Re: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Alan Fletcher]

From: "Jack Cole"  
To: "vortex-l"  
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 4:58:27 PM 
Subject: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of 
a high magnetic field 

Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field 


http://flip.it/bkDC21 

Sloppy writing/reporting. Electrons with no EFFECTIVE mass (which can be 
NEGATIVE!) .. can acquire an EFFECTIVE mass in the presence of a high magnetic 
field. 

Since the "environment" (band structure etc etc) determines the "effective 
mass" it's no surprise that a change in the environment will change the 
effective mass. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_mass_(solid-state_physics) 

RE: RE: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Bob Higgins]

BTW, positronium has mass but Hotson's epo's do not.

Jones Beene  wrote:BTW – for all of Don Hotson’s fans on 
vortex, and there are many…
 
The epo or BEC is based on Dirac’s equation and theories – as is all of 
Hotson’s “interpretation of Dirac” and this field consists entirely of massless 
electrons and massless positrons. Wow, think of how well this fits into the 
recent revelations.
 
It makes a lot of sense to suggest that the Weyl fermion is indeed an outlier 
of the same species, but since the BEC (aether) is found primarily in another 
dimension, it is rare to find either epo constituent in 3-Space…
 
From: Jones Beene
 
This thread on Weyl fermions, so-called “massless electrons” seems to be 
gathering a bit of traction on the internet. The WF particle or quasi-particle, 
which is essentially a quantum of negative charge (somewhat reminiscent of Ken 
Shoulder’s EVO) ostensibly could be captured by protons to neutralize their 
positive charge (forming ultradense hydrogen, at least temporarily).
 
This possibility causes one to imagine novel ways to test or implement this 
hypothesis - in an actual LENR experiment. Here is one which could be 
interesting.
 
There are many YT videos demonstrating the Meissner effect, which is usually 
explained as the expulsion of magnetic flux by a superconductor in a magnetic 
field. If a magnetic field is applied after the material has become 
superconducting, the flux cannot penetrate (unless flux tubes are provided).
 
This would be explained differently if we focus on WF, the Weyl fermion. In 
fact the subject heading of this thread – explains it in a different way. This 
would indicate that the repulsion effect becomes (at least partly) a Coulomb’s 
Law effect - instead of inductive. Probably it is a bit of both.
 
In fact, if we arrange a LENR experiment so that a strong permanent magnet is 
laminated to a thin HTSC disc – the kind which is engineered to have flux 
tubes, then it is possible that we can in fact create a beam of WF - on cooling 
the conjoined discs. More details to follow.
 
Imagine that possibility – an invisible beam of WF, coming from a very cold 
superconductive device (grounded of course) which is creating heat via 
proximity to a deuterium-loaded matrix of palladium metal… wow… we might have 
to pay tribute to Gene and label this phenomenon as “fire from ice” or else… 
“WTF” ?
 
Too bad that Holmlid has already label the phenomenon of hydrogen activation as 
ultra-dense Rydberg hydrogen, and Widom-Larsen has labeled it as 
ultra-low-momentum neutrons, and Mills labeled it as hydrinos … all of these 
are close, but not quite there.
 
>> Massless electrons ? Actually we should call them Weyl Fermions (WF) since 
>> by definition, the electron has mass and we do not want to ruffle too many 
>> feathers. And a quick googling indicates high probability that WF have been 
>> verified by several groups.

ØAre your massless electrons related to this?

http://rexresearch.com/barbat/barbat.htm

Dunno. This is all new to me. Looks like Wm. Barbat is jumping on board with 
the idea, and why not? Maybe there is something big brewing up there in Oregon. 
OTOH, they did recently legalize recreational ganga… J

An interesting detail is the implication that CuO could be a Weyl semimetal. As 
we know, CuO is the backbone of high temperature superconductors, but it 
probably requires more to become a robust WF, such as we see in BISCO.

It would be most intriguing if HTSC can be linked to the new fermion. For a 
long time there has been strong hints of a connection between LENR and HTSC.

RE: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Jones Beene]

BTW – for all of Don Hotson’s fans on vortex, and there are many…

 

The epo or BEC is based on Dirac’s equation and theories – as is all of 
Hotson’s “interpretation of Dirac” and this field consists entirely of massless 
electrons and massless positrons. Wow, think of how well this fits into the 
recent revelations.

