[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[H LV]

On Mar 5, 2016 8:15 PM,  wrote:
>
> In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 16:00:49 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:52 PM,   wrote:
> >> In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 11:48:56 -0500:
> >> Hi,
> >> [snip]
> >>>In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
> >>>energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
> >>>of the vibrational states of the lattice. I think this process could
> >>>be inverted where the vibrational energy of the lattice is absorbed by
> >>>a nucleus.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Harry
> >>
> >> There is very little recoil energy during gamma-ray emission.
> >
> >Yes...and?
>
> ...IOW the normal process is little energy shared with the lattice. Now
you want
> to "invert" the process but have a lot of energy concentrated in the
nucleus.
> What I am suggesting is that this wouldn't even be a true inversion of the
> original process.

This process would need to be repeated millions or billions of times to
concentrate a lot of energy in the nucleus. If you can think of a better
descriptor then please do.
Harry

Re: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

[Eric Walker]

I wrote:

Breakdown of an inexpensive K-type thermocouple?
>

Indeed -- it seems that K-type thermocouples are found to suffer
unpredictable degradation in hydrogen atmospheres at temperatures above 900
C:

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2836-Good-Calorimetry-articles/

Presumably not just inexpensive K-type thermocouples are affected.  This
post should be required reading for anyone doing or following thermometry
experiments. The suggestion is to use N-type or S-type thermocouples
instead.  But also perhaps another reason to use genuine calorimetry.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Yet another Rossi replication reported from China

[Eric Walker]

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

The one thing that many of these replication attempts have in common is an
> apparent threshold temperature of about 1200C before gain starts.
>
>
>
> It would be helpful and intuitive, moving forward, to know what this
> temperature relates to, exactly.
>

Breakdown of an inexpensive K-type thermocouple?

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Lunar LENR?

[Eric Walker]

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Stephen Cooke 
wrote:

[Quoting an abstract:] In spite of the fact that the X-ray surface
> brightness is estimated to be at nearly CXB (Cosmic X-ray Background)
> level, the X-ray spectrum shows significant deviations in relation to Al-K
> and Si-K fluorescence X-rays.


Aluminum (26Al, trace) has electron capture as a decay mode and silicon
(32Si, trace) has beta decay as a decay mode.  Silicon was discussed a few
weeks ago on this list in connection with ball lightning.  To hazard a
mechanism: cosmic rays or unattenuated solar x-rays may be triggering these
decay modes in aluminium and silicon on the surface of the moon.

As a follow on to this study, additional characteristic lines to look for
would be K-K or K-L lines for potassium (40K, 0.012 percent), which has
both electron capture and beta decay as decay modes.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:RE: High Harmoinc Generation in the glow-tube reactor

[Eric Walker]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

BTW in muon decay, the electron is extremely fast and expected to have a
> steep peak at 52 MeV which would provide massive bremsstrahlung in a lead
> target, even (especially) in the situation of little or no excess heat seen
> in the reactor itself.


This energy is so large I wonder whether you'd see Cerenkov radiation
outside of the reactor with your own eyes.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:a number (value) worth a million words for LENR

[Axil Axil]

Yes, this is a mistruth.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Peter Gluck 
> wrote:
>
> do not take this literally
>>
>> I bet we will have more info tomorrow or even later today
>>
>>
>> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/03/mar-04-2016-number-worth-million-words.html
>>
>
> Quoted from your blog post:
>
> Andrea Rossi
> March 4, 2016 at 10:02 AM
>
> Gerard McEk:
> The radiations have always been measured and no radiation above the
> background have ever been measured in 6 years.
> The cause of weight, so far, is thought to be caused by tiredness for
> excessive physical effort. Obviously my doctors have ordered a complete
> list of analysis and scopies.
> Warm Regards,
> A.R.
>
>
> Either my memory is bad, or Rossi's is, because I recall there being lead
> shielding at one point whose purpose was explained to be to thermalize
> "gammas".
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:a number (value) worth a million words for LENR

[Eric Walker]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

do not take this literally
>
> I bet we will have more info tomorrow or even later today
>
>
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/03/mar-04-2016-number-worth-million-words.html
>

Quoted from your blog post:

Andrea Rossi
March 4, 2016 at 10:02 AM

Gerard McEk:
The radiations have always been measured and no radiation above the
background have ever been measured in 6 years.
The cause of weight, so far, is thought to be caused by tiredness for
excessive physical effort. Obviously my doctors have ordered a complete
list of analysis and scopies.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


Either my memory is bad, or Rossi's is, because I recall there being lead
shielding at one point whose purpose was explained to be to thermalize
"gammas".

