subject:"\[Vo\]\:Keef Versus Greg Watson"

Keef - my advice to you - is to get your act together on your real
adversary. It is GOW and not LENR. LENR is essentially correct, as science.
Yes, it rests on the vagaries of QM, but it may carry QM to the altar and
not the other way around. Check out the LENR/CANR site, because you lose
most of your allies if you try to go too far with this. 


Guys, go ahead and believe in LENR, it's not a total impossibility.
But PLEASE don't give encouragement to wicked scammers like Watson,  Rossi and 
Phucking Hippy Sol Millin.
They are Socio-paths who simply laugh at the wrecked lives they leave in their 
wake.

Here is Greggy trying to build up the pitch for his unfortunate investors

 Greg W
January 14th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
Dear Mr. Rossi,

I would appreciate answers to the following questions and grant that any answer 
is given on a “best efforts” basis under your experience/knowledge-base of the 
present moment and not in any way a commitment to product performance in the 
future:

1) If an entity could buy as many 1 MW plants as necessary and if that same 
entity could connect a single 1 MW Organic Rankine Cycle electricity generator 
[18.5% efficiency and 100% up-time] to those 1 MW plants, knowing what you now 
know about the efficiency and up-time of present e-cats, how many of your 1 MW 
units would be necessary to create a system that, after initial start-up, could 
run 6 months without any external electrical input [nothing outside of the 
single 1 MW ORC unit], such that the system would produce 1 MW of power during 
each moment of the entire 6 months?

2) Taking the number of 1 MW plants that you say would be necessary for the 
system of question 1, what would be the minimum KWh of electricity realiably 
available [98% up-time] to applications outside the system [that is, outside 
the electrical requirements to periodically excite/energize the various 1 MW 
E-Cat units that compose the heat-source part of the system] during each moment 
of that 6 months?

Best wishes,

Greg W.

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson


On 21/01/2012 10:11 PM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:

Keef - my advice to you - is to get your act together on your real
adversary. It is GOW and not LENR. LENR is essentially correct, as science.
Yes, it rests on the vagaries of QM, but it may carry QM to the altar and
not the other way around. Check out the LENR/CANR site, because you lose
most of your allies if you try to go too far with this.

Guys, go ahead and believe in LENR, it's not a total impossibility.
But PLEASE don't give encouragement to wicked scammers like Watson,
Rossi and Phucking Hippy Sol Millin.
They are Socio-paths who simply laugh at the wrecked lives they leave in
their wake.

Here is Greggy trying to build up the pitch for his unfortunate investors

Greg W
January 14th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
Dear Mr. Rossi,

I would appreciate answers to the following questions and grant that any
answer is given on a “best efforts” basis under your
experience/knowledge-base of the present moment and not in any way a
commitment to product performance in the future:

1) If an entity could buy as many 1 MW plants as necessary and if that
same entity could connect a single 1 MW Organic Rankine Cycle
electricity generator [18.5% efficiency and 100% up-time] to those 1 MW
plants, knowing what you now know about the efficiency and up-time of
present e-cats, how many of your 1 MW units would be necessary to create
a system that, after initial start-up, could run 6 months without any
external electrical input [nothing outside of the single 1 MW ORC unit],
such that the system would produce 1 MW of power during each moment of
the entire 6 months?

2) Taking the number of 1 MW plants that you say would be necessary for
the system of question 1, what would be the minimum KWh of electricity
realiably available [98% up-time] to applications outside the system
[that is, outside the electrical requirements to periodically
excite/energize the various 1 MW E-Cat units that compose the
heat-source part of the system] during each moment of that 6 months?

Best wishes,

Greg W.


You got a link for that statement? I would like to read it in full. Is 
there a email address for Greg W as otherwise anybody could have created 
and posted that statement?


Good to see we agree that Ian Bryce and Dick Smith have busted wide 
apart how this scam works.


Come to the LENR device supplier's and licensee's frying pan, all you 
green little fish with fat bank accounts that are aching to save the 
planet. We will help you get rid of the money that is bursting to get 
free of your bank account.


Scam, Scam, Scam. Save the planet my ass.

Shaun

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

http://rossilivecat.com/all.html 

Grab it quick before they take it down.
(I've saved it)
No PROOF that it is Greg Watson
but by the timing and all I am fairly confident.
It sure SOUNDS like him, and what he is tryn gto do is put together a proposal 
for his investors that they put in the money to buy a shirtload of Ecats to run 
a green power station
What crap!




 From: Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson
 
On 21/01/2012 10:11 PM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:
 Keef - my advice to you - is to get your act together on your real
 adversary. It is GOW and not LENR. LENR is essentially correct, as science.
 Yes, it rests on the vagaries of QM, but it may carry QM to the altar and
 not the other way around. Check out the LENR/CANR site, because you lose
 most of your allies if you try to go too far with this.

 Guys, go ahead and believe in LENR, it's not a total impossibility.
 But PLEASE don't give encouragement to wicked scammers like Watson,
 Rossi and Phucking Hippy Sol Millin.
 They are Socio-paths who simply laugh at the wrecked lives they leave in
 their wake.

 Here is Greggy trying to build up the pitch for his unfortunate investors

 Greg W
 January 14th, 2012 at 12:19 PM
 Dear Mr. Rossi,

 I would appreciate answers to the following questions and grant that any
 answer is given on a “best efforts” basis under your
 experience/knowledge-base of the present moment and not in any way a
 commitment to product performance in the future:

 1) If an entity could buy as many 1 MW plants as necessary and if that
 same entity could connect a single 1 MW Organic Rankine Cycle
 electricity generator [18.5% efficiency and 100% up-time] to those 1 MW
 plants, knowing what you now know about the efficiency and up-time of
 present e-cats, how many of your 1 MW units would be necessary to create
 a system that, after initial start-up, could run 6 months without any
 external electrical input [nothing outside of the single 1 MW ORC unit],
 such that the system would produce 1 MW of power during each moment of
 the entire 6 months?

 2) Taking the number of 1 MW plants that you say would be necessary for
 the system of question 1, what would be the minimum KWh of electricity
 realiably available [98% up-time] to applications outside the system
 [that is, outside the electrical requirements to periodically
 excite/energize the various 1 MW E-Cat units that compose the
 heat-source part of the system] during each moment of that 6 months?

 Best wishes,

 Greg W.

You got a link for that statement? I would like to read it in full. Is 
there a email address for Greg W as otherwise anybody could have created 
and posted that statement?

Good to see we agree that Ian Bryce and Dick Smith have busted wide 
apart how this scam works.

Come to the LENR device supplier's and licensee's frying pan, all you 
green little fish with fat bank accounts that are aching to save the 
planet. We will help you get rid of the money that is bursting to get 
free of your bank account.

