[Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jurg—

FYI.  Robin made noter of the following:

https://www.nndc.bnl.gov/nudat2/RE:
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Bob
From: Jürg Wyttenbach
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:26 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

Am 17.06.20 um 20:50 schrieb Nicholas Palmer:
> I subsequently found out that the important or only ingredient was
> zirconium. I had asked Chris at the time if aluminium powder might be
> part of the 'sauce' and he looked angry. I note that powdered
> zirconium can be used in old style flash bulbs and pyrotechnics. Do
> you know if anything came of it?

Zr is a violent partner in LENR reactions only working at very elevated
temperature. Brown gas can trigger strong coupled LENR reactions and Zr
may divert some energy out of the resonant "cake" due to its unique
gamma resonance structure.


J.W.

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Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Jones Beene]

 ITER is indeed a sad joke and a dirty stain on the physics establishment.
Wouldn't it be ironic if that project was magically savaged and made 
commercially useful - by the simple expedient of adding on a cheap muon source 
... which of course is where the Holmlid licensees are envissioning an 
opportunity? Muon catalyzed fusion could push that project from slightly above 
breakeven to massively energetic.

This scenario is not a fantasy dream. 

Matter of fact, it would be a surprise to me if something like this outcome 
does not happen in maybe a year or so. 


Michael Foster wrote:  
 I believe we are engaged in a nostalgic postmortem. No?  CF/LENR has been 
systematically beaten to death by members of the scientific establishment 
afraid of losing their grants, especially the ITER nuts with the huge budgets. 





  

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Am 17.06.20 um 20:50 schrieb Nicholas Palmer:
I subsequently found out that the important or only ingredient was 
zirconium. I had asked Chris at the time if aluminium powder might be 
part of the 'sauce' and he looked angry. I note that powdered 
zirconium can be used in old style flash bulbs and pyrotechnics. Do 
you know if anything came of it?


Zr is a violent partner in LENR reactions only working at very elevated 
temperature. Brown gas can trigger strong coupled LENR reactions and Zr 
may divert some energy out of the resonant "cake" due to its unique 
gamma resonance structure.



J.W.

--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr.22
8910 Affoltern a.A.
044 760 14 18
079 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Michael Foster]

I believe we are engaged in a nostalgic postmortem. No?  CF/LENR has been 
systematically beaten to death by members of the scientific establishment 
afraid of losing their grants, especially the ITER nuts with the huge budgets. 

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Terry Blanton]

Yes, the Cincinnati group.  Thanks.  I couldn't recall their name.  Your
memory is better than mine, old Beene.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:16 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> I have a vague memory of it but not the details. There was a lot of
> disinformation about the exploits of the Cincinnati Group.
>
> Last I heard Keith is still at it and has a new project but that list
> folded.
>
>
>
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
> Wow.  Okay, firing up the wayback machine...
>
> I vaguely recall that Keith Nagel was doing some research along those
> lines.  Maybe Jones remembers.  I think Beene participated in Nagel's
> NewCandle list where they did some research along those lines.
>
>  Nicholas Palmer wrote:
>
> Hi Terry,
>
> I think it was Chris T or Jed R who pointed me towards Vortex way back
> when. While we're reminiscing, I wonder if you might be able to clear up
> something? I met Chris at his house not that long before he died and he
> showed me something he was working on, which was the ' tile burn'
> experiment from the 'Cincinnati group' He showed me a kitchen tile with a
> 1cm diameter hole burned right through it and said it was amazing to watch
> it 'light up' when only 30 watts or so was used with a secret sauce. I
> subsequently found out that the important or only ingredient was zirconium.
> I had asked Chris at the time if aluminium powder might be part of the
> 'sauce' and he looked angry. I note that powdered zirconium can be used in
> old style flash bulbs and pyrotechnics. Do you know if anything came of it?
>
> Nick Palmer
>
>

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Jones Beene]

 I have a vague memory of it but not the details. There was a lot of 
disinformation about the exploits of the Cincinnati Group. 

Last I heard Keith is still at it and has a new project but that list folded.



Terry Blanton wrote:  
 Wow.  Okay, firing up the wayback machine...
I vaguely recall that Keith Nagel was doing some research along those lines.  
Maybe Jones remembers.  I think Beene participated in Nagel's NewCandle list 
where they did some research along those lines.
 Nicholas Palmer wrote:

Hi Terry,

I think it was Chris T or Jed R who pointed me towards Vortex way back when. 
While we're reminiscing, I wonder if you might be able to clear up something? I 
met Chris at his house not that long before he died and he showed me something 
he was working on, which was the ' tile burn' experiment from the 'Cincinnati 
group' He showed me a kitchen tile with a 1cm diameter hole burned right 
through it and said it was amazing to watch it 'light up' when only 30 watts or 
so was used with a secret sauce. I subsequently found out that the important or 
only ingredient was zirconium. I had asked Chris at the time if aluminium 
powder might be part of the 'sauce' and he looked angry. I note that powdered 
zirconium can be used in old style flash bulbs and pyrotechnics. Do you know if 
anything came of it?

Nick Palmer
  

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Terry Blanton]

Wow.  Okay, firing up the wayback machine...

I vaguely recall that Keith Nagel was doing some research along those
lines.  Maybe Jones remembers.  I think Beene participated in Nagel's
NewCandle list where they did some research along those lines.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:50 PM Nicholas Palmer <
greendirectionconsult...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi Terry,
>
> I think it was Chris T or Jed R who pointed me towards Vortex way back
> when. While we're reminiscing, I wonder if you might be able to clear up
> something? I met Chris at his house not that long before he died and he
> showed me something he was working on, which was the ' tile burn'
> experiment from the 'Cincinnati group' He showed me a kitchen tile with a
> 1cm diameter hole burned right through it and said it was amazing to watch
> it 'light up' when only 30 watts or so was used with a secret sauce. I
> subsequently found out that the important or only ingredient was zirconium.
> I had asked Chris at the time if aluminium powder might be part of the
> 'sauce' and he looked angry. I note that powdered zirconium can be used in
> old style flash bulbs and pyrotechnics. Do you know if anything came of it?
>
> Nick Palmer
>
> On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 05:08, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:51 PM Terry Blanton 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:46 PM Robin 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So if an insult was intended, none taken. :)

>>>
>>> No, Donk was my favorite character in "Crocodile Dundee".  Reminded me
>>> of my uncle.
>>>
>>
>> I joined this list over 2 decades ago at the encouragement of Chris
>> Tinsley, who I met on the MUFON forum of CompuServe where I was a moderator
>> and investigator for the Mutual UFO Network.  He encouraged me to join;
>> whereby, I could ask questions of Hal Puthoff directly since he
>> participated on Vortex at the time.  Chris also introduced me to Eugene
>> Mallove, another UFO fan; although, a bit more reserved than Chris.
>>
>> Dr. Puthoff was very approachable and even open to answering questions
>> about his involvement in Remote Viewing research among other things.
>> Little did I know (not a reference to Scott :) that Chris got me here
>> because I was skeptical of Cold Fusion and I learned the truth on the forum.
>>
>> Back then, the forum was fun with literally hundred of posts per week and
>> a lot of jovial posts along with the science.
>>
>> So, no harm intended Robin.  It's just that I've wasted a lot of time on
>> Randell Mills while the power industry has wasted a lot of money.  Pity
>> that kind of money did not go to Fleischmann and Pons back in the day.
>> But, hey, it was not meant to be.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Nicholas Palmer]

Hi Terry,

I think it was Chris T or Jed R who pointed me towards Vortex way back
when. While we're reminiscing, I wonder if you might be able to clear up
something? I met Chris at his house not that long before he died and he
showed me something he was working on, which was the ' tile burn'
experiment from the 'Cincinnati group' He showed me a kitchen tile with a
1cm diameter hole burned right through it and said it was amazing to watch
it 'light up' when only 30 watts or so was used with a secret sauce. I
subsequently found out that the important or only ingredient was zirconium.
I had asked Chris at the time if aluminium powder might be part of the
'sauce' and he looked angry. I note that powdered zirconium can be used in
old style flash bulbs and pyrotechnics. Do you know if anything came of it?

Nick Palmer

On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it


On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 05:08, Terry Blanton  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:51 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:46 PM Robin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So if an insult was intended, none taken. :)
>>>
>>
>> No, Donk was my favorite character in "Crocodile Dundee".  Reminded me of
>> my uncle.
>>
>
> I joined this list over 2 decades ago at the encouragement of Chris
> Tinsley, who I met on the MUFON forum of CompuServe where I was a moderator
> and investigator for the Mutual UFO Network.  He encouraged me to join;
> whereby, I could ask questions of Hal Puthoff directly since he
> participated on Vortex at the time.  Chris also introduced me to Eugene
> Mallove, another UFO fan; although, a bit more reserved than Chris.
>
> Dr. Puthoff was very approachable and even open to answering questions
> about his involvement in Remote Viewing research among other things.
> Little did I know (not a reference to Scott :) that Chris got me here
> because I was skeptical of Cold Fusion and I learned the truth on the forum.
>
> Back then, the forum was fun with literally hundred of posts per week and
> a lot of jovial posts along with the science.
>
> So, no harm intended Robin.  It's just that I've wasted a lot of time on
> Randell Mills while the power industry has wasted a lot of money.  Pity
> that kind of money did not go to Fleischmann and Pons back in the day.
> But, hey, it was not meant to be.
>
> Cheers!
>

[Vo]:what ever happened with this?

