Re: [Vo]:LENR through light
In reply to pagnu...@htdconnect.com's message of Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:43:00 -0500 (EST): Hi, Please suggest such an effect. [snip] While the information you suggest acquiring is valuable, I think the important issue is not bulk energy absorption, but how hot hot spots can get - that is, how energy can be super-focused to LENR levels. Collective effects could occur when oppositely charged particles collide in strong localized currents or plasmon e-m fields, and result in surprisingly high energy concentrations. -- Lou Pagnucco Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:LENR through light
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 14 Nov 2013 17:13:23 -0500: Hi, [snip] In a polariton based hot spot, the electrons are part of a dipole where the hole makes the electron a boson. Therefore *unlimited numbers *of electrons can populate a hot spot. You are confusing population of energy states with particle density. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:LENR through light
Robin, I can quickly suggest a couple of examples where e-m field momentum is concentrated - in a very counter-intuitive way. First, look at the references in the recent Vortex thread - [Vo]:Momentum superkicks from monochromatic e-m fields http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg87201.html Second, look at section 21-3 (Two kinds of momentum) of Vol.3 of Feynman's Physics Lectures at URL: http://www.peaceone.net/basic/Feynman/V3%20Ch21.pdf Also, you might want to google superoscillations. One good reference is - Yield--Optimized Superoscillations http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.6572 I hope to revisit this topic next week if time permits. Regards, Lou Pagnucco Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Hi, Please suggest such an effect. [snip] While the information you suggest acquiring is valuable, I think the important issue is not bulk energy absorption, but how hot hot spots can get - that is, how energy can be super-focused to LENR levels. Collective effects could occur when oppositely charged particles collide in strong localized currents or plasmon e-m fields, and result in surprisingly high energy concentrations. -- Lou Pagnucco Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:LENR through light
In electrodynamics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrodynamics, *circular polarization*[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_polarization#cite_note-1of an electromagnetic wave http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_wave is a polarizationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarization_(waves)in which the electric field of the passing wave does not change strength but only changes direction in a rotary manner. Circular polarization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_polarization In electrodynamics the strength and direction of an electric fieldhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_fieldis defined by what is called an electric field vector http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_field_vector. In the case of a circularly polarized wave, as seen in the accompanying animation, the tip of the electric field vectorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_vector, at a given point in space, describes a circle as time progresses. If the wave is frozen in time, the electric field vector of the wave describes a helix along the direction of propagation. Circular polarization is a limiting casehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limiting_caseof the more general condition of elliptical polarization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptical_polarization. The other special case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_case is the easier-to-understand linear polarizationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_polarization . The phenomenon of polarization arises as a consequence of the fact that light http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation behaves as a two-dimensional transverse wavehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transverse_wave#Explanation . The magnetic field vector is pointed in the direction of propagation of the light wave and emanates from a really small center of the circular light wave. - distortion of circular polarization of light waves result in anapole magnetic monopoles, where the magnetic field derives from the light wave comeing from a POINT. *http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/**papers/1204/1204.3564.pdf*http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1204/1204.3564.pdf *Half-solitons in a polariton quantum fluid behave like magnetic monopoles* One kind of spin-phase topological defects already reported in polariton quantum fluids are the so-called half-vortices23,24. Different from integer quantized vortices in scalar fluids where the phase winds from zero to 2p when going around the vortex core25, half vortices present a simultaneous rotation of p of both the phase and the polarisation angle around their core. These objects have been recently predicted to behave like monopoles26, but experiments have so far reported half-vortices pinned to local inhomogeneities of the sample24, preventing any probing of the monopole physics. In this work we report the