Re: [Vo]:A Language Upgrade Needed for LENR?
oops I meant How about LAFPHER Lattice Assisted Fleischmann Pons Heat Effect Reactor On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 7:07:32 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Language Upgrade Needed for LENR? Until everyone agrees on what cold fusion is, there is no point to inventing a new name for it. I think I'll go with LENT .. Low Energy Nuclear Transformation It's more pronouncable than LENNER and shorter (and less specific) than Cold Fusion Also because if you believe in it you have to give up all pleasures for 40 days// years ...
Re: [Vo]:A Language Upgrade Needed for LENR?
How about LAPFHER Lattice Assisted Pons Fleischmann Heat Effect Reactor On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I have a new post up where I explore the issue of the language used to describe LENR. I would be interested in the views of others here regarding this matter as I always find your opinions of interest and valuable. http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2013/06/03/language-upgrade-needed-lenr/ Best regards, Jack
Re: [Vo]:A Language Upgrade Needed for LENR?
Last year the same question was raisedhttp://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?454-Choosing-the-name-Cold-Fusion-LENR. My first longitudinal hair cutter opinion was to use LENR (beside being precise and popular, that term is easy to search in google). however after discussing with businessmen, they convince me that for my mum cold fusion was the best. I presented my position as such: Here is my position on the naming. Some people, like me initially wanted a precise, scientific, less connoted term like LENR. Today here is my position. Some corporate serial innovator said me that *Cold Fusion* is the best name. Today it is satanic because of mainstream denial, but soon people won’t care… but unlike LENR, CANR, LANR, HENI… it is not NUCLEAR … it is COLD, thus safe, not dangerous it is FUSION, so it is sexy, inclusive the only good name might be the Quantum Reactor… it is a bit geek … not for my mum. :mrgreen: For me like for many geek, quantum is sexy :shock: , and reactor is macho :shock: … but for mum, it is doubtful and dangerous black magic :twisted: … so really COLD FUSION is the best name… the brand is established, the 2 words have good connotation (safe, sexy, inclusive 8-) ), and bad reputation will disappear with a feeling of revenge on the men in power :twisted: … like raising the finger in front of the government. a safe sexy rebel reactor 8-) :twisted: … COOL! :mrgreen: 2013/6/3 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Until everyone agrees on what cold fusion is, there is no point to inventing a new name for it. It does not matter in any case, because the name is not the thing. Many words are technically inaccurate, obsolete or misleading. A solid-state disk (SSD) is not disk-shaped, and a round shape tells you nothing about the function of an SSD. A computer folder does not fold. Words such as folder and folder icons on the computer screen are skeuomorphs. When my daughter was around 10 she came to my office and saw a real manilla folder for the first time, and said, so *that's* what it shows on the computer screen. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A Language Upgrade Needed for LENR?
Good points Alain. I suppose it may all become a mute point as more positive results roll in, and if there is a running reactor that the public can visit. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: Last year the same question was raisedhttp://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?454-Choosing-the-name-Cold-Fusion-LENR. My first longitudinal hair cutter opinion was to use LENR (beside being precise and popular, that term is easy to search in google). however after discussing with businessmen, they convince me that for my mum cold fusion was the best. I presented my position as such: Here is my position on the naming. Some people, like me initially wanted a precise, scientific, less connoted term like LENR. Today here is my position. Some corporate serial innovator said me that *Cold Fusion* is the best name. Today it is satanic because of mainstream denial, but soon people won’t care… but unlike LENR, CANR, LANR, HENI… it is not NUCLEAR … it is COLD, thus safe, not dangerous it is FUSION, so it is sexy, inclusive the only good name might be the Quantum Reactor… it is a bit geek … not for my mum. :mrgreen: For me like for many geek, quantum is sexy :shock: , and reactor is macho :shock: … but for mum, it is doubtful and dangerous black magic :twisted: … so really COLD FUSION is the best name… the brand is established, the 2 words have good connotation (safe, sexy, inclusive 8-) ), and bad reputation will disappear with a feeling of revenge on the men in power :twisted: … like raising the finger in front of the government. a safe sexy rebel reactor 8-) :twisted: … COOL! :mrgreen: 2013/6/3 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Until everyone agrees on what cold fusion is, there is no point to inventing a new name for it. It does not matter in any case, because the name is not the thing. Many words are technically inaccurate, obsolete or misleading. A solid-state disk (SSD) is not disk-shaped, and a round shape tells you nothing about the function of an SSD. A computer folder does not fold. Words such as folder and folder icons on the computer screen are skeuomorphs. When my daughter was around 10 she came to my office and saw a real manilla folder for the first time, and said, so *that's* what it shows on the computer screen. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:A Language Upgrade Needed for LENR?
