Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
here are different types of mass. It used to be taught that there is relativistic mass, but now there is a movement to say there is no relativistic mass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhKBCfSRKps <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhKBCfSRKps> -- Original Message -- From: "ROGER ANDERTON" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 Mar, 22 At 01:35 Subject: Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment i.e. Einstein wrong about gravity etc. -- Original Message -- From: "ROGER ANDERTON" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 Mar, 22 At 01:33 Subject: Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment How about an antigravity effect -> would that count? According to Einstein -> if heat metal (and if no chemical reactions going on) then the weight of the metal increases; but that doesn't happen and instead the metal decreases in weight - i.e. antigravity explained at -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPw3xK-9tVQ -- Original Message -- From: "Jed Rothwell" To: "Vortex" Sent: Tuesday, 1 Mar, 22 At 01:21 Subject: Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment I wrote: I asked them if they plan to give out more than one prize. I will report back if they respond. They say they haven't decided yet. They have not decided the prize amount either, contrary to what Celani reported.
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
i.e. Einstein wrong about gravity etc. -- Original Message -- From: "ROGER ANDERTON" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 1 Mar, 22 At 01:33 Subject: Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment How about an antigravity effect -> would that count? According to Einstein -> if heat metal (and if no chemical reactions going on) then the weight of the metal increases; but that doesn't happen and instead the metal decreases in weight - i.e. antigravity explained at -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPw3xK-9tVQ -- Original Message -- From: "Jed Rothwell" To: "Vortex" Sent: Tuesday, 1 Mar, 22 At 01:21 Subject: Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment I wrote: I asked them if they plan to give out more than one prize. I will report back if they respond. They say they haven't decided yet. They have not decided the prize amount either, contrary to what Celani reported.
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
How about an antigravity effect -> would that count? According to Einstein -> if heat metal (and if no chemical reactions going on) then the weight of the metal increases; but that doesn't happen and instead the metal decreases in weight - i.e. antigravity explained at -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPw3xK-9tVQ -- Original Message -- From: "Jed Rothwell" To: "Vortex" Sent: Tuesday, 1 Mar, 22 At 01:21 Subject: Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment I wrote: I asked them if they plan to give out more than one prize. I will report back if they respond. They say they haven't decided yet. They have not decided the prize amount either, contrary to what Celani reported.
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
I wrote: > I asked them if they plan to give out more than one prize. I will report > back if they respond. > They say they haven't decided yet. They have not decided the prize amount either, contrary to what Celani reported.
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
One last thing: Anyone who attempts to replicate this method needs to take some precautions. Several of these things went pyrophoric on me when I cracked them open with the idea of analyzing for transmutation. So if you try this, make sure you're not around flammable materials and wear face protection. --- Original Message --- On Monday, February 28th, 2022 at 9:31 PM, MSF wrote: > I suspect this prize is a unicorn. Big splash page announcing said prize. > Nowhere to submit your entry. Or am I missing something? I wouldn't mind > sending in what I just posted here on Vortex just to see what happens. Just a > matter of copy and paste after all. > --- Original Message --- > On Monday, February 28th, 2022 at 8:25 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: > >> I wrote: >> >>> Maybe they plan to give more than one prize. It says $2 million or $3 >>> million. Maybe that means $2 million to one person and another $1 or $2 >>> million to another. >> >> I asked them if they plan to give out more than one prize. I will report >> back if they respond.
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
I suspect this prize is a unicorn. Big splash page announcing said prize. Nowhere to submit your entry. Or am I missing something? I wouldn't mind sending in what I just posted here on Vortex just to see what happens. Just a matter of copy and paste after all. --- Original Message --- On Monday, February 28th, 2022 at 8:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: > >> Maybe they plan to give more than one prize. It says $2 million or $3 >> million. Maybe that means $2 million to one person and another $1 or $2 >> million to another. > > I asked them if they plan to give out more than one prize. I will report back > if they respond.
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
I wrote: > Maybe they plan to give more than one prize. It says $2 million or $3 > million. Maybe that means $2 million to one person and another $1 or $2 > million to another. > I asked them if they plan to give out more than one prize. I will report back if they respond.
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
I forgot to add that I originally did these experiments in glass tubing simply to see what was going on. After the initial success of the glass tube experiments, I had planned on going to carbon steel or stainless steel tubing with actual measurements of the amounts of nickel and copper and a quantitative record of the electric current applied to the tungsten filament. I would have electrodeposited the copper on top of the nickel instead of winding copper wire of unknown alloy composition. And of course, I would have used much higher pressure hydrogen. Sadly, I had to stop at that time.