Scam, Scam, Scam. Save the planet my ass.

Shaun

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson


On 21/01/2012 11:12 PM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:

http://rossilivecat.com/all.html
Grab it quick before they take it down.
(I've saved it)
No PROOF that it is Greg Watson
but by the timing and all I am fairly confident.
It sure SOUNDS like him, and what he is tryn gto do is put together a
proposal for his investors that they put in the money to buy a shirtload
of Ecats to run a green power station
What crap!


Keefer,

That is a big list mate. Got a direct link to that statement?

I'm no expert but with a 18.5% efficiency (185 kW of electricity output, 
165 kW feed back into the plant, 20 kW available outside the plant), he 
would need 50 x 1 MW plants at a cost of $100m, plus the cost of the 50 
Rankine cycle based turbines and generators, to create 1 MW externally 
available electrical output. Totally BS deal.


I think you got the intent of that post wrong. It was meant to show 
Rossi's 1 MW plant is not a financially viable device to generate 
electricity, even if he makes it work at 35% efficiency, no matter how 
green it is. No one would buy a 1 MW plant for $2 million, plus the cost 
of the steam turbine and generator, to make maybe 350 kWs of electricity 
of which 165 kWs needs to be fed into the plant to keep the heat up. So 
$2.5 million for 185 kW of electrical output? Rossi is mad if he thinks 
anyone will buy this BS.


I don't believe he ever sold the first plant or the buyer rejected it 
and never took delivery. Who would spend $2 million on that piece of junk?


What did this Watson do to you to make you so agro? You seem so full of 
hate. Man I don't want to be around if you ever lose it.


Cool alias Keef. Bet most here have no idea what is means? Heehee

Shaun

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Alain Sepeda

you take the cost of the plant as your only parameter.

but normally the fuel is the key cost in normal cheap factory.
here fuel is nearly free

2012/1/21 Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com

 It was meant to show Rossi's 1 MW plant is not a financially viable device
 to generate electricity,

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

I'm not full of hate dude.
I strongly dislike con-artists and I think they should be locked up (humanely) 
in a white room with the lights on 24 hours a day and nothing to read no TV etc.
Very humane indeed.
A much better situation than their victims find themselves in.
Many of Madoff's victims are known to have committed suicide or have gone 
postal.
I am sure that there will similar fallout from this affair.
I am not hateful.
I am just a tad peeved!

(there is no Q in Keef)





 From: Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson
 
On 21/01/2012 11:12 PM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:
 http://rossilivecat.com/all.html
 Grab it quick before they take it down.
 (I've saved it)
 No PROOF that it is Greg Watson
 but by the timing and all I am fairly confident.
 It sure SOUNDS like him, and what he is tryn gto do is put together a
 proposal for his investors that they put in the money to buy a shirtload
 of Ecats to run a green power station
 What crap!

Keefer,

That is a big list mate. Got a direct link to that statement?

I'm no expert but with a 18.5% efficiency (185 kW of electricity output, 165 kW 
feed back into the plant, 20 kW available outside the plant), he would need 50 
x 1 MW plants at a cost of $100m, plus the cost of the 50 Rankine cycle based 
turbines and generators, to create 1 MW externally available electrical output. 
Totally BS deal.

I think you got the intent of that post wrong. It was meant to show Rossi's 1 
MW plant is not a financially viable device to generate electricity, even if he 
makes it work at 35% efficiency, no matter how green it is. No one would buy a 
1 MW plant for $2 million, plus the cost of the steam turbine and generator, to 
make maybe 350 kWs of electricity of which 165 kWs needs to be fed into the 
plant to keep the heat up. So $2.5 million for 185 kW of electrical output? 
Rossi is mad if he thinks anyone will buy this BS.

I don't believe he ever sold the first plant or the buyer rejected it and never 
took delivery. Who would spend $2 million on that piece of junk?

What did this Watson do to you to make you so agro? You seem so full of hate. 
Man I don't want to be around if you ever lose it.

Cool alias Keef. Bet most here have no idea what is means? Heehee

Shaun

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

What did this Watson do to you to make you so agro? You seem so full of hate. 
Man I don't want to be around if you ever lose it 



Ahem!
Re: The Wacky World of Watson!!! 7-May-09 07:41 pm
Keith wrote:

As for your overunity bollocks...so what if you have a professor of JUNK 
SCIENCE that supports it.
There are plenty of REAL SCIENTISTS to disprove it.
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/smo...;

Keith,

The only problem here is this guy NEVER actually built one and tested it. Prof. 
Clauzon and his team did build one, tested it and found out, to their surprise, 
that it did what I claimed it did.

But now you slander and defame Prof. Clauzon?

What gives you the right to decided who is legitimate and who is not?

Do you actually work? Do you have a job? If so what do you do? Where is your CV 
that shows you have the education, experience and right to slander and defame 
all who get in your way.

If you think I'm going away, you are VERY wrong. You picked the wrong guy to 
F**k with.

All the best,
Green and Gold Energy Pty., Ltd
Greg Watson, CEO
7 Provident Avenue, Glynde, 5070
South Australia, Australia, +61 8 8365 5844
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au

No Greg, YOU chose the wrong guy to F**K with!



 


 From: Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson
 
On 21/01/2012 11:12 PM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:
 http://rossilivecat.com/all.html
 Grab it quick before they take it down.
 (I've saved it)
 No PROOF that it is Greg Watson
 but by the timing and all I am fairly confident.
 It sure SOUNDS like him, and what he is tryn gto do is put together a
 proposal for his investors that they put in the money to buy a shirtload
 of Ecats to run a green power station
 What crap!

Keefer,

That is a big list mate. Got a direct link to that statement?

I'm no expert but with a 18.5% efficiency (185 kW of electricity output, 165 kW 
feed back into the plant, 20 kW available outside the plant), he would need 50 
x 1 MW plants at a cost of $100m, plus the cost of the 50 Rankine cycle based 
turbines and generators, to create 1 MW externally available electrical output. 
Totally BS deal.

I think you got the intent of that post wrong. It was meant to show Rossi's 1 
MW plant is not a financially viable device to generate electricity, even if he 
makes it work at 35% efficiency, no matter how green it is. No one would buy a 
1 MW plant for $2 million, plus the cost of the steam turbine and generator, to 
make maybe 350 kWs of electricity of which 165 kWs needs to be fed into the 
plant to keep the heat up. So $2.5 million for 185 kW of electrical output? 
Rossi is mad if he thinks anyone will buy this BS.

I don't believe he ever sold the first plant or the buyer rejected it and never 
took delivery. Who would spend $2 million on that piece of junk?

What did this Watson do to you to make you so agro? You seem so full of hate. 
Man I don't want to be around if you ever lose it.

