Re: [Vo]:OT - formally just interesting- other FatCats in some trouble
Kindly take this stuff to Vortex-b.
Re: [Vo]:OT - formally just interesting- other FatCats in some trouble
Replied to in vortex-b.
Re: [Vo]:OT - formally just interesting- other FatCats in some trouble
Replied to in vortex-b. I got a 550 failure from the attempt to send the reply to vortex-b, so maybe Popfile can sort the political junk from the juicy fringe-science stuff.
Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?
It is clear now that both of these tests were juvenile efforts at calorimetry - below high school standards... If Steorn, with a bunch of engineers working for it, could make a measurement error and not spot it for a year or more, and have to have it pointed out to them by an outside engineer, Philip forget last name, then I can believe Rossi and company are mired in confusion as well.
Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?
A person can believe anything, but you do not have a rational reason for believing this particular assertion. You cannot show how or why they are mired in confusion, or point to any likely error in their technique. As I understand it, Rossi is claiming to do something that people who know a lot about this sort of thing believe is not possible. Until enough people have reverse-engineered his device and gotten the same amazing performance that he claims, it seems more likely that he and his colleagues have made a mistake than that they have an amazing new invention.
Re: [Vo]:Massive Rossi Claim: 97 E-Cats In Operation Right Now Accross 4 Countries
The single most important development in recent history and in a time of crisis, but it's not worthy of mention. Why should the media mention it? It hasn't been replicated, as far as we know, by independent testing labs; nobody even knows how it works or if it works reliably. Right now, it is just another wild claim, down there with Steorn.
[Vo]:Cold Fusion Replicated thousands of times?
Cold fusion has been replicated thousands of times in hundreds of labs Straighten me out here, but I thought that the replications were one-off things that could not be reliably repeated, or the supposed OU from them was so small that it could be written off as error. What was compelling to me about Rossi's demo was, to start with, that it *was* a demo, and not a claim that so-and-so and a lab assistant had seen OU on one occasion. As well, the demo was done before a group of technical people, and had the participation of Focardi, presumably a man of substance when it comes to messing around with this sort of thing. They even repeated it a few weeks later.
Re: [Vo]:Clear, odorless, water-based combustible
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Considerably less than the $100 million Euros that a Greek investor might be willing to advance …. Ha, ha. And how would this work now that they are testing it in Rossi's absence? I imagine they will notice. Surely the hidden tank will run out, or they will try another source of water. Maybe Rossi is using ice-nine.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi addresses Ni enrichment issue
No, I was not here a few years ago. By the way, I'm not far right. I am a libertarian (no longer affiliated with the party since they nominated Bob Barr the biggest drug warrior in congress as their presidential candidate) and Ron Paul supporter. You should send 'political' or any other OT postings to the vortexb list, especially political postings, since they seem to suck in people so easily. It must be some sick 'political' gene that people have, and that makes them throw rules of courtesy and common-sense overboard. You have to be subscribed to vortexb to see the posts there, so anyone who does not want to see OT stuff can refrain from subscribing. Here is the info on vortexb: List-Post: mailto:vortex...@eskimo.com List-Help: mailto:vortexb-l-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=help List-Subscribe: mailto:vortexb-l-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe List-Unsubscribe: mailto:vortexb-l-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?
OTOH - If he is a total scam artist, and that is certainly not ruled out - then he has probably lined up one or two especially wealthy investors, whom he will fleece. Maybe he figures his scam is morally right since he will use the money he makes to help the kids with cancer.
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
Could it be a hoax? I don't know, but I am surprised that Mark Goldes hasn't had anything to add. Steorn is still in there, sort of, implying, on their 'steornofficial' twitter account, that they have a 3kw heater that you can hold in your hand; and saying that they will release 'info' on a 15kw heater within 4 weeks.