generation of a different kind of vectorial topological excitation in a flowing polariton condensate, oblique dark half-solitons. They are characterised by a notch in the polariton density of the fluid, and a simultaneous phase and polarisation rotation of p 2 in the condensate wavefunction across the soliton27 (as opposed to a phase jump of p for dark solitons in scalar condensates28). This is manifested in the *circular polarisation basis* as a deep notch present in only one polarisation component. We map the polarisation and phase of these objects evidencing their complex spin structure, and we show that they are indeed accelerated by the action of the intrinsic effective magnetic field present in our microcavities, thus behaving as magnetic monopoles . * Any field that is concentrated into point source has extreme strength.*
Re: [Vo]:LENR through light
Solitary waves have consistently captured the imagination of scientists, ranging from fundamental breakthroughs in spectroscopy and metrology enabled by super continuum light, to gap solitons for dispersionless slow-light, and discrete spatial solitons in lattices, amongst others. Recent progress in strong Field atomic physics include impressive demonstrations of attosecond pulses and high-harmonic generation via photoionization of free-electrons in gases at extreme intensities of *10^^14 W/cm2. * Soliton dynamics in the multiphoton plasma regime http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.5748.pdf On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:20 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:20:35 -0500: Hi, [snip] If the energy of the light wave where compressed into a soliton of 1 nanometer in diameter carrying a power density of 100 terawatts/cm2(highest observed nanoplasmonic hot spot power density) would that not compress the electric field of the light wave localized in the hot spot. I suggest you take another look at the experiment you are quoting, and extract the actual energy in the laser pulse, and the area over which it was spread. That will give you an energy flux. Since you know what the material is, you can make a guess at how many atoms absorbed the energy, and determine very roughly how much each one got. You can also calculate how much each electron would get if the pulse were absorbed by electrons. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:LENR through light
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:16:32 -0500: Hi Axil, I didn't say I was going to do it, I suggested that you do it. :) Solitary waves have consistently captured the imagination of scientists, ranging from fundamental breakthroughs in spectroscopy and metrology enabled by super continuum light, to gap solitons for dispersionless slow-light, and discrete spatial solitons in lattices, amongst others. Recent progress in strong Field atomic physics include impressive demonstrations of attosecond pulses and high-harmonic generation via photoionization of free-electrons in gases at extreme intensities of *10^^14 W/cm2. * Soliton dynamics in the multiphoton plasma regime http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.5748.pdf On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:20 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:20:35 -0500: Hi, [snip] If the energy of the light wave where compressed into a soliton of 1 nanometer in diameter carrying a power density of 100 terawatts/cm2(highest observed nanoplasmonic hot spot power density) would that not compress the electric field of the light wave localized in the hot spot. I suggest you take another look at the experiment you are quoting, and extract the actual energy in the laser pulse, and the area over which it was spread. That will give you an energy flux. Since you know what the material is, you can make a guess at how many atoms absorbed the energy, and determine very roughly how much each one got. You can also calculate how much each electron would get if the pulse were absorbed by electrons. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:LENR through light
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:21:02 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Light intensity at 10^^12 (watts/cm2) produces a strong Electric field at
(10^^9) Volts/meter.
Over a distance of 1 nm (10 Angstrom) this is just 1 Volt.
[...]
This is correct, but it only shows that a localized electron can only
attain 1eV when crossing that gap unobstructed.
For an electron, 1[eV] corresponds to an approximate momentum of
4 * 10^(-25) [N*sec] {'N' = Newton}
However, if an electron is trapped in that field, i.e., the mean position
of its wave function is fixed, for a time T instead of accelerating thru
collision-free, it gains a momentum impulse
= T[sec] * e[C] * 10^9[Volt/meter] {where 'e' = electron charge[Coulomb]}
= T[sec] * (1.6^10^(-19)[C]) * 10^9 [N/C]
= T * 1.6^10^(-10) [N*sec]
So, in the latter case, the electron gains T*(10^14) times more momentum.
('T' measured in seconds.)
Possibly, this happens when the electron collides with a particle of
equal and opposite momentum.
In quantum mechanics, a highly localized or oscillatory wave functions
can posses high momentum (or kinetic energy) even when not moving much.
Also, an electron is a fermion, so it really needs to be represented by
a 4-component spinor in the Dirac equation. It can undergo more
oscillation within the spinor.