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
As I stated before, I have no expectations. It would take more than $2 million to divert me from my present research which, although relatively trivial in the scheme of things is worth far more on an annual basis. If anyone wants to send me big bucks to abandon whatever IP claims I might have, if any, please do. I merely wanted to show what I had done, and to see what would happen if I disclosed it. I am also open to advising anyone who might want to continue with my method. But I simply haven't the time to work on it again myself. As to scalability, I think it is obvious that this technique is highly scalable. I've really not kept up with what has been happening with cold fusion and have no idea who Celani is. Whoever he is, I wish him luck. My problem with funding whatever research save what I'm doing now is that I have no credentials, no scientific papers published, and no education worthy of the name. So it places me in a position of having no chance at whoever is offering this money, especially in the government. --- Original Message --- On Monday, February 28th, 2022 at 12:09 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jones Beene wrote: > >> Time's a wasting. This prize should be claimed by someone we know, no? > > Maybe they plan to give more than one prize. It says $2 million or $3 > million. Maybe that means $2 million to one person and another $1 or $2 > million to another. > >>
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
Jones Beene wrote: Time's a wasting. This prize should be claimed by someone we know, no? > Maybe they plan to give more than one prize. It says $2 million or $3 million. Maybe that means $2 million to one person and another $1 or $2 million to another. >
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: > Only a fool would sell the Gates/Page blood suckers a working LENR > reaction. > If they are giving a prize with no strings attached, why not show them the reaction? As long as they do not demand a share of the intellectual property, what harm can they do? > And of course they would not pay for a reaction that cannot be scaled ... > It does not say that. It says only that it should be simple and reproducible. If they said "scalable" you would have a point. You are reading in terms and conditions that are not there. Okay, maybe they will add terms and conditions later on, but for now there is no reason to think they will be able to steal the invention or insist on scaling up.
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
Time's a wasting. This prize should be claimed by someone we know, no? Why not Celani himself? Maybe that is part of a strategic mystery scheme on his part There is the older body of evidence for copper-nickel alloy, Constantin, and/or Monel being active for reproducible thermal anomalies with hydrogen - going back a decade to Celani and Cravens - somewhat based on Mills/Holmlid theories. Your work (Michael Foster) is apparently much older but sounds somewhat similar in operation. If the prize is real and awarded on first to present a working model - then this niche seems like fertile ground for copper-nickel especially nano layered. Any patents should now be expired, Cravens' famous experiment is another one that should qualify for the prize - if he still has it working. He had lots of witnesses. Hey Michael - go for it. You would also get a measure of revenge for your other ideas. Surely a couple of million would make it worth the effort. The (minor) risk is that Celani or a mystery backer has a hidden agenda to promote his own work in the process - and that the prize is help him put together a few missing details. MSF wrote: Well OK, folks, here it is. I've been planning to post this discovery for years, but have just been putting it off. This method has worked for me, but was done clear back in 1992 and 1993. No doubt you're asking that Strangelovian question, "Zo vy didn't you tell ze vorld, eh?" The other question would be, "Why didn't you patent this and become a billionaire?" The answer to these questions is simple. I've made three really game changing disruptive discoveries/inventions at different times in my life and had my head handed to me each time. I'm so demoralized by these events, I just didn't want to go through it again. Because of that, I've stuck to businesses that don't really attract much attention and don't need large investment capital. What I'm saying is, I'm going to tell you what I did and what the results were with no expection of any kind. Of course, if those government officials want to mail me that $2 million dollar check, I won't turn it down. Fat chance of that happening. Materials and equipment: Tungsten wire treated with oxalic acid.Sulfamate nickel plating setup.Copper wire.Steel wool.6mm ID 1mm wall borosilcate tubing.Hydrogen tank (regular welding supply hydrogen)High vacuum setup.High vacuum evaporation chamber.Oxygen-propane torch.Ordinary hardware store propane torch. Fine grade steel wool was first cleaned in an aqueous sodium hydroxide solution aprox. 150g/L. Then rinsed in distilled water and finally in acetone. Air dried with a heat gun and placed in the vacuum chamber. My vacuum chamber uses an unusually long (approx. 200mm) tungsten filament for my own purposes. This particular filament was treated with an oxalic acid solution and rinsed with distilled water to promote the adhesion of electroplated nickel. Concentrated hydrogen peroxide is normally used for this purpose, but I have found the oxalic acid works better for me. A regular sulfamate nickel setup was used to deposit a layer of nickel on the tungsten. After the electrodeposition was finished it was removed from the setup, rinsed with distilled water and air dried with a heat gun. The filament was next spiral wrapped with various amounts of copper wire which had been stripped from telephone cable. I thought of electrodeposition of the copper as well, but I wanted to observe the copper being evaporated before the nickel. The filament was installed in the evaporation chamber along with the steel wool. The steel wool was located horizontally from the filament at about 500mm. I realize that all of this is not "scientific" because I didn't weigh the nickel or the copper and increased the current at a rate determined by how the copper wire looked as it was evaporated before the nickel. The copper melting into the nickel just as the nickel began to evaporate was observed as the point to increase the filament current, all highly subjective. Obviously, the result will be a graduated layer deposited on the steel wool starting with nearly all copper and finishing with nearly all nickel. The large surface area of the steel wool and the likely thermal distortion of it will produce all sorts of thicknesses and orientations of the cupronickel alloy. The chamber was slowly brought up to atmospheric pressure and the steel wool inserted into a prepared borosilicate tube. The glass tube was about 300mm in length, sealed at one end in the manner of a test tube bottom. The coated steel wool occupied about 100mm at the sealed end of the tube. Heavy high vacuum grade rubber tubing was connected to the glass tube with attached tee, valves and gauges to allow for admission of the hydrogen. After allowing the vacuum pumps to create about 10^-6 torr. The sealed end of the tube was then heated with a propane torch to just below the softening point of the
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
Only a fool would sell the Gates/Page blood suckers a working LENR reaction. 2 millions is the price they pay for a nice maiden...for a week on a yacht And of course they would not pay for a reaction that cannot be scaled ... They would change the rules... We know that P works for 100%. Also some Rossi stuff works 100% for a short time. So what? J.W. On 27.02.2022 23:48, MSF wrote: Well OK, folks, here it is. I've been planning to post this discovery for years, but have just been putting it off. This method has worked for me, but was done clear back in 1992 and 1993. No doubt you're asking that Strangelovian question, "Zo vy didn't you tell ze vorld, eh?" The other question would be, "Why didn't you patent this and become a billionaire?" The answer to these questions is simple. I've made three really game changing disruptive discoveries/inventions at different times in my life and had my head handed to me each time. I'm so demoralized by these events, I just didn't want to go through it again. Because of that, I've stuck to businesses that don't really attract much attention and don't need large investment capital. What I'm saying is, I'm going to tell you what I did and what the results were with no expection of any kind. Of course, if those government officials want to mail me that $2 million dollar check, I won't turn it down. Fat chance of that happening. Materials and equipment: Tungsten wire treated with oxalic acid. Sulfamate nickel plating setup. Copper wire. Steel wool. 6mm ID 1mm wall borosilcate tubing. Hydrogen tank (regular welding supply hydrogen) High vacuum setup. High vacuum evaporation chamber. Oxygen-propane torch. Ordinary hardware store propane torch. Fine grade steel wool was first cleaned in an aqueous sodium hydroxide solution aprox. 150g/L. Then rinsed in distilled water and finally in acetone. Air dried with a heat gun and placed in the vacuum chamber. My vacuum chamber uses an unusually long (approx. 200mm) tungsten filament for my own purposes. This particular filament was treated with an oxalic acid solution and rinsed with distilled water to promote the adhesion of electroplated nickel. Concentrated hydrogen peroxide is normally used for this purpose, but I have found the oxalic acid works better for me. A regular sulfamate nickel setup was used to deposit a layer of nickel on the tungsten. After the electrodeposition was finished it was removed from the setup, rinsed with distilled water and air dried with a heat gun. The filament was next spiral wrapped with various amounts of copper wire which had been stripped from telephone cable. I thought of electrodeposition of the copper as well, but I wanted to observe the copper being evaporated before the nickel. The filament was installed in the evaporation chamber along with the steel wool. The steel wool was located horizontally from the filament at about 500mm. I realize that all of this is not "scientific" because I didn't weigh the nickel or the copper and increased the current at a rate determined by how the copper wire looked as it was evaporated before the nickel. The copper melting into the nickel just as the nickel began to evaporate was observed as the point to increase the filament current, all highly subjective. Obviously, the result will be a graduated layer deposited on the steel wool starting with nearly all copper and finishing with nearly all nickel. The large surface area of the steel wool and the likely thermal distortion of it will produce all sorts of thicknesses and orientations of the cupronickel alloy. The chamber was slowly brought up to atmospheric pressure and the steel wool inserted into a prepared borosilicate tube. The glass tube was about 300mm in length, sealed at one end in the manner of a test tube bottom. The coated steel wool occupied about 100mm at the sealed end of the tube. Heavy high vacuum grade rubber tubing was connected to the glass tube with attached tee, valves and gauges to allow for admission of the hydrogen. After allowing the vacuum pumps to create about 10^-6 torr. The sealed end of the tube was then heated with a propane torch to just below the softening point of the borosilicate. As an experienced, but not very good, glassblower it's easy to recognize this temperature from the color of the glass and the flame. Again, not very scientific. After allowing the glass tube to cool down, hydrogen was admitted to a pressure of between 1/2 and 3/4 atmospheric pressure. At a place about 100mm from the sealed end of the tube the flame from an oxygen-propane torch was applied until the tube collapsed and sealed off the steel wool with its cupronickel coating. The longer end of the tubing was pulled away and the newly formed seal was heated to round off the sharp point. I likely made around a hundred of these tubes in rather rapid succession. Most of them did nothing. But something like a third of