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[mixent]

In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 18:46:19 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
>On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 10:48 AM, H LV  wrote:
>
>In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
>> energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
>> of the vibrational states of the lattice.
>
>
>I've always wondered about the explanation that the Mossbauer effect occurs
>because the lattice as a whole absorbs the recoil energy.  This case seems
>indistinguishable from the one where the nucleus is vibrating back and
>forth horizontally and emits the photon as it is moving forward, in the
>direction of travel, causing the recoil to cancel.  Is anyone familiar
>enough with the Mossbauer effect to explain why this alternative
>explanation is ruled out?

AFAIK, it also happens. Check out "phonon wing" in relation to the Mössbauer
effect.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[mixent]

In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 16:00:49 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:52 PM,   wrote:
>> In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 11:48:56 -0500:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>>>In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
>>>energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
>>>of the vibrational states of the lattice. I think this process could
>>>be inverted where the vibrational energy of the lattice is absorbed by
>>>a nucleus.
>>>
>>>
>>>Harry
>>
>> There is very little recoil energy during gamma-ray emission.
>
>Yes...and?

...IOW the normal process is little energy shared with the lattice. Now you want
to "invert" the process but have a lot of energy concentrated in the nucleus.
What I am suggesting is that this wouldn't even be a true inversion of the
original process.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[Eric Walker]

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 10:48 AM, H LV  wrote:

In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
> energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
> of the vibrational states of the lattice.


I've always wondered about the explanation that the Mossbauer effect occurs
because the lattice as a whole absorbs the recoil energy.  This case seems
indistinguishable from the one where the nucleus is vibrating back and
forth horizontally and emits the photon as it is moving forward, in the
direction of travel, causing the recoil to cancel.  Is anyone familiar
enough with the Mossbauer effect to explain why this alternative
explanation is ruled out?

Eric

Re: [Vo]:a number (value) worth a million words for LENR

[Craig Haynie]

The number is a little too perfect, don't you think?

8,400,000 kwh / 350 days / 24 hours/day = exactly 1.000 mw of power
output.

Craig


On Fri, 2016-03-04 at 19:57 +0200, Peter Gluck wrote:
> 
> 
> do not take this literally
> 
> 
> I bet we will have more info tomorrow or even later today
> 
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/03/mar-04-2016-number-worth-million-words.html
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:RE: High Harmoinc Generation in the glow-tube reactor

[mixent]

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 06:34:32 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>Now, can we say that the proton always contains pions? 

Not according to the standard model.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[H LV]

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:52 PM,   wrote:
> In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 11:48:56 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
>>In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
>>energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
>>of the vibrational states of the lattice. I think this process could
>>be inverted where the vibrational energy of the lattice is absorbed by
>>a nucleus.
>>
>>
>>Harry
>
> There is very little recoil energy during gamma-ray emission.

Yes...and?

Harry

Re: [Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[mixent]

In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 11:48:56 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
>energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
>of the vibrational states of the lattice. I think this process could
>be inverted where the vibrational energy of the lattice is absorbed by
>a nucleus.
>
>
>Harry

There is very little recoil energy during gamma-ray emission.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:Cavitation in the SunCell

[Axil Axil]

What makes me believe that the Mills SunCell is a cavitation based system
is the degree that his electrodes were pitted, Mills had to go with a
liquid electrode system to get around the solid electrode degradation
problem.

His system also requires water to work.

Re: [Vo]:RE: High Harmoinc Generation in the glow-tube reactor

[Bob Cook]

Does anyone have a good email contact for Stubbs?  The one listed in the Stubbs 
pdf paper does not go through.