-- Lou Pagnucco
Re: [Vo]:LENR through light
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:20:35 -0500: Hi, [snip] If the energy of the light wave where compressed into a soliton of 1 nanometer in diameter carrying a power density of 100 terawatts/cm2(highest observed nanoplasmonic hot spot power density) would that not compress the electric field of the light wave localized in the hot spot. I suggest you take another look at the experiment you are quoting, and extract the actual energy in the laser pulse, and the area over which it was spread. That will give you an energy flux. Since you know what the material is, you can make a guess at how many atoms absorbed the energy, and determine very roughly how much each one got. You can also calculate how much each electron would get if the pulse were absorbed by electrons [...] Robin, While the information you suggest acquiring is valuable, I think the important issue is not bulk energy absorption, but how hot hot spots can get - that is, how energy can be super-focused to LENR levels. Collective effects could occur when oppositely charged particles collide in strong localized currents or plasmon e-m fields, and result in surprisingly high energy concentrations. -- Lou Pagnucco
Re: [Vo]:LENR through light
In a polariton based hot spot, the electrons are part of a dipole where the
hole makes the electron a boson. Therefore *unlimited numbers *of electrons
can populate a hot spot.
The electrons combine with light and lose weight. They can weight as little
as 20 micro electron volts. These low mass polaritons will become entangled
and form a high temperature BEC.
When the Hot spot becomes mobile and forms a polariton bullet, these boson
connected electrons lose their holes and the electrons leave the hotspot
repelled by the coulomb force.. Only light remains and this light based
soliton spin structure may have been observed in many LENR experiments as
monopoles.
As I posted elsewhere, the magnetic field of this monopole comes from a
POINT in the center of a EMF current ring making it extremely concentrated
and very powerful. This energy focusing is what enables energy levels to
reach high enough power levels for nuclear disruption to occur.
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:20 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:21:02 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Light intensity at 10^^12 (watts/cm2) produces a strong Electric field at
(10^^9) Volts/meter.
Over a distance of 1 nm (10 Angstrom) this is just 1 Volt.
[...]
This is correct, but it only shows that a localized electron can only
attain 1eV when crossing that gap unobstructed.
For an electron, 1[eV] corresponds to an approximate momentum of
4 * 10^(-25) [N*sec] {'N' = Newton}
However, if an electron is trapped in that field, i.e., the mean position
of its wave function is fixed, for a time T instead of accelerating thru
collision-free, it gains a momentum impulse
= T[sec] * e[C] * 10^9[Volt/meter] {where 'e' = electron charge[Coulomb]}
= T[sec] * (1.6^10^(-19)[C]) * 10^9 [N/C]
= T * 1.6^10^(-10) [N*sec]
So, in the latter case, the electron gains T*(10^14) times more momentum.
('T' measured in seconds.)
Possibly, this happens when the electron collides with a particle of
equal and opposite momentum.
In quantum mechanics, a highly localized or oscillatory wave functions
can posses high momentum (or kinetic energy) even when not moving much.
Also, an electron is a fermion, so it really needs to be represented by
a 4-component spinor in the Dirac equation. It can undergo more
oscillation within the spinor.
-- Lou Pagnucco
Re: [Vo]:LENR through light
Whoops! - I realize my analysis cannot be correct.
I should have replaced the classical constant force with a linear
potential, which should give a different answer. Needs to be reworked.
-- Lou Pagnucco
pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:21:02 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Light intensity at 10^^12 (watts/cm2) produces a strong Electric field
at
(10^^9) Volts/meter.
Over a distance of 1 nm (10 Angstrom) this is just 1 Volt.
[...]
This is correct, but it only shows that a localized electron can only
attain 1eV when crossing that gap unobstructed.
