[Vo]:more jobs are going away

[Axil Axil]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/technology/amazon-moves-to-cut-checkout-line-promoting-a-grab-and-go-experience.html

Amazon Moves to Cut Checkout Line, Promoting a Grab-and-Go Experience

The millions of jobs working the checkout lines are going to go away.

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/sales/cashiers.htm

Upto 3.5 million jobs are on the cutting block payung about 20K a year.
What will Trump do about this new automation threat?

[Vo]:Spin liquids

[Russ George]

An interesting new path opening up all about special quantum states found in 
Nature both in natural crystals and synthetics varieties. Quantum ‘spin 
liquids’ where there is a vast amount of entanglement going on… now of course 
such massive entanglement has always been what cold fusion required as Julian 
Schwinger commented on in 1989!  
http://phys.org/news/2016-12-spooky-sightings-crystal-extremely-rare.html 

Re: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

[Jed Rothwell]

a.ashfield  wrote:

I find it strange that you didn't know there were 2 MW of reactors in the
> plant.
>

I do not know such details at all. The only thing I know about is the
sample data. I immediately saw the problems in that data such as the
pressure of 0.0 bar. The data is obviously fake, and physically impossible.
The problems I saw were all described in Exhibit 5, along with some other
problems I did not know about. So, read that Exhibit, and you will know
everything I know. That is my only basis for saying the experiment did not
produce heat, and it was fraud. (If you disagree then I think you do not
understand machinery.)



> I thought that was common knowledge..  The first set of the older design
> were what you saw in the photo montage that Rossi provided.  (Nothing to do
> with Lugano - low temperature units)  The second set of four 250 kW units
> were right at the end.
>

None of that matters to me. I am sure the pressure was not 0.0 bar. I am
sure that flow meter was the wrong kind. I am sure these problems and the
others described in Exhibit 5 preclude any possibility of excess heat and
they prove it was fraud. The reactors themselves play no role in this
evaluation.



> It is pretty weak to say that they all didn't work without any evidence of
> that.
>

The evidence is all in the calorimetry! It makes no difference what
reactors were installed. The calorimetry shows they did not work. They can
be considered a black box. In fact, they *have to be* considered a black
box, or the test method is invalid.



>   That Rossi didn't attempt to use them is fairly strong evidence he was
> satisfied with the four 250 kW units, no matter what you have been told by
> IH.
>

His satisfaction is irrelevant. His data and the photos of his ceiling
proves that his claims are fraud.



>Do you really think he would build about 80 units for fun and not use
> them if needed?
>

Suppose the 80 units that were not installed actually worked. In that case,
if he had installed them, installed proper calorimetric instruments, and
showed IH how to make them, IH would have paid him $90 million. There would
be no lawsuit. Why would he not do that? Why would he launch an expensive
lawsuit if he had working reactors sitting there unused? That makes no
sense, and I do not believe it for one second. I am amazed that you believe
it. Why would Rossi not install working reactors when he would be paid $90
million to do it?!???



>   One of the design of these unused units was what passed the initial test.
>

None of the used units produced any heat, period. If the unused ones could
produce heat, WHY DIDN'T ROSSI INSTALL THEM? You need to answer that
question, not me.



>   IH was bleating about how he used a different design for the test and
> tried to make out that disqualified it, if you recall.
>

Nonsense. The only thing they said, and I said, was the the test failed to
show any excess heat, and many of the numbers were obviously fake. They
don't care about the design, as long as it works. I have spent a lot of
time talking to them about calorimetry. I have not talked at all about
their business or the lawsuit, and I did not ask anything about the
reactors themselves. As I said, with this calorimetry the reactor as a
whole is a single black box. Any design or configuration that produces
excess heat can measured the same as any other design. If Rossi had mixed
in five different reactor types that all worked, or three that worked and
two that did not, I would see no indication of that. Nothing in the
calorimetry or the data I saw would show that. Nothing in Exhibit 5 would
show it. It would only show X power going in and Y heat coming out of the
system as a whole.

It is possible to set up calorimetry separately for each reactor, but I did
not see any data from that kind of configuration.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

[a.ashfield]

Jed,
I find it strange that you didn't know there were 2 MW of reactors in 
the plant.  I thought that was common knowledge..  The first set of the 
older design were what you saw in the photo montage that Rossi 
provided.  (Nothing to do with Lugano - low temperature units)  The 
second set of four 250 kW units were right at the end. In Rossi's photo 
he is listening to one with a stethoscope.
It is pretty weak to say that they all didn't work without any evidence 
of that.  That Rossi didn't attempt to use them is fairly strong 
evidence he was satisfied with the four 250 kW units, no matter what you 
have been told by IH.   Do you really think he would build about 80 
units for fun and not use them if needed?  One of the design of these 
unused units was what passed the initial test.  IH was bleating about 
how he used a different design for the test and tried to make out that 
disqualified it, if you recall.




On 12/5/2016 7:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

a.ashfield mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Jed,
Rossi had a double set of reactors in the 1 MW experiment.  The
standby reactors were of the old design that you think may have
worked.