Cool alias Keef. Bet most here have no idea what is means? Heehee

Shaun

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson


On 22/01/2012 12:00 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote:

you take the cost of the plant as your only parameter.

but normally the fuel is the key cost in normal cheap factory.
here fuel is nearly free

2012/1/21 Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com

It was meant to show Rossi's 1 MW plant is not a financially viable
device to generate electricity,


There is no fuel with solar either. Yet it can't generate at a low 
enough price to compete with traditional power plants. Even at $1 / Watt 
installed cost for a whole plant, which is not currently possible, it 
would still need government money to make it viable. A 1 MW E-Cat plant 
at $2.5 million for a 185 kW nett output ($13.50 / Watt) will never be 
viable. No way.


It is a really bad joke that some believe this is not true. Rossi has 
pulled the wool over your eyes.


Shaun

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson


On 22/01/2012 12:14 AM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:

I'm not full of hate dude.
I strongly dislike con-artists and I think they should be locked up
(humanely) in a white room with the lights on 24 hours a day and nothing
to read no TV etc.
Very humane indeed.
A much better situation than their victims find themselves in.
Many of Madoff's victims are known to have committedsuicide or have gone
postal.
I am sure that there will similar fallout from this affair.
I am not hateful.
I am just a tad peeved!

(there is no Q in Keef)


Chill mate.

I still don't understand what Watson did to you? Did you give him money
and he never delivered the goods? Did you do work for him and he never
paid you? Did you investment money in his company? What happened?

Some advise mate. What you are doing will not extend you life. It will
fill you with rage. I see the way you write about Watson. This is not
good. You need to focus on things in your life that are good and
pleasant. Learn to meditate or punch the crap out of a punching bag. Do
something other that what is currently consuming your life, which is too
short to drink bad wine or carry grudges. You have done your bit. The
public record on Watson is there for all to read. You did that.

Now is the time to learn to chill out and spend quality time with people
that bring value to your life and you to theirs. In the end all we have
is family and friends. People like Watson and Rossi will never
understand that.

Buy you a beer sometime.

Shaun.

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson


On 22/01/2012 12:21 AM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:

What did this Watson do to you to make you so agro? You seem so full of
hate. Man I don't want to be around if you ever lose it


Ahem!


Keefer,

So all this Watson guy did was to argue with you? You never gave him any 
money or he never refused to pay you for any work you did for him? Have 
you ever met or spoken to him?


Dude we need to talk before you do lose it.

Shaun

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha

Bought something for a couple of hundreds of dollars and never got his
thing. That's all...

2012/1/21 Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com

 On 22/01/2012 12:21 AM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:

 What did this Watson do to you to make you so agro? You seem so full of
 hate. Man I don't want to be around if you ever lose it


 Ahem!


 Keefer,

 So all this Watson guy did was to argue with you? You never gave him any
 money or he never refused to pay you for any work you did for him? Have you
 ever met or spoken to him?

 Dude we need to talk before you do lose it.

 Shaun




-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson


On 22/01/2012 12:21 AM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:

The only problem here is this guy NEVER actually built one and tested
it. Prof. Clauzon and his team did build one, tested it and found out,


Keefer,

You do know this Prof Clauzon guy that you claimed is a JUNK scientist 
was at Rossi's 6 Oct E-Cat demo? Check the attendance list. He was there.


Shaun

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha

Keefer was quoting that guy. That is not his message.

2012/1/21 Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com

 On 22/01/2012 12:21 AM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:

 The only problem here is this guy NEVER actually built one and tested
 it. Prof. Clauzon and his team did build one, tested it and found out,


 Keefer,

 You do know this Prof Clauzon guy that you claimed is a JUNK scientist was
 at Rossi's 6 Oct E-Cat demo? Check the attendance list. He was there.

 Shaun




-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson


On 22/01/2012 1:05 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:

Bought something for a couple of hundreds of dollars and never got his
thing. That's all...


I have never read that Keef has ever claimed to have bought anything 
from Watson. Something else is at the root of his anger. Something that 
seems to drive him on every day. Something that he needs to get rid of 
before it destroys him.


Shaun

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Rich Murray

Very informative warning, Mary Yugo -- thanks, again -- Rich Murray,
pragmatic skeptic, always learning...

[Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

The story starts here SunCube 
Fiasco http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=102146

Short version. 
Greg Watson started a company Green and Gold Energy.
Claimed to have a wonderful new Solar widget SUNCUBE which was 6 times better 
than old fashioned flatties
Published a firm price and specification, ready real soon, place intent to 
purchase NOW!
Thousands of folks believed it and placed their orders.
Greg then sold licenses to manufacture all over the world for millions of 
dollars.
SunCube never came on the market, NOT because it was suppressed but because 
it was a fake.
Any critics (like me) were threatened with lawsuits, insulted and derided.
SunCube factory is closed.
GGE is all but gone which is why I am going after him personally for bankruptcy.

Can I prove 100% that Aussie Guy is Greg Watson? 
Well of course not, I couldn't prove 100% that the SunCube was a fake.
I couldn't prove 100% that the SunCube was a fake (hence the defamation case)
I can't prove 100% that Watson does not have fairies at the bottom of his 
garden.
I can't prove 100% that Rossi is running a scam.

If Aussie Guy is NOT Greg Watson, you'd think he would be saying so right now 
VERY LOUDLY!

Come on Aussi Guy.. YOUR TURN NOW!

RE: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

Well, Keef - judging from the prior postings here in support of AG (they
know who they are) you may have saved several Rossi fanboys a wad of ca$h
that would have gone into the stock of whatever new investment vehicle
Greg comes up with. 

 

GOW has apparently learned from experience that selling stock in worthless
companies is much lower risk than selling products you can't deliver.
Capitalism protects the pump and dumper pretty well - but not the guy
who takes deposits and does not ship product.

 

Even if Rossi has a hint of a valid technology, a very good scam can be
built on selling manufacturing licenses. According to what you say, this
is the mostly likely way that Greg was pointing, and he had already built a
pretty good base of support for the next PD here on vortex, thanks to being
able to hide behind a false identity. 

 

Anyone who was not suspicious of AG from his early posting is way too
gullible - not to get fleeced sometime in the future - many red flags there.
That is NOT the way real businessmen work - ironically, they are way more
discreet.

 

This is not to say that in Greece, DGT is presently pulling off that same
kind of scam, based on inside connections to AR's scam - even though their
ploy does seem to be to sell manufacturing licenses at absurd up-front
fees .. but given that Green and Gold seems to be a classic example of pump
and dump - it is a fair bet that something like this was already in the
planning stages in Oz, based on Greg claiming to have this special direct
line (horse's mouth in his words) connection to AR. 