Re: [Vo]:IT IS TIME~HADRON TAPPED the GRAVION-TACHYON(speed) TORSION-WAVE
!GREAT NEWS 4 JAPAN THE REST OF THE PLANET: It's time to 'reboot' aka it's a 'NEW BALL GAME' with 'not merely' a NEW SCORE CARD; oh no; it's NOW TIME for a completely NEW SCORE SYSTEM for WORLD PHYSICS as WE KNOW IT. . . (also, Great news Spook, no gruel today!---Ok Screw, What are we having for lunch? CRAMPS~;-) ~IT IS TIME~HADRON over: proved cross-spectrum Plasmonic-Access JAPAN obviates Nuclear Designs in favor of these Quasi-Hadron relatively compact transpectum Plasmonic-Gravion toroidal-torsion wave accessing reactors. Your stuff is way over my head, but thanks for breaking it into paragraphs.
Re: [Vo]:Washington Times comments on Rossi
I don't wish to sound negative, but that is the Washington Times and not the Washington Post. It is owned by reverend Sun Myung Moon who heads the Unification Church. You make it sound like the Washsington Times is the National Enquirer. As far as I know, it is a respected newspaper.
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC: A special public announcement: from Madison, Wisconsin
I have posted this particular OFF TOPIC commentary in vortex-l because I have perceived the fact that there are individuals on this list that have shown interest in what's been happening in Madison, Wisconsin. Then they should be reading your pearls on vortex-b. What is so hard to figure out about that?
Re: [Vo]:Explosion at Fukushima nuclear power plant
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: This site is reporting a core meltdown: http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110312D12JFF03.htm Have all six failed? OMG. Rossi is probably getting a lot of enquiries from Japan.
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:No Fusion dream
I normally don't remember my dreams but had a very disturbing one a couple nights ago that I haven't been able to shake. It was about large flocks of birds flying straight up Into space and merging into huge black mantled skeletons that swept back down to kill and destroy everything on the surface You think that was bad? I dreamed the other night that I was at a party where I met Amanda Tapping. Looking into her gorgeous eyes I suggested we go back to my place, whereupon she sneered at me as too old and decrepit. I started to tell her that I had a hot-fusion Rossi Electro-Catalyzer in my pocket when the alarm clock went off. Talk about traumatic!
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented outrage, history being made
http://www.youtube.com/user/OrionworksVideos?feature=mhum#p/u In the dark of the night, without notice to the public, without any debate, without even printing copies of the bill, 18 Republicans used procedural trickery to strip hundreds of thousands of workers in Wisconsin of their collective bargaining rights. The picture of the democrats abandoning their place in the legislature and hiding out in another state makes them look irresponsible it seems to me. I am pleased the Republicans found a way to put the will of the people into effect despite the worst efforts of the democrats.
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented out...
Please, forward to the Liberally Unstable. You,,, yes you! the so-called people of this country, who continually construe CALLING BILL BEATTY!! This OT stuff is getting out of hand.
Re: [Vo]:Latest Rossi news at PESN
That would be a huge win. If they confiscate it then they have to admit it produces radioactivity. Then he could go on every talk show in the entire USA. Cold Fusion would finally be vindicated. I would rather have the 100 units operating than confiscated. That would do more to vindicate cold fusion than the the enmity of some government agency.
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Financial Warfare
Oops, I have wandered far from the subject. Please forgive me. No problem: off-topic is the new on-topic. In any case, it was not 'entirely' OT.
Re: [Vo]:OT (But Not Entirely) - Wisconsin Public Employees Continue Protesting. State Senators AWOL
Why don't you send this stuff to vortex-b which is the forum for OT subjects?
Re: [Vo]:OT (But Not Entirely) - Wisconsin Public Employees Continue Protesting. State Senators AWOL
PeatBog, The subject thread of my posts clearly state OT Off Topic. You are free to view OT posts or not. I skimmed a few but have largely skipped them. The point is, though, that vortex-b was created for ot posts. Why not use it?
Re: [Vo]:OT (But Not Entirely) - Wisconsin Public Employees Continue Protesting. State Senators AWOL
Your reasons for posting in vortex-b are clear, but I have to disagree with what you are doing. If you want to post ot stuff, and you want to play by the vortex rules, I suggest that you announce in vortex-l that you have a bunch of stuff that is dear to your heart that you want to post, but that it is ot so you are going to post it in vortex-b. You might add a little teaser to make it sound exciting. Remind the vortex-l readers that they can subscribe to vortex-b by sending an email to vortexb-l-requ...@eskimo.com, with a subject of: subscribe. Then mention that vortex-b is not being used to speak of and that if they subscribe they will not be bombarded with anything except the really interesting stuff that you are going to post there. Reading that, it sounds like a poor way to convince anybody to read your stuff, but what can you do if you are going to follow the vortex rules?