 

It makes a lot of sense to suggest that the Weyl fermion is indeed an outlier 
of the same species, but since the BEC (aether) is found primarily in another 
dimension, it is rare to find either epo constituent in 3-Space…

 

From: Jones Beene 

 

This thread on Weyl fermions, so-called “massless electrons” seems to be 
gathering a bit of traction on the internet. The WF particle or quasi-particle, 
which is essentially a quantum of negative charge (somewhat reminiscent of Ken 
Shoulder’s EVO) ostensibly could be captured by protons to neutralize their 
positive charge (forming ultradense hydrogen, at least temporarily). 

 

This possibility causes one to imagine novel ways to test or implement this 
hypothesis - in an actual LENR experiment. Here is one which could be 
interesting. 

 

There are many YT videos demonstrating the Meissner effect, which is usually 
explained as the expulsion of magnetic flux by a superconductor in a magnetic 
field. If a magnetic field is applied after the material has become 
superconducting, the flux cannot penetrate (unless flux tubes are provided). 

 

This would be explained differently if we focus on WF, the Weyl fermion. In 
fact the subject heading of this thread – explains it in a different way. This 
would indicate that the repulsion effect becomes (at least partly) a Coulomb’s 
Law effect - instead of inductive. Probably it is a bit of both.

 

In fact, if we arrange a LENR experiment so that a strong permanent magnet is 
laminated to a thin HTSC disc – the kind which is engineered to have flux 
tubes, then it is possible that we can in fact create a beam of WF - on cooling 
the conjoined discs. More details to follow. 

 

Imagine that possibility – an invisible beam of WF, coming from a very cold 
superconductive device (grounded of course) which is creating heat via 
proximity to a deuterium-loaded matrix of palladium metal… wow… we might have 
to pay tribute to Gene and label this phenomenon as “fire from ice” or else… 
“WTF” ?

 

Too bad that Holmlid has already label the phenomenon of hydrogen activation as 
ultra-dense Rydberg hydrogen, and Widom-Larsen has labeled it as 
ultra-low-momentum neutrons, and Mills labeled it as hydrinos … all of these 
are close, but not quite there. 

 

>> Massless electrons ? Actually we should call them Weyl Fermions (WF) since 
>> by definition, the electron has mass and we do not want to ruffle too many 
>> feathers. And a quick googling indicates high probability that WF have been 
>> verified by several groups.

ØAre your massless electrons related to this?

  
http://rexresearch.com/barbat/barbat.htm

Dunno. This is all new to me. Looks like Wm. Barbat is jumping on board with 
the idea, and why not? Maybe there is something big brewing up there in Oregon. 
OTOH, they did recently legalize recreational ganga… J

An interesting detail is the implication that CuO could be a Weyl semimetal. As 
we know, CuO is the backbone of high temperature superconductors, but it 
probably requires more to become a robust WF, such as we see in BISCO.

It would be most intriguing if HTSC can be linked to the new fermion. For a 
long time there has been strong hints of a connection between LENR and HTSC.

RE: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Jones Beene]

This thread on Weyl fermions, so-called “massless electrons” seems to be 
gathering a bit of traction on the internet. The WF particle or quasi-particle, 
which is essentially a quantum of negative charge (somewhat reminiscent of Ken 
Shoulder’s EVO) ostensibly could be captured by protons to neutralize their 
positive charge (forming ultradense hydrogen, at least temporarily). 

 

This possibility causes one to imagine novel ways to test or implement this 
hypothesis - in an actual LENR experiment. Here is one which could be 
interesting. 

 

There are many YT videos demonstrating the Meissner effect, which is usually 
explained as the expulsion of magnetic flux by a superconductor in a magnetic 
field. If a magnetic field is applied after the material has become 
superconducting, the flux cannot penetrate (unless flux tubes are provided). 

 

This would be explained differently if we focus on WF, the Weyl fermion. In 
fact the subject heading of this thread – explains it in a different way. This 
would indicate that the repulsion effect becomes (at least partly) a Coulomb’s 
Law effect - instead of inductive. Probably it is a bit of both.