 

In the final analysis, it looks like Greg chose the wrong end of the horse's
anatomy to best describes his inside connections :-)

 

Jones

 

From: Eff Wivakeef 

 

The story starts here SunCube Fiasco
http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=102146

 

Short version. 

Greg Watson started a company Green and Gold Energy.

Claimed to have a wonderful new Solar widget SUNCUBE which was 6 times
better than old fashioned flatties

Published a firm price and specification, ready real soon, place intent to
purchase NOW!

Thousands of folks believed it and placed their orders.

Greg then sold licenses to manufacture all over the world for millions of
dollars.

SunCube never came on the market, NOT because it was suppressed but
because it was a fake.

Any critics (like me) were threatened with lawsuits, insulted and derided.

SunCube factory is closed.

GGE is all but gone which is why I am going after him personally for
bankruptcy.

 

Can I prove 100% that Aussie Guy is Greg Watson? 

Well of course not, I couldn't prove 100% that the SunCube was a fake.

I couldn't prove 100% that the SunCube was a fake (hence the defamation
case)

I can't prove 100% that Watson does not have fairies at the bottom of his
garden.

I can't prove 100% that Rossi is running a scam.

 

If Aussie Guy is NOT Greg Watson, you'd think he would be saying so right
now VERY LOUDLY!

 

Come on Aussi Guy.. YOUR TURN NOW!

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

The Ballad of Greg Watson (updated)

Come and listen to a story
Bout a man named Greg
A poor old aging scammer
Barely kept his fambly fed
And then one day he was looking at his roof
Said I'll dream me up a sunball
And I'll say that it's the troof

Well the sunball turned to suncube
And to mark two three four five
And the money kept on flowing
It felt good to be alive
But those customers kept asking
When those suncubes they'd be getting
And they started asking questions
Bout the things Greg kept forgettin
LikeProof Greg
Simple proof
Taint hard

Well now Greg he chucked a wobbly
And he said you won't be gettin
Not a single bloody suncube
Cos it's secret...I'm not tellin
But youse can all still buy a share
In my solar funny farm
And I'm keepin all the money
So there's no cause for alarm
Gold
Green and Gold
YEE HA!

Well Greg he's building factries
In Indya and Korea
But Keef he said
Hey Greg..just cut the crap
And get on out of here
Your proposals are preposterous
Your aim is very clear
So take your stupid Suncubes
And insert them in your rear!

Well the sunCube Saga ended 
and ole Greg was feeling bored
But then he found a brand new scam
(Oh thank you, thank you Lord)
He found that that cold fusion
was the brand new place to be
So he packed his first class baggage
and he flew to Italy

Well he met that Andy Rossi
and he was quite overawed
he was oily slick and greasy
and like Greg was almost bald
thinks might have gone quite nicely 
but that bastard Keef stepped in
and he shouted loudly
BULLSHIT
much to Greg and And's chagrin

Come on Aussie Guy.you don't want us to think that you might really be Greg 
Watson do you?

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-20 Thread Craig Haynie

Heh!

I think you may need profession assistance with your obsession with
Greg. :)

Craig


On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 07:59 -0800, Eff Wivakeef wrote:
 The Ballad of Greg Watson (updated)
 
 
 Come and listen to a story
 Bout a man named Greg
 A poor old aging scammer
 Barely kept his fambly fed
 And then one day he was looking at his roof
 Said I'll dream me up a sunball
 And I'll say that it's the troof
 
 
 Well the sunball turned to suncube
 And to mark two three four five
 And the money kept on flowing
 It felt good to be alive
 But those customers kept asking
 When those suncubes they'd be getting
 And they started asking questions
 Bout the things Greg kept forgettin
 LikeProof Greg
 Simple proof
 Taint hard
 
 
 Well now Greg he chucked a wobbly
 And he said you won't be gettin
 Not a single bloody suncube
 Cos it's secret...I'm not tellin
 But youse can all still buy a share
 In my solar funny farm
 And I'm keepin all the money
 So there's no cause for alarm
 Gold
 Green and Gold
 YEE HA!
 
 
 Well Greg he's building factries
 In Indya and Korea
 But Keef he said
 Hey Greg..just cut the crap
 And get on out of here
 Your proposals are preposterous
 Your aim is very clear
 So take your stupid Suncubes
 And insert them in your rear!
 
 
 Well the sunCube Saga ended 
 and ole Greg was feeling bored
 But then he found a brand new scam
 (Oh thank you, thank you Lord)
 He found that that cold fusion
 was the brand new place to be
 So he packed his first class baggage
 and he flew to Italy
 
 
 Well he met that Andy Rossi
 and he was quite overawed
 he was oily slick and greasy
 and like Greg was almost bald
 thinks might have gone quite nicely 
 but that bastard Keef stepped in
 and he shouted loudly
 BULLSHIT
 much to Greg and And's chagrin
 
 
 
 Come on Aussie Guy.you don't want us to think that you might
 really be Greg Watson do you?

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-20 Thread Mary Yugo

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

GOW has apparently learned from experience that selling stock in
worthless companies is much lower risk than selling products you can’t
deliver. “Capitalism” protects the “pump and dumper” pretty well - but not
the guy who takes deposits and does not ship product.

Right. But in the US, pump and dump scams get caught too. It's that the
punishment is often limited to a stop and desist order and disgorgement
of the ill gotten funds. The problem with that last item is that the
scammers have often spent or hidden the money by the time the order comes
out. One recent example of a pump and dump that got caught is Sniffex -- a
company which sold dowsing rods as explosive detectors and perpetrated a $6
million fraud in the US. A stop and disgorge settlement was reached in a
case brought by the SEC and the FBI:

http://www.propublica.org/article/sec-bomb-detector-bought-by-military-was-front-for-scam-717
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2008/comp20645_sniffex.pdf
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2008/lr20645.htm

Unfortunately, the scam continued with the sale of hundreds of millions of
dollars' worth of the worthless equipment in the rest of the world,
especially Iraq and Thailand and resulted in several deaths documented on
Youtube in Thailand and unknown numbers of deaths in Iraq. Prosecution of
the perpetrators of those schemes is still uncertain. The whole dreadful
situation of people who make millions by selling dowsing rods as explosive
detectors in mostly undeveloped countries is continuously documented here:
http://sniffexquestions.blogspot.com/ and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651

A device similar to Sniffex sold in Iraq:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBQEkXkSVd0 and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWr6NO8YAbk

There was a video on Youtube which showed a member of the military
clearing a motor bike with a dowsing rod, soldiers moving in, and the
bike exploding from a hidden explosive device which the detector failed to
find. Six people died right on film. I couldn't find it so maybe it was
redacted from Youtube for the violence. The still photos of this incident
are here (WARNING: very graphic and violent and may be NSFW):
http://sniffexquestions.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-does.html

To summarize, sometimes in some countries, pump and dump schemers do get
their hands slapped and their gains reversed. In most places, even in
egregious cases that result in injuries and deaths, the scammers are not
punished. I think the appropriate punishment for the Sniffex scammers
would have been to place them inside an intense mine field and give them
one of their own explosive detectors to get themselves out.