Re: [Vo]:OT (But Not Entirely) - Wisconsin Public Employees Continue Protesting. State Senators AWOL
Most of us don't mind OT posting as long as it is so labeled. Some of us enjoy OT posts. Virtually everyone is guilty on occasion. Sure. Maybe I'll block the subject, but I want to wait a bit to see if Bill Beatty weighs in: I enjoyed his hammering of the ot posters the last time.
Re: [Vo]:The Big Picture
Most of us here on the forum agree that if the Rossi device is not faked, it is the most important energy invention since the Manhattan project. This is what Mills had claimed for his work about 6 months ago, but all of a sudden BLP is 'eating dust' and stalled at the gate in the metaphorical race. and it could be a race for the ages, with nothing less than totally world energy dominance as the grand prize. I don't follow the talk about energy dominance. How to make the device is pretty well known, except for the catalyst. Once Rossi comes across with a convincing demo or the mw power plant, or even does a long run of the 12kw device, it won't be long before people figure out what the catalyst is and build the devices for themselves. To whatever degree it is necessary for a theoretical understanding before the device can be fully exploited, once the yellow guys and the other white guys get interested (and the brown people in India are no slouches these days either), they can figure it out just as well as the guys at Cern. Patents will be a joke. No country is going to sit around waiting for Rossi's permission. Countries will break every agreement they have in regard to patents rather than not build the device.
Re: [Vo]: The tides have changed... The genie is out of the bottle.
http://wattsupwiththat.com, a widely-read website, has a non-sneering article about the Rossi claims.
Re: [Vo]:The dawn of a new era?
FWIW. I found this at: http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1951page=7 I asked a contact from Italy check the videos and documentation last night (the contact knows the Bologna university very well). Summary: Rossi just has a black box where the university scientists are not allowed to look into (hey, patent pending, you know). Only measurements from outside are allowed. For example: to check the gamma-radiation Rossi has provided a special hole on one spot of his machine, and only there the radiation may be measured. The university scientists are 'used' by Rossi to provide acceptance for his in invention. Maybe one scientist is involved in the scam. During the first of the three videos the camera also turns to the invited professors and university board, naming them specifically. My contact was laughing, telling me that in Bologna the higher level management has only their positions because of family or politics, and that those 'professors' have no clue about the physics involved. But they really like publicity. Conclusion: this looks very much like the demonstration of the magnetic machine in Delft University (Netherlands) last year, where scam artists are using the naive openness of scientific University staff to create credibility. While they are not willing to show what's inside the black box (patent issues), not even to the people doing the experiments.
Re: [Vo]:More on Ni-H LENR
Thanks. Brrr... Not much heat in the Lamb shift. ... guess that's why lambs-eat-oats ... Don't lambs eat ivy (kids eat it too)? I believe it is mares and does who eat oats. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Subject: Re: [Vo]:More on Ni-H LENR LS = 4.372 x 10^-6 eV = x 1.602 x 10^-19 J/eV = 7.00 x 10^-25 J
Re: [Vo]:OT: Virtual Currency - The future of currency in the 21st century and beyond.
It sounds like computerized food stamps that never run out and are available to the entire population, regardless of income. One thing that I don't like about it is that it sounds like cc would be a large bureaucracy. For example, they might declare that plasma tvs with screens less than 21 inches are necessities of life (a citizen must be kept up to date with what is going on, etc), but that larger ones are luxuries. The classification would change as technology advanced, so that when flat-screen tvs took over, any size plasma tv would be seen as a necessity. This sort of thing would occur all the time, it seems to me, needing an army of bureaucrats to keep track of it all. Under this plan, the credits for necessities would be available to everybody, not just poor people. So a family with an average income, large enough to live in reasonable comfort, who, under today's system, would pay for their basic food, would no longer pay for it, meaning the government would. When you add in the other things you mention: 'health, basic health services, basic public transportation, basic shelter', it sounds like much, most? of the economy would be socialistic. Socialistic economies seem to work, unless they get too 'social'; not sure how social this plan would end up being.