 

In fact, if we arrange a LENR experiment so that a strong permanent magnet is 
laminated to a thin HTSC disc – the kind which is engineered to have flux 
tubes, then it is possible that we can in fact create a beam of WF - on cooling 
the conjoined discs. More details to follow. 

 

Imagine that possibility – an invisible beam of WF, coming from a very cold 
superconductive device (grounded of course) which is creating heat via 
proximity to a deuterium-loaded matrix of palladium metal… wow… we might have 
to pay tribute to Gene and label this phenomenon as “fire from ice” or else… 
“WTF” ?

 

Too bad that Holmlid has already label the phenomenon of hydrogen activation as 
ultra-dense Rydberg hydrogen, and Widom-Larsen has labeled it as 
ultra-low-momentum neutrons, and Mills labeled it as hydrinos … all of these 
are close, but not quite there. 

 

>> Massless electrons ? Actually we should call them Weyl Fermions (WF) since 
>> by definition, the electron has mass and we do not want to ruffle too many 
>> feathers. And a quick googling indicates high probability that WF have been 
>> verified by several groups.

ØAre your massless electrons related to this?

  
http://rexresearch.com/barbat/barbat.htm

Dunno. This is all new to me. Looks like Wm. Barbat is jumping on board with 
the idea, and why not? Maybe there is something big brewing up there in Oregon. 
OTOH, they did recently legalize recreational ganga… J

An interesting detail is the implication that CuO could be a Weyl semimetal. As 
we know, CuO is the backbone of high temperature superconductors, but it 
probably requires more to become a robust WF, such as we see in BISCO.

It would be most intriguing if HTSC can be linked to the new fermion. For a 
long time there has been strong hints of a connection between LENR and HTSC.

RE: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Jones Beene]

From: Chris Zell 

>> Massless electrons ? Actually we should call them Weyl Fermions (WF) since 
>> by definition, the electron has mass and we do not want to ruffle too many 
>> feathers. And a quick googling indicates high probability that WF have been 
>> verified by several groups.

*   Are your massless electrons related to this?

http://rexresearch.com/barbat/barbat.htm


Dunno. This is all new to me. Looks like Wm. Barbat is jumping on board with 
the idea, and why not? Maybe there is something big brewing up there in Oregon. 
OTOH, they did recently legalize recreational ganga… :-)

An interesting detail is the implication that CuO could be a Weyl semimetal. As 
we know, CuO is the backbone of high temperature superconductors, but it 
probably requires more to become a robust WF, such as we see in BISCO.

It would be most intriguing if HTSC can be linked to the new fermion. For a 
long time there has been strong hints of a connection between LENR and HTSC.

RE: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Chris Zell]

Massless electrons ? Actually we should call them Weyl Fermions (WF) since by 
definition, the electron has mass and we do not want to ruffle too many 
feathers. And a quick googling indicates high probability that WF have been 
verified by several groups.

Are your massless electrons related to this?

http://rexresearch.com/barbat/barbat.htm

RE: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Jones Beene]

In a quick search to see if there are known candidates for Weyl semimetals 
which also are known to be contaminants of palladium in small quantities, one 
candidate has turned up - Pr2Ir2O7. In fact iridium is commonly found with 
palladium ore. Praseodymium is a rare earth element that also has a history in 
past research….

 

BTW – finding a rare dopant or contaminant which greatly catalyzes LENR would 
answer many open questions…

 

 

“Electrons with no mass”… wow… imagine the possibilities.

 

Massless electrons ? Actually we should call them Weyl Fermions (WF) since by 
definition, the electron has mass and we do not want to ruffle too many 
feathers. And a quick googling indicates high probability that WF have been 
verified by several groups.

 

Closer to home, the first possibility (opportunity) which comes to mind in the 
context of LENR is ultra-dense hydrogen. Since the WF has almost no mass, the 
particle could potentially orbit or attach to a proton at very close range, no? 

 

Hmm… maybe what Holmid and others claim to see as UDH in not what they thought, 
but instead is a neutral particle consisting of a proton and a WF with an 
diameter of a few fermi… (electrons do not feel the strong force).

 

This implies that the active material for LENR could contain – and it would be 
inadvertent – a small amount of Weyl semimetal as a contaminant … and there are 
probably will be many of them found once we start looking. 