Sorry for the OT aspects of this post but the point is that scams can be
lethal as well as financially destructive and even then it can take an
extremely long time to stop them and the punishment to the perpetrators is
not sufficient.

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

HOLY SHIT!

 From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2012 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 GOW has apparently learned from experience that selling stock in worthless 
 companies is much lower risk than selling products you can’t deliver. 
 “Capitalism” protects the “pump and dumper” pretty well - but not the guy who 
 takes deposits and does not ship product.

Right.  But in the US, pump and dump scams get caught too.  It's that the 
punishment is often limited to a stop and desist order and disgorgement of 
the ill gotten funds.  The problem with that last item is that the scammers 
have often spent or hidden the money by the time the order comes out.  One 
recent example of a pump and dump that got caught is Sniffex -- a company which 
sold dowsing rods as explosive detectors and perpetrated a $6 million fraud in 
the US.  A stop and disgorge settlement was reached in a case brought by the 
SEC and the FBI: 

http://www.propublica.org/article/sec-bomb-detector-bought-by-military-was-front-for-scam-717
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2008/comp20645_sniffex.pdf
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2008/lr20645.htm

Unfortunately, the scam continued with the sale of hundreds of millions of 
dollars' worth of the worthless equipment in the rest of the world, especially 
Iraq and Thailand and resulted in several deaths documented on Youtube in 
Thailand and unknown numbers of deaths in Iraq.  Prosecution of the 
perpetrators of those schemes is still uncertain.  The whole dreadful situation 
of people who make millions by selling dowsing rods as explosive detectors in 
mostly undeveloped countries is continuously documented here:   
http://sniffexquestions.blogspot.com/  and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651

A device similar to Sniffex sold in Iraq:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBQEkXkSVd0  and 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWr6NO8YAbk

There was a video on Youtube which showed a member of the military clearing a 
motor bike with a dowsing rod, soldiers moving in, and the bike exploding from 
a hidden explosive device which the detector failed to find.  Six people died 
right on film.  I couldn't find it so maybe it was redacted from Youtube for 
the violence.  The still photos of this incident are here (WARNING: very 
graphic and violent and may be NSFW):   
http://sniffexquestions.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-does.html

To summarize, sometimes in some countries, pump and dump schemers do get their 
hands slapped and their gains reversed.  In most places, even in egregious 
cases that result in injuries and deaths, the scammers are not punished.  I 
think the appropriate punishment for the Sniffex scammers would have been to 
place them inside an intense mine field and give them one of their own 
explosive detectors to get themselves out.

Sorry for the OT aspects of this post but the point is that scams can be lethal 
as well as financially destructive and even then it can take an extremely long 
time to stop them and the punishment to the perpetrators is not sufficient.

RE: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

 

If anyone is still in doubt that Greg and Aussi Guy are one and the same,
here is a thread from another forum - that turned up today - where other
posters are calling Greg the world's greatest supplier of bullshit, to his
face - and he doesn't blink an eye - PLUS he identifies himself as AussiGuy.
Case closed.

 

5th message down

 

http://peakoil.com/forums/the-cold-fusion-thread-pt-4-merged-t63982-165.html

 

Go for it Keef - did you miss this forum? 

 

. yeah, yeah - we realize that your obsession with this mission to bring
justice to Oz is almost clinical - but hey, getting scammed and then getting
insulted by the scammer and then stalked and threatened - that will
sometimes cause overreaction. 

 

Don't forget to take the meds, however.

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-20 Thread Mary Yugo

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  ** **

 If anyone is still in doubt that Greg and Aussi Guy are one and the same,
 here is a thread from another forum - that turned up today - where other
 posters are calling Greg the world’s greatest supplier of bullshit, to his
 face - and he doesn’t blink an eye - PLUS he identifies himself as
 AussiGuy. Case closed.


Sure enough.  And the post makes him sound like a lunatic.

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

Who the hell do you think Blinky Bill is?
(I cannot tell a lie!)

 From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

If anyone is still in
doubt that Greg and Aussi Guy are one and the same, here is a thread from
another forum - that turned up today - where other posters are calling Greg the
world’s greatest supplier of bullshit, to his face - and he doesn’t
blink an eye - PLUS he identifies himself as AussiGuy. Case closed.

5th message down

http://peakoil.com/forums/the-cold-fusion-thread-pt-4-merged-t63982-165.html

Go for it Keef – did
you miss this forum? 

… yeah, yeah - we realize
that your obsession with this “mission” to bring justice to Oz is
almost clinical – but hey, getting scammed and then getting insulted by
the scammer and then stalked and threatened – that will sometimes cause 
overreaction. 

Don’t forget to take
the meds, however.

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

I hope you don't mean my friend Blinky
He is a very nice dude.
I know him VERY well indeed.

 From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2012 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

If anyone is still in
doubt that Greg and Aussi Guy are one and the same, here is a thread from
another forum - that turned up today - where other posters are calling Greg the
world’s greatest supplier of bullshit, to his face - and he doesn’t
blink an eye - PLUS he identifies himself as AussiGuy. Case closed.

Sure enough.  And the post makes him sound like a lunatic.

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-20 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence




On 12-01-20 03:25 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:



On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net 
mailto:jone...@pacbell.net wrote:


If anyone is still in doubt that Greg and Aussi Guy are one and
the same, here is a thread from another forum - that turned up
today - where other posters are calling Greg the world's greatest
supplier of bullshit, to his face - and he doesn't blink an eye -
PLUS he identifies himself as AussiGuy. Case closed.


Sure enough.  And the post makes him sound like a lunatic.


Why, just 'cause he's into Joe cells as well?

I like this (from good old Peswiki):  The output of the cell does not 
have to be connected to the internals of the engine.


And I like the fact that after you run your engine with a Joe cell for a 
while, the engine catches whatever bug the cell had, and then you can 
disconnect the cell.  I guess you're good to go permanently at that 
point.  Sure can't beat that for gas mileage!


And if everything's done right the cell's operation produces antigravity 
as well, and can lift the car right off the ground ... neat trick, 
that.  May not be so good when you're trying to get traction on snow, 
OTOH (something we care about a lot up here in Ottawa).

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-20 Thread Daniel Rocha

The source doesn't link to yahoo groups.

2012/1/20 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com



 On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  ** **

 If anyone is still in doubt that Greg and Aussi Guy are one and the same,
 here is a thread from another forum - that turned up today - where other
 posters are calling Greg the world’s greatest supplier of bullshit, to his
 face - and he doesn’t blink an eye - PLUS he identifies himself as
 AussiGuy. Case closed.