Re: [Vo]:OT: Virtual Currency - The future of currency in the 21st century and beyond.
I need to correct a misconception. Under the VC system the average and well-off DO pay for essential services. Sorry, I badly mis-read that. So, it is food stamps without limit for those who need them, applied automatically by cc. I kind of like it but still wonder about: 1. A horrendously large cc bureaucracy. 2. Thieves/lawyers/entrepreneurs (the categories greatly overlapping, probably) finding ways to milk the system for their own gain. For example, organizing poor people to buy more food than they need with virtual credits, and buying the extra food from them with real credits, if that is possible under the system, or by providing them with luxuries. The food thus bought is then sold at a price lower than its original price, but still making a profit for the thieves. The profit came from the government-supplied food, ie the taxpayer-supplied food, and went into luxuries for the poor, and more luxuries for the thieves. It does not encourage the poor to work harder, since that particular job is so easy to do. That is a half-baked example and might not be workable for the thieves, or might be easily foiled by the system, though at the price of snooping into the lives of the poor that are involved. Practically speaking such a system might help ensure the over-all quality of food stamps. Keep in mind the fact that if rich and powerful receive the exact same food stamps that the less advantage receive they are more likely to make sure that the food stamps they receive AVAIL themselves to the best quality for which society can supply everyone with. IOW, while the rich might benefit, so would the less advantaged. Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see that happening: the rich will buy the best health care, not the basic care available to the less-rich - same as now; the rich will buy the best housing, not the basic version, etc. - They will be just as disconnected from the hoi polloi as they are today. I read somewhere a suggestion that people be allowed to have an income no more than x times that of the average income. Maybe that could be worked into your VC system to occur automatically and would keep the rich a bit more connected to the rest of us. One thing that strikes me about the chiropractic example is that it seems more people would become chiropractors (or doctors or perform any service) because their possible base of patients would expand to people who nowadays can not afford such services. But somebody has to pay for the services of the chiropractor, and the necessities that are bought. If it isn't the poor person, it must be the taxpayers. If the economy is efficient - if products are made at a low cost, then they can be virtually bought by the poorer people and impose a lower burden on the taxpayers than they would if the products were more expensive to make.
Re: [Vo]:No one would DARE try to replicate Vyosotski
Jed Rothwell wrote: For a scientist to discuss it would be like a U.S. politician going out on weekends on WWII reenactments dressed as a member of the Waffen-SS, like this nitwit did: http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/10/15/definition-of-a-bad-political-photo-op-rich-iotts-nazi-reenactment/ - Jed I don't want to hijack the thread, but if Rich Lott is a [political] nitwit, that says more about the pathetically cringing state of our society than it does about him. Quote from the article: Iott…said his interest in Nazi Germany was historical and he does not subscribe to the tenets of Nazism. “No, absolutely not,” he said. “In fact, there’s a disclaimer on the [Wiking] website. And you’ll find that on almost any reenactment website. It’s purely historical interest in World War II.” Iott, who originally joined Wiking in an effort to bond with his son, gave up his membership in the group in 2007. Wiking lists itself as a “living history and World War Two reenactment society,” and defended itself in a recent story posted on its site: “Any person or political group who believes there is some bizarre hidden Nazi agenda by reenactors is not only ignorant of the facts but using false representation to foster their own political ambition and beneath contempt. Would these same accusers point a finger at Civil War Confederate reenactors and say they are all racially prejudiced?”
[Vo]:WW2 Re-enactment
Good point, but what would you say about me if I wanted to reenact satanic rituals or the killing of JFK? Would this be ok? Don't you wonder why Lott chose to be German rather than pretend to be British. The Nazis were so abhorrent and insane that any connection must be avoided at all costs. Lott obviously does not share this opinion even though he may not agree with the Nazi goals. Ed Replied to on vortex...@eskimo.com.