Neologisms-R-us. What is the take-away message from any designer name? First - it should point to the most attractive feature, and second it should be fairly unique. The underlying reaction is almost certainly Quantum Mechanical - as opposed to thermonuclear. The least we can do is put a Q into any new name, since this connotes both high tech and change (e.g. quantum shift). It is almost impossible to find anything truly unique these days. Quantum shows up positively in a lot of products or titles - including a James Bond movie, so the connotations are favorable. No one has a monopoly on it, whereas the name cold fusion is being usurped by a large software community. Reactor has a negative connotation. Therefore, it seems wise to put Quantum or Q into the nomenclature somewhere but possibly not reactor and probably not cold since the HotCat is the cat's pajamas and it ain't cold. QF for quantum fusion has a nice concise ring to it, so long as the fusion part is understood to be a conjoining of atoms and NOT thermonuclear fusion. However, it is likely that the boondoggle of thermonuclear fusion ITER and NOVA etc will eventually be looked at by future generations as the most gigantic waste of resources in human history, so we should probably not even put the f-word in there at all. What at about QCat for Quantum Catalysis? That would give too much credit to Rossi, in the event that his contribution turns out not to be the major breakthrough which pushed the technology over the top. But as of now, it does look like AR could be the man of the hour, so I'm thinking QCat works pending more complete testing protocol and more openness from AR. BTW the correct spelling of the folder, according to Outlook - is one l as in manila and the name comes from a type of hemp, according to Wiki . strange connections, all around... Hey, don't Bogart that name. Jed Rothwell wrote: Until everyone agrees on what cold fusion is, there is no point to inventing a new name for it. It does not matter in any case, because the name is not the thing. Many words are technically inaccurate, obsolete or misleading. A solid-state disk (SSD) is not disk-shaped, and a round shape tells you nothing about the function of an SSD. A computer folder does not fold. Words such as folder and folder icons on the computer screen are skeuomorphs. When my daughter was around 10 she came to my office and saw a real manilla folder for the first time, and said, so that's what it shows From: Jack Cole Good points Alain. I suppose it may all become a mute point as more positive results roll in, and if there is a running reactor that the public can visit. Alain Sepeda wrote: Some corporate serial innovator said me that Cold Fusion is the best name. Today it is satanic because of mainstream denial, but soon people won't care. but unlike LENR, CANR, LANR, HENI. it is not NUCLEAR http://www.lenr-forum.com/images/smilies/redface.png . it is COLD, thus safe, not dangerous http://www.lenr-forum.com/images/smilies/smile.png it is FUSION, so it is sexy, inclusive http://www.lenr-forum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.png the only good name might be the Quantum Reactor. it is a bit geek . not for my mum. :mrgreen: For me like for many geek, quantum is sexy :shock: , and reactor is macho :shock: . but for mum, it is doubtful and dangerous black magic :twisted: . so really COLD FUSION is the best name. the brand is established, the 2 words have good connotation (safe, sexy, inclusive 8-) ), and bad reputation will disappear with a feeling of revenge on the men in power :twisted: . like raising the finger in front of the government. a safe sexy rebel reactor http://www.lenr-forum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.png 8-) :twisted: . COOL! :mrgreen:
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Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that it doesn't matter to us who have looked into the research, but do you think it would make a difference with the broader population of scientists, general public, and the patent office? No, that is a forlorn hope. That is the reason people invent euphemisms. They want to escape some embarrassing or unfortunate association with the word. But as soon as the euphemism becomes widely used, the association attaches to it and you are back where you started. You have to invent another euphemism. That is why we have so many words for things like toilets, mental retardation, or crippled, and why the politically correct word for crippled keeps changing, sometimes to stupid terms such as differently abled. Another thing to remember is that no one is in charge of language. No one decides what words will become popular, and what words will fade away. In a narrow technical discipline a committee can decide what to call things such as units of measure (Watt, Joule, Tesla). But for something that will have an impact as large as cold fusion, no one is charge. Many widely used words linger on long after the literal meaning has become obsolete. We still talk of ships sailing. We still say roll the tape meaning show a video, even though nothing rolls and there is no tape. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A Language Upgrade Needed for LENR?