No, I meant the little cylindrical one used in the first Levi tests:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LeviGindication.pdf

I have no idea why the other cylindrical ones at Lugano did not seem 
to work.


I did not know there was a double set of reactors in the 1 MW 
experiment. That's news to me. I have no idea whether the unused ones 
might have worked.


My only technical knowledge of this test is what is in Exhibit 5 and 
in the photos. As I said, I know that Exhibit is based on Rossi's own 
data. Everything I could tell from the data was in Exhibit 5, plus 
some stuff I could not tell. Exhibit 5 was also partly confirmed by 
Rossi's comments to Lewan.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

[Jed Rothwell]

a.ashfield  wrote:


> Jed,
> Rossi had a double set of reactors in the 1 MW experiment.  The standby
> reactors were of the old design that you think may have worked.
>

No, I meant the little cylindrical one used in the first Levi tests:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LeviGindication.pdf

I have no idea why the other cylindrical ones at Lugano did not seem to
work.

I did not know there was a double set of reactors in the 1 MW experiment.
That's news to me. I have no idea whether the unused ones might have worked.

My only technical knowledge of this test is what is in Exhibit 5 and in the
photos. As I said, I know that Exhibit is based on Rossi's own data.
Everything I could tell from the data was in Exhibit 5, plus some stuff I
could not tell. Exhibit 5 was also partly confirmed by Rossi's comments to
Lewan.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

[a.ashfield]

Jed,
Rossi had a double set of reactors in the 1 MW experiment.  The standby 
reactors were of the old design that you think may have worked.
If the four 250 kW units didn't work why did Rossi not use the backups?  
As far as is known they were never activated.



On 12/5/2016 5:28 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

Frank Znidarsic mailto:fznidar...@aol.com>> wrote:

Jed how can Parkhomov claim successes by following Rossi when
Rossi had none?


I suppose Parkhomov is mistaken, or misinformed about Rossi's work.

There are several other possibilities --

Takahashi and others have tested finely divided nickel and reported it 
produces excess heat. Perhaps they are right, and Rossi is wrong. In 
other words, Parkhomov may have successfully replicated Takahashi, 
only he does not realize this.


It is possible that Rossi's earlier tests actually worked. It is 
difficult to judge, but I cannot rule that out. Again, if Takahashi 
succeeded, it is not out of the question that Rossi did as well. I am 
sure that Rossi's 1-year test was a failure and a fraud, but his 
earlier work may have been okay.


Piantelli has claimed that bulk nickel produces heat. He has not been 
replicated as far as I know, but if he is right, it would not be 
surprising if finely divided nickel works too. It might work better 
than bulk material.


There is pretty good evidence that some of the Thermacore nickel 
experiments worked. Again, Pakhomov may be replicating Thermacore 
without realizing it. I do not think anyone knows enough about Rossi 
or Parkhomov to judge how closely their experiments resemble one another.


I think we cannot rule out the possibility that Parkhomov's results 
are invalid, and he has no heat. His previous work was pretty lousy.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

[Jed Rothwell]

Frank Znidarsic  wrote:

Jed how can Parkhomov claim successes by following Rossi when Rossi had
> none?


I suppose Parkhomov is mistaken, or misinformed about Rossi's work.

There are several other possibilities --

Takahashi and others have tested finely divided nickel and reported it
produces excess heat. Perhaps they are right, and Rossi is wrong. In other
words, Parkhomov may have successfully replicated Takahashi, only he does
not realize this.

It is possible that Rossi's earlier tests actually worked. It is difficult
to judge, but I cannot rule that out. Again, if Takahashi succeeded, it is
not out of the question that Rossi did as well. I am sure that Rossi's
1-year test was a failure and a fraud, but his earlier work may have been
okay.

Piantelli has claimed that bulk nickel produces heat. He has not been
replicated as far as I know, but if he is right, it would not be surprising
if finely divided nickel works too. It might work better than bulk material.

There is pretty good evidence that some of the Thermacore nickel
experiments worked. Again, Pakhomov may be replicating Thermacore without
realizing it. I do not think anyone knows enough about Rossi or Parkhomov
to judge how closely their experiments resemble one another.

I think we cannot rule out the possibility that Parkhomov's results are
invalid, and he has no heat. His previous work was pretty lousy.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

[Frank Znidarsic]

Jed how can Parkhomov claim successes by following Rossi when Rossi had none?


Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

[Jed Rothwell]

Russ George  wrote:


> Within this social media miasma which this Vortex is the condemnation of
> Rossi and name calling by nere-do-wells and armchair dilatants, aka trolls,
> adds nothing positive to the development of science.
>

See the lawsuit Exhibit 5:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6qvuFUMAp9HMEQyeHZlX256U1E/view

I have seen a sample of Rossi's data. This Exhibit describes it accurately.
The problems described in this exhibit preclude any possibility that
Rossi's device works. Anyone who does not understand that is a technical
illiterate. Russ George describes himself as an experimentalist, and he
thinks others are dilettantes. If he cannot understand the problems in
Exhibit 5, he is no experimentalist.

