[Vo]:Census Community Survay..what is the remedy if I fail to produce?
The US Dept. of Commerce Census of the American Community Survey demands: When was your house built How many acres does it set on How may automobiles do you have What fuel do you use What was you electric bill What is you heat bill What is you race How well do you speak English What year did you get married Is the grandparent watching the kids. Are you looking for a job Have you give birth within the last 12 months Who did you work Do you get VA assistance or unemployment compensation What was your sewage bill Is anyone getting food stamps Do you have a mortgage DO you have a home equity loan Have you attended school What are you degrees Do you have health coverage Are you hared of hearing Do you have an emotional condition Did you work last week Who did you work for Were you in the armed services What is you earned and interest income What is you marital status. I have never committed a crime in my life. It says I have to answer all of these questions by law. If I do not answer this will be my first crime of violation of the law. If take my amendment rights of Unreasonable search and Seizure. What will be my fine and jail time? Frank Znidarsic
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On 02/20/2010 07:56 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: I have never committed a crime in my life. It says I have to answer all of these questions by law. If I do not answer this will be my first crime of violation of the law. If take my amendment rights of Unreasonable search and Seizure. What will be my fine and jail time? First, I'm pretty sure that it's a misdemeanor at worst, and there isn't any jail time, there probably isn't any fine, and you won't get a criminal record as a result of failing to respond to the census. Second, speaking from experience, what they *actually* do if you fail to respond is follow up with another letter or phone call, and if you stubbornly ignore them, AND if enough other people stubbornly ignore them so that they can't get decent figures for your area, they *MIGHT* send someone to your house to ask you, up close and personal, who you are, and all those other questions you didn't want to answer. They don't want to punish you; they just want you to answer their questions. But, really, they probably won't actually do anything. So, don't lose any sleep over it. On the other hand, responding to the census is probably a public good which you really ought to do. You also may benefit your community, your particular ethnic group, your political party, etc, by responding, and letting the Government know you're a member of those entities. Strength in numbers is very important in a democracy. Filling out the census form is, quite literally, another way of voting: You are voting on the importance of every group of which you tell them you're a member. One reason local communities get all excited about getting people to respond to the census is that their share of federal funds under various acts depends on their population, and that's determined by the outcome of the census. Two other very important things which are determined by the census are the number of state representatives for each community, and the number of congressional representatives from each state.
Re: [Vo]:Census Community Survay..what is the remedy if I fail to produce?
--- On Sat, 2/20/10, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Census Community Survay..what is the remedy if I fail to produce? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com First, I'm pretty sure that it's a misdemeanor at worst, and there isn't any jail time, there probably isn't any fine, and you won't get a criminal record as a result of failing to respond to the census. Theoretically, $100 fine for refusing to respond, $500 for lying knowingly. No jail time, unless you try to skew the results knowingly for nefarious purposes. But I doubt that's ever been prosecuted either, or else most of the American government would probably have spent time behind bars, no matter which end of the political spectrum they came from. There are some good questions on the Census, which are important to answer for representative appointment, allocation of resources, etc. You should answer these, in my opinion. But, that said, some of the questions they ask are just wrong. One I'd have fun with is the question, what race are you. When I took it, they didn't have a listing for Injun so I had to choose native american or white. Technically I could go either way. I don't remember which one I put down (been a few years), but I know I determined it scientifically by way of throwing a coin into the air. If asked now, I'd ask why our postracial president wants to know. Maybe give the census taker the evil eye and ask, Are you a /racist/? That always scares people. I did get the census taker laughing when asked if I worked. I said yes, I do my patriotic duty and work hard to help pay for millions on welfare. When asked if I was on food stamps, I said no, I pay for my my luxury foods (when I can afford them) with my own earned cash. I don't steal from the taxpayer to buy beer with an EBT card. Yes, you can get away with that in NY. Above all, my advice on this is, don't sweat it. Maybe have a little fun, in the spirit of the great George Carlin with these people. And if you're polite about it, and make it clear that you are NOT angry or being disrespectful to the census taker, you might just get a hearty laugh out of them. --Kyle
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its information that is being collected generically, not about you personally. therefore doesnt fall under search and seizure, as you aren't being searched, and nothing is being seized. Im normally the first to scream about big brother, but since they dont tie the data to a person, why sweat it? On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:56 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: The US Dept. of Commerce Census of the American Community Survey demands: When was your house built How many acres does it set on How may automobiles do you have What fuel do you use What was you electric bill What is you heat bill What is you race How well do you speak English What year did you get married Is the grandparent watching the kids. Are you looking for a job Have you give birth within the last 12 months Who did you work Do you get VA assistance or unemployment compensation What was your sewage bill Is anyone getting food stamps Do you have a mortgage DO you have a home equity loan Have you attended school What are you degrees Do you have health coverage Are you hared of hearing Do you have an emotional condition Did you work last week Who did you work for Were you in the armed services What is you earned and interest income What is you marital status. I have never committed a crime in my life. It says I have to answer all of these questions by law. If I do not answer this will be my first crime of violation of the law. If take my amendment rights of Unreasonable search and Seizure. What will be my fine and jail time? Frank Znidarsic