For an electron, 1[eV] corresponds to an approximate momentum of
4 * 10^(-25) [N*sec] {'N' = Newton}
However, if an electron is trapped in that field, i.e., the mean position
of its wave function is fixed, for a time T instead of accelerating thru
collision-free, it gains a momentum impulse
= T[sec] * e[C] * 10^9[Volt/meter] {where 'e' = electron
charge[Coulomb]}
= T[sec] * (1.6^10^(-19)[C]) * 10^9 [N/C]
= T * 1.6^10^(-10) [N*sec]
So, in the latter case, the electron gains T*(10^14) times more momentum.
('T' measured in seconds.)
Possibly, this happens when the electron collides with a particle of
equal and opposite momentum.
In quantum mechanics, a highly localized or oscillatory wave functions
can posses high momentum (or kinetic energy) even when not moving much.
Also, an electron is a fermion, so it really needs to be represented by
a 4-component spinor in the Dirac equation. It can undergo more
oscillation within the spinor.
-- Lou Pagnucco
[Vo]:LENR through light
How do the intense electric fields arise that are responsible for cooper pair formation of protons in LENR via the Shukla-Eliasson effect? You don’t need electron concentration to produce strong electric fields. Intense Light concentration will also produce a proportionately large electric field. Light intensity at 10^^12 (watts/cm2) produces a strong Electric field at (10^^9) Volts/meter. Reference: See Page 3, chapter 2. - Basic concepts of nonlinear optics on table 1 in http://www.mitr.p.lodz.pl/evu/lectures/Vauthey.pdf Introduction to nonlinear optical spectroscopic techniques for investigating ultrafast processes In conclusion, a soliton of intense super-fluidic and coherent light will form cooper pairs of protons in the close proximity of the light based soliton. The Ni/H reactor may be acting as a polariton laser turned in on itself in a dark mode producing long lived, coherent, and stable Light based solitons in a zero loss mode. Regarding Ed Storms quote: “Many explanations have been proposed that are based on imagined ways energy could accumulate in sufficient amount in the chemical lattice to overcome the Coulomb barrier, either directly or as result of neutron formation. These processes also occasionally involve accumulation of extra electrons between the hydrogen nuclei as another way to hide the barrier. These suggestions ignore the severe limitations a chemical lattice imposes on energy accumulation and electron structure. Some proposed processes even ignore obvious conflicts with what has been observed. Consequently, none have been useful in directing future research or have achieved universal acceptance.” Both huge magnetic and electric fields can be generated using light without the handicap of coulomb repulsion limiting the power levels achievable in these EM fields.
Re: [Vo]:LENR through light
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:21:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] Light intensity at 10^^12 (watts/cm2) produces a strong Electric field at (10^^9) Volts/meter. Over a distance of 1 nm (10 Angstrom) this is just 1 Volt. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:LENR through light
If the energy of the light wave where compressed into a soliton of 1 nanometer in diameter carrying a power density of 100 terawatts/cm2(highest observed nanoplasmonic hot spot power density) would that not compress the electric field of the light wave localized in the hot spot. For example, the magnetic component of the light wave is proportional to the electric component. As has been demonstrated in the DGT reactor, the magnetic field is 1.6t at 20 cms. If this magnetic field is produce by a soliton 1 nanometer in diameter, would not the magnetic field coming out of the soliton be 10 to the 16th power tesla. I would expect that the electric field component of the light wave would be amplified in like proportions. Thought? On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:21:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] Light intensity at 10^^12 (watts/cm2) produces a strong Electric field at (10^^9) Volts/meter. Over a distance of 1 nm (10 Angstrom) this is just 1 Volt. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:LENR through light
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:20:35 -0500: Hi, [snip] If the energy of the light wave where compressed into a soliton of 1 nanometer in diameter carrying a power density of 100 terawatts/cm2(highest observed nanoplasmonic hot spot power density) would that not compress the electric field of the light wave localized in the hot spot. I suggest you take another look at the experiment you are quoting, and extract the actual energy in the laser pulse, and the area over which it was spread. That will give you an energy flux. Since you know what the material is, you can make a guess at how many atoms absorbed the energy, and determine very roughly how much each one got. You can also calculate how much each electron would get if the pulse were absorbed by electrons. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