 Sure enough.  And the post makes him sound like a lunatic.




-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

Here is what you need   
http://peakoil.com/forums/the-cold-fusion-thread-pt-4-merged-t63982.html

If you want more info please contact AUSSIE GUY!

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-20 Thread Craig Haynie

1) My inability to make a 100% solid SMOT device and
ship it to the 2 or so people who had sent me $150
Aus.

http://peakoil.com/forums/the-cold-fusion-thread-pt-4-merged-t63982-165.html

20,000??? people sent him money for the SMOT?

I never knew he was at that level. That's 3 million AUS dollars. I
thought he was a beginning scammer.

Craig

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

Err the 20,000 Might be an inadvertent typo.
Who knows how many of the stupid things he sold or did did/not deliver.
What is for sure is that Greg advertised the SMOT all over the net and lived 
off the income for a few years.
http://groups.google.com.au/groups/search?hl=enie=UTF-8safe=offq=real+ou+now+greg+watsonbtnG=Searchsitesearch= 




  
Greg Watson   View profile     More options Jun 27 1997, 7:00 am 
Hi All, 

Thought you might like to checkout my SMOT research.  Many worldwide 
replicators have verified my results. 

REAL desktop OU NOW! 

-- 
Best Regards, 
 Greg          Http://www.microtronics.com.au/~gwatson/ 

YEAH RIGHT!
Real OU my arse!



 From: Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2012 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson
 
1) My inability to make a 100% solid SMOT device and
ship it to the 2 or so people who had sent me $150
Aus.

http://peakoil.com/forums/the-cold-fusion-thread-pt-4-merged-t63982-165.html

20,000??? people sent him money for the SMOT?

I never knew he was at that level. That's 3 million AUS dollars. I
thought he was a beginning scammer.

Craig

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-20 Thread Craig Haynie

On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 13:25 -0800, Eff Wivakeef wrote:
 Err the 20,000 Might be an inadvertent typo.
 Who knows how many of the stupid things he sold or did did/not
 deliver.
 What is for sure is that Greg advertised the SMOT all over the net and
 lived off the income for a few years.
 http://groups.google.com.au/groups/search?hl=enie=UTF-8safe=offq=real+ou+now+greg+watsonbtnG=Searchsitesearch=
  

This is news to me too. The way he approached this list back in the
mid-90s, was as a regular guy who had found this interesting thing with
magnets and a steel ball. He never talked about selling the SMOT until
some people here started asking to have him make one for them. The whole
presentation was as if he was making them just for the people on this
list, and only because he was being asked. The cost was really quite
reasonable if he had actually done any work on them. The SMOT was not
orginally even supposed to prove the effect he was claiming.

He may have been a guy who just got lazy and failed to deliver, but if
he was trying to sell them across the internet, then that tells a
different story.

Craig

RE: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

Craig,

That particular message could be a plant by someone else but even so, the 
worldwide number was much higher than in the USA alone.

He did repay a few carefully selected purchasers on vortex, including our 
moderator Bill, and maybe Jed. Selective reimbursement. There are old posts in 
the archives. 

I guess he thought the rest of us would forgive and forget ...

Wrong. And if he did clear over a million - and Keef wants to fry him but good, 
ask the tax officials in Oz if he paid his taxes on the $2-3 million. Somehow, 
it seems unlikely that scammers will pay taxes on ill-gotten gains, but he is 
pretty clever at avoiding legal responsibilities, it seems.

The strangest post from him is on a Aussie solar forum - where he warns a 
critic to apologize or else he will take them to Court for defamation - and 
this is the same time frame that he is getting spanked in court by Keef; plus 
it looks like he did not have an attorney then. ROTFL.


-Original Message-
From: Craig Haynie 

1) My inability to make a 100% solid SMOT device and
ship it to the 2 or so people who had sent me $150
Aus.

http://peakoil.com/forums/the-cold-fusion-thread-pt-4-merged-t63982-165.html

20,000??? people sent him money for the SMOT?

I never knew he was at that level. That's 3 million AUS dollars. I
thought he was a beginning scammer.

Craig

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-20 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence




On 12-01-20 04:39 PM, Craig Haynie wrote:

On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 13:25 -0800, Eff Wivakeef wrote:

What is for sure is that Greg advertised the SMOT all over the net and
lived off the income for a few years. [ ... ]

This is news to me too. The way he approached this list back in the
mid-90s, was as a regular guy who had found this interesting thing with
magnets and a steel ball. ...

He may have been a guy who just got lazy and failed to deliver...


No.  He could never have been just lazy.  That would imply he really 
had something real, and just didn't follow through on it, but that is 
certainly not true.  He was dishonest about it from the word go; he had 
nothing which worked.


He was claiming to have a device which violated physical law -- and not 
just an obscure second law violation in marginal conditions, but a 
violation of well understood, extremely well verified laws of how 
magnets interact with each other, which certainly also included a pure 
and simple first law violation.  It was a straight-up type 1 PMM, with 
no wiggle room for statistical violations or ZPE or Casamir forces or 
other possible cheats.


He obviously *never* had a working model.

Yet, he CLAIMED to have a working model (certainly an outright lie), 
which ran and ran and ran (certainly a lie), and he claimed to have a 
videotape of it running for an extended period (certainly a lie).  
However, he couldn't actually produce the tape -- there was some 
cockbull story about something happening to the tape so he couldn't 
show it to anyone, and some bogus reason why he couldn't tape it again.


So, he was clearly a bald face liar, asking people for money for 
something he certainly knew he didn't have.


To suggest that we welcome him back to the list, after he stole money 
from list members, would be outrageous.  (I'm not sure anyone actually 
made that suggestion.)

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

That's nothing, he threatens EVERYONE with a defamation action!

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1788051# 


CaptainScarlet writes...
It's a scam...
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=suncube+fraudie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-GB:officialclient=firefox-a
There are many other threads on this site stating the same
Hi CaptainScarlet,
I would suggest you should think about getting involved in a defamation court 
proceeding before posting links that you do not know contain 100% truthful 
information. So you know, all those claims came from one person, who has NO 
PROOF of anything he claims.
Just to be very clear here. Unless you are PROVE, in court, that the claim you 
just made is true, GGE can now sue you for defamation.
Care to apologize?
-
Best regards,
Greg Watson, Mng Dir,
Green and Gold Energy Pty Ltd
Adelaide, South Australia, Australia


 
GreenandGoldEnergy writes...
I suggest you be very careful here with what you are writing. We have no issue 
with taking you to court for Defamation.
Greg – seriously Dude, chill with the Defamation threats. affable has said that 
it appeats that you are no longer trading as he can't find an address etc. and 
that would be an issue.
I can't see defamation happening here (IANAL).
Anyway, you have the perfect opportunity to state the facts as you see them as 
much as you are willing. To me these defamation threats just seem over the top!
:-)
User #387654   475 posts
Naboo The Shaman
Forum Regular This thread is like Groundhog Day
Look out for the next defamation threat in another 7 page's time 

Then there is THIS thread  
http://www.thebackshed.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=903PN=1

The moderator got freaked out by all the threats from Greggy so he closed it 
down.
It's a funny read though!

