Re: [Vo]:Laissez les bon temps rouler -

[mixent]

In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:48:28 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>UMass Tries Innovative Method To Clean N95 Masks: UV Light
>March 27, 2020
>https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/03/27/umass-memorial-disinfects-masks-ultraviolet-light

Just wash them in bleach.
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Laissez les bon temps rouler -

[Jones Beene]

Another candidate older drug, actually from Japan. 

At some point, a synergistic "cocktail" of antivirals will emerge (assuming all 
the various groups are communicating)... 

This is somewhat as happened with AIDS.



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RE: [Vo]:Laissez les bon temps rouler -

[John Newman]

To which I imagine we can add the beneficial effects of exposure to
sunlight, especially with the atmosphere clearer of fine particulate matter.

John Newman

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com [mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: 28 March 2020 15:30
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Laissez les bon temps rouler -

 

.Mr. Dickenson-

 

I find nothing in your comments to disagree with, even the UV lights in a
HVAC system.  Wednesday I read an item on using UV lights to deactivate
viruses on N-95 masks.  I will send a link.

 

I have long though that a low dose is necessary to allow a weak immune
system to work to generate anti-bodies before the virus get too many cells
infected and is reproducing at a rapid rate.  

 

I  will add to this email with some research and current reporting links
that address the issues you bring up tomorrow.   

 

Thanks for your input to this complex world problem.

 

Bob Cook

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail   for Windows
10

 

  _  

From: Jim Dickenson mailto:jrdicken...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 4:55:58 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com   mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> >
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Laissez les bon temps rouler - 

 

Hi, 

 

Thank you for your thoughts.  I happened to catch your post when I was
looking for Promed emails in my inbox.

 

A discussion that I saw talked about how the size of the virus load (the
inoculum) may affect disease progression.  They said that getting a few
virions from touching a handrail may lead to a longer and milder buildup to
symptoms (if any) than receiving a huge load of virions (for example , being
coughed at directly in the face), which may lead to a very rapid onset of
worse symptoms.  (In the latter case, the immune system has to fight many
battles at once while trying to learn about the enemy; whereas in the first
case, it can take some time to learn and mount a response.)  So the severity
of some of these outbreaks may be a direct function of how efficiently the
infected (both symptomatic and asymptomatic) infected the never infected.

 

An interesting article about a town in Italy that checked everyone is at

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-mass-testing-experiment-italian-town-co
vid-19-outbreak-1493183 

 

They actually found people who were infected but were asymptomatic.  Once
all the infected were quarantined, the infection basically died out.  

 

IMHO, The big problem in this epidemic is that there are a percentage of
asymptomatic (or minimally symptomatic) infected people, who go around
(inadvertently) infecting others.  It's a perfect design from the virus'
point of view, not so much from ours.  SO it looks like test, test, test and
isolate all who test positive - symptomatic or not.

 

And as we do over here in Asia, everyone wear a mask - whether feeling well
or not.

 

One other thing no one seems to talk about is using UVC lights (LED,
florescent, deuterium) to disinfect things.  Also there exist florescent UVC
lights that are designed to fit into HVAC vents to kill bacteria, mites, and
viruses.  

 

A comment (on a video) by an electrician in a large building was that when
the UVC lights in the HVAC ducts were working, the absenteeism reduced by
30%, and likewise increased by a similar amount when they were out of order
(evidently the management took its time repairing things when they broke or
so I infer).  I know this is anecdotal data, but it begs consideration.  And
it's a cheap solution for all central HVAC systems (even those on cruise
ships).

 

Oh well, my 2 cents.

 

Stay well everyone!

 

Jim Dickenson

Kanagawa, Japan

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 12:33 AM Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> > wrote:


Mardi Gras this year, as we now realize was a 'perfect storm' for virus
spread in New Orleans... It seemed at first like a statistical outlier as
there was a fairly long delay and cause-and-effect are always a politically
touchy subject.


This worldwide festival at the start of Lent is also celebrated in Spain and
Italy and elsewhere, under different names. Italy, Spain and New Orleans are
three areas of the World where the virus spread extremely rapidly.

 

Coincidence, omen or what? It is hard to think that all three instances are
not connected to a common statistical model. OTOH if there is a direct
connection to the dynamics of viral spread with Carnival, then why was Rio,
the biggest party of all - left out from the devastation?