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Russ--




The Stubbs’s theory sounds a lot like the theory of Philippe Hatt presented at 
the ICCF-19 conference.   Hatt’s theory predicts the physical parameters of the 
proton, neutron quite accurately compared to anything else I know of .
Stubbs and Hatt should get together. 




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Holy Muon Batman this is one staggering paper…

 



From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 10:08 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:RE: High Harmoinc Generation in the glow-tube reactor

 

If the plot of the radiation spectrum from a glow-tube reactor encased in lead- 
turns out to be typical of bremsstrahlung of high speed electrons, instead of 
gamma radiation, the following is presented as an interpretation.

“An Alternative to the Quark-Gluon Structure of the Proton” by William L. 
Stubbs – which can explain, or partially explain, Holmlid’s mysterious muon 
results.

http://vixra.org/abs/1511.0191

Stubbs presents a new model of the proton by reanalyzing the SLAC proton and 
deuteron F2 curves. He shows that the proton can be modeled accurately as nine 
muons. [IMO - since this is quantum mechanical, there could be two valid views 
both of which are correct, depending on circumstances]. 

Stubbs concludes that the deep inelastic scattering data supports a simpler 
model of the proton than the standard quark-gluon model, at least for 
explaining certain phenomena of proton disintegration. To counter one 
objection: it is well known that muons and antimuons are completely stable 
together below a threshold of acceleration, just like the quark and antiquark 
coexist in every nucleus of matter. Antimuons operate to provide the same 
functionality as gluons. Holmlid’s detection of high levels of muons some 
distance from his reactor may provide experimental evidence of such a situation.

BTW in muon decay, the electron is extremely fast and expected to have a steep 
peak at 52 MeV which would provide massive bremsstrahlung in a lead target, 
even (especially) in the situation of little or no excess heat seen in the 
reactor itself. 

_
… The important part of the Hagelstein slides is for assessing what could be 
happening in the glow-tube reactor, IF high energy radiation is seen in the 
range of 2.7 MeV... this is an apparent target “signature” to look for, at 
least when deuterium is the fuel (it would be a much different signature for 
protium). If this signature should show itself in glow tube testing, it would 
be a huge advancement in understanding… even if the counts are low (they are 
expected to be low).

[Vo]:Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor

[H Ucar]

This is a serious achievement I think where TU/e wrote a declaration about 
Mumammer Yildiz magnet motor that state it runs and drives a load (without an 
input) and consists of plastic parts, magnets, fixing screws and a steel axis 
(shaft) and disks.
https://plus.google.com/104472960710595563193/posts/4LMQV3TzmvM

BTW, Mr. Yildiz has been at Istanbul Inventors Fair at 3-6 March 2016 where I 
visited his stand and witnessed starting of the motor, running about three 
hours and stopping it manually.
In contrast to internet community, engineers, academicians, business men and 
institutional top people who visited him in my presence there were not 
skeptical at all. Actually the stand was quite ordinary and the motor is 
running in a corner quietly and boring and Mr. Yildiz explains that the motor 
runs with the 'magnetic energy'.
It expected important disclosure in April 2016
H Ucar

Re: [Vo]:Progress in humanoid robots

[Lennart Thornros]

Jed,
This is the classical discussion about; is the glass half full or half
empty.
It really should be the only comment as it only is an issues about mindset
(attitude).
It is obvious to us with a half full attitude that one can always find
things and ways to widen the horizon.
Be it Space, peace, robot design / implementation or for that  matter get
LENR a reality.
Trade unions and many other organizations are revolting to changes with the
half empty attitude and that in itself creates most of the problems that
comes from progress.
Today we have established a government body, which is slow and built for
the 'empty' attitude.
I believe that with a 'full' attitude we will just be able to reach levels
we find hard to even imagine today.
Think back for a moment. I can remember my grand parents (in the 1950-is)
and there thinking. They were born in the 1870-is.
Most of their fears where wrong, most of their believes about the future
were off. The reason was they could not see how they could fit in.
One example; "I was sail flying at the time. My grandfather's opinion,
about that, was filled with so many 'empty' responses that this email would
go on for days before I could convey his attitude.
He worked in modern industry and had a leader job plus did political work
as representative for the county parliament, so it was not that he was
without insight in the modern life as it was in the 50-is".

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Patrick Ellul  wrote:
>
>
>> One more that links to some other research:
>> Automation won’t destroy jobs, but it will change them:
>> https://blog.csiro.au/automation-wont-destroy-jobs-but-it-will-change-them-2/
>>
>>
>
> I don't buy that, for the reasons given in this video. (This video is one
> of the best summaries I have seen, in any medium.)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
>
>

Re: [Vo]:RE: High Harmoinc Generation in the glow-tube reactor

[Bob Cook]

Russ--


The Stubbs’s theory sounds a lot like the theory of Philippe Hatt presented at 
the ICCF-19 conference.   Hatt’s theory predicts the physical parameters of the 
proton, neutron quite accurately compared to anything else I know of .
Stubbs and Hatt should get together. 


Bob Cook






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Holy Muon Batman this is one staggering paper…

 



From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 10:08 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:RE: High Harmoinc Generation in the glow-tube reactor

 

If the plot of the radiation spectrum from a glow-tube reactor encased in lead- 
turns out to be typical of bremsstrahlung of high speed electrons, instead of 
gamma radiation, the following is presented as an interpretation.

“An Alternative to the Quark-Gluon Structure of the Proton” by William L. 
Stubbs – which can explain, or partially explain, Holmlid’s mysterious muon 
results.

http://vixra.org/abs/1511.0191

Stubbs presents a new model of the proton by reanalyzing the SLAC proton and 
deuteron F2 curves. He shows that the proton can be modeled accurately as nine 
muons. [IMO - since this is quantum mechanical, there could be two valid views 
both of which are correct, depending on circumstances]. 

Stubbs concludes that the deep inelastic scattering data supports a simpler 
model of the proton than the standard quark-gluon model, at least for 
explaining certain phenomena of proton disintegration. To counter one 
objection: it is well known that muons and antimuons are completely stable 
together below a threshold of acceleration, just like the quark and antiquark 
coexist in every nucleus of matter. Antimuons operate to provide the same 
functionality as gluons. Holmlid’s detection of high levels of muons some 
distance from his reactor may provide experimental evidence of such a situation.

BTW in muon decay, the electron is extremely fast and expected to have a steep 
peak at 52 MeV which would provide massive bremsstrahlung in a lead target, 
even (especially) in the situation of little or no excess heat seen in the 
reactor itself. 

_
… The important part of the Hagelstein slides is for assessing what could be 
happening in the glow-tube reactor, IF high energy radiation is seen in the 
range of 2.7 MeV... this is an apparent target “signature” to look for, at 
least when deuterium is the fuel (it would be a much different signature for 
protium). If this signature should show itself in glow tube testing, it would 
be a huge advancement in understanding… even if the counts are low (they are 
expected to be low).

[Vo]:what is fair, non-fair and unfair to LENR?

[Peter Gluck]

Fairness is not a simple concept, especially in real life and in essays..

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/03/mar-05-2016-what-is-fair-non-fair-and.html


Best wishes and - I hope good news soon- to you, friends!

Peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Jones Beene]

Bob,

 

In addition to gamma rays from those two daughters you mentioned, one must also 
include the branching intensity of radon itself. 

 

Often with high energy alpha decay, as in radon – the alpha is accompanied by a 
gamma ray which shares a fraction of the net energy released. 

 

The branching intensity is the fraction of alpha decay that is accompanied by 
the emission of a gamma. I do not have the exact number handy for radon, but if 
memory serves it is relevant when the counts are this low.

 

From: Bob Higgins 

 

I stand corrected.  It appears that 214Bi and 214Pb are gamma emitters in the 
radon daughter chain.  Most of the signatures are between 100keV and 1MeV with 
a few above.

 

Jones Beene  wrote:

Bob, 

All three radon isotopes have gamma decay channels in addition to alpha. The 
signatures are well known (around 6 MeV).

 

Radon detection is a cottage industry in silicon valley

 

 

From: Bob Higgins 

 

Jeff's setup may be more sensitive to radon than Alan's.  The NaI detector that 
Alan used is only sensitive to gamma, and not beta.  Radon decay chains are 
primarily alpha and beta emissions.  With the foil wrapped around Jeff's GM 
detector, he probably does not have much alpha sensitivity, but he will still 
have beta sensitivity - which could come from radon.  Beta and alpha 
sensitivity can be evaluated with check sources.  If Jeff is in the same area 
as Alan, he could borrow Alan's check sources, but I am not sure if Alan has a 
beta source.  A good 24 hour background collection would also be useful as a 
null test to look for radon caused variation.  

 

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

From: Jack Cole 

 

Ø   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of 7x 
background.  

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/

This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane 
explanation. 

Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,  and is 
probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in Alan’s area, 
and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully explainable by radon, 
if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average. 

… but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing the 
higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not one hour.

Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon, since he 
is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment is turned on, it 
would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate the signal. Plus a factor 
of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the average of all three radon isotopes 
can be in the one hour half-life range. 

Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not yet 
been ruled out.

One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area of 
lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).

 

 

Re: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Axil Axil]

Any 63 minute half lives pop up?

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

> I stand corrected.  It appears that 214Bi and 214Pb are gamma emitters in
> the radon daughter chain.  Most of the signatures are between 100keV and
> 1MeV with a few above.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>>
>>
>> All three radon isotopes have gamma decay channels in addition to alpha.
>> The signatures are well known (around 6 MeV).
>>
>>
>>
>> Radon detection is a cottage industry in silicon valley
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bob Higgins
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff's setup may be more sensitive to radon than Alan's.  The NaI
>> detector that Alan used is only sensitive to gamma, and not beta.  Radon
>> decay chains are primarily alpha and beta emissions.  With the foil wrapped
>> around Jeff's GM detector, he probably does not have much alpha
>> sensitivity, but he will still have beta sensitivity - which could come
>> from radon.  Beta and alpha sensitivity can be evaluated with check
>> sources.  If Jeff is in the same area as Alan, he could borrow Alan's check
>> sources, but I am not sure if Alan has a beta source.  A good 24 hour
>> background collection would also be useful as a null test to look for radon
>> caused variation.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>>
>> *From:* Jack Cole
>>
>>
>>
>> Ø   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation
>> of 7x background.
>>
>>
>> https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/
>>
>> This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane
>> explanation.
>>
>> Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,
>> and is probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in
>> Alan’s area, and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully
>> explainable by radon, if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average.
>>
>> … but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing
>> the higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not
>> one hour.
>>
>> Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon,
>> since he is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment
>> is turned on, it would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate
>> the signal. Plus a factor of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the
>> average of all three radon isotopes can be in the one hour half-life range.
>>
>> Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not
>> yet been ruled out.
>>
>> One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area
>> of lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Bob Higgins]

I stand corrected.  It appears that 214Bi and 214Pb are gamma emitters in
the radon daughter chain.  Most of the signatures are between 100keV and
1MeV with a few above.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Bob,
>
>
>
> All three radon isotopes have gamma decay channels in addition to alpha.
> The signatures are well known (around 6 MeV).
>
>
>
> Radon detection is a cottage industry in silicon valley
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bob Higgins
>
>
>
> Jeff's setup may be more sensitive to radon than Alan's.  The NaI detector
> that Alan used is only sensitive to gamma, and not beta.  Radon decay
> chains are primarily alpha and beta emissions.  With the foil wrapped
> around Jeff's GM detector, he probably does not have much alpha
> sensitivity, but he will still have beta sensitivity - which could come
> from radon.  Beta and alpha sensitivity can be evaluated with check
> sources.  If Jeff is in the same area as Alan, he could borrow Alan's check
> sources, but I am not sure if Alan has a beta source.  A good 24 hour
> background collection would also be useful as a null test to look for radon
> caused variation.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> *From:* Jack Cole
>
>
>
> Ø   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of
> 7x background.
>
>
> https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/
>
> This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane
> explanation.
>
> Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,
> and is probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in
> Alan’s area, and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully
> explainable by radon, if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average.
>
> … but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing
> the higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not one
> hour.
>
> Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon,
> since he is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment is
> turned on, it would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate the
> signal. Plus a factor of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the average
> of all three radon isotopes can be in the one hour half-life range.
>
> Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not
> yet been ruled out.
>
> One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area
> of lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Progress in humanoid robots