Gizmo
Admin Group

 
Administrator

Joined: 05 June 2004
Location: Australia 
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3193 Posted: 06 October 2008 at 3:46pm | IP Logged   


 No more discussion about the Suncube on my forum please. Any future posts will 
be deleted unless it is to say the Suncubes have started production and are 
available for pickup. 

Thats it, no more, its not in the nature of this forum for this sort of 
discussion to continue and I'm sick of stressing about it. Wish the best to 
Green and Gold. 

Glenn

__
If it dont fit, use a bigger hammer. 

From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2012 9:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson
 
Craig,

That particular message could be a plant by someone else but even so, the 
worldwide number was much higher than in the USA alone.

He did repay a few carefully selected purchasers on vortex, including our 
moderator Bill, and maybe Jed. Selective reimbursement. There are old posts in 
the archives. 

I guess he thought the rest of us would forgive and forget ...

Wrong. And if he did clear over a million - and Keef wants to fry him but good, 
ask the tax officials in Oz if he paid his taxes on the $2-3 million. Somehow, 
it seems unlikely that scammers will pay taxes on ill-gotten gains, but he is 
pretty clever at avoiding legal responsibilities, it seems.

The strangest post from him is on a Aussie solar forum - where he warns a 
critic to apologize or else he will take them to Court for defamation - and 
this is the same time frame that he is getting spanked in court by Keef; plus 
it looks like he did not have an attorney then. ROTFL.


-Original Message-
From: Craig Haynie 

1) My inability to make a 100% solid SMOT device and
ship it to the 2 or so people who had sent me $150
Aus.

http://peakoil.com/forums/the-cold-fusion-thread-pt-4-merged-t63982-165.html

20,000??? people sent him money for the SMOT?

I never knew he was at that level. That's 3 million AUS dollars. I
thought he was a beginning scammer.

Craig

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

Yeah RIGHT!

Date: Wed, 14 May
1997 08:15:26 +0930
From: Greg Watson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
vortex-l@eskimo.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Simple
Rotary Ou Device

Hi All,

Just a short note to
try to answer those questions I can.

1) There is NO
outside power source.

2) The device
contains only ceramic magnet and
ferromagnetic
materials (some balsa, a few
bearings and some
plactic U channel as well).

3) The device
produces rotary torque. Can be
stopped with very
little pressure from two
fingers on a steel
4mm shaft.

4) The device has
been moved to the middle of
my lounge and my back
garden. It still works.

5) The device will
not auto start. However the
energy necessary to
start is only that required
to overcome friction.

6) I don't think the
device is worthy of a Nobel
or my picture on
Business Week. I know of several
other devices
(Finstrud, Gary, Kawai,Bob Shannon's
Barkenhausen Effect
Battery and many US patents)
which show magnetic
devices can do work. For
some strange reason,
we seem to Not want to
believe or
maybe just want to believe in our
own area of research
as the One true path.

7) I have posted
enough details and ideas for
those of you who
REALLY want to duplicate the
device to do so. Read
my postings.

8) Much work still
remains to be able to light
a 1 watt bulb. When I
can do that, I will make
available through
Stephan's and Bill's OU web
sites a Mpeg of the
device working. If I can't
light a bulb, it will
still make a nice toy and
maybe a starting
place for someone else.

9) The magnets don't
appear to be getting weaker
or colder, but then I
am not generating much
power yet.

10) I still call the
effect DNMEC (Direct Nuclear
Magnetic Energy
Conversion).

OOH HE IS A NUKULAR
SCIENTIST NOW..SIMPLY AMAZING!

Like my flux gate
DNMEC effect, both
these effects revolve around
ferromagnetic and
magnet interactions. I believe
the Kawai motor is
another variation of the DNMEC
effect (like the Rod
 Coil we discussed earlier).

Come on guys (and
gals), start thinking outside
of the square. There
is always more than one way
to crack eggs.

Stop talking
.. BUILD SOMETHING!

--
Best Regards Greg
Watson Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greg Watson Adelaide,
S. Australia 61 8 8270 2737 Home/Office/Fax

RE: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

BTW - someone asked earlier how AG/Greg was scheming ... in order to profit 
from contacts on vortex, juxtaposed and combine with the emergence of Andrea 
Rossi onto the public scene, and now the answer is clearing up (GOW's 
strategy). Remember two things - first - he got his big start on vortex, kind 
of luckily and without enormous bad intent, and that made him a ton of cash, 
what? 2-3 million? 

When crooks are successful with any scam, they try to keep the same formula 
going (at least the good detectives say this - you know: Harry Bosch and Joe 
Leaphorn) ...cough, cough ... where was I - OH - well its basically that crime 
is amusingly habitual or non-random to a statistician, and in terms of 
solvability. As for #2, stay tuned but the date of interest is December 26 in 
the archives.

Jones

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-20 Thread Terry Blanton

Vada a bordo, GOW!

T

RE: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

Terry still wants to know your doggies' name, LOL


-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton 

Vada a bordo, GOW!

T

RE: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-20 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax

I continue to be amazed how *convinced* people
can be by incomplete and inconclusive evidence.
That takes place in all directions and all sides.

I looked at the thread cited. As cited, it's
definitely not a proof of anything, there would
need to be some precedent conditions. However,
those who are familiar with the whole sequence,
or certain critical parts of it, might well know
enough. But that complete evidence hasn't been
presented. The result is that people may believe
what they choose to believe. My advice is to
believe nothing, as to absolute belief. Make
routine judgments as to where to place your
money, your feet, or your reputation, and it's
not necessary to have complete evidence to do
that. But don't present your conclusions as if
they were proof of anything but your own opinion.

Physicists who rejected LENR in 1989-1990 because
it seemed impossible to them may have been making
a decision that was reasonable given what they
knew, and the error was in over-exclusion of
evidence contrary to their beliefs, and
incomplete study of the foundations of their
beliefs. Nevertheless, in those early days, there
were lots of reasons to remain *very* skeptical.