Perhaps he thinks the claims in Exhibit 5 are lies. In that case, he should
explain how a warehouse with no ventilation equipment might have a 1 MW
heater in it without killing the observers.

- Jed

[Vo]:are the stagnators of LENR, unstoppable?

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/12/dec-05-2016-can-we-stop-stagnators.html

peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

[Russ George]

Well I guess I stand more with Bob that with Brian on this. As a working
experimentalist in the field (like Brian, god bless him) I have plenty of
things I wish (might demand) that Rossi (and a long list of other
experimentalists) might do to make my life more interesting and exciting and
save me a lot of hard work. but Rossi gets to define Rossi and I am capable
of judging his offerings (or not) on my own. So far he's given me lots of
valued information so he gets my qualified blessing.

 

Within this social media miasma which this Vortex is the condemnation of
Rossi and name calling by nere-do-wells and armchair dilatants, aka trolls,
adds nothing positive to the development of science. Do feisty opinionated
film or fashion critics acting as groupies deliver anything to the
betterment of humankind, I am certain they do not. Do they entertain, yes,
in some perverse way which I suspect I might be asked by St. Peter as to why
I paid attention to such minions and wasted my valuable time therein, and in
doing so might have earned a brush stroke or two of barbecue sauce in limbo.
I trust the real slathering of BBQ sauce is awaiting the worst of those who
persistently direct their slander and hatred in their temper tantrums
against those who won't 'tell all' as they demand. 

 

I am absolutely certain that room on Nature Editor Maddox's spit he
presently shares in hell with more than a few powerful influential anti-cold
fusion jerks (Huizinga, . ) has plenty of room for some minion condiments.

 

From: Brian Ahern [mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 10:00 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

 

See below

 

I also consider that Rossi has been able to improve upon the COP's of the
system by finding compatible combinations of Li, H, Ni nano particle
characteristics, and, primarily control circuit resonance to allow   minimal
energy input and long term self sustaining operations. 

 

"Those non-believers of Rossi's capabilities are akin to  those folks that
believe the Earth is only 6000 years old who live with dogmas and/or a
conflict of interest.  Their idea of fraud is not unlike the fraud they seem
to say God committed on mankind when he also left evidence of dinosaurs  on
the earth."

 

This seems exactly opposite to me!  Equating Rossi doubters with dogged
dogma adherence baffles me. I am so far from being a Rossi supporter that I
must be a trogladite. Wow  I thought they were true believers, but I guess
it is me.

 

 

The non- believers will continue to insist  the E- Cat and Quark-X advanced
performances are merely illusions and the results of Rossi's magical tricks
or fraudulent actions.  

 

Bob Cook

 

They will continue to claim the E- 

 

 


Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 3:20 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com  
Subject: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

 

Translated by Bob Higgins. Thanks, Bob!

 

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Attachment/1071-ParkhomovPresenta
tion-20161124-English-pdf/

 

 

Re: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

[Brian Ahern]

See below


I also consider that Rossi has been able to improve upon the COP's of the 
system by finding compatible combinations of Li, H, Ni nano particle 
characteristics, and, primarily control circuit resonance to allow   minimal 
energy input and long term self sustaining operations.



"Those non-believers of Rossi's capabilities are akin to  those folks that 
believe the Earth is only 6000 years old who live with dogmas and/or a conflict 
of interest.  Their idea of fraud is not unlike the fraud they seem to say God 
committed on mankind when he also left evidence of dinosaurs  on the earth."


This seems exactly opposite to me!  Equating Rossi doubters with dogged dogma 
adherence baffles me. I am so far from being a Rossi supporter that I must be a 
trogladite. Wow  I thought they were true believers, but I guess it is me.




The non- believers will continue to insist  the E- Cat and Quark-X advanced 
performances are merely illusions and the results of Rossi's magical tricks or 
fraudulent actions.



Bob Cook



They will continue to claim the E-





Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 3:20 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English



Translated by Bob Higgins. Thanks, Bob!



https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Attachment/1071-ParkhomovPresentation-20161124-English-pdf/

RE: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

[bobcook39923]

Higgins—

I second Jed’s thanks for the AP paper translation.  Its seems to nail down the 
results of 22 years (at least) of the Ni-H LENR system R&D.  S. Forcardi and 
other Italians should get the credit it seems to me. 
 
I also consider that Rossi has been able to improve upon the COP’s of the 
system by finding compatible combinations of Li, H, Ni nano particle 
characteristics, and, primarily control circuit resonance to allow   minimal 
energy input and long term self sustaining operations. 

Those non-believers of Rossi’s capabilities are akin to  those folks that 
believe the Earth is only 6000 years old who live with dogmas and/or a conflict 
of interest.  Their idea of fraud is not unlike the fraud they seem to say God 
committed on mankind when he also left evidence of dinosaurs  on the earth.

The non- believers will continue to insist  the E- Cat and Quark-X advanced 
performances are merely illusions and the results of Rossi’s magical tricks or 
fraudulent actions.  

Bob Cook

They will continue to claim the E- 



Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 3:20 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

Translated by Bob Higgins. Thanks, Bob!

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Attachment/1071-ParkhomovPresentation-20161124-English-pdf/