[Frank Znidarsic]

Low-energy nuclear reactions. The House report encourages NSF to “evaluate the 
various theories, experiments, and scientific literature surrounding the field 
of LENR,” which is most associated with the pursuit of cold fusion. It also 
directs NSF to “provide a set of recommendations as to whether future federal 
investment into LENR research would be prudent, and if so, a plan for how that 
investment would be best utilized.”

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Hi Bob

Classic entangled states are not far off the true SO(4) entangled 
magnetic states. The only difference is that we now know that 
entanglement is covered by the phase space and thus is not time bound. 
The wave nodes do look similar to a scalar wave and the whole entangled 
system thus can transport phase bound energy quasi timeless. Quasi, 
because we do not yet know whether the dense space metric gives some 
limitation. Experiments did show > 64c But the metric would allow (at 
best) up to pi^5 *4.


You are right that all you need is to set up a medium with identical 
magnetic behavior and connect the states with an ordering impulse. In 
SO(4) physics magnetic energies (states) must match (topology + coupling 
EM mass) to go into full resonance.


We had just an other LENR experiment that confirmed this!

J.W.

On 17.06.2020 06:51, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote:


Jurg and Jones and others—

Jurg makes a good point regarding a strong field trigger for the 
reaction.  The strong field may be electric or magnetic IMHO.


The allowable energies and positions in of particles described in such 
a system by a QM wave function will be changed, and the allowable 
combinations of  such parameters reduced.


_All_ the various particles that may be involved in the suggested LENR 
reaction that have a magnetic moment (dipole, quadrupole, octupole 
etc.) will align to some degree with the instanteous magnetic field, 
including one  associated with a passing photon of a laser beam.  If 
the  photons wave front is large enough and intense enough, many 
particles may resonate and exchange spin energy between themselves.


Some of the particles will increase their spin energy (for example. 
atoms with an electron structure) and others will decrease their spin 
energy (for example, various nuclear structures, properly aligned with 
magnetic moments of their constituent particles in phase.


The key to the reaction is having enough electronic states in atoms to 
accept a large amount of energy donated by one or more nuclei during 
the resonant cycle.


Before the reaction the order of the system is relatively  high (low 
entropy) and after the reaction the order of the system  is reduced 
with a resulting increase of entropy.


Order in this example is directly related to the total energy of the 
system and its homogeneity in  terms of energy/unit volume.


The entropy increase is consistent with the 2^nd Law of 
thermodynamics  for a reaction of an entangled (coherent) quantum system.


Knowing the stable or quasi stable spin energies of various particles 
in a coherent system, including their resonant parameters in an 
ambient magnetic field is the job of LENR engineers.


I think Jurg is working on such knowing for simple systems. The 
Brookhaven Laboratory in New York keeps a data base for many nuclear 
species of the isomeric energy states and respective spin states.  I 
believe it is available to the public.  I will research this question 
and try to get a good link to the data base.


Bob Cook



*From: *Jürg Wyttenbach 
*Sent: *Monday, June 15, 2020 4:21 PM
*To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com 
*Subject: *Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?


On 15.06.2020 16:03, Chris Zell wrote:
> I suspect that the Papp engine involves a secret hiding in plain sight.

Papp in fact used a mixture of noble gases like Ag + Kr,Xe- Both are
very efficient in support of LENR reactions. You just need to add little
Deuterium, a rusty Fe2O3 side for the catalytic production of D*and a
mechanism (strong field) , to trigger the reaction.


Unluckily he was very selfish as most others are too in the LENR
business. He took everything with him and now power heaven... But I
think that a reproduction is just a matter of money.


J.W.



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Jürg Wyttenbach
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8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Robin]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Wed, 17 Jun 2020 04:51:53 
+:
Hi Bob,

Try this http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/
[snip]
>I think Jurg is working on such knowing for simple systems.  The Brookhaven 
>Laboratory in New York keeps a data base for many nuclear species of the 
>isomeric energy states and respective spin states.  I believe it is available 
>to the public.  I will research this question and try to get a good link to 
>the data base.
>
>Bob Cook
[snip]