Very skeptical is not the same as certainty as
to bogosity. That certainty never existed with
cold fusion, as to what would reasonably be
considered scientific consensus, i.e., the
judgment of those who became reasonably informed.
Read the 1989 and 2004 U.S. DoE reports and see
if it's reasonable to conclude that there was
*certainty of bogosity.* There wasn't, not even
in 1989, and by 2004, experts, including some
major fraction (as much as one-third) who, from
their comments, weren't going to accept cold
fusion if it bit them in the nose, were about
evenly divided on the issue of some significant
anomaly being involved. The conclusion that
further research was needed and actually
recommended was unanimous in 2004, and that
wasn't -- as I've seen some skeptics claim --
mere boilerplate. In 1989, yes, it was a
politically forced conclusion, the Nobel
Prize-winning co-chair threatened to resign if
that moderate language wasn't included. Smart man.

What's the problem with the conclusion that
Greg and Aussie Guy are the same? The problem
is that if some person, with a created pseudonym,
claims to be So-and-So, on the Internet, we
don't know it is actually that person.
Presumably, from the history, and assuming that
those writing here aren't lying, there is a real Greg.

Yet I have seen, in Usenet posts, for example,
straw puppets, users claiming to be such and such
a person, with such and such views, when the user
was actually the opposite, an enemy, and was
attempting to expose and humiliate.

I obviously don't know that this is the case
here, and my sense is that Keef is right; if
Keef is right, the comments about obsession are
way out of place. When we have rare and unusual
knowledge, that could be important for the
protection of users, we have a special obligation
to reveal this information. Judging someone who
does this as obsessed is downright rude.
Possessing special knowledge is not obsession.
There are other traits that would have to be
examined, and for what purpose? Do we suggest
that users who are obsessed should be booted
from the list? Or that what they tell us should
be discounted as the ravings of a lunatic?

If there are people actually considering
investing with Aussie Guy, these allegations
should be known, so that people can make up their
own minds. Everyone should be aware of how
unreliable information found here and elsewhere on the internet can be.

At 03:21 PM 1/20/2012, Jones Beene wrote:

If anyone is still in doubt that Greg and Aussi
Guy are one and the same, here is a thread from
another forum - that turned up today - where
other posters are calling Greg the worlds
greatest supplier of bullshit, to his face - and
he doesnt blink an eye - PLUS he identifies himself as AussiGuy. Case closed.

5th message down

http://peakoil.com/forums/the-cold-fusion-thread-pt-4-merged-t63982-165.htmlhttp://peakoil.com/forums/the-cold-fusion-thread-pt-4-merged-t63982-165.html

Go for it Keef did you miss this forum?

yeah, yeah - we realize that your obsession
with this mission to bring justice to Oz is
almost clinical but hey, getting scammed and
then getting insulted by the scammer and then
stalked and threatened that will sometimes cause overreaction.

Dont forget to take the meds, however.

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-20 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax


At 03:39 PM 1/20/2012, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:

And if everything's done right the cell's operation produces 
antigravity as well, and can lift the car right off the ground ... 
neat trick, that.  May not be so good when you're trying to get 
traction on snow, OTOH (something we care about a lot up here in Ottawa).


Aw, not a problem. The cooling fan will move the levitating engine 
right along. Be sure to include that in the patent! Stephen, you are 
demonstrating the Old Limited Thinking! You don't need traction if 
you can levitate.


Of course, the Devil is in the details. Nevertheless, if we can 
imagine levitation of a car, we can surely imagine whatever details we like.

RE: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

 (part deux) To wit:

http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/12/new-cold-fusion-success-claim-aussie-guy-says-he-has-fleischmann-pons-experiment-devices-working/

You can connect the dots with AG's recent outburst, prior to the catch which 
was the fumingly silly realization in a post to JR - that the BBB never 
shipped, in the context of the above. 

But it all fits now, if you understand that we are dealing with a sociopathic 
scammer with an ulterior motive. The line:

1) Rossi cannot deliver, since he lied about the customer
2) However, I can deliver, due my recent contacts in Asia (more BS)
3) Here is my PayPal # -  buy shares in my new company now!

All of which ploy was cut short by an inconvenient truth: getting caught by 
an adversary you had thought was going to go away, if you could blow enough hot 
air. 

Hey - one of the great beauties of the internet, no? i.e. busting low level 
scammers before they can get traction? 

Probably another reason why the consumate jerk: Murdoch - wants to restrict 
content with bogus copyrights, so he cannot get caught as easily as he did 
recently with the cell hacking. 

Lock that cazzo up ! 


-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene 

BTW - someone asked earlier how AG/Greg was scheming ... in order to profit 
from contacts on vortex, juxtaposed and combine with the emergence of Andrea 
Rossi onto the public scene, and now the answer is clearing up (GOW's 
strategy). Remember two things - first - he got his big start on vortex, kind 
of luckily and without enormous bad intent, and that made him a ton of cash, 
what? 2-3 million? 

When crooks are successful with any scam, they try to keep the same formula 
going (at least the good detectives say this - you know: Harry Bosch and Joe 
Leaphorn) ...cough, cough ... where was I - OH - well its basically that crime 
is amusingly habitual or non-random to a statistician, and in terms of 
solvability. As for #2, stay tuned but the date of interest is December 26 in 
the archives.

Jones

RE: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-20 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint

Over at the forum at PeakOil.com is a posting by 'SeaGypsy' trying to start
a Class Action suit against Rossi... (see below)
   http://peakoil.com/forums/class-action-vs-rossi-ecat-et-al-t64094-30.html

But he clearly admits as to not having invested or 'lost' anything to Rossi.
I don't know what the laws are in the land of Oz, but in the USofA, if you
can't prove damages, you have no case.  For all we know, 'SeaGypsy' *IS*
Greg, and is trying to scam people by getting them to contribute to a bogus
Class Action suit!

I certainly support Eff Wivakeef's, AKA blinkybill, efforts to pursue Greg
in order to try to recoup his investment, and hopefully stop Greg from
further scams, however, it is clear that he and SeaGypsy know absolutely
*nothing* about LENR/CF and Rossi, and have called it a scam despite their
total ignorance of what has transpired to date.  They probably are not aware
of lenr-canr.org, of the peer-reviewed pubs on it, the high-quality work
done by SRI, SPAWAR, NASA and many, many highly published scientists
throughout the world.  Their anger toward scams is obsessive, and blinding
to what should/should not be ridiculed -- Greg, absolutely should; Rossi,
maybe; CF/LENR absolutely NOT.

-Mark

=
Class Action VS Rossi ECAT et al.

by SeaGypsy  Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:05 am 
Let this be the beginning.

I have not put in one cent, but I bill at $100 an hour. i have spent about
10 hours studying the Rossi mumbo jumbo, so my hat is in for $1000 AUD or US
is acceptable.  Anyone else want to put their claim down here, in advance?

The more the merrier and higher caliber pro-bono lawyer we may retain.

These guys are soo, screwed. Lookout Carl, you are very likely to be on
the prosecution subpoena.
=

RE: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson