Re: [Vo]:LEC or Air-gen

2023-06-02 Thread MSF
My initial reaction to the water creating heat by contact was the same as 
yours, that it was chemical. However, if you wait for an hour or so, when you 
place a droplet of water on the same spot the same thing happens.

Something I forgot to emphasize about this nanoporous aluminum film is that the 
total thickness in this case was about 400 nm, but the graduated nanoporosity 
was probably about half that. So the disappearing water is really more 
remarkable. Because of the gradient from nanoporous to solid the coating is 
very cohesive, not flakey like some of the LEC plating. I'm guessing, but I 
think that the pores start off larger at the surface and become progressively 
smaller toward the solid metal.



--- Original Message ---
On Friday, June 2nd, 2023 at 10:47 PM, Robin  
wrote:


> In reply to MSF's message of Fri, 02 Jun 2023 18:01:13 +:
> Hi,
> 
> Several years ago, I suggested to Mills in private email that a surface 
> containing pits that had a dimension matching
> the wavelength of a photon with the same energy as his "energy hole", might 
> function as a catalyst for Hydrino
> production, but he appears to have ignored my suggestion.
> Your report of a water droplet on nano-porous Aluminium might be 
> confirmation, though I suspect a more likely
> explanation is that the water simply reacted chemically with the Aluminium 
> because the oxide layer that normally covers
> it was disrupted.



Re: [Vo]:LEC or Air-gen

2023-06-02 Thread Robin
In reply to  MSF's message of Fri, 02 Jun 2023 18:01:13 +:
Hi,

Several years ago, I suggested to Mills in private email that a surface 
containing pits that had a dimension matching
the wavelength of a photon with the same energy as his "energy hole", might 
function as a catalyst for Hydrino
production, but he appears to have ignored my suggestion.
Your report of a water droplet on nano-porous Aluminium might be confirmation, 
though I suspect a more likely
explanation is that the water simply reacted chemically with the Aluminium 
because the oxide layer that normally covers
it was disrupted.


[snip]
>I can't help but suspect that they are the same thing. Since the LEC seems to 
>work with the the phenomenon of nanoporosity and doesn't necessarily need 
>catalyst metals such as palladium, perhaps all of CF, LENR, CANR work on this 
>principle and are not fusion at all, but some other phenomenon not yet well 
>understood. Maybe it works like the atomic hydrogen torch, where splitting 
>diatomic hydrogen and then recombining it results in large energy release. Or 
>maybe the nanoporosity literally splits the diatomic hydrogen and then crushes 
>it into the hydrino. Water molecules could be similarly broken down within the 
>nanopores.
[snip]
Buy electric cars and recharge them from solar panels on your roof.



[Vo]:LEC or Air-gen

2023-06-02 Thread MSF
I've spent some time catching up on the hydrovoltaic air-gen research and I am 
surprised I knew nothing about it previously. This field of research has been 
going on for quite some time and the recent breathless news release by the 
group at UMass Amherst was likely an attempt to raise fresh funding.

If you're curious about it detail, read this:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/action/downloadSupplement?doi=10.1002%2Fadma.202300748=adma202300748-sup-0001-SuppMat.pdf

Then compare the analysis of results to this:

https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DiStefanoAexperiment.pdf

I can't help but suspect that they are the same thing. Since the LEC seems to 
work with the the phenomenon of nanoporosity and doesn't necessarily need 
catalyst metals such as palladium, perhaps all of CF, LENR, CANR work on this 
principle and are not fusion at all, but some other phenomenon not yet well 
understood. Maybe it works like the atomic hydrogen torch, where splitting 
diatomic hydrogen and then recombining it results in large energy release. Or 
maybe the nanoporosity literally splits the diatomic hydrogen and then crushes 
it into the hydrino. Water molecules could be similarly broken down within the 
nanopores.

The nanoporous aluminum film I made 10 years ago would likely work well for 
either the LEC or the air-gen. It was coated onto a PET film substrate and was 
a mirror on the substrate side and dead black on the exposed surface. The fact 
that a small drop of water literally vanishes into the surface of a film only 
about 400 nm thick and becomes hot at the area of contact would seem to 
indicate appropriate use in the LEC or the air-gen.

Sheer speculation on my part. What's your take?