[Jed Rothwell]

Patrick Ellul  wrote:


> One more that links to some other research:
> Automation won’t destroy jobs, but it will change them:
> https://blog.csiro.au/automation-wont-destroy-jobs-but-it-will-change-them-2/
>
>

I don't buy that, for the reasons given in this video. (This video is one
of the best summaries I have seen, in any medium.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

[Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[H LV]

In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
of the vibrational states of the lattice. I think this process could
be inverted where the vibrational energy of the lattice is absorbed by
a nucleus.


Harry

RE: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Jones Beene]

Bob,

 

All three radon isotopes have gamma decay channels in addition to alpha. The 
signatures are well known (around 6 MeV).

 

Radon detection is a cottage industry in silicon valley

 

 

From: Bob Higgins 

 

Jeff's setup may be more sensitive to radon than Alan's.  The NaI detector that 
Alan used is only sensitive to gamma, and not beta.  Radon decay chains are 
primarily alpha and beta emissions.  With the foil wrapped around Jeff's GM 
detector, he probably does not have much alpha sensitivity, but he will still 
have beta sensitivity - which could come from radon.  Beta and alpha 
sensitivity can be evaluated with check sources.  If Jeff is in the same area 
as Alan, he could borrow Alan's check sources, but I am not sure if Alan has a 
beta source.  A good 24 hour background collection would also be useful as a 
null test to look for radon caused variation.  

 

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

From: Jack Cole 

 

Ø   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of 7x 
background.  

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/

This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane 
explanation. 

Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,  and is 
probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in Alan’s area, 
and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully explainable by radon, 
if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average. 

… but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing the 
higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not one hour.

Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon, since he 
is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment is turned on, it 
would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate the signal. Plus a factor 
of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the average of all three radon isotopes 
can be in the one hour half-life range. 

Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not yet 
been ruled out.

One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area of 
lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).

 

Re: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Bob Higgins]

Jeff's setup may be more sensitive to radon than Alan's.  The NaI detector
that Alan used is only sensitive to gamma, and not beta.  Radon decay
chains are primarily alpha and beta emissions.  With the foil wrapped
around Jeff's GM detector, he probably does not have much alpha
sensitivity, but he will still have beta sensitivity - which could come
from radon.  Beta and alpha sensitivity can be evaluated with check
sources.  If Jeff is in the same area as Alan, he could borrow Alan's check
sources, but I am not sure if Alan has a beta source.  A good 24 hour
background collection would also be useful as a null test to look for radon
caused variation.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> *From:* Jack Cole
>
>
>
> Ø   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of
> 7x background.
>
>
> *https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/*
> 
>
> This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane
> explanation.
>
> Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,
> and is probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in
> Alan’s area, and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully
> explainable by radon, if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average
> .
>
> … but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing
> the higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not one
> hour.
>
> Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon,
> since he is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment is
> turned on, it would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate the
> signal. Plus a factor of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the average
> of all three radon isotopes can be in the one hour half-life range.
>
> Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not
> yet been ruled out.
>
> One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area
> of lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).
>

Re: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Axil Axil]

Radiation seems to show up when the power is low... the pumping is below
the threshold for the LENR reaction to fully establish itself. There is a
sweet spot in the power applied that jeff might have hit where the LENR
reaction is just about there but not quite there, MFMP sees this in their
gamma burst recently during reaction initialization.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> *From:* Jack Cole
>
> Ø
>
> Ø   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of
> 7x background.
>
>
> *https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/*
> 
>
> This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane
> explanation.
>
> Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,
> and is probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in
> Alan’s area, and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully
> explainable by radon, if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average
> .
>
> … but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing
> the higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not one
> hour.
>
> Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon,
> since he is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment is
> turned on, it would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate the
> signal. Plus a factor of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the average
> of all three radon isotopes can be in the one hour half-life range.
>
> Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not
> yet been ruled out.
>
> One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area
> of lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).
>

RE: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Jones Beene]

From: Jack Cole 

*   
*   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of 7x 
background.  
https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/


This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane 
explanation. 

Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,  and is 
probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in Alan’s area, 
and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully explainable by radon, 
if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average. 

… but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing the 
higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not one hour.

Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon, since he 
is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment is turned on, it 
would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate the signal. Plus a factor 
of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the average of all three radon isotopes 
can be in the one hour half-life range. 

Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not yet 
been ruled out.

One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area of 
lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).

RE: [Vo]:RE: High Harmoinc Generation in the glow-tube reactor

[Jones Beene]

Back to Robin’s initial observation, it can be noted that Pions are composed of 
two quarks which are indeed antiparticles to each other. In the standard model, 
an up quark and an anti-down quark make up a π+, whereas a down quark and an 
anti-up quark make up the π−, and these are the antiparticles of one another.

 

Now, can we say that the proton always contains pions? If so then clearly quark 
antiparticles coexist in a nucleus. 

 

The pions are only evidenced in a disintegration – which the same as Stubbs 
muons/anti-muons – only evidenced in a disintegration. This is important, and 
both cases could be mirror images in a way.

 

In fact, both the Stubbs view and the standard model could be views which are 
subsets of some kind of duality – whether it is wave/particle duality or 
something similar.

 

Russ George wrote:

Of course one makes kaons and pions through the prodding of nuclei with 
infiltrating protons so we have a bit of a chicken and egg puzzle. Ordinarily 
one needs accelerated protons but of course in cold fusion there is clearly an 
alternative to brute force.

From: Axil Axil 

Inline image 1

 

Kaons and pions decay to muons.

 

Russ George wrote:

Holmlid sees kaons and pions in his experiments as progenitors of his muons!


-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com 

>To counter one objection: it is well known that muons and antimuons are 
>completely stable together below a threshold of acceleration, just like the 
>quark and antiquark coexist in every nucleus of matter.

According to the standard model, there are no antiquarks in ordinary matter. 
Just up and down quarks, which are not anti-particles of one another.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk



 

 

[Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Jack Cole]

Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of 7x
background.  He did several things to verify (moving the detector, turning
off the power to the cell, and so forth).  It seems pretty convincing.  I
am unable to think of any alternative explanations.

If it were me, I'd try 4 more things.  Repeat 5 more times (also put a lead
shield in front of the detector while it is running to see the effect).
Run again with Kanthal wire.  Then run one more time with fresh nickel wire
in normal atmosphere (or vacuum).  Then run that new nickel wire again
under H2.

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/

[Vo]:EM drive news

[Frank Znidarsic]

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/emdrive-news-rumors/?utm_source=o1_medium=cpc_campaign=highppv_term=848564

Re: [Vo]:RE: High Harmoinc Generation in the glow-tube reactor

[Axil Axil]

A monopole magnetic beam caused protons and neutrons to decay into kaons.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 1:42 AM, Russ George  wrote:

> Of course one makes kaons and pions through the prodding of nuclei with
> infiltrating protons so we have a bit of a chicken and egg puzzle.
> Ordinarily one needs accelerated protons but of course in cold fusion there
> is clearly an alternative to brute force.
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 4:44 PM
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:RE: High Harmoinc Generation in the glow-tube reactor
>
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
>
> Kaons and pions decay to muons.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Russ George  wrote:
>
> Holmlid sees kaons and pions in his experiments as progenitors of his
> muons!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 1:00 PM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: High Harmoinc Generation in the glow-tube reactor
>
> In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Fri, 4 Mar 2016 10:08:13 -0800:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >To counter one
> >objection: it is well known that muons and antimuons are completely
> >stable together below a threshold of acceleration, just like the quark
> >and antiquark coexist in every nucleus of matter.
>
> According to the standard model, there are no antiquarks in ordinary
> matter.
> Just up and down quarks, which are not anti-particles of one another.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>
>