Re: [Vo]:any thoughts on this new steorn video where 2 engineers and a physicist are baffled at their 308% overunity results?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HKTYrVjEGY In this video, two engineers and a physicist give their reactions to the Orbo Evaluation and Development Unit. here's a screencapture of the scopeshot: http://scene.org/~esa/merlib/screenshotfrom_testing_of_the_orbo_evaluation_and_development_unit.jpg When I see the engineer saying the device is 300 percent OU, and then think how there are a bunch of people paying 419 euro to work on the devices - develop them or whatever it is exactly that they are doing in the skdb, it feels like there is a giant discrepancy between what I think are the implications of 300 percent OU, and what is actually being done with it. If Steorn have OU beyond any measurement error, and 300 percent fits that requirement, they should have sent it long ago to testing labs, and should have had a press conference long ago, probably standing beside the Prime Minister, and should have been inundated with more money than George Soros has, and the world should be in a ferment with people replacing furnace oil burners, car engines, you name it, with Orbos. At least that is the only way I can imagine OU being made public. Instead, we have Steorn inviting people to pay them 419 euros for the privilege of learning about the technology. I am confused.
Re: [Vo]:any thoughts on this new steorn video where 2 engineers and a physicist are baffled at their 308% overunity results?
You are assuming that the labs would openly receive and report, in fact they do claim to have given it to testing labs and they got positive results but didn't want to be named. They claimed to have shown it to several academics who agreed there was an 'anomaly' but would not allow their names to be associated with it. That makes sense, since a lab would be rubbished for reporting such. It makes sense if all they saw was an ambiguous excess of energy. Why would they go out on a limb for something that might have a dozen conventional explanations? But if I ran a testing lab and came across 300 percent OU, not some rinky-dink ambiguous excess, and tested the bejesus out of it, and finally came to believe that it really was 300 percent OU, I would shout it to the skies; it would be a bonanza of publicity for my lab. I would want to be closely associated with it. And what president would collapse the oil industry like that, certainly not Americas previous president, probably very few of them at all. If the president or prime minister didn't want to collapse it, then the inventors would be happy to, if only because it would make them multi-billionaires and ensure that they would be remembered for centuries. Secondly I think it has to do with them not have got it to produce truly convincing amounts of energy even if the ratio of input-output is OU. That's not what the engineers said. They claim that there is 300 percent OU. How can you construe that to mean that it is not producing 'truly convincing amounts of energy'? 300 percent OU is not convincing? But aside from the amazing claims of the three engineers, everything points to a scam or monumental self-delusion: People with 300 percent OU don't muck around with some half-baked skdb. You notice the engineers didn't claim to have closed the loop, even with 300 percent OU. None of these amazing schemes are ever able to do that. Now I am still skeptical of this crowd, but your scenario is innocent and child like.
Re: [Vo]:?CENSORSHIP? re: NASA's BPP Russian version
That is nothing. I heard that Iran has a fleet of satellites, each one containing 50 multi-megaton hydrogen bombs with advanced late-nazi guidance systems ready to be dropped on the various Great Satans and waiting only for the head mullah to give the word as soon as he gets permission from the Israeli Knesset.
Re: [Vo]:FW: RELIGION CALLS IT GOD: Deep-Thought Lives!SENTIENT-COMPRESSED DATA WAVE/AexoTCW(HyperSpace-Tachyon(speed)CarrierWave/TESLA-Tulku-Team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 *Tachyon(speed) hyper Compressed-Data-fractal coded M-BRANE is the UBIQUITOUS hyper-SENTIENT super-CARRIER WAVE.'* Deep-Thoughts: ALL ENERGY is a FRACTAL-CODED hyper-compressed VIRTUALLY INFINITE. 'sentient-self-propogating/self aware' TACHYON-speed CARRIER WAVE. IN SHORT: Russian Aethyr Physicist call it AETHYR; I call 'Hyperspace-AexoDarkEnergy SUPERPLASMA' HADES??? religion calls it GOD. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkxUX14ACgkQyZu1OT5kz5HPuACeJU6UwotrIu7yWASk0QS+oVq5 b7AAnA4b3pFlGxtf9vw4wb6Lh5QVjEMo =3Sgx -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Solar EMP: the biggest threat to our way of life?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sounds like an opportunity for another WPA to help lift us out of the depression: build scads of spare transformers and whatever other electric machinery is needed to 'harden' the grid system. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkw/JKsACgkQ1KtzjbpTR8YMgwCfYtI4Av9rHXAaqY0lCJ8jJbXr QrgAoJdWUwehlWwHV9OvPZcXCm9ggzQy =A90z -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:steorn addendum video posted on youtube
I think on the contrary that the entirety of their licensing revenue will be from individuals. If I understand correctly their licensing model, enterprises will only pay a percentage of their sales of products implementing the technology. So if the technology doesn't work they won't pay a cent. Individuals on the contrary pay a flat fee! It would take a lot of individual fees to equal the royalties from a company like GE. In any case, my guess is that whatever information they give to people buying a license will soon be all over the internet. Their only chance of making money will be from companies who respect their patents.