 

RE: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Jones Beene]

“Electrons with no mass”… wow… imagine the possibilities.

 

Massless electrons ? Actually we should call them Weyl Fermions (WF) since by 
definition, the electron has mass and we do not want to ruffle too many 
feathers. And a quick googling indicates high probability that WF have been 
verified by several groups.

 

Closer to home, the first possibility (opportunity) which comes to mind in the 
context of LENR is ultra-dense hydrogen. Since the WF has almost no mass, the 
particle could potentially orbit or attach to a proton at very close range, no? 

 

Hmm… maybe what Holmid and others claim to see as UDH in not what they thought, 
but instead is a neutral particle consisting of a proton and a WF with an 
diameter of a few fermi… (electrons do not feel the strong force).

 

This implies that the active material for LENR could contain – and it would be 
inadvertent – a small amount of Weyl semimetal as a contaminant … and there are 
probably will be many of them found once we start looking. 

 

Re: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Axil Axil]

http://libtreasures.utdallas.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10735.1/4175/NSM-FR-FZhang-271294.23.pdf?sequence=1

Dirac and Weyl Superconductors in Three Dimensions

It looks like both  Dirac and Weyl semimetals are superconductors. Magnetic
field will affect them with respect of their quasiparticles.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1412.6543.pdf
>
> The chiral magnetic effect is the generation of electric current induced
> by chirality imbalance in the presence of magnetic field. It is a
> macroscopic manifestation of the quantum anomaly1,2 in relativistic field
> theory of chiral fermions (massless spin 1/2 particles with a definite
> projection of spin on momentum) – a dramatic phenomenon arising from a
> collective motion of particles and antiparticles in the Dirac sea. The
> recent discovery3–5 of Dirac semimetals with chiral quasi-particles opens a
> fascinating possibility to study this phenomenon in condensed matter
> experiments. Here we report on the first observation of chiral magnetic
> effect through the measurement of magneto-transport in* zirconium
> pentatelluride, ZrTe5*. Our angle-resolved photoemission spectroscopy
> experiments show that this material’s electronic structure is consistent
> with a 3D Dirac semimetal. We observe a large negative magnetoresistance
> when magnetic field is parallel with the current. The measured quadratic
> field dependence of the magnetoconductance is a clear indication of the
> chiral magnetic effect. The observed phenomenon stems from the effective
> transmutation of *Dirac semimetal into a Weyl semimetal* induced by the
> parallel electric and magnetic fields that represent a topologically
> nontrivial gauge field background.
>
> I had it backward, the magnetic field produces Weyl quasiparticles,
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, John Berry 
> wrote:
>
>> "zirconium pentatelluride,ZrTe5, that provides strong evidence for the
>> chiral magnetic effect:.
>>
>> My research is all based on chirality of coils that produce fundamentally
>> different "currents".
>>
>> This is no doubt closely related to my work!
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:23 PM, John Berry 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "This is because in ZrTe5 the electrons responsible for the current
>>> have no mass."
>>>
>>> That itself sounds like a dramatic claim, electrons with no mass?
>>>
>>> I am able to produce a current of something that I believe is like an
>>> electron albeit not propperly physical, and I believe it gains something by
>>> moving through magnetic fields.
>>>
>>> I think I might be moving something akin to a virtual electron, albeit
>>> one that does not have the correct quanta to manifest physically to regular
>>> meters, but can be readily detected by a significant percentage of the
>>> population including in conditions outside of any possible
>>> conventional explanation like the Placebo effect.
>>>
>>> But there is another current in the reverse direction that is denser and
>>> appears to be more like a proton.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>>
 Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high
 magnetic field

 http://flip.it/bkDC21

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Axil Axil]

