B field within the reacting material.   This is 
warranted to determine the material (nucleus) responsible for any observed EM 
emission.  MRI technolgy—nuclear spin quantum energy states as affected by a 
magnetic field, polarization of the nucleus in a magnetic field and the design 
procedures for MRI equipment are pertinent.

2.   An arrangement of several coincident gamma monitors  set up like spokes on 
a wheel to look for  back-to-back .51 MEV photons  associated with beta+ decay 
of Ni isotopes.  The axis of the array should be variable to line up with 
magnetic fields and any other geometry associated with the reactor design 
and/or the ambient conditions.

3. Instruments to detect spp pheomena, potentially using magnetic inductance 
coils to monitor rapidly changing magnetic fields associated with spp solitrons.

4. Probes to monitor phonic energy state changes that occur quickly in discrete 
quantum steps associated with electron spin energy coupling  to loss of spin 
energy  nuclear mass.

Bob Cook


From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 4:07 PMes
To: vortex-l 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR history still repeats itself

https://youtu.be/iS4qNbMCBL0?t=4057

At 1:05 into the video near the end, National instriments states that they want 
to support the development of cold fusion by developing tools that researchers 
need to produce data from which theories can be developed. 

National instriments wants MFMP to tell them what tools they need to solve the 
cold fusion issue. It is time to reach out to National Instriments to get 
everything required to make progress in MFMP experiments.


also

http://coldfusionnow.org/james-truchard-opening-niweek-2012-ni-gives-free-labview-to-cold-fusion-scientists-since-1989/

Dr Truchard the founder of National Instriments has supported cold fusion 
research for years, offering LabView software free to all researchers in the 
field. Last year, LENR featured prominently at NIWeek 2012, the National 
Instruments showcase of their new products and solutions for scientific 
research.



Its now time that MFMP enter into a partnership with National Instriments so 
that they might get their share of National instriments free experimental 
equipment and technecal support.

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

  But sooner or later this will change for progress

  This is for today:

  
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/05/new-results-will-be-analysed-to-death.html


  See you next day/week/month i.e. tomorrow!

  Yours,
  Peter

  -- 

  Dr. Peter Gluck 
  Cluj, Romania
  http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:Sort of on-topic question about electrolysis and anodic chemistry

[James Bowery]

Let's say you have a solution of NaCl and place an anode and a cathode into
it.  Ordinarily you'll get chlorine evolving at the anode and hydrogen at
the cathode.

What if you sealed the anode in (insulating) polyvinyl chloride?  Would the
PVC convert to chlorinated polyvinyl chloride and liberate hydrogen gas
there as well?

I mean Cl- ions are being attracted to the positive electric potential of
the anode even through its surface is not conducting, and quoting the Wikipedia
article on CPVC
 production:


Chlorinated Polyvinyl Chloride (CPVC) is PVC (polyvinyl chloride) that has
been chlorinated via a free radical chlorination
 reaction. This
reaction is typically initiated by application of thermal or UV
 energy utilizing various
approaches. In the process, chlorine
 gas
is decomposed into free radical
 chlorine which is then
reacted with PVC in a post-production step, essentially replacing a portion
of the hydrogen in the PVC with chlorine.

[Vo]:Jiang responds to questions from e-catworld

[Jed Rothwell]

See:

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/06/01/songsheng-jiang-answers-questions-on-lenr-replication-report/

He is a good guy. I have worked with him. His English is excellent, which
is what I tend to notice as a copy editor.

- Jed

[Vo]:Abd Lomax and daughter Lucy 13 will do road trip to visit cold fusion (LENR, AHE) researchers June 13 to July 28, starting Northampton MA: Rich Murray 2015.06.01

[Rich Murray]

Abd Lomax and daughter Lucy 13 will do road trip to visit cold fusion
(LENR, AHE) researchers June 13 to July 28, starting Northampton MA: Rich
Murray 2015.06.01


Abd is a multifaceted being, deeply flexible, earnest and creative.

I'm looking forward to treating him to Aroma Thai restaurant in Imperial
Beach, California, 10 miles S of San Diego -- may find friends who can
provide a sleep over space.

Pam Mosier-Boss has a nice large house in north San Diego, as he probably
already knows.

Travelling in a car or van?

happily, Rich Murray

10:56 am PDT Monday 2015.06.01

Would someone please put this on Vortex?

I am driving across the U.S. with my daughter (Lucy, 13), to visit
cold fusion (LENR, AHE) researchers. It would be fantastic to meet
others interested in cold fusion, and it is possible that I could
speak to groups, small or large.

We are also looking for places to stay. I have received funding,
through Infusion Institute (III), courtesy of the Anthropocene
Institute, that is enough to cover this trip, but the more I can keep
expenses down, the more is available for the purposes of III (which
is intended to facilitate basic cold fusion research).

III is *not* a research institution, its goal is to support researchers.

Likely departure date, from Northampton, MA, is June 13. Where we
expect to be (though not all locations have been confirmed) is:

Washington, DC
Georgia?
Austin, Texas
Lubbock, Texas
Cloudcroft, NM
Albuquerque, NM
Santa Fe, NM
Tucson, AZ
San Diego, CA
Los Angeles, CA
Carpinteria, CA
San Rafael, CA (and many places in the San Francisco Bay Area)
Davis, CA
Salt Lake City, UT
Boulder, CO
Colorato Springs, CO
Columbia, MO
Toronto, ON
and home by July 28.

We may visit MIT in Cambridge, MA, before or after this trip.

We may add a segment that goes north from California. The route may
be altered depending on what opportunities arise.

Please contact me at abd at lomaxdesign.com if interested in meeting
or in supporting this travel in some way.

newvor...@yahoogroups.com

Posted by: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax 


"As a matter of course, every soul citizen of Earth has a priority to
quickly find and positively share evidence for healthy and safe food,
drink, environment, and society."

within the fellowship of service,

Rich Murray,
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BS MIT 1964 history and physics,
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[Vo]:about Research Ideology of the LENR teams and organizations

[Peter Gluck]

I just published:

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/06/lenr-fighters-coming-but-what-is-their.html

Research Ideology is fundamental; what is atstake is the rate, speed at
which the inevitable glorious future of LENR will arrive to the Mankind

Peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com