Re: [Vo]:steorn addendum video posted on youtube
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:11:03 -0600 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed that neither have you offered any information in regards to Steorn's flat fee structure. I assume you don't know the answer either. So, how can you tell? We're both speculating! ;-) The cost is 419 euros per year. Here are the terms: http://www.steorn.com/orbo/licensing/
Re: [Vo]:Back EMF: Sean may be right
if they have 2:1 excess:input, it would be a conclusive demonstration, and they could actually raise huge sums as investments. Apparently, they don't need any more investment. They want people to buy licenses from them.
Re: [Vo]:Back EMF: Sean may be right
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:01:22 -0800 (PST) Or has Steorn now released all info on Orbo so everyone can build exact copies? Part numbers of toroid cores, number of turns of which gauge of wire etc? As I understand it, they will do that starting Feb 1, if you pay them 419 euros. According to the remarks by a member, the people already in the steorn development group will also get the final pieces of the info needed to make an orbo, but I don't know if that will happen on Feb 1 (no charge to those people).
Re: [Vo]:steorn talk#2 today at 5pm irish time + closeup shots of steorn talk#2 demo-rig
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:57:17 -0600 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately for the rest of us who are languishing in the peanut gallery, I fear we will have to wait very VERY long time before anything of substance is revealed. McCarthy says that calorimetry results will be published at the end of this month. This is work being done by an independent firm. One of the 'skud' members says he has been told third-party testing will also be done. I hope the calorimetry results are unambiguous one way or the other. So we may know soon that they have something amazing or not. If they do, I hope enough hotshot engineers at large companies will work on it so that real products will show up within a year. FWIW, one of the engineers at waterways told a visitor he thought the first application would be to power portable generators.
[Vo]:Is OU Here At Last?
Flying Dutchman page: http://www.fdp.nu/triforcegate/default.asp ClaNZer video No. 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4kq1oNMtws ClaNZer video No. 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLLXuH2YPYk ClaNZer video No. 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmVEOf0q9dk
Re: [Vo]:(OT) The Earth to Stand Still, again
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:25:28 -0600 OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before I clarify the meaning behind the subject title (as if most haven't already figured it out!) here's interesting VIDEO footage (and reported analysis) of yet another apparent solid body UFO. This one was spotted below the moonlit skies over Istanbul / Kumburgaz. Pretty amazing detail. See: http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0208/kumburaz.html It looks like the upper part of a circular neon sign, mostly hidden by the ridge of a hill. Maybe a gas-station sign? The dimmer versions are probably when it is turned off and reflecting the lights in the parking lot. Or maybe it is part of the roof of a circular building. Of course, if all the witnesses mentioned are real and truthful and those wacky Turks aren't having fun with us, then it's probably not a sign or a building. But it probably is.
Re: [peatbog] Re: [Vo]:Richard Boyland UFO newsletter
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:26:29 -0600 OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gather the object was very large, black for the most part, triangular shaped, and opaque in the sense that it blocked out starlight as it flew over the gazing eyes of astonished witnesses, including the eyes of Governor Symington. It would appear that no one got a decent photograph of the object. This is understandable since the object was opaque, and it was in the evening. I still vote for a projection test, since any projection gizmo worth its salt would be able to occlude stars. If it accelerated as fast as people thought, it could not be material or it would have made a huge blast. The 600 foot diameter was probably a gross exaggeration, but if true, sounds like a projection. Any alien worth _his_ salt (or whatever they use) could, of course, do those things with a material spaceship.
Re: [Vo]:OT: Bigfoot on Mars??