 

... or was it?

 

Sadly accurate numbers may be hidden away in what is normally a higher than
average death rate - and the worst viral devastation of all has yet to be
announced.

Re: [Vo]:Laissez les bon temps rouler -

[H LV]

UMass Tries Innovative Method To Clean N95 Masks: UV Light
March 27, 2020
https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/03/27/umass-memorial-disinfects-masks-ultraviolet-light


Harry


On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:40 AM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> Swiss hospital did approve UV light sterilization for used masks already
> 2 weeks ago...
>
> Why do these guys no communicate??
>
> J.W.
>
>
>
>
> Am 28.03.20 um 16:30 schrieb bobcook39...@hotmail.com:
>
> .Mr. Dickenson—
>
>
>
> I find nothing in your comments to disagree with, even the UV lights in a
> HVAC system.  Wednesday I read an item on using UV lights to deactivate
> viruses on N-95 masks.  I will send a link.
>
>
>
> I have long though that a low dose is necessary to allow a weak immune
> system to work to generate anti-bodies before the virus get too many cells
> infected and is reproducing at a rapid rate.
>
>
>
> I  will add to this email with some research and current reporting links
> that address the issues you bring up tomorrow.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your input to this complex world problem.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
> --
> *From:* Jim Dickenson  
> *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 4:55:58 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Laissez les bon temps rouler -
>
> Hi,
>
> Thank you for your thoughts.  I happened to catch your post when I was
> looking for Promed emails in my inbox.
>
> A discussion that I saw talked about how the size of the virus load (the
> inoculum) may affect disease progression.  They said that getting a few
> virions from touching a handrail may lead to a longer and milder buildup to
> symptoms (if any) than receiving a huge load of virions (for example ,
> being coughed at directly in the face), which may lead to a very rapid
> onset of worse symptoms.  (In the latter case, the immune system has to
> fight many battles at once while trying to learn about the enemy; whereas
> in the first case, it can take some time to learn and mount a response.)
> So the severity of some of these outbreaks may be a direct function of how
> efficiently the infected (both symptomatic and asymptomatic) infected the
> never infected.
>
> An interesting article about a town in Italy that checked everyone is at
>
> https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-mass-testing-experiment-italian-town-covid-19-outbreak-1493183
>
>
> They actually found people who were infected but were asymptomatic.  Once
> all the infected were quarantined, the infection basically died out.
>
> IMHO, The big problem in this epidemic is that there are a percentage of
> asymptomatic (or minimally symptomatic) infected people, who go around
> (inadvertently) infecting others.  It's a perfect design from the virus'
> point of view, not so much from ours.  SO it looks like test, test, test
> and isolate all who test positive - symptomatic or not.
>
> And as we do over here in Asia, everyone wear a mask - whether feeling
> well or not.
>
> One other thing no one seems to talk about is using UVC lights (LED,
> florescent, deuterium) to disinfect things.  Also there exist florescent
> UVC lights that are designed to fit into HVAC vents to kill bacteria,
> mites, and viruses.
>
> A comment (on a video) by an electrician in a large building was that when
> the UVC lights in the HVAC ducts were working, the absenteeism reduced by
> 30%, and likewise increased by a similar amount when they were out of order
> (evidently the management took its time repairing things when they broke or
> so I infer).  I know this is anecdotal data, but it begs consideration.
> And it's a cheap solution for all central HVAC systems (even those on
> cruise ships).
>
> Oh well, my 2 cents.
>
> Stay well everyone!
>
> Jim Dickenson
> Kanagawa, Japan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 12:33 AM Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> Mardi Gras this year, as we now realize was a 'perfect storm' for virus
> spread in New Orleans... It seemed at first like a statistical outlier as
> there was a fairly long delay and cause-and-effect are always a politically
> touchy subject.
> This worldwide festival at the start of Lent is also celebrated in Spain
> and Italy and elsewhere, under different names. Italy, Spain and New
> Orleans are three areas of the World where the virus spread extremely
> rapidly.
>
> Coincidence, omen or what? It is hard to think that all three instances
> are not connected to a common statistical model. OTOH if there is a
> direct connection to the dynamics of viral spread with Carnival, then why
> was Rio, the biggest party of all - left out from the devastation?
>
> ... or was it?
>
> Sadly accurate numbers may be hidden away in what is normally a higher
> than average death rate - and the worst viral devastation of all has yet to
> be announced.
>
>
> --
> Jürg Wyttenbach
> Bifangstr.22
> 8910 Affoltern a.A.
> 044 760 14 18
> 079 246 36 06
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Laissez les bon temps rouler -

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Swiss hospital did approve UV light sterilization for used masks already 
2 weeks ago...


Why do these guys no communicate??

J.W.




Am 28.03.20 um 16:30 schrieb bobcook39...@hotmail.com:


.Mr. Dickenson—

I find nothing in your comments to disagree with, even the UV lights 
in a HVAC system.  Wednesday I read an item on using UV lights to 
deactivate viruses on N-95 masks.  I will send a link.


I have long though that a low dose is necessary to allow a weak immune 
system to work to generate anti-bodies before the virus get too many 
cells infected and is reproducing at a rapid rate.


I  will add to this email with some research and current reporting 
links that address the issues you bring up tomorrow.


Thanks for your input to this complex world problem.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail  for 
Windows 10



*From:* Jim Dickenson 
*Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 4:55:58 PM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com 
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Laissez les bon temps rouler -
Hi,

Thank you for your thoughts.  I happened to catch your post when I was 
looking for Promed emails in my inbox.


A discussion that I saw talked about how the size of the virus load 
(the inoculum) may affect disease progression.  They said that getting 
a few virions from touching a handrail may lead to a longer and milder 
buildup to symptoms (if any) than receiving a huge load of virions 
(for example , being coughed at directly in the face), which may lead 
to a very rapid onset of worse symptoms.  (In the latter case, the 
immune system has to fight many battles at once while trying to learn 
about the enemy; whereas in the first case, it can take some time to 
learn and mount a response.)  So the severity of some of these 
outbreaks may be a direct function of how efficiently the infected 
(both symptomatic and asymptomatic) infected the never infected.


An interesting article about a town in Italy that checked everyone is at
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-mass-testing-experiment-italian-town-covid-19-outbreak-1493183 



They actually found people who were infected but were asymptomatic.  
Once all the infected were quarantined, the infection basically died out.


IMHO, The big problem in this epidemic is that there are a percentage 
of asymptomatic (or minimally symptomatic) infected people, who go 
around (inadvertently) infecting others.  It's a perfect design from 
the virus' point of view, not so much from ours.  SO it looks like 
test, test, test and isolate all who test positive - symptomatic or not.


And as we do over here in Asia, everyone wear a mask - whether feeling 
well or not.


One other thing no one seems to talk about is using UVC lights (LED, 
florescent, deuterium) to disinfect things. Also there exist 
florescent UVC lights that are designed to fit into HVAC vents to kill 
bacteria, mites, and viruses.


A comment (on a video) by an electrician in a large building was that 
when the UVC lights in the HVAC ducts were working, the absenteeism 
reduced by 30%, and likewise increased by a similar amount when they 
were out of order (evidently the management took its time repairing 
things when they broke or so I infer).  I know this is anecdotal data, 
but it begs consideration.  And it's a cheap solution for all central 
HVAC systems (even those on cruise ships).


Oh well, my 2 cents.

Stay well everyone!

Jim Dickenson
Kanagawa, Japan






On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 12:33 AM Jones Beene > wrote:



  Mardi Gras this year, as we now realize was a 'perfect storm'
  for virus spread in New Orleans... It seemed at first like a
  statistical outlier as there was a fairly long delay and
  cause-and-effect are always a politically touchy subject.

This worldwide festival at the start of Lent is also celebrated in
Spain and Italy and elsewhere, under different names.Italy, Spain
and New Orleans are three areas of the World where the virus
spread extremely rapidly.

Coincidence, omen or what? It is hard to think that all three
instances are not connected to a common statistical model. OTOH if
there is a direct connection to the dynamics of viral spread with
Carnival, then why was Rio, the biggest party of all - left out
from the devastation?

... or was it?

Sadly accurate numbers may be hidden away in what is normally a
higher than average death rate - and the worst viral devastation
of all has yet to be announced.



