Re: [VO]:Re:Orion's Dunkin Donut

2006-09-25 Thread OrionWorks
Richard wrote:
 
>> From OrionWorks:
>>
>> Ok, now, all you mad scientists lurking out in vortex land, what happens
>> to the doughnut shaped ring? Will it remain stationary, or will it
>> possibly begin to spin.

> Howdy Steven,
>
> Remains stationary. Visualize two fields. Each field is vortex shaped
> like a spinning top. The base of the two tops connected at their base.
> Use a mind picture of the actual fields within a donut shaped magnet
> to understand the fields are rotating in opposite directions similar
> to earth's magnetis fields. That's what keeps a single donut shaped
> magnet from flying off into the sunset and our feet of the ground
>  err.. well.. that is.. unless one has an extremely vivid imagination
> brought about by inhaling certain types of hemp pollen.
>
> Richard

Howdy back, Richard.

The Vortex mailing list rudely striped away the subject field of my original 
post, which was supposed to have stated: "A Spinning Doughnut for Your 
Thoughts?", However, a "Dunkin Donut" works just fine by me as well! ;-)

I really ought to build a 3D rapid prototype model of what it is that I'm 
trying to visualize here using RHINO 3D, and then post a link to it -- HAH! IF 
I could only find the time to do this. I'm not sure my description was fully 
understood. You state: "Visual two fields." Two fields? I only visual a single 
field where the magnetic flux lines are "traveling" between the two cylindrical 
magnets in parallel lines. Here's a crude graphic representation of what it is 
that I'm trying to build. Make sure you look at this diagram in plain text mode:

 || < Central turning axis of donut.
 ||
   * || *
   * N * || * N *
   *   * || *   *
   *   * || *   * <- Cylinder Permanent Magnet
   *   * || *   *with hole through center
   * S * || * S *
   * || *
     ||  
   |  |  /\  |  |
   |- |==  ==| -|  <= Negatively charged "donut ring"
   |  |  \/  |  |
     ||  
   * || *
   * N * || * N *
   *   * || *   * <- Cylinder Permanent Magnet
   *   * || *   *with hole through center
   *   * || *   *
   * S * || * S *
   * || *
 ||
 || < Central turning axis of donut.

Please note that this DIAGRAM is a CROSS SECTION. While it might look like 
there are four independent "bar" magnets. In truth there are only two where we 
have -sliced- through the upper and lower cylinder magnets. Likewise we have 
sliced through the negatively charged "dunkin donut!"

Granted this diagram depicts a static magnetic field, but there is only one 
magnetic field where the flux lines are essentially running parallel between 
the two cylinder permanent magnets.

The skeptical side of me suspects that since the flux lines are essentially 
static, as well as the charged donut the contraption will NOT begin to spin 
even though it is immersed within a strong magnetic field which ought to make 
the ALL the additionally charged "free" electrons want to spiral in a 
particular direction.


Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.Zazzle.com/orionworks

FYI: Again, here is the text of my original post:

Are there any mad scientists within the Vortex group that might be willing to 
stick their neck out and make a reasonably accurate prediction what would 
happen if the following device was built. BTW, I don't perceive it as being 
impossible to build this device either:

Create a doughnut shape ring consisting of extremely thin lattices of flat 
disk-like material (much thinner than paper) that circumnavigate the entire 
360-degree "ring" circumference. These pancake-like disks would consist of two 
different compositions of materials, placed alternately between each other.

The composition of the first kind of material, what I'll call the "ionic 
composition" possesses the ability to collect and store an extremely large 
collection of electrons within its internal matrix. The second material, which 
I'll call the "insulator composition", works as an extremely effective 
insulator, effectively barring any collection of free electrons that might 
accumulate within the "ionic composition" disks from jumping between each other.

Just to be clear here, I'm speaking of a doughnut shaped ring consisting of a 
stacked lattice of two kinds of extremely thin disk material circumnavigating 
the entire 360 degree circumference of the doughnut shaped ring.

Design the doughnut shaped ring so that each of the "ionic" disks are connected 
to microscopic electrical leads that radiate inward, like the wire spokes 
belonging to a bicycle wheel. All the electrical leads are connected to a 
central axis. Visually speaking, we would have a doughnut shaped ring 
consisting of a lattice composition of two materials that, in turn, would be 
held together (supported) by a central axis. Said differently, visualize a 
spinning top (the 

[VO]:Re:Orion's Dunkin Donut

2006-09-25 Thread RC Macaulay



 
Steven Johnson wrote..
 
Ok, now, all you mad scientists lurking out in vortex land, what happens to 
the doughnut shaped ring? Will it remain stationary, or will it possibly begin 
to spin.
 
Howdy Steven,
 
Remains stationary. Visualize two fields. Each field is vortex shaped like 
a spinning top. The base of the two tops connected at their base. Use a mind 
picture of the actual fields within a donut shaped magnet to understand the 
fields are rotating in opposite directions similar to earth's magnetis fields. 
That's what keeps a single donut shaped magnet from flying off into the sunset 
and our feet of the ground  err.. well.. that is.. unless one has an 
extremely vivid imagination brought about by inhaling certain types of hemp 
pollen.
 
Richard