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1412.6543.pdf

The chiral magnetic effect is the generation of electric current induced by
chirality imbalance in the presence of magnetic field. It is a macroscopic
manifestation of the quantum anomaly1,2 in relativistic field theory of
chiral fermions (massless spin 1/2 particles with a definite projection of
spin on momentum) – a dramatic phenomenon arising from a collective motion
of particles and antiparticles in the Dirac sea. The recent discovery3–5 of
Dirac semimetals with chiral quasi-particles opens a fascinating
possibility to study this phenomenon in condensed matter experiments. Here
we report on the first observation of chiral magnetic effect through the
measurement of magneto-transport in* zirconium pentatelluride, ZrTe5*. Our
angle-resolved photoemission spectroscopy experiments show that this
material’s electronic structure is consistent with a 3D Dirac semimetal. We
observe a large negative magnetoresistance when magnetic field is parallel
with the current. The measured quadratic field dependence of the
magnetoconductance is a clear indication of the chiral magnetic effect. The
observed phenomenon stems from the effective transmutation of *Dirac
semimetal into a Weyl semimetal* induced by the parallel electric and
magnetic fields that represent a topologically nontrivial gauge field
background.

I had it backward, the magnetic field produces Weyl quasiparticles,

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, John Berry  wrote:

> "zirconium pentatelluride,ZrTe5, that provides strong evidence for the
> chiral magnetic effect:.
>
> My research is all based on chirality of coils that produce fundamentally
> different "currents".
>
> This is no doubt closely related to my work!
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:23 PM, John Berry 
> wrote:
>
>> "This is because in ZrTe5 the electrons responsible for the current have
>> no mass."
>>
>> That itself sounds like a dramatic claim, electrons with no mass?
>>
>> I am able to produce a current of something that I believe is like an
>> electron albeit not propperly physical, and I believe it gains something by
>> moving through magnetic fields.
>>
>> I think I might be moving something akin to a virtual electron, albeit
>> one that does not have the correct quanta to manifest physically to regular
>> meters, but can be readily detected by a significant percentage of the
>> population including in conditions outside of any possible
>> conventional explanation like the Placebo effect.
>>
>> But there is another current in the reverse direction that is denser and
>> appears to be more like a proton.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic
>>> field
>>>
>>> http://flip.it/bkDC21
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[John Berry]

"zirconium pentatelluride,ZrTe5, that provides strong evidence for the
chiral magnetic effect:.

My research is all based on chirality of coils that produce fundamentally
different "currents".

This is no doubt closely related to my work!

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:23 PM, John Berry  wrote:

> "This is because in ZrTe5 the electrons responsible for the current have
> no mass."
>
> That itself sounds like a dramatic claim, electrons with no mass?
>
> I am able to produce a current of something that I believe is like an
> electron albeit not propperly physical, and I believe it gains something by
> moving through magnetic fields.
>
> I think I might be moving something akin to a virtual electron, albeit one
> that does not have the correct quanta to manifest physically to regular
> meters, but can be readily detected by a significant percentage of the
> population including in conditions outside of any possible
> conventional explanation like the Placebo effect.
>
> But there is another current in the reverse direction that is denser and
> appears to be more like a proton.
>
> John
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>> Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic
>> field
>>
>> http://flip.it/bkDC21
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Axil Axil]

http://phys.org/news/2016-03-cool-pressure-superconductivity-3d-dirac.html

Cool under pressure: Superconductivity in 3D Dirac semimetal zirconium
pentatelluride ZrTe5

The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weyl_semimetal

The *Weyl quasiparticle is a light speed particle found in *Weyl_semimetal.

ZrTe5 is a Weyl_semimetal.

The magnetic field disrupts this superconductive state whereby the
electrons loss their *Weyl quasiparticle characteristics.*



On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic
> field
>
> http://flip.it/bkDC21
>

Re: [Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[John Berry]

"This is because in ZrTe5 the electrons responsible for the current have no
mass."

That itself sounds like a dramatic claim, electrons with no mass?

I am able to produce a current of something that I believe is like an
electron albeit not propperly physical, and I believe it gains something by
moving through magnetic fields.

I think I might be moving something akin to a virtual electron, albeit one
that does not have the correct quanta to manifest physically to regular
meters, but can be readily detected by a significant percentage of the
population including in conditions outside of any possible
conventional explanation like the Placebo effect.

But there is another current in the reverse direction that is denser and
appears to be more like a proton.

John

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic
> field
>
> http://flip.it/bkDC21
>

[Vo]:Article: Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic field

[Jack Cole]

Electrons with no mass acquire a mass in the presence of a high magnetic
field

http://flip.it/bkDC21