--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr.22
8910 Affoltern a.A.
044 760 14 18
079 246 36 06

RE: [Vo]:Laissez les bon temps rouler -

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

.Mr. Dickenson—

I find nothing in your comments to disagree with, even the UV lights in a HVAC 
system.  Wednesday I read an item on using UV lights to deactivate viruses on 
N-95 masks.  I will send a link.

I have long though that a low dose is necessary to allow a weak immune system 
to work to generate anti-bodies before the virus get too many cells infected 
and is reproducing at a rapid rate.

I  will add to this email with some research and current reporting links that 
address the issues you bring up tomorrow.

Thanks for your input to this complex world problem.

Bob Cook





Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From: Jim Dickenson 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 4:55:58 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Laissez les bon temps rouler -

Hi,

Thank you for your thoughts.  I happened to catch your post when I was looking 
for Promed emails in my inbox.

A discussion that I saw talked about how the size of the virus load (the 
inoculum) may affect disease progression.  They said that getting a few virions 
from touching a handrail may lead to a longer and milder buildup to symptoms 
(if any) than receiving a huge load of virions (for example , being coughed at 
directly in the face), which may lead to a very rapid onset of worse symptoms.  
(In the latter case, the immune system has to fight many battles at once while 
trying to learn about the enemy; whereas in the first case, it can take some 
time to learn and mount a response.)  So the severity of some of these 
outbreaks may be a direct function of how efficiently the infected (both 
symptomatic and asymptomatic) infected the never infected.

An interesting article about a town in Italy that checked everyone is at
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-mass-testing-experiment-italian-town-covid-19-outbreak-1493183

They actually found people who were infected but were asymptomatic.  Once all 
the infected were quarantined, the infection basically died out.

IMHO, The big problem in this epidemic is that there are a percentage of 
asymptomatic (or minimally symptomatic) infected people, who go around 
(inadvertently) infecting others.  It's a perfect design from the virus' point 
of view, not so much from ours.  SO it looks like test, test, test and isolate 
all who test positive - symptomatic or not.

And as we do over here in Asia, everyone wear a mask - whether feeling well or 
not.

One other thing no one seems to talk about is using UVC lights (LED, 
florescent, deuterium) to disinfect things.  Also there exist florescent UVC 
lights that are designed to fit into HVAC vents to kill bacteria, mites, and 
viruses.

A comment (on a video) by an electrician in a large building was that when the 
UVC lights in the HVAC ducts were working, the absenteeism reduced by 30%, and 
likewise increased by a similar amount when they were out of order (evidently 
the management took its time repairing things when they broke or so I infer).  
I know this is anecdotal data, but it begs consideration.  And it's a cheap 
solution for all central HVAC systems (even those on cruise ships).

Oh well, my 2 cents.

Stay well everyone!

Jim Dickenson
Kanagawa, Japan






On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 12:33 AM Jones Beene 
mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:
Mardi Gras this year, as we now realize was a 'perfect storm' for virus spread 
in New Orleans... It seemed at first like a statistical outlier as there was a 
fairly long delay and cause-and-effect are always a politically touchy subject.
This worldwide festival at the start of Lent is also celebrated in Spain and 
Italy and elsewhere, under different names. Italy, Spain and New Orleans are 
three areas of the World where the virus spread extremely rapidly.

Coincidence, omen or what? It is hard to think that all three instances are not 
connected to a common statistical model. OTOH if there is a direct connection 
to the dynamics of viral spread with Carnival, then why was Rio, the biggest 
party of all - left out from the devastation?

... or was it?

Sadly accurate numbers may be hidden away in what is normally a higher than 
average death rate - and the worst viral devastation of all has yet to be 
announced.

Re: [Vo]:Laissez les bon temps rouler -

[Jones Beene]

 This subclinical scenario presents the uncomfortable strategy of allowing for 
voluntary (pre)infection of some kind.
... somewhat reminiscent of an early approach to fighting polio.



 Jim Dickenson wrote:  
A discussion that I saw talked about how the size of the virus load (the 
inoculum) may affect disease progression... a few virions from touching a 
handrail may lead to a longer and milder buildup to symptoms (if any) than 
receiving a huge load of virions...the severity of some of these outbreaks may 
be a direct function of how efficiently the infected (both symptomatic and 
asymptomatic) infected the never infected.