Re: [Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
Well OK, folks, here it is. I've been planning to post this discovery for years, but have just been putting it off. This method has worked for me, but was done clear back in 1992 and 1993. No doubt you're asking that Strangelovian question, "Zo vy didn't you tell ze vorld, eh?" The other question would be, "Why didn't you patent this and become a billionaire?" The answer to these questions is simple. I've made three really game changing disruptive discoveries/inventions at different times in my life and had my head handed to me each time. I'm so demoralized by these events, I just didn't want to go through it again. Because of that, I've stuck to businesses that don't really attract much attention and don't need large investment capital. What I'm saying is, I'm going to tell you what I did and what the results were with no expection of any kind. Of course, if those government officials want to mail me that $2 million dollar check, I won't turn it down. Fat chance of that happening. Materials and equipment: Tungsten wire treated with oxalic acid. Sulfamate nickel plating setup. Copper wire. Steel wool. 6mm ID 1mm wall borosilcate tubing. Hydrogen tank (regular welding supply hydrogen) High vacuum setup. High vacuum evaporation chamber. Oxygen-propane torch. Ordinary hardware store propane torch. Fine grade steel wool was first cleaned in an aqueous sodium hydroxide solution aprox. 150g/L. Then rinsed in distilled water and finally in acetone. Air dried with a heat gun and placed in the vacuum chamber. My vacuum chamber uses an unusually long (approx. 200mm) tungsten filament for my own purposes. This particular filament was treated with an oxalic acid solution and rinsed with distilled water to promote the adhesion of electroplated nickel. Concentrated hydrogen peroxide is normally used for this purpose, but I have found the oxalic acid works better for me. A regular sulfamate nickel setup was used to deposit a layer of nickel on the tungsten. After the electrodeposition was finished it was removed from the setup, rinsed with distilled water and air dried with a heat gun. The filament was next spiral wrapped with various amounts of copper wire which had been stripped from telephone cable. I thought of electrodeposition of the copper as well, but I wanted to observe the copper being evaporated before the nickel. The filament was installed in the evaporation chamber along with the steel wool. The steel wool was located horizontally from the filament at about 500mm. I realize that all of this is not "scientific" because I didn't weigh the nickel or the copper and increased the current at a rate determined by how the copper wire looked as it was evaporated before the nickel. The copper melting into the nickel just as the nickel began to evaporate was observed as the point to increase the filament current, all highly subjective. Obviously, the result will be a graduated layer deposited on the steel wool starting with nearly all copper and finishing with nearly all nickel. The large surface area of the steel wool and the likely thermal distortion of it will produce all sorts of thicknesses and orientations of the cupronickel alloy. The chamber was slowly brought up to atmospheric pressure and the steel wool inserted into a prepared borosilicate tube. The glass tube was about 300mm in length, sealed at one end in the manner of a test tube bottom. The coated steel wool occupied about 100mm at the sealed end of the tube. Heavy high vacuum grade rubber tubing was connected to the glass tube with attached tee, valves and gauges to allow for admission of the hydrogen. After allowing the vacuum pumps to create about 10^-6 torr. The sealed end of the tube was then heated with a propane torch to just below the softening point of the borosilicate. As an experienced, but not very good, glassblower it's easy to recognize this temperature from the color of the glass and the flame. Again, not very scientific. After allowing the glass tube to cool down, hydrogen was admitted to a pressure of between 1/2 and 3/4 atmospheric pressure. At a place about 100mm from the sealed end of the tube the flame from an oxygen-propane torch was applied until the tube collapsed and sealed off the steel wool with its cupronickel coating. The longer end of the tubing was pulled away and the newly formed seal was heated to round off the sharp point. I likely made around a hundred of these tubes in rather rapid succession. Most of them did nothing. But something like a third of them became warm or hot for long periods of time, weeks and months. One of them became "sparkly" for a few minutes. None of them became hot enough to boil water. I have little doubt that a setup similar to this, but with the ability to allow a higher hydrogen pressure would produce more heat. I gave up these experiments for both the above stated reason and because I had to pay much more attention to my
[Vo]:$2 million prize for simple/reproducible LENR experiment
At the DARP workshop Francesco Celani said that the Anthropocene Institute is offering a $2 million prize for a "simple/reproducible LENR experiment." I do see anything about this at https://www.iccf24.org/ There is one slide about it here: https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2021LENR_workshop_Page.pdf