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Neologisms-R-us…* * What is the take-away message from any “designer name”? First - it should point to the most attractive feature, and second it should be fairly unique. Or maybe it should simply be kewl: http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-family.html
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even if commercially Cold fusion seems the best (brand is known, with good layman image assumed it works), the fact that it sahre the name with adobe technology, and with many other sentense like jaz fusion or cold drink is a problem for tech-watcher like me... LENR is not shared by any other concept... #lenr catch only cold fusion energy, and so on but is is absolutely geeky reason. 2013/6/3 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Neologisms-R-us…* * What is the take-away message from any “designer name”? First - it should point to the most attractive feature, and second it should be fairly unique. Or maybe it should simply be kewl: http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-family.html
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frigorific! Harry On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Good points Alain. I suppose it may all become a mute point as more positive results roll in, and if there is a running reactor that the public can visit. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: Last year the same question was raisedhttp://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?454-Choosing-the-name-Cold-Fusion-LENR. My first longitudinal hair cutter opinion was to use LENR (beside being precise and popular, that term is easy to search in google). however after discussing with businessmen, they convince me that for my mum cold fusion was the best. I presented my position as such: Here is my position on the naming. Some people, like me initially wanted a precise, scientific, less connoted term like LENR. Today here is my position. Some corporate serial innovator said me that *Cold Fusion* is the best name. Today it is satanic because of mainstream denial, but soon people won’t care… but unlike LENR, CANR, LANR, HENI… it is not NUCLEAR … it is COLD, thus safe, not dangerous it is FUSION, so it is sexy, inclusive the only good name might be the Quantum Reactor… it is a bit geek … not for my mum. :mrgreen: For me like for many geek, quantum is sexy :shock: , and reactor is macho :shock: … but for mum, it is doubtful and dangerous black magic :twisted: … so really COLD FUSION is the best name… the brand is established, the 2 words have good connotation (safe, sexy, inclusive 8-) ), and bad reputation will disappear with a feeling of revenge on the men in power :twisted: … like raising the finger in front of the government. a safe sexy rebel reactor 8-) :twisted: … COOL! :mrgreen: 2013/6/3 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Until everyone agrees on what cold fusion is, there is no point to inventing a new name for it. It does not matter in any case, because the name is not the thing. Many words are technically inaccurate, obsolete or misleading. A solid-state disk (SSD) is not disk-shaped, and a round shape tells you nothing about the function of an SSD. A computer folder does not fold. Words such as folder and folder icons on the computer screen are skeuomorphs. When my daughter was around 10 she came to my office and saw a real manilla folder for the first time, and said, so *that's* what it shows on the computer screen. - Jed
[Vo]:A Language Upgrade Needed for LENR?
Hi All, I have a new post up where I explore the issue of the language used to describe LENR. I would be interested in the views of others here regarding this matter as I always find your opinions of interest and valuable. http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2013/06/03/language-upgrade-needed-lenr/ Best regards, Jack
Re: [Vo]:A Language Upgrade Needed for LENR?
Until everyone agrees on what cold fusion is, there is no point to inventing a new name for it. It does not matter in any case, because the name is not the thing. Many words are technically inaccurate, obsolete or misleading. A solid-state disk (SSD) is not disk-shaped, and a round shape tells you nothing about the function of an SSD. A computer folder does not fold. Words such as folder and folder icons on the computer screen are skeuomorphs. When my daughter was around 10 she came to my office and saw a real manilla folder for the first time, and said, so *that's* what it shows on the computer screen. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A Language Upgrade Needed for LENR?
Hi Jed, I agree that it doesn't matter to us who have looked into the research, but do you think it would make a difference with the broader population of scientists, general public, and the patent office? Jack On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Until everyone agrees on what cold fusion is, there is no point to inventing a new name for it. It does not matter in any case, because the name is not the thing. Many words are technically inaccurate, obsolete or misleading. A solid-state disk (SSD) is not disk-shaped, and a round shape tells you nothing about the function of an SSD. A computer folder does not fold. Words such as folder and folder icons on the computer screen are skeuomorphs. When my daughter was around 10 she came to my office and saw a real manilla folder for the first time, and said, so *that's* what it shows on the computer screen. - Jed
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Jed sez: Until everyone agrees on what cold fusion is, there is no point to inventing a new name for it. As well as to denigrate what is essentially a placeholder word. Unfortunately, countless attempts to suggest this to Mr. Krivit have failed. In the meantime, see Lomax's latest critique of NET's latest installment. Just posted, Sunday evening. See Yahoo NewVortex. Unfortunately, my attempt to post the actual link appear to be targeted as SPAM. As is Mr. Lomax's style, his latest installment is lengthy and very detailed. Bon appetit! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
Re: [Vo]:A Language Upgrade Needed for LENR?
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 7:07:32 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Language Upgrade Needed for LENR? Until everyone agrees on what cold fusion is, there is no point to inventing a new name for it. I think I'll go with LENT .. Low Energy Nuclear Transformation It's more pronouncable than LENNER and shorter (and less specific) than Cold Fusion Also because if you believe in it you have to give up all pleasures for 40 days// years ...