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:18:13 -0600 OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The UFO was witnessed hovering stationary for approximately five minutes before it began to move - slowly at fist. But then suddenly, within a blink of an eye, it zipped towards the horizon and appeared to disappear (as if its lights went out?) before it passed across the horizon. The acceleration and unbelievable speed appeared to have been instantaneous. Interesting report. If it accelerated so rapidly, and was so large, wouldn't there have been an enormous blast of wind? Maybe a humongous sonic boom? Maybe the Air Force was testing some sort of projection technology. Sounds like it could be useful on a battlefield to confuse the enemy.
[Vo]:Cold Electricity
Saw this on another list: Remember cold electricity? Just hours ago, all the videos for Dr. Ronald Stiffler's Cold Electricity demonstrations were removed from YouTube. His web site is now taken down as well
Re: [Vo]:Cold Electricity
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:46:01 -0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the difference of not having access to the web site because it was taken down OR under a DOS attack? Mark Jordan You need to see these things in a wider perspective: It's nothing to the viewer of the site, but a lot to the owner. The owner of the site ends up with a large bill for the bandwidth used before the site crashes. Or, the dos attack uses up his allocated bandwidth and he has to buy extra to get the site back up. The dos attack might also affect the isp in general, which might jeopardize the victim's account. I'd have thought Stiffler could put up a simple notice as the index page, saying that the site was temporarily down. That would not chew up much bandwidth (I think), but you can't blame him for being extra careful.
Re: [Vo]:Message from the Inventor, was: Cold reception to cold electricity
Is the circuit considered complicated to those who know about such things? Has DrS given out enough information for it to be replicated? Has anyone tried? Apologies if I am asking questions that have been answered.
Re: [Vo]: Mars Melt
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Terry Blanton wrote: On 12/26/06, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's as if Steorn wants to get the information out, but in such a way that it doesn't invalidate any patents they are seeking. They might already have patent problems. ;-) Please give us the details. These are constant torque motors, so, ironically, in their simplest embodiment, they would self destruct without a load. The highest power to weight ratio would therefore be a high RPM version. Steorn claims to have a 550 hp motor running. Yes, hence the advantage of the Sprain approach. We can control the torque by controlling the RPM. The real problem is that most real loads vary immensely. Your typical home has a peak demand of 10 kW with an average demand of roughly 2 kW. Regarding a 550 motor, this means little without knowing their COP. With their stated COP of 2.3, one might assume that almost half of the power is consumed internally. Terry
Re: [Vo]: How Steorn Works
Terry Blanton wrote: From Steve's interview and close examination of the test rig image, I believe I know how the Steorn machine works. Note the large aluminum disk has what appears to be four threaded holes around it's perimeter. Also note that to the left of the disk are threaded holes in the supporting mechanism. I believe four NeFeBo magnets are attached to the disk in 90 degree increments and one Neo is attached to the supporting mechanism. A mumetal shield is arranged with a camming device such that when the disk is rotated by hand, the attractive force of the magnets adds momentum to the disk. When the rotor magnet is nearest the stator magnet, the cam drops the shield between the magnets sending the disk over the sticky point. The cam then lifts the shield and the next magnet approaches. They had to convince themselves that they could generate energy so a worm gear is added to the drive shaft. This drives a large pulley which is belted to a small pulley. The mechanical energy drives a generator which subsequently drives a motor. In a similar gear/pully arrangement they drive another shaft. If you look in the foreground of that shaft you will see a mechanical brake which can add a load to the driven shaft using the brass screw. Speed sensors are on the ends of each shaft. Just my opinion, I could be wrong. Terry I thought that anything that blocked a magnet's attraction was also attracted to it, so that there is extra work needed to insert or remove the shield from between the magnets.
Re: [Vo]: Put a [Vo] tag in the message Subject line
John Steck wrote: Will all due respect Bill, this is a silly thing to waste time on just because someone is too lazy to set up a simple filter on the address. As soon as you reply a RE: or FW: gets put in front of it... doh! Just my 2 cents. 8^( When I first started reading vortex, I put a filter on the To: header to whitelist anything addressed to vortex-l, and added one to move the message into the Vortex folder. I'm using mozilla thunderbird, but thought even the simplest mail readers could do that. -Original Message- From: William Beaty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:17 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]: Put a [Vo] tag in the message Subject line Test. Does this work? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Research Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED]UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 206